[Boxing]: Canelo Alvarez vs Dmitry Bivol - May 7

[Japinat]

~snip~
If this cases will remain, then I don't doubt that a time will come that they won't let the said athletes or fighters to join such games or events just because they do not share the same beliefs or views.

And that would make the sports boring. Actually, sports is one of the best ways to unite countries, we compete through sports in a friendly manner and it should remain that way. With politics, the real purpose of sports or competition will not be achieve.

[Saisher]

~snip~
If this cases will remain, then I don't doubt that a time will come that they won't let the said athletes or fighters to join such games or events just because they do not share the same beliefs or views.

And that would make the sports boring. Actually, sports is one of the best ways to unite countries, we compete through sports in a friendly manner and it should remain that way. With politics, the real purpose of sports or competition will not be achieve.

There's a report that the Klitschko brothers believe that Bivol should not be allowed to box

Asked whether Bivol should also be barred from competing while the invasion takes place, Wladimir Klitschko explained: “It’s nothing against the athletes, it’s about the politics of Russia.

“Every Russian representative in this case needs to be sanctioned because this way we show Russia the world is against this senseless war and there is no good in this war.”

but for me, this is a good fight and every Canelo fight whoever he is fighting is always a great fight I want to see this happen but I'm also supporting boycotting of Russian products.

[AicecreaME]

~snip~
If this cases will remain, then I don't doubt that a time will come that they won't let the said athletes or fighters to join such games or events just because they do not share the same beliefs or views.

And that would make the sports boring. Actually, sports is one of the best ways to unite countries, we compete through sports in a friendly manner and it should remain that way. With politics, the real purpose of sports or competition will not be achieve.

The real essence of sports is the sportsmanship and competition among players and the team or country they represent. If the sports would involve politics in it, it could be a little bit messy. Although I know for a fact that everything is political. It's just that, there are right places and right time for those topics and conversation. If you would force into someone the beliefs and principles you hold, it wouldn't be good since you are imposing it. And by imposing, you are violating their right to be entitled on their own choices and decisions. It's okay to educate and let them be enlightened if you think they are thinking or having a flawed mindset for having or idolizing such, but we should know where to draw the line. Crossing the boundaries and limits is rude. The athletes are playing because it's their passion. We should not decide for them and we should not bully or set them aside just because they have different perspective and opinion than ours.

[TopTort777]

Sanctions can be different. They can prevent this fight to happen on a specific territory, or ban Russian boxers from boxing federation at all. In scenario, where Dmitry Bivol cant get visa and get to US for a fight, where it might presumably happen? I know that Germany and UK are places where lots of boxing fights happens, but there borders will be closed for Bivol. In Mexico? Are they friendly (so far) with Russia? In one of Asian countries ? Most likely not, Canelo would not accept it. Is there a list of countries where international boxing organizations allowed to have a fight? Or in any country title fight is counted as acceptable?

[Russlenat]

~snip~
If this cases will remain, then I don't doubt that a time will come that they won't let the said athletes or fighters to join such games or events just because they do not share the same beliefs or views.

And that would make the sports boring. Actually, sports is one of the best ways to unite countries, we compete through sports in a friendly manner and it should remain that way. With politics, the real purpose of sports or competition will not be achieve.

Yeah, definitely it would really make the sports boring. The sports industry was used to be that way but the situation now is different, how can sports unite the countries if they are also indulging into politics.
On Canelo's side, if he can't fight Dmitry Bivol? Then who will because the man have defeated almost all champions in the boxing industry.

There's a report that the Klitschko brothers believe that Bivol should not be allowed to box

Asked whether Bivol should also be barred from competing while the invasion takes place, Wladimir Klitschko explained: “It’s nothing against the athletes, it’s about the politics of Russia.

“Every Russian representative in this case needs to be sanctioned because this way we show Russia the world is against this senseless war and there is no good in this war.”

but for me, this is a good fight and every Canelo fight whoever he is fighting is always a great fight I want to see this happen but I'm also supporting boycotting of Russian products.

Any source about this mate?

[freedomgo]

~snip~
If this cases will remain, then I don't doubt that a time will come that they won't let the said athletes or fighters to join such games or events just because they do not share the same beliefs or views.

And that would make the sports boring. Actually, sports is one of the best ways to unite countries, we compete through sports in a friendly manner and it should remain that way. With politics, the real purpose of sports or competition will not be achieve.

There's a report that the Klitschko brothers believe that Bivol should not be allowed to box

Asked whether Bivol should also be barred from competing while the invasion takes place, Wladimir Klitschko explained: “It’s nothing against the athletes, it’s about the politics of Russia.

“Every Russian representative in this case needs to be sanctioned because this way we show Russia the world is against this senseless war and there is no good in this war.”

but for me, this is a good fight and every Canelo fight whoever he is fighting is always a great fight I want to see this happen but I'm also supporting boycotting of Russian products.

That's very personal for Klitschko brothers because they are Ukrainian and they are under attack by Russia, so it's expected that they'll feel that way. However, it's not them who will decide, the fight is decided by the boxing organization and I expect them to make a fair decision, free from political bias.

[Silberman]

There's a report that the Klitschko brothers believe that Bivol should not be allowed to box

Asked whether Bivol should also be barred from competing while the invasion takes place, Wladimir Klitschko explained: “It’s nothing against the athletes, it’s about the politics of Russia.

“Every Russian representative in this case needs to be sanctioned because this way we show Russia the world is against this senseless war and there is no good in this war.”

but for me, this is a good fight and every Canelo fight whoever he is fighting is always a great fight I want to see this happen but I'm also supporting boycotting of Russian products.

Personally I think this is going to be difficult, because unlike with what we see at the FIFA World Cup or at the Olympic games in boxing athletes are not competing while representing their nations, obviously Bivol is Russian and Canelo is Mexican but they are not expressly representing their countries unlike with that happens with other sport events, so I do not think sanctioning Bivol would be the right thing to do here at all.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

~snip~
If this cases will remain, then I don't doubt that a time will come that they won't let the said athletes or fighters to join such games or events just because they do not share the same beliefs or views.

And that would make the sports boring. Actually, sports is one of the best ways to unite countries, we compete through sports in a friendly manner and it should remain that way. With politics, the real purpose of sports or competition will not be achieve.

There's a report that the Klitschko brothers believe that Bivol should not be allowed to box

Asked whether Bivol should also be barred from competing while the invasion takes place, Wladimir Klitschko explained: “It’s nothing against the athletes, it’s about the politics of Russia.

“Every Russian representative in this case needs to be sanctioned because this way we show Russia the world is against this senseless war and there is no good in this war.”

but for me, this is a good fight and every Canelo fight whoever he is fighting is always a great fight I want to see this happen but I'm also supporting boycotting of Russian products.

That's very personal for Klitschko brothers because they are Ukrainian and they are under attack by Russia, so it's expected that they'll feel that way. However, it's not them who will decide, the fight is decided by the boxing organization and I expect them to make a fair decision, free from political bias.

Yes, of course as Ukrainians but former Heavyweight champion they will have their own opinion on this. But it doesn't matter, still boils down to the decision of the governing bodies involved in this fight.

Anyone hearing about the opinion of Canelo? for sure he wanted the fight to happen and he will not look at Bivol whether he is Russian or not. And so let's see what will be the final decision here and crossing our fingers that this fight is still going to be made.

[mirakal]

Like all the other early big fights of Canelo he is the heavy favorite, here only two people out of 30 voters here believe Bivol can beat Canelo, I have this feeling Bivol is the weakest opponent Canelo will face, he lacks defense doesn't have a good lateral movement and flatfooted, something Canelo exploits with that kind of moves.

Alvarez   - 27 (90%)
Bivol   - 2 (6.7%)
Draw   - 1 (3.3%)
Total Voters: 30

As always, right? I mean, it is quite expected and nothing new about it that Saul Canelo Alvarez will be the heavy favorite, he ain't called a pound-for-pound king for nothing. Most of the people here in this forum are an avid fan of sports especially boxing and they also know that Canelo has the higher hand here than Dmitry Bivol.

Bivol may only have 19 bouts in his whole professional boxing career but that's a clean record with no loss at all and more than half of his bouts are KO. So, that doesn't mean that he is weak and probably not the weakest that Canelo will face.

[AmoreJaz]

Like all the other early big fights of Canelo he is the heavy favorite, here only two people out of 30 voters here believe Bivol can beat Canelo, I have this feeling Bivol is the weakest opponent Canelo will face, he lacks defense doesn't have a good lateral movement and flatfooted, something Canelo exploits with that kind of moves.

Alvarez   - 27 (90%)
Bivol   - 2 (6.7%)
Draw   - 1 (3.3%)
Total Voters: 30

As always, right? I mean, it is quite expected and nothing new about it that Saul Canelo Alvarez will be the heavy favorite, he ain't called a pound-for-pound king for nothing. Most of the people here in this forum are an avid fan of sports especially boxing and they also know that Canelo has the higher hand here than Dmitry Bivol.

Bivol may only have 19 bouts in his whole professional boxing career but that's a clean record with no loss at all and more than half of his bouts are KO. So, that doesn't mean that he is weak and probably not the weakest that Canelo will face.

if canelo will win on this one, this will be bivol's first loss in his career. so i think he is heavily preparing on this one also considering that he knows he's the underdog on this match. we can't ignore bivol's capability here as well as he won't go this far if he is weak.
but clearly, bookies are all in for canelo. so check other money betting lines for more thrill on this upcoming fight.

[Fundamentals Of]

~snip~
If this cases will remain, then I don't doubt that a time will come that they won't let the said athletes or fighters to join such games or events just because they do not share the same beliefs or views.

And that would make the sports boring. Actually, sports is one of the best ways to unite countries, we compete through sports in a friendly manner and it should remain that way. With politics, the real purpose of sports or competition will not be achieve.

There's a report that the Klitschko brothers believe that Bivol should not be allowed to box

Asked whether Bivol should also be barred from competing while the invasion takes place, Wladimir Klitschko explained: “It’s nothing against the athletes, it’s about the politics of Russia.

“Every Russian representative in this case needs to be sanctioned because this way we show Russia the world is against this senseless war and there is no good in this war.”

but for me, this is a good fight and every Canelo fight whoever he is fighting is always a great fight I want to see this happen but I'm also supporting boycotting of Russian products.

I have also read this unfortunate news. I don't know how the sanctioning bodies in boxing will react to this call. It is not a far possibility that the sanctioning bodies in boxing will indeed exclude Russian fighters from the sport for now. We all know that there are already other leagues that have announced the exclusion of Russian teams and players. This is temporary of course. This is just to put pressure on Putin in every way possible.

[Russlenat]

~snip~
If this cases will remain, then I don't doubt that a time will come that they won't let the said athletes or fighters to join such games or events just because they do not share the same beliefs or views.

And that would make the sports boring. Actually, sports is one of the best ways to unite countries, we compete through sports in a friendly manner and it should remain that way. With politics, the real purpose of sports or competition will not be achieve.

There's a report that the Klitschko brothers believe that Bivol should not be allowed to box

Asked whether Bivol should also be barred from competing while the invasion takes place, Wladimir Klitschko explained: “It’s nothing against the athletes, it’s about the politics of Russia.

“Every Russian representative in this case needs to be sanctioned because this way we show Russia the world is against this senseless war and there is no good in this war.”

but for me, this is a good fight and every Canelo fight whoever he is fighting is always a great fight I want to see this happen but I'm also supporting boycotting of Russian products.

I have also read this unfortunate news. I don't know how the sanctioning bodies in boxing will react to this call. It is not a far possibility that the sanctioning bodies in boxing will indeed exclude Russian fighters from the sport for now. We all know that there are already other leagues that have announced the exclusion of Russian teams and players. This is temporary of course. This is just to put pressure on Putin in every way possible.

I also read about that, don't know if we got the same article but I somehow read that sanctioning bodies are taking strict actions towards Russian fighter and not allowing them to have any title fights while there's still ongoing war. Yes, this is temporary but this sad news is a big deal specially that it is already set.
Here's what I read:

The IBF, WBO, and WBC have taken various actions, the strictest of which has been a decision to, for the time being, not allow any title fights featuring Russian fighters.

If the WBA pulls its sanctioning of Alvarez-Bivol or sponsors begin to pull out, DAZN may lose this fight and have to scramble for a quick replacement to face Alvarez in what was to be their first-ever pay-per-view event. A lot of money could be lost by losing Alvarez-Bivol.

Time will tell how great the pull of money is when stacked up against the pull of international outrage.

The Call to Cancel Canelo vs. Bivol

[Rufsilf]

Wouldn't it be suspend because of the Russia invasion? many sports league already removed Russia in their competition but the WBO does not yet? or they doesn't care about politics? In this match I think I would go in Alvarez, I see his previous matches and I think he can't easily beat by Bivol though Bivol doesn't have much professional boxing career his previous career in non professional boxing is great too. This is very exciting match.

I hope it will not be suspended, we have not seen Canelo having a fight this year yet unlike last year when he fight 3 times in a year IIRC. Sports should not be mixed with politics as its main purpose is just entertainment, so I hope we will see our expectations.

Same here, even without the fact that we haven't seen Canelo fighting this year, I do hope that this fight will continue and not just this fight but for other Russian Athletes as well that have some games or fight scheduled even before the implementation was posted. These industries is for sports and entertainment, and not for politics. They should've let the elected country leaders deal with it.

Anyways, did you guys saw the viral news about Vladimir Putin's statement for FIFA? If not, here it is.

“FIFA must not enter into war politics, The National Football team of Russia will play FIFA World Cup in Qatar, or there won’t be WORLD CUP at all” -Putin

Source: https://twitter.com/sokapatriots/status/1500168891988852737?s=20&t=zVxqdMIHLJzKJXnwdONTKw
 

That statement is very positive, it's a go on his side but hopefully the same on the side of other countries or the organizers of the boxing event. When politics will come into the picture, everything will become biased and that will kill the excitement. Just let them fight, at least in times of war we can still entertain ourselves.

Indeed, it was. It is just really unfair for these boxers and other athletes to be treated this way and be banned from certain games just because their president started an invasion and war in the far north. I mean, c'mon! They're aren't taking part on the war, they are just here to make money while entertaining people.

The statement of the sanctioning bodies and other giants in the sports industries are heavily biased, they cannot just ban those said athletes and get the fights unsanctioned just because their nationality is Russian is really unreasonable and wrong.

If this cases will remain, then I don't doubt that a time will come that they won't let the said athletes or fighters to join such games or events just because they do not share the same beliefs or views.

Exactly, it's really wrong to ban those said participants due to their nationality from various sports industries. They haven't joined their president in the war and the fact that they are condemning their own president which is Vladimir Putin is already a sign that they also don't want wars. We can't neglect the fact that they're also suffering the consequence even if they did nothing wrong.

If this cases will remain, then I don't doubt that a time will come that they won't let the said athletes or fighters to join such games or events just because they do not share the same beliefs or views.

It's really possible that something like that will happen soon because they have different views.

[Dave1]

Like all the other early big fights of Canelo he is the heavy favorite, here only two people out of 30 voters here believe Bivol can beat Canelo, I have this feeling Bivol is the weakest opponent Canelo will face, he lacks defense doesn't have a good lateral movement and flatfooted, something Canelo exploits with that kind of moves.

Alvarez   - 27 (90%)
Bivol   - 2 (6.7%)
Draw   - 1 (3.3%)
Total Voters: 30

As always, right? I mean, it is quite expected and nothing new about it that Saul Canelo Alvarez will be the heavy favorite, he ain't called a pound-for-pound king for nothing. Most of the people here in this forum are an avid fan of sports especially boxing and they also know that Canelo has the higher hand here than Dmitry Bivol.

Bivol may only have 19 bouts in his whole professional boxing career but that's a clean record with no loss at all and more than half of his bouts are KO. So, that doesn't mean that he is weak and probably not the weakest that Canelo will face.

if canelo will win on this one, this will be bivol's first loss in his career. so i think he is heavily preparing on this one also considering that he knows he's the underdog on this match. we can't ignore bivol's capability here as well as he won't go this far if he is weak.
but clearly, bookies are all in for canelo. so check other money betting lines for more thrill on this upcoming fight.

Usually, I notice boxing fans here to be accurate on their voting as to who is going to win. So this fight is no different, unless Bivol surprise us with a big upset against the best fighter we have right now. It will be huge win for him.

But that is a big what if, Canelo is too good at this point, he had fought a lot of good boxers and says that they are going to win and knock him out, but so far everyone failed, except Floyd.

[Fredomago]

Usually, I notice boxing fans here to be accurate on their voting as to who is going to win. So this fight is no different, unless Bivol surprise us with a big upset against the best fighter we have right now. It will be huge win for him.

A surprise win coming from Bivol would something that will create a big noise to this sport, knowing that the vote coming from most of
fans and analys are on Canelo, we never know though if what will happen until the fight was over.

But that is a big what if, Canelo is too good at this point, he had fought a lot of good boxers and says that they are going to win and knock him out, but so far everyone failed, except Floyd.

Canelo still the favorite and he already showcase his talent and for sure we will see another greatness once the fight happen,.

[LUCKMCFLY]

The only thing that makes this fight anticipated is that this involves Canelo Alvarez. Other than that, the anticipation is not this high. That Dmitry Bivol is Canelo's opponent does not make this fight anticipated. It does not make this fight exciting at all. The odds says it all. But I am still considering the possibility of an upset. Bivol has the youth in him and has the advantage in terms of stats. If he only keeps Canelo at a distance he will make it to a unanimous decision. But this is still an uphill battle for him.

Still very exciting as Bivol is undefeated, has a good knock out percentage. So there is slight chance of an upset if Bivol hit him square. We haven't seen Canelo being tested since the GGG fight, all his opponents in 168 just breaks down from Canelo's attack. I think Bivol will be a tough match for him at the Light Weight so this will be a good match up.

Yes, you are right, for me Canelo is a great fighter and has incredible potential, at first I could say the same thing, that it will be an easy fight for him, but seeing Bivol's style and history he is not just any fighter, he has a relevant winning streak, and this makes him more competitive, although many find that fight boring, I do not see that it is boring at all, what happens is that we are used to seeing famous boxers and their fights, but Bivol really knows brings them, I would keep some suspicion when making a bet.

[bisdak40]

The IBF, WBO, and WBC have taken various actions, the strictest of which has been a decision to, for the time being, not allow any title fights featuring Russian fighters.

If the WBA pulls its sanctioning of Alvarez-Bivol or sponsors begin to pull out, DAZN may lose this fight and have to scramble for a quick replacement to face Alvarez in what was to be their first-ever pay-per-view event. A lot of money could be lost by losing Alvarez-Bivol.

Time will tell how great the pull of money is when stacked up against the pull of international outrage.

The Call to Cancel Canelo vs. Bivol

This seems to be an interesting article and i tried to browse the bookies to see what are the odds if this fight pushes through and i found this interesting and i thought for a while that Bivol was replaced lol.

Gambit, Esports 3.75, Saul Alvarez 1.23

I did some research on who is Gambit Esports and found out that it is a Russian gaming company so this might still be connected to Bivol so he has not been replaced yet.

[Fundamentals Of]

~snip~
If this cases will remain, then I don't doubt that a time will come that they won't let the said athletes or fighters to join such games or events just because they do not share the same beliefs or views.

And that would make the sports boring. Actually, sports is one of the best ways to unite countries, we compete through sports in a friendly manner and it should remain that way. With politics, the real purpose of sports or competition will not be achieve.

There's a report that the Klitschko brothers believe that Bivol should not be allowed to box

Asked whether Bivol should also be barred from competing while the invasion takes place, Wladimir Klitschko explained: “It’s nothing against the athletes, it’s about the politics of Russia.

“Every Russian representative in this case needs to be sanctioned because this way we show Russia the world is against this senseless war and there is no good in this war.”

but for me, this is a good fight and every Canelo fight whoever he is fighting is always a great fight I want to see this happen but I'm also supporting boycotting of Russian products.

I have also read this unfortunate news. I don't know how the sanctioning bodies in boxing will react to this call. It is not a far possibility that the sanctioning bodies in boxing will indeed exclude Russian fighters from the sport for now. We all know that there are already other leagues that have announced the exclusion of Russian teams and players. This is temporary of course. This is just to put pressure on Putin in every way possible.

I also read about that, don't know if we got the same article but I somehow read that sanctioning bodies are taking strict actions towards Russian fighter and not allowing them to have any title fights while there's still ongoing war. Yes, this is temporary but this sad news is a big deal specially that it is already set.
Here's what I read:

The IBF, WBO, and WBC have taken various actions, the strictest of which has been a decision to, for the time being, not allow any title fights featuring Russian fighters.

If the WBA pulls its sanctioning of Alvarez-Bivol or sponsors begin to pull out, DAZN may lose this fight and have to scramble for a quick replacement to face Alvarez in what was to be their first-ever pay-per-view event. A lot of money could be lost by losing Alvarez-Bivol.

Time will tell how great the pull of money is when stacked up against the pull of international outrage.

The Call to Cancel Canelo vs. Bivol

I don't think there will be a strong international outrage against this considering that the general sentiment of the world's population right now is in favor of Ukraine. We are now seeing a very strong support of all kinds of people from all around the world for Ukraine.

And also, this fight is anticipated probably 99% because of Canelo. Whether the opponent is Bivol or somebody else, there will still be high anticipation.

The fight is supposed to happen in less than two months. There should already be a decision very soon on this because it wouldn't be fair to any boxer who will replace Bivol.

[bbc.reporter]

Like all the other early big fights of Canelo he is the heavy favorite, here only two people out of 30 voters here believe Bivol can beat Canelo, I have this feeling Bivol is the weakest opponent Canelo will face, he lacks defense doesn't have a good lateral movement and flatfooted, something Canelo exploits with that kind of moves.


Alvarez   - 27 (90%)
Bivol   - 2 (6.7%)
Draw   - 1 (3.3%)
Total Voters: 30

It is now 3 votes hehehe. Add me to team Bivol. Also after reviewing some of the posts in this thread, it appears that Dmitry Bivol might be very underestimated for this fight! I do not know Bivol very much, however, after watching videos of his fights, he is certainly an expert in controlling the distance. This might be difficult for Canelo who is shorter in height and in reach, I reckon. Bivol also has power in his left hook and his straight right punch. Similar to Canelo, he also likes punching the body.

[Saisher]

The statement of the sanctioning bodies and other giants in the sports industries are heavily biased, they cannot just ban those said athletes and get the fights unsanctioned just because their nationality is Russian is really unreasonable and wrong.

If this cases will remain, then I don't doubt that a time will come that they won't let the said athletes or fighters to join such games or events just because they do not share the same beliefs or views.

I read in one article that they will let Bivol fight Canelo but Bivol will not be allowed to show the Russian flag and they will not allow playing the Russian national anthem, I think that's fair enough they are not banning the boxer but what he represents, I love to see this push through Bivol has never been challenged inside the ring he is always in offense let us see if his offense is that good to challenge's Canelo's defense.