Crypto stuck in sports betting site, now they want KYC

[YOSHIE]

Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.

regardless, whatever your problem is, for sure you have to show the name of the gambling site and their team, there are hundreds of gambling sites here that don't have KYC and do KYC, this is the same as guessing in a sack, what's in it, illegal goods or legal goods, obviously your problem can't be solved professionally.

You want to find a solution to your problem or want to do something, you should try to think professionally, Honestly, it's the first time I've seen people with gambling problems who don't want to mention the sites they play on, usually they nag and display the site openly, how someone drives a car without fuel, of course the car stays still and can't move.

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[carlfebz2]

If they asked for it, do it.
If there are other things they asked, do it.
If there are other more things they asked more, do it.

That is if you only want to get that $1200 on your account.

Now if you don't want to undergo those hassle requirements, forget that site and move on.

The casino will know that he already used a fake telephone number to get the first verification.
Not to mention if he wants to use his friend's identity and if the casino finds out, his account will most likely be blocked, and he can't make any withdrawals at all. It seemed like this was a dilemma for him, and it wasn't easy to find a solution. But in any case, he could try to verify his account with the original documents.

Main issue here that if the casino would let him on doing so on giving out his original documents with having a complete different name? For sure they wouldnt grant it and they would really likely to stick with their terms

which means that you dont have any choice but to deal and accept on whatever decision that they would give out since you had violate the terms since from the start.
You are fully aware with your actions and the risks that  you are dealing with on the time that you had done it on the first place.

[Reatim]

If they asked for it, do it.
If there are other things they asked, do it.
If there are other more things they asked more, do it.

That is if you only want to get that $1200 on your account.

Now if you don't want to undergo those hassle requirements, forget that site and move on.

The casino will know that he already used a fake telephone number to get the first verification.
Not to mention if he wants to use his friend's identity and if the casino finds out, his account will most likely be blocked, and he can't make any withdrawals at all. It seemed like this was a dilemma for him, and it wasn't easy to find a solution. But in any case, he could try to verify his account with the original documents.

But he has no option to take but this friends help. because even if he contact the support and admit that he uses VPN then what do you think the answer of the team? of course he will be banned or blocked also.
so either what he needs to do? there is still the risk because of the idea that His country is not supported by that site and this is why he is in problem now.

but what about the claim? does OP updated what he will decide ? is it the Help from friends or be honest in support.

[aioc]

If someone in a non-restricted country fills out KYC (your mule) and is confronted with evidence of logging from a restricted country, they simply say "I was travelling and logged in at a friend's house".

If they say "you are using a different device", the mule says "I got another phone" or something reasonable.

Just have your story ready. But be prepared for the mule to take all your funds, or demand more than you initially bargain for. In which case, you could consider asking for collateral, though the mule might then think they are being scammed.

Just use common sense, plan and rehearse.

Ha, didn't know the other person is called a "mule." But yes, I was thinking about this. Technically I can come up with some clever rebuttal I can feed to my mule counter to all their accusations and there is no way for them to disprove it. But in the end I think they will simply give me some BS automated reply saying I broke ToS.

Also, can't I simply get KYC docs from my mule and submit them myself? My mule would not even need access to the account. But the mule must have trust in me to be dealing with their personal info, and a promise to receive payment.

Anyway, it all seems like too much of a hassle and the odds seemed stacked against me. Learned my lesson here.

I hate to be victim-blaming with this kind of case, you just want to play but now you have $1500 and are confronted with the KYC, that $1500 is almost lost because of the violation of their TOS, casinos records everything time, IP address devices used there's a possibility that your mule's device and location will betray you, they know cheaters and how they worked that is why they have a strong warning they just don't put the warning in the TOS and hoping that their players will just follow.

[joeperry]

You simply created your own problem since from the start.

1. Creating account even though you know it is restricted.
2. Using VPN and not unsure if it is allowed.
3. Trying to cheat using fake phone number.

They will ask KYC since they see that there is something wrong in your behavior and they would like to double check whether you are a user who can really use their website without any problem and yes for sure they will lock and confiscate your account because you really broke their ToS since from the start so don't be surprised from it. Not because you use their website for few months without problem that doesn't mean you can get away from it, consider the number of their players and they don't have time to check each and everyone of the players that is why they are based it in user's behavior.

It wouldn't guarantee that you will get it, you should consider that whatever you deposit to the website have a 50% chance that it will be lost/confiscated after the time you violated the ToS which is by signing up.

[rhomelmabini]

Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.

I think it's not worth it even if you do the KYC they'll still ignore your request at all considering you're from USA and their T&C wasn't allow such citizen. It's a worthless initiative I guess even if you pass a KYC. If somehow you can ask some friends that doesn't care on their privacy and information as well then I guess you'll still be in luck. That amount may not be huge for a US citizen I guess, it's your call if you want to do the necessary things.

If that happened in my case, I will comply with the KYC since I'm not really concerned about these identity-related issues if the involved site is somehow reputable. But since OP stated that even complying with KYC won't clear this mess, then it will change my view that why should I still submit if there will be no good outcome later on.

That being said, OP should now try everything if the eagerness to get the amount is really important. While at the same time, OP should now slowly accepts that the issue might not be resolved.

OP shouldn't have to comply unless it can be resolved by another entity in regards to the KYC procedure. It will just be a wasted effort if OP pass it even at the end it will be rejected, that's totally a suicide move on his/her part. I think the amount wasn't that huge on his/her side considering a US citizen that enjoying the hobby of gambling.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.

Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.

To be frank with you, I think you should do it, I mean, this is exactly what I would have done if I were to be in your shoes right now, the $1,200 is definitely worth it, except you have a lot of money and $1,200 is like a chicken change to you, then you should think otherwise.
For me, you have two options, and are -
1. Like youve said, hire a trusted friend or person from one of the supported countries to perform the kyc on your behalf, I believe that as long as the hired person have all the required documents and follows the kyc process thoroughly, it would be accepted and tour account will be unlocked, all you have to do is agree to pay him handsomely for the troubles.

2. Secondly option is to sell the account, yes, you can choose to sell the account to someone who lives in one of the supported countries, then, it's up to the buyer to perform the kyc, get the account unlocked and all the money in the account becomes he's or her's.
But I guess is that selling the account might appear more difficult as it is not easy to trust people this days, and this case  the trust is coming both ways, you have to trust the buyer to make payment for the account, and the buyer in the other hand have to trust that you aren't trying to scam him or her through selling an account that might never be unlocked.

[AicecreaME]

I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access. They only require an email address to create an account, and no KYC unless you want to buy crypto directly from them. I will not name the site for various reasons.

Anyways, sometimes I try to login to the site before setting my VPN and it simply tells me I'm in a restricted area. Never had any issues though, I just flip on the VPN and all good. I've been using this site for about 2 months now. Today I logged in and and it was requesting I input my phone number to proceed. It said I can withdraw funds but services were restricted until I enter my phone number. So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong  is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.

I have about $1,200 of BTC in there, nothing crazy. If I KYC myself they will simply say I broke their TOS and lock me out forever (I did the research on this already). KYC consists of ID, recent bills, and photo of yourself holding ID. The only piece of information this site has on me is an email address.

I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.

Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.

Honestly, I really don't think your plan would work, but you could give it a try. The reason why I believe it would no longer work is because most probably their system already detected your original IP address and making someone do the KYC for you would really appear suspicious because they already pinpoint your location. I think your plan would just be futile and would even end up harming you in the process because violation of their terms and conditions means they would give a punishment depending on severity. Back then I even encountered being completely banned and my funds in that account wasn't able to be retrieved because they forfeit me from doing so. But it's still up to you on whether you will risk it or not.

If ever you decide to do it, ask your friends' friend to do you a favor in a polite manner and maybe give them some sort of token for trying. If they will succeed, then give them a reward. If not, then give them a token of appreciation. I just hope that your account won't be restricted because $1,200 worth of bitcoin is a good amount already. It's such a waste if it'll just be stuck with your unused account.

[Cling18]

If someone in a non-restricted country fills out KYC (your mule) and is confronted with evidence of logging from a restricted country, they simply say "I was travelling and logged in at a friend's house".

If they say "you are using a different device", the mule says "I got another phone" or something reasonable.

Just have your story ready. But be prepared for the mule to take all your funds, or demand more than you initially bargain for. In which case, you could consider asking for collateral, though the mule might then think they are being scammed.

Just use common sense, plan and rehearse.

Ha, didn't know the other person is called a "mule." But yes, I was thinking about this. Technically I can come up with some clever rebuttal I can feed to my mule counter to all their accusations and there is no way for them to disprove it. But in the end I think they will simply give me some BS automated reply saying I broke ToS.

Also, can't I simply get KYC docs from my mule and submit them myself? My mule would not even need access to the account. But the mule must have trust in me to be dealing with their personal info, and a promise to receive payment.

Anyway, it all seems like too much of a hassle and the odds seemed stacked against me. Learned my lesson here.

I hate to be victim-blaming with this kind of case, you just want to play but now you have $1500 and are confronted with the KYC, that $1500 is almost lost because of the violation of their TOS, casinos records everything time, IP address devices used there's a possibility that your mule's device and location will betray you, they know cheaters and how they worked that is why they have a strong warning they just don't put the warning in the TOS and hoping that their players will just follow.

Sometimes, we tend to break the TOS just to enjoy gambling despite the restrictions but as we take the risk, we should also keep in mind that our funds aren't in a safe place. 1500 is still a huge amount but to be honest, it would be hard for you to recover it. VPNs aren't that safe these days.

[Jemzx00]

I hate to be victim-blaming with this kind of case, you just want to play but now you have $1500 and are confronted with the KYC, that $1500 is almost lost because of the violation of their TOS, casinos records everything time, IP address devices used there's a possibility that your mule's device and location will betray you, they know cheaters and how they worked that is why they have a strong warning they just don't put the warning in the TOS and hoping that their players will just follow.

Sometimes, we tend to break the TOS just to enjoy gambling despite the restrictions but as we take the risk, we should also keep in mind that our funds aren't in a safe place. 1500 is still a huge amount but to be honest, it would be hard for you to recover it. VPNs aren't that safe these days.

That's the thing, why would you need to break the TOS of the gambling platform especially that your money is involved. Maybe because of the thrill of not getting caught or probably that they also think that the gambling website isn't really strict with their rules. Even the OP said that he tried to access the website without using the VPN.
I suggest try other gambling platforms that is available for your country to avoid this kind of issue.

[Mahanton]

I hate to be victim-blaming with this kind of case, you just want to play but now you have $1500 and are confronted with the KYC, that $1500 is almost lost because of the violation of their TOS, casinos records everything time, IP address devices used there's a possibility that your mule's device and location will betray you, they know cheaters and how they worked that is why they have a strong warning they just don't put the warning in the TOS and hoping that their players will just follow.

Sometimes, we tend to break the TOS just to enjoy gambling despite the restrictions but as we take the risk, we should also keep in mind that our funds aren't in a safe place. 1500 is still a huge amount but to be honest, it would be hard for you to recover it. VPNs aren't that safe these days.

That's the thing, why would you need to break the TOS of the gambling platform especially that your money is involved. Maybe because of the thrill of not getting caught or probably that they also think that the gambling website isn't really strict with their rules. Even the OP said that he tried to access the website without using the VPN.
I suggest try other gambling platforms that is available for your country to avoid this kind of issue.

There are people who are really that stubborn when it comes to something on which even if they do know that it is prohibited or been restricted they would be always trying to push on even though its risky and on the time
they get caught then this is the time they do accuse out on sites that it is shady or they've been locked up as to know that they are the ones who did violate sites terms and conditions which it is normal for them
to make out such decision since its been always the rule.If you do violates then expect on what would be the consequences ahead and i dont think that you have the rights to make out some complaints.

[AmoreJaz]

I hate to be victim-blaming with this kind of case, you just want to play but now you have $1500 and are confronted with the KYC, that $1500 is almost lost because of the violation of their TOS, casinos records everything time, IP address devices used there's a possibility that your mule's device and location will betray you, they know cheaters and how they worked that is why they have a strong warning they just don't put the warning in the TOS and hoping that their players will just follow.

Sometimes, we tend to break the TOS just to enjoy gambling despite the restrictions but as we take the risk, we should also keep in mind that our funds aren't in a safe place. 1500 is still a huge amount but to be honest, it would be hard for you to recover it. VPNs aren't that safe these days.

That's the thing, why would you need to break the TOS of the gambling platform especially that your money is involved. Maybe because of the thrill of not getting caught or probably that they also think that the gambling website isn't really strict with their rules. Even the OP said that he tried to access the website without using the VPN.
I suggest try other gambling platforms that is available for your country to avoid this kind of issue.

There are people who are really that stubborn when it comes to something on which even if they do know that it is prohibited or been restricted they would be always trying to push on even though its risky and on the time
they get caught then this is the time they do accuse out on sites that it is shady or they've been locked up as to know that they are the ones who did violate sites terms and conditions which it is normal for them
to make out such decision since its been always the rule.If you do violates then expect on what would be the consequences ahead and i dont think that you have the rights to make out some complaints.

wonder what the OP finally decided to do on his case. the amount is not very big but for others, it will already make a difference with their living. either way, asking a friend or coming clean to the site, he should not expect a very good outcome as in the first place, he has fault of using VPN even if he's in the banned country list.
so hopefully the OP will give us an update to how things go on this situation...

[qory]

It is not surprising that a KYC is requested. The problems often start when you have built up a significant amount of money in your account. I personally think that sites should always do a KYC, and not just when they have to pay out or win big. This is often hidden somewhere in the general terms and conditions, so I think you have few grounds of law. Hopefully they fix it.

[South Park]

I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access. They only require an email address to create an account, and no KYC unless you want to buy crypto directly from them. I will not name the site for various reasons.

Anyways, sometimes I try to login to the site before setting my VPN and it simply tells me I'm in a restricted area. Never had any issues though, I just flip on the VPN and all good. I've been using this site for about 2 months now. Today I logged in and and it was requesting I input my phone number to proceed. It said I can withdraw funds but services were restricted until I enter my phone number. So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong  is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.

I have about $1,200 of BTC in there, nothing crazy. If I KYC myself they will simply say I broke their TOS and lock me out forever (I did the research on this already). KYC consists of ID, recent bills, and photo of yourself holding ID. The only piece of information this site has on me is an email address.

I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.

Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.

You have broken the TOS of that site so many times that you are probably not going to get your account unlocked no mater what you do, you registered on the website knowing you were not allowed to, you used a VPN to avoid this, and when you were asked for phone verification you gave the phone of someone else from a jurisdiction that is also banned, and now you want to even give away personal information that is not even yours, no offense but I have never been a case such as this in which the player has tried to deceive the casino so many times despite being caught.

[sunsilk]

Sometimes, we tend to break the TOS just to enjoy gambling despite the restrictions but as we take the risk, we should also keep in mind that our funds aren't in a safe place. 1500 is still a huge amount but to be honest, it would be hard for you to recover it. VPNs aren't that safe these days.

Sometimes gamblers don't really think about the TOS when everyone is about to enjoy.

Everyone is having that thought that it's totally okay to break what's against the casino rules because they've ignored it and thinking that everything is going to be fine.

If it's a big amount that you'll deposit, much better to be aware of the rules like that simple usage of VPN. It's better to ask the representative before using it.

[Lanatsa]

It is not surprising that a KYC is requested. The problems often start when you have built up a significant amount of money in your account. I personally think that sites should always do a KYC, and not just when they have to pay out or win big. This is often hidden somewhere in the general terms and conditions, so I think you have few grounds of law. Hopefully they fix it.

Its situational actually because there are betting sites which doesn't really have any problems whenever you do withdraw big amounts which as long you don't do something then you wouldn't really

ask out for some verification but if they do see something shady then its understandable that they would really be ending up with these procedures.

Sounds sucks? Yes it is but if you have done nothing then I don't think that there's something you should be worried about.

[Rengga Jati]

I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access.

Many gambling platforms restrict the citizens from the US because of several factors and reasons and mostly related to the laws of the country itself. ANd using VPN is actually not a good thing, although this may be one of the solutions, there is also a risk on it. And if you are using a VPN< ensure that it is a paid VPN, because if that is a free VPN, it may be riskier again.

I have about $1,200 of BTC in there, nothing crazy. If I KYC myself they will simply say I broke their TOS and lock me out forever (I did the research on this already). KYC consists of ID, recent bills, and photo of yourself holding ID. The only piece of information this site has on me is an email address.

I don't know what site it is. But afaik, every gambling platform has certain T&C or TOS, in which there is also some information about doing KYCor, not at the certain evel. COmmonly it will also relate to eh amount that we have and also the amount for withdrawal from the gambling platform.
Maybe there is no information about doing KYC at the beginning of the registration or in the email sent. But, have you checked on their T&C related to the withdrawal process, KYC, and also other account verification?
It is something that is very common that some gambling platforms need ID verification, moreover if they restrict some countries to play in their platform.

But, it has been ongoing, hopefully, you get the best soluton. If that is still stuck, hopefully it will be done as soon as possible.
Use this experience as the worthy lesson to be more careful in understanding the T&C before using a certain platform. Good luck

[rijaljun]

As long as the site isn't going to make any problems with a payout, it's just a matter of patience. Some sites are required by licensing rules to put all players through a KYC. It is only a pity that this is only mentioned very late, when a player starts to win. I have no idea which site it is about, but serious sites will always pay and also complete the KYC procedure as quickly as possible. After all, customer satisfaction should be a priority.

[chaser15]

OP shouldn't have to comply unless it can be resolved by another entity in regards to the KYC procedure. It will just be a wasted effort if OP pass it even at the end it will be rejected, that's totally a suicide move on his/her part. I think the amount wasn't that huge on his/her side considering a US citizen that enjoying the hobby of gambling.

But it seems OP still wants to comply with it, regardless of what will happen. Safe to assume OP still want that amount to be withdrawn whether it's huge or not in his own view.

To be clear, not all US citizens are considering that amount as small. They are not what you think that doesn't hurt to lose that kind of amount.

Any update from OP for us not to have any more speculations on what he should do?

[Smartprofit]

I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access. They only require an email address to create an account, and no KYC unless you want to buy crypto directly from them. I will not name the site for various reasons.

Anyways, sometimes I try to login to the site before setting my VPN and it simply tells me I'm in a restricted area. Never had any issues though, I just flip on the VPN and all good. I've been using this site for about 2 months now. Today I logged in and and it was requesting I input my phone number to proceed. It said I can withdraw funds but services were restricted until I enter my phone number. So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong  is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.

I have about $1,200 of BTC in there, nothing crazy. If I KYC myself they will simply say I broke their TOS and lock me out forever (I did the research on this already). KYC consists of ID, recent bills, and photo of yourself holding ID. The only piece of information this site has on me is an email address.

I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.

Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.

In my opinion, $1200 is quite a lot of money.  Also, it is bitcoin (a deflationary cryptocurrency).  Its price may rise over time. 

Ownership of property (including cryptocurrency) is a natural human right.  This natural right cannot be limited by any laws.  Moreover, this right cannot be limited by the rules of the casino.  Yes, I know, global trends in KYC, AML, etc., but this is essentially a violation of basic human rights principles.  In my opinion, this 1200 dollars is your money (your property) and you have the right to protect your property right by any means available. 

I don't know if doing KYC with the help of your friend will help in your situation.  You can probably try.  In the worst case, you will lose your $1200.  But you have already lost them.