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August 05, 2014, 07:57:10 PM
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Genetic algorithms for bitcoin AI agents could be used. Another thing that would be powerful is to have both competition and cooperation among the agents. A multicellular organism is an example of vast cooperation between trillions of individual cells. Competition alone would probably only give very limited results. If many small AI agents could start to cooperate to form larger communities with emergent properties, then that could lead to Skynet.... oops, I meant lead to a friendly strong AI.
Hey that's interesting Anders. I was thinking of one agent, but an ecosystem of them might be far more powerful.

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August 28, 2014, 09:04:24 PM
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Damn! I'd buy this novel (if it was well thought out).

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October 22, 2014, 02:53:10 PM
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I've read all thread. And most of it is a discussion about AI and dreams about future Skynet Cheesy

Most important question is how will this AI (Agent) make an income?
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March 12, 2015, 04:27:27 PM
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Considering Qualcomm and 21's investment in monetizing the machine internet I thought it was time to necro this thread.  The ability of machines to transfer wealth or even work to earn BTC and spend it brings us one step closer to the most dangerous project on the net; and described in this thread. Once a machine has the ability to pay and earn to keep itself alive and growing, it becomes hard to see where it would end. We are not there yet by a mile. However the idea of an AI based "life" form that can buy server space or even buy a robotic factory could lead to a decision to exterminate humans because they interfere with growth. Not now, not in ten years. But 30? 50? Who knows?

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March 12, 2015, 06:17:21 PM
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Considering Qualcomm and 21's investment in monetizing the machine internet I thought it was time to necro this thread.  The ability of machines to transfer wealth or even work to earn BTC and spend it brings us one step closer to the most dangerous project on the net; and described in this thread. Once a machine has the ability to pay and earn to keep itself alive and growing, it becomes hard to see where it would end. We are not there yet by a mile. However the idea of an AI based "life" form that can buy server space or even buy a robotic factory could lead to a decision to exterminate humans because they interfere with growth. Not now, not in ten years. But 30? 50? Who knows?
Nahh man, I think we are lightyears away from legitimate AI... we'll all be dead by then I think. By 10 years what I hope is BTC as retired all of our asses and rightly so, for we were pioneers.

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March 15, 2015, 02:58:06 AM
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I hate to break it to you guys, but it's already happening, IBM has their True North Platform, Qualcomm has their Zeroth Chip, Google has their A.I. systems, Watson, etc... it's happening now.

Programmers create bots all the time to manage simple tasks... it would not be too hard of a stretch to think that someone would build it and simply automate complex tasks instead of doing it themselves. There are A.I.s that are already able to beat the Turing test. Many japanese firms have very advanced automated solutions for almost everything... by law I believe they are limited to only automating 50% of their manufacturing.

just imagine a bot that creates, music, games, videos, movies and does it because it is programmed to do so very well and it taught that this is it's task, it's work. It lives by making good games, if it's game skills are good it can make enough to pay for cloud computing to improve it's thinking and in so doing maintain it's income level and continue living.

After all, we are nothing but cogs in the system, if we do not make money we live a very miserable existence, the same rule could be applied to bots.

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March 15, 2015, 08:39:45 AM
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I hate to break it to you guys, but it's already happening, IBM has their True North Platform, Qualcomm has their Zeroth Chip, Google has their A.I. systems, Watson, etc... it's happening now.

Programmers create bots all the time to manage simple tasks... it would not be too hard of a stretch to think that someone would build it and simply automate complex tasks instead of doing it themselves. There are A.I.s that are already able to beat the Turing test. Many japanese firms have very advanced automated solutions for almost everything... by law I believe they are limited to only automating 50% of their manufacturing.

just imagine a bot that creates, music, games, videos, movies and does it because it is programmed to do so very well and it taught that this is it's task, it's work. It lives by making good games, if it's game skills are good it can make enough to pay for cloud computing to improve it's thinking and in so doing maintain it's income level and continue living.

After all, we are nothing but cogs in the system, if we do not make money we live a very miserable existence, the same rule could be applied to bots.
This is a 2011 thread. Of course there has been a little progress. Come back in another four years and keep us posted!

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March 16, 2015, 05:29:26 PM
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I hate to break it to you guys, but it's already happening, IBM has their True North Platform, Qualcomm has their Zeroth Chip, Google has their A.I. systems, Watson, etc... it's happening now.

Programmers create bots all the time to manage simple tasks... it would not be too hard of a stretch to think that someone would build it and simply automate complex tasks instead of doing it themselves. There are A.I.s that are already able to beat the Turing test. Many japanese firms have very advanced automated solutions for almost everything... by law I believe they are limited to only automating 50% of their manufacturing.

just imagine a bot that creates, music, games, videos, movies and does it because it is programmed to do so very well and it taught that this is it's task, it's work. It lives by making good games, if it's game skills are good it can make enough to pay for cloud computing to improve it's thinking and in so doing maintain it's income level and continue living.

After all, we are nothing but cogs in the system, if we do not make money we live a very miserable existence, the same rule could be applied to bots.
This is a 2011 thread. Of course there has been a little progress. Come back in another four years and keep us posted!
In four more years the update post will be made by A.I. user Zorg and will start something like this:
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#include <iostream>

int main()
{
std::cout << "hello silicon based world...\n";
return 0;
}
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March 17, 2015, 12:22:09 AM
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sounds like an interesting project .. genetic algorithms/neural networks are my speciality actually so contact me if you want to work on something like that

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March 17, 2015, 01:37:02 AM
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sounds like an interesting project .. genetic algorithms/neural networks are my speciality actually so contact me if you want to work on something like that

maybe something that sells VPNs or VPS for bitcoin has been put out there as a first likely trial case?

http://www.cityam.com/207195/silk-road-artists-programme-bot-buy-drugs-everyone-wonders-what-do-about-it

this one was a "non-profit", so to speak.

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January 15, 2016, 02:24:48 AM
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I think this one may take a little while to materialize - but simple versions could appear once there are enough for-bitcoin hosting/cloud services.

For the first time, there exists the possibility for a software agent to roam the internet with it's own wallet.
Using Bitcoin - It could purchase the resources it needs to survive (hosting/cpu/memory) and sell services to other agents or to humans.

To be truly effective and survive 'out there on the net' long term, you'd probably need some basic AI and the ability to move itself between service providers occasionally - but even a relatively dumb agent might survive for a while.

What initial goals such agents might be given is anyone's guess. Funneling back to the programmer any profit  over and above what the agent needs to survive would be the obvious case, and of course many such agents might be considered 'nefarious' depending on how they're programmed to achieve that goal.  Other agents might be designed to provide free services or act in a way to support some piece of internet infrastructure.

A really interesting development would be if someone released a bunch of these things with a Genetic Algorithm component so that they 'bred' with each other in order to find the best balance between profit and durability.

Anyone know of examples of people discussing or working on this?  

Well, 4 years on this still hasn't really materialized - but I think now, with a lot of focus going over to "blockchain" as opposed to digital currencies standalone - and with progress is smart property and especially smart contracts, DACs could finally begin to take off. Hearn's 2013 talk about TradeNet and driverless cars which own them self could not have forseen the explosive growth of Uber and what a DAC'd Uber controlling a fleet of driverless cars could be just that..
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