Who creates more impact in bitcoin price the Hodlers or Investors?

[kryptqnick]

The op's terminology is confusing to me. If we take into account early adopters that have been hodling for 5+ years without any movement of funds, I think it's safe to say they don't affect the market. But investors, according to the op, are also early adopters but those who sold BTC (at that time I'd say they contributed to declining prices) and then bought it again (contributing to the growth of prices). Both categories clearly miss traders, panic sellers and short-term investors who all, IMO, affect the price much more of a daily basis. If someone like Musk announces investment into Bitcoin, it causes a temporary increase of value, but daily changes soon create a correction, so it's people (or entities) who sell and buy fairly often that create the most impact, I believe.

[Mauser]

I would argue that the HODL investor don't impact the bitcoin that much, it's mostly the other type of investors that influence the price. A real HODL strategy is not selling coins into a bear market, so there is no further downward pressure from them. This is a good thing and helps to retain some form of stability. On the other side when we are in a rally HODL strategy is also not selling. It just means that there are less bitcoins available to be traded. This also means that the other investors who actively trade their coins have a larger impact on the overall price.

[molsewid]

I would argue that the HODL investor don't impact the bitcoin that much, it's mostly the other type of investors that influence the price. A real HODL strategy is not selling coins into a bear market, so there is no further downward pressure from them. This is a good thing and helps to retain some form of stability. On the other side when we are in a rally HODL strategy is also not selling. It just means that there are less bitcoins available to be traded. This also means that the other investors who actively trade their coins have a larger impact on the overall price.

Well for me hodlers and investors both affect the price of bitcoin but when we were going to weight which one really creates more impact are those active investors. But when we will think the factor if the hodlers is a whale then this is where
He/she would going to contribute an impact to the price. They only differ from the time they would going to make an impact to the price but let's expect once a hodlers release its asset this will definitely contribute a bug difference.

[glendall]

I think that what creates a price impact on bitcoin is the holders who want their goals to be achieved (meaning the target of releasing btc at a high price) with the support of new investors who want to own bitcoin, thus creating a new and high price on bitcoin itself
the point between the holder and the investor is that they both control the value of the btc price (in my opinion)

[buwaytress]

I doubt that there is a difference between HODLERS and INVESTORS.

I know "hodlers" and I know investors. The main difference to me? The former actually have sole access to private keys, and have most likely in the past used Bitcoin (to buy or pay for stuff) or continue to do so on occasion. The latter probably only have some form of Bitcoin derivative (a stock or pegged-asset or whatever or an account on some platform that says they have Bitcoin but doesn't give them actual access or control).

Investors probably have more market impact short term. Holders, as users, contribute to long term value.

My couple of satoshis, anyway.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well I think that both Hodlers and traders and investors make the market in BTC, even small investors who are just getting in do their part, it is difficult to say that a Hodler can be an institution, because there are people who have so much money in their hands who do not know what to spend it on, even when they do not have any type of financial education there are people who handle very large amounts, I have seen some credit cards that never in my life had I imagined that they have such amounts, and I think those are the most potential to buy and sell BTC, it already depends on that conglomerate of people who can move the market even a little bit.

[Mamun74]

Investor and holder make the BTC market, i Think small investor or trader beside the part of market. Bitcoin price more dip right now, few week ago bitcoin price was around $46k+ but now it $34k+.Bitcoin price will be increase and recover Again. I hope real holder don't be painc and don't sel their holding coin i think bitcoin price will be more rise in 2022.

[Vaskiy]

Investors and Holders have different purpose and varied approach about the market. Investors were much focused on long term profiting. This means investors were the one to make more impact over the market than holders. Holders in my opinion were the backing people who enjoy growth out of the investors. The investors always push the market. Investors take the profit and reinvest. This keeps them into balance.

Holders have the target infront of them. This way the market won't get disturbed much, because whether it is bearish or bullish the holders won't move the funds. This means the market won't be disturbed by them out of panic.

[freedomgo]

Investors and Holders have different purpose and varied approach about the market. Investors were much focused on long term profiting. This means investors were the one to make more impact over the market than holders. Holders in my opinion were the backing people who enjoy growth out of the investors. The investors always push the market. Investors take the profit and reinvest. This keeps them into balance.

Holders have the target infront of them. This way the market won't get disturbed much, because whether it is bearish or bullish the holders won't move the funds. This means the market won't be disturbed by them out of panic.

I agree on you. Although hodlers are also investors in the first place, but they chose to make less movements in crypto since they are more on long term hodling. While investors on the other hand, they give more impact to the market since they are more on buying and selling coins so they will end up with good amount of profits. But both of them aims for the same target, to make good profits. Its just that one chooses to be in a low risk by simply hodling their coins while investing, buying and selling has certainly higher risks.

[Silberman]

What's the difference? Both set of people are both "hodlers" and investors at the same time. The only small difference is that investors sometimes sell; maybe to re-balance his/her portfolio when he/she ends up being over-exposed with BTC. But you could also say the same with "hodlers", whereas they may sell when they suddenly need extra money.

In summary: no category is better than the other, knowing that not every hodler and not every investor is the same, and it's pretty much a 90-95% overlap.

And even if there was some kind of fundamental difference that allowed us to separate the two, does it matter who has the most influence when it comes to the price of bitcoin? What can we do with that information in the case one of those groups had more influence? At the end of the day it is one of those things that while interesting is not going to change anything even if we knew the answer, so I do not see too much of a point to think about it.

[jostorres]

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
         The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

Holding is hard and many people have sold their coins by the time btc hits all time high. The market is compose now mostly of investors, they can be old ex hodlers that re invest or simple people that are new to bitcoin. investors may compose of popular personalities like Elon Musk which can influence the market too much by their huge wealth and popularity.

This creates a massive buy and self off but at the end of the day, the price still returns and the price still didnt dump that much, thanks to the powerful hands of hodlers. So yeah, hodlers have a bigger impact than the investors. Hope you are fine now, that your question have been finally answered.

[Emitdama]

Holding is hard and many people have sold their coins by the time btc hits all time high. The market is compose now mostly of investors, they can be old ex hodlers that re invest or simple people that are new to bitcoin. investors may compose of popular personalities like Elon Musk which can influence the market too much by their huge wealth and popularity.

Funny enough if we are look at this from both sides we would see that they are both contributing in one way or the other, just that some wants to hold for a long time and others wants to hold it for a short term.

But at the end, they are making impacts right? Without these investors that they have mentioned, the market wouldn’t be as volatile as it is for us to be able to make huge profit from it, it might even get boring and some of us would be bored to death lol. So, we need them to freshen up things a little while. And moreover those of us that are Hodlers wants to make that profit right? that’s it.

[wozzek23]

Wait… Hodler and Investor??? Isn’t these two the same thing? When you say A Hodler, you’re still referring to someone who is an investor, the right way to say this would have been between long term and short term investors or day traders, in which case I would say that the both of them makes impact in the market.

It doesn’t matter whether you’re a long term (Hodler) or a short term (day trader) investor, in one way or the other you’re contributing to the market. We need long term investors would invest in the market and keep it solid, and we also need the day traders to increase the volume of activities in the market.

[_BlackStar]

Wait… Hodler and Investor??? Isn’t these two the same thing? When you say A Hodler, you’re still referring to someone who is an investor, the right way to say this would have been between long term and short term investors or day traders, in which case I would say that the both of them makes impact in the market.

It doesn’t matter whether you’re a long term (Hodler) or a short term (day trader) investor, in one way or the other you’re contributing to the market. We need long term investors would invest in the market and keep it solid, and we also need the day traders to increase the volume of activities in the market.

These two things are different even though they have the same goal. Holders are much stricter about their desires and to stay afloat in any situation that hits the market, while day traders ^{[what you call short term investors]} are only concerned with short term fluctuations to their advantage. Both have different roles in this situation, but have the same meaning in the final achievement.

Fluctuations are caused by supply and demand occurring among the traders in the market. A big impact can be created by the occasional increase in demand that large investors are accustomed to regardless of whether they are long-term holders or simply taking advantage of short-term fluctuations to make a profit. CMIW

[dbc23]

For you to hold you must have invested you can't hold what you don't have in your possession so both category belongs to the same set of people and it takes collective efforts of everyone in the Bitcoin network to influence the price rate. Market price is typically moved by the whales because the have the huge funds to either ass value or depreciate the value of any coin.

[Kelvinid]

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
         The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

If one of them is manipulating the market, then one of them is having a huge influence on the price but there is none, they can be both of the same influence on the market trend. Investors are also Holders, even trading can be also considered as holders(sometimes). They have different market plays, buying, holding... all the time the market price moves, not just because all people are holding nor they are buying but as these people went so active, up and down is most likely what we see.

[yazher]

I think those who invest then promoted their investment through tweeting what they have done and frequently talking about it to the public. In this case, other influencers will also follow their lead and common folks will have no doubt anymore since big names and companies are already involved. This is one of the reasons why we had the spike in the price last year because one after another they announced their investment in bitcoins and some other country are also planning what El Salvador has done.

[traderethereum]

The holders do not impact bitcoin price because they do not even tell the public if they have bitcoin and even if they sell bitcoin, they will do that secretly.
The investors impacted bitcoin, but not all of them do that because some of them hold bitcoin for some time frame.
The news can impact Bitcoin price because when the news is released, it could directly or indirectly impact bitcoin price, depending on how many people are not getting the impact from the news.
The news then some people who become whistleblower can impact in bitcoin price.

[The Cryptovator]

Keep in mind, the holder could dump the market anytime, can't pump. Do you know why? Holder could increase selling pressure, they couldn't increase buying pressure anyway. Though holders help indirectly to keep the market stable. On the other hand, new investors keep a direct role in the Bitcoin price bumps. Whether we know or are unaware of that, buying pressure will increase automatically when investors intend to take entry. We know as much as buy pressure increases, the price would be increasing as well. Yea, both are important for increasing price, because if holders release Bitcoin then it will be hard to pump price even investors take entry.

[tbct_mt2]

The question is not accurate. Hodlers are investors but it seems they are not in the question. I think the question should be edited to "Who creates more impact in Bitcoin between hodlers and traders?"

Traders are not holders or holders. They are not investors. Unacceptable fact for traders, there are more successful investors then successful traders. Bitcoin hodlers are most successful entities on the market, they are more likely whales so that they will have more impactful power on the market as well.