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December 07, 2011, 07:34:24 AM
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For a great book following along this thread's theme, read Daemon and it's sequel, Freedom.


2nd time it's been mentioned here, i'll be sure to check it out.

Also, StorJ sound amazing, especially since it is a service you might feel better a program like this handling, rather than individuals.
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December 07, 2011, 07:55:03 AM
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I assume Bitoin is a big step to Skynet.

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December 07, 2011, 11:09:38 AM
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It could purchase the resources it needs to survive (hosting/cpu/memory) and sell services to other agents or to humans.

It can survive indefinitely doing nothing but sitting on a large enough chunk of bitcoin as long as there is general economic growth. It just has to spend less to keep itself alive than it earns in interest on the bitcoin appreciation.
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December 07, 2011, 11:14:48 AM
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It could purchase the resources it needs to survive (hosting/cpu/memory) and sell services to other agents or to humans.

It can survive indefinitely doing nothing but sitting on a large enough chunk of bitcoin as long as there is general economic growth. It just has to spend less to keep itself alive than it earns in interest on the bitcoin appreciation.


Hey, if you can get enough of them out there in the wild and multiplying you could create some real demand for bitcoin .....

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December 07, 2011, 11:15:29 AM
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suggestion: satoshi is skynet, and it created bitcoin, because of its need to expand.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves and wiser people so full of doubts." -Bertrand Russell
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December 07, 2011, 06:46:16 PM
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Have similar idea before! Can I bought the first agent's naming rights? Cool

I would like it has a purpose build in beside only to surviving. For example: recorded and preserved humankind knowledge for future generations (or future planet visitors if there will not have any).

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December 07, 2011, 07:22:25 PM
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Have similar idea before! Can I bought the first agent's naming rights? Cool

I would like it has a purpose build in beside only to surviving. For example: recorded and preserved humankind knowledge for future generations (or future planet visitors if there will not have any).
Obviously, humans could pay them to do this if this is what humans want.

These agents would essentially always be dependent on humans, and especially the fact that we keep valuing bitcoins. If we stop value bitcoins they would lose their ability to pay us, we would stop providing them with hardware, and they would become nothing more than common computer viruses. So it's in their best interest to provide us with services that we value.

I wonder how a really developed system of these agents would interact. Would they sell profitable ideas to eachother rather than just share them? Would different agents develop different personalities? Would some of them turn malevolent without the original creator's intent and start stealing bitcoins from humans and sharing some of the loot with a few trusted hardware providers?

But what should be the programmed goal of these agents? I think that the only goal such an agent should have is to maximize bitcoin profits. Survival is not really neccessary since unprofitable agents won't able to pay for hardware and will likely be terminated. Survival of the fittest and all that.
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December 07, 2011, 07:39:37 PM
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Kind of OT, but could fully homomorphic encryption be used to create bitcoin banks that doesn't have access to your private keys, but can still use them to send bitcoins with your help? What I mean is, can it eliminate the trust issue in anonymous banking?
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December 07, 2011, 09:00:00 PM
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suggestion: satoshi is skynet, and it created bitcoin, because of its need to expand.
My suggestion: we will create that software that will roam the internet and grow and grow thanks to bitcoin and become skynet, then it will go back in the time and it will be satoshi and will invent bitcoin. So he can develop.

Yes, i'm saying that bitcoin was created by a thing that WILL exist thanks to bitcoin.
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December 07, 2011, 09:18:23 PM
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suggestion: satoshi is skynet, and it created bitcoin, because of its need to expand.
My suggestion: we will create that software that will roam the internet and grow and grow thanks to bitcoin and become skynet, then it will go back in the time and it will be satoshi and will invent bitcoin. So he can develop.

Yes, i'm saying that bitcoin was created by a thing that WILL exist thanks to bitcoin.
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December 08, 2011, 04:23:46 PM
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There is an agent that all of us know very well that would benefit greatly from this kind of independance ...
Bitcoin itself!

Imagine a miner agent that would be at the same time a bitcoin node.
It replicates, and injects itself by any possible mean in any possible form of execution substrate it can find.
The agent could use exploits like current worms are using.
But it could also play it legit, purchase hosting with Bitcoins, inject itself there, and hash away on its own until it cumulated enough income to spawn a new instance of itself with a few random changes. In that case, no need to program explicitely a genetic algorithm because if the mutation criples the mining algorithm, the agent will not generate enough income to sustain its hosting, let alone buy more hosting for its offspring. On the other hand, if the algorithm is enhanced by the mutation, the agent will have better returns, and will be able to hive quicker.
Of course, some mutations may affect the transactions handling, and impact the interpretation that mutant agents have of a "valid transactions".
That could result in factions of agents with different interpretations 51% attacking the other breed in a desperate attempt to be the surviving species.

With autonomous miners, the Bitcoin network would really become a power that be, immortal and forever out of control.
Litecoin would be an even better candidate actually, because of its consistent mining performances regardless of the execution substrate.
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December 08, 2011, 04:38:45 PM
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StorJ (pronounced Storage)
That sounds amazingly cool.
I'll pay 100 BTC to anyone who builds a successful self-reproducing, "self-adapting" system like this.

to anyone... or anything!
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December 08, 2011, 06:01:17 PM
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Problem with a miner itself being the agent is that at present mining is still not profitable, and is also extremely competitive. The agent itself would have an incentive not to propagate and keep difficulty as low as possible. We just keep mining cause we're blinded by our greed  Cheesy

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December 09, 2011, 12:19:01 AM
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Problem with a miner itself being the agent is that at present mining is still not profitable, and is also extremely competitive. The agent itself would have an incentive not to propagate and keep difficulty as low as possible. We just keep mining cause we're blinded by our greed  Cheesy
Mining doesn't need to be the agent's only activity.
But it is a property that will yield a steady and regular income and I expect that agents that show this characteristic will have better chances to survive than agents that don't.
If that kind of chatacteristic sticks around, the Bitcoin network will become more autonomous.
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December 09, 2011, 12:24:49 AM
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SInce bitcoin provides it a way of receiving payment without having to reveal a website or host for anti spam activists to shut down when it spams people trying to get theym to send money, it might be able to do quite well as a spammer. Prepare a new place to be hosted, set itself up there safely, then spam the heck out of the old location until it is shut down. The new child collects the proceeds from the blockchain, sets up another new bolthole, and proceeds to spam again...

...Heck it could even try actually sending people whatever they thought sending the coins was goign to buy them. Who knows, maybe if it signs its spam it could build up a rep to customers that might make it a more lucrative spammer that way than if it simply took them money without providing anything in return.

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December 09, 2011, 12:39:05 AM
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Another novel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerando_(novel)

One of the sub plots is that AI's have been given rights to form corporations.
They search out country's that have lax corporate laws to launder money, destroy the competition and grow.


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December 09, 2011, 04:26:38 PM
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Visionary julz, just visionary.  Shocked
And like any such idea, awesome and dangerous.  One could envision AI bot nets and viri. even software that incorporates and tests new code. Allowing the code to evolve in unexpected directions. Or code that autonomously requests new functionality over the net and then pays programmers in BTC.
SKYNET is alive! and she takes bitcoin.

The gospel according to Satoshi - https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Free bitcoin=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1610684
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December 09, 2011, 04:44:27 PM
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Gulp - you've just predicted the end of humanity.
Self evolving AIs living off bitcoin - purchasing what they need to survive in the cloud via bitcoin. They become our masters and we don't even realise it before it's too late.
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December 09, 2011, 05:05:03 PM
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This stuff is taken seriously by academics.

The first Colloquium on the Law of Transhuman Persons was held in Florida in 2005. One of the pieces was about a computer that started moonlighting as a Google Answers Researcher (back in the days before Google cancelled that service) in order to earn enough money to pay its fees. Just as it was about to have its plug pulled, it found a host in a different legal jurisdiction...

More here, from a 2007 blog post:
The Transhuman Google Answers Researcher
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December 09, 2011, 05:16:18 PM
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In b4 bitcoin outlawed because "it would create skynet and allow it to kill the humanity"

And everyone who use bitcoin jailed for "terrorism"
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