CrazyTime and Monopoly, should we trust?

[timerland]

Based from the poll, gamblers here are not trusting this kind of live games. And yet, many gamblers are playing this game. So if you don't trust this game, why are you playing?   So yes, for me, if you have doubt about the provable fairness of the game, better choose a trustworthy casino. At least, they are tested with a lot of players and if they are running shady operations, it will be expose by users.

I guess there is a difference between trust and willingness to play.

People are still quite willing to play these games despite knowing that it's not provably fair or whatnot, presumably because of the entertainment value.

And that is honestly fair enough. I sometimes play these games for fun too. But the problem lies with streamers promoting this game as the equivalent of provably fair and dropping thousands in a single bet which you should never do.

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[magneto]

Based from the poll, gamblers here are not trusting this kind of live games. And yet, many gamblers are playing this game. So if you don't trust this game, why are you playing?   So yes, for me, if you have doubt about the provable fairness of the game, better choose a trustworthy casino. At least, they are tested with a lot of players and if they are running shady operations, it will be expose by users.

I am not surprised because we have motto "Don't Trust! Verify!"
How you could verify a game like this? Can you trust blindly an audit society and their work?
Personally I cannot trust and I will play just for fun (without expecting nothing back, I mean just for entertainment)

I agree.

Just because something is not provably fair wouldn't necessarily preclude me from playing the game for fun.

But I would certainly never put in more than say $50 in total every time I play this game. They could very easily discriminate against higher bets, whereas if the game was rigged, they are less likely to target smaller bets.

[Cookdata]

I guess there is a difference between trust and willingness to play.

People are still quite willing to play these games despite knowing that it's not provably fair or whatnot, presumably because of the entertainment value.

And that is honestly fair enough. I sometimes play these games for fun too. But the problem lies with streamers promoting this game as the equivalent of provably fair and dropping thousands in a single bet which you should never do.

May be some prefer the fun part with some pretty small  losses. It's not even entertaining playing where another person (auditors) say it cools to use them since they have  checked them. It will come to a point when you would be mislead and regret following what the front runner was showing you.

I will choose sport virtual  games where the risk is high than follow this, it's my money and its going to be my rules and my way and let the players give me the outcome.

[goldkingcoiner]

Its really an unfortunate question, but whether or not trusting any gambling service or website is wise can only be answered by looking at the distant and near past history. A lot of them always find legal ways to screw their trusting audience and players over. And sometimes and quite often, they even do so illegally. Having a gambling license does not make it impossible to commit crimes. And everything really should be taken with a grain or two of salt.

If I had to make a choice, I would go for Monopoly because it has a bigger name. But don't be fooled, even the biggest names screw people over while disregarding laws.

[AicecreaME]

I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.

That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.

Usually these live games are audited by a third party company, so the reliability of these games is directly related to who the auditors are, as they have a reputation to uphold, and reputation is the most valuable asset for these auditing companies.

But directly answering your question: NO, I don't trust and I don't like to bet on these games.

Correct.

This game is only entertaining to those who thinks gambling games are all the same, when it's not. Just like what you've said, this game is manipulated by a third party in which they are choosing small bets to win and collect the big bets by doing so, if I'm not mistaken. Once people know the true story behind such game, for sure they will never enjoy this live betting game and will always make extra effort to make a research first before betting on some games.

[dothebeats]

It's just fun to watch the outcome of these games, but no I don't trust nor plan to bet on these games. Even if someone regularly checks on the live roll's authenticity and veracity, they can be paid too, in order to rig the game. Though most auditors and verifiers of these games are reliable most of the time, you can never be sure if their participation on audits is already paid. Everything has a price. I'll stick to my casino games and sports betting, I guess.

[Gozie51]

Everything has a price. I'll stick to my casino games and sports betting, I guess.

I still prefer sports betting too because the chance of manipulation is very small. Betting is involving money and it is not encouraging if you know the outcome of your bet was manipulated, I rather to stick to the kind of games that I can go on research for myself and probably determine my decision on it. If I do a sports bet, I may also have the chance of watching it and see for myself whether the referee was partial or not.

[Silberman]

Its really an unfortunate question, but whether or not trusting any gambling service or website is wise can only be answered by looking at the distant and near past history. A lot of them always find legal ways to screw their trusting audience and players over. And sometimes and quite often, they even do so illegally. Having a gambling license does not make it impossible to commit crimes. And everything really should be taken with a grain or two of salt.

If I had to make a choice, I would go for Monopoly because it has a bigger name. But don't be fooled, even the biggest names screw people over while disregarding laws.

Now that I think about it, monopoly is a registered trademark do you think they have the permission to use it ? After all I do not think the legal owners of the trademark would agree to do this, as their game is mostly for kids and young people and this could induce them to gamble, an activity which is for those that have reached adulthood, so when I think about the less incentive I have to play this game as if they can ignore the rights of the owners of the trademark then they could do the same to their players.

[Theones]

It's just fun to watch the outcome of these games, but no I don't trust nor plan to bet on these games. Even if someone regularly checks on the live roll's authenticity and veracity, they can be paid too, in order to rig the game. Though most auditors and verifiers of these games are reliable most of the time, you can never be sure if their participation on audits is already paid. Everything has a price. I'll stick to my casino games and sports betting, I guess.

I agree – they are for fun, and casino is for gambling and there is no trust in Casino and gambling. It’s an easy money which comes with luck and in our culture it is a strong belief that easy come, easy go. But vigilance is the key – being a little bit extra vigilant wont hurt. I restrict myself to occasional betting on cricket matches.

[seoincorporation]

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I agree.

Just because something is not provably fair wouldn't necessarily preclude me from playing the game for fun.

But I would certainly never put in more than say $50 in total every time I play this game. They could very easily discriminate against higher bets, whereas if the game was rigged, they are less likely to target smaller bets.

Since they are a live game, I don't think the amount of your bet decides the result, but maybe the sum of all bets is part of the equation.

Each round tons of people bets on the same roll, and all of them will get the same result, that's why I don't think a single-player martingale would get rigged.

[KTChampions]

I agree.

Just because something is not provably fair wouldn't necessarily preclude me from playing the game for fun.

But I would certainly never put in more than say $50 in total every time I play this game. They could very easily discriminate against higher bets, whereas if the game was rigged, they are less likely to target smaller bets.

By the way, it would be interesting to know how much is at stake for the "average" rotation of the wheel. It would be useful to know both for those reasons that you said (to understand the size of a safe bet) and out of simple curiosity - it is interesting from what turnover the organization of such a game makes economic sense for the casino.