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Remember when people acted like this towards Arabs after 9/11? Or Japanese-Americans being put into internment camps in the USA in 1942 because of their ancestry? How many times are we going to act like Germany in 1940s everytime something bad happens in the world? What is it with this incessant need for having someone to blame?
This is obviously a politically motivated move to save themselves from bad PR. This has nothing to do with sanctioning Russia or stopping military funds from causing further damage in Ukraine. What do I think? I think its ridiculous. At what point are we going to start putting Russians in camps? Maybe lets start marking Russian-owned businesses in foreign countries with a painted sickel and hammer?
Are the Russian football players killing people, supporting the invasion or funneling funds towards the military? No. I am no friend of Putin's but we need to call out discrimination when we see it.
FIFA and UEFA should be ashamed.
Many Russian citizens in other countries are already experiencing acts of harassment and bullying by some locals. It makes no difference to those who engage in it who the person is - a famous soccer player, a scientist or an oppositionist to the current government in Russia who has decided to run away from what is happening in the country. And this is very sad.
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March 18, 2022, 08:24:17 PM |
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One does not cancel the other. Now all sanctions will be applied, both fair and unfair, effective and ineffective. This is a signal to Russia and the world that such actions as Russia arranged by starting a war with Ukraine are unacceptable in the modern world.
By the way, I read local sports news (Russian) and watch a huge stream of players who, using the permission of FIFA and UEFA to terminate contracts with Russian clubs unilaterally, leave Russia en masse. It seems that club football in Russia in just one season will roll back 20-30 years and subsequently return to a normal level will be incredibly difficult.
The Russian Championship in this case is not a pity, everything was there on the money of the state, when the state in fact sponsored unprofitable clubs. And it would be fine if they played normally, like Manchester City or PSG, but no. In this case, individual people close to the leadership simply enriched themselves and international players left as mercenaries should because of the threat of non-payment of wages. However, they are quite understandable. Well, in fairness, we must admit that there were some achievements, both at the level of national teams and clubs - CSKA and Zenit won the UEFA Cup. As for unprofitability, this is a continuation of the Russian state - when everything is state-owned (formally or in fact), then naturally unprofitability or profitability does not bother anyone. Football was a political project and I'm glad that it fell under the rink like other areas of Russian interest.
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March 18, 2022, 08:33:58 PM |
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Remember when people acted like this towards Arabs after 9/11? Or Japanese-Americans being put into internment camps in the USA in 1942 because of their ancestry? How many times are we going to act like Germany in 1940s everytime something bad happens in the world? What is it with this incessant need for having someone to blame?
This is obviously a politically motivated move to save themselves from bad PR. This has nothing to do with sanctioning Russia or stopping military funds from causing further damage in Ukraine. What do I think? I think its ridiculous. At what point are we going to start putting Russians in camps? Maybe lets start marking Russian-owned businesses in foreign countries with a painted sickel and hammer?
Are the Russian football players killing people, supporting the invasion or funneling funds towards the military? No. I am no friend of Putin's but we need to call out discrimination when we see it.
FIFA and UEFA should be ashamed.
Many Russian citizens in other countries are already experiencing acts of harassment and bullying by some locals. It makes no difference to those who engage in it who the person is - a famous soccer player, a scientist or an oppositionist to the current government in Russia who has decided to run away from what is happening in the country. And this is very sad. Very sad indeed on which there's really that kind of discrimination on Russians on whatever career or job you do have then you wouldn't really be that exemption on which people does really have a bad view or impressions towards you just because you are living on a country or does have that nationality on where your leader do hated the most.Lots of industries and decisions similar to this on where sanctions and blocking our excluding or removing is very common nowadays as long you do attached up on being Russian then they would be having that common impression but its not really that totally a solid basis for removing some consideration.
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Well, in fairness, we must admit that there were some achievements, both at the level of national teams and clubs - CSKA and Zenit won the UEFA Cup. As for unprofitability, this is a continuation of the Russian state - when everything is state-owned (formally or in fact), then naturally unprofitability or profitability does not bother anyone. Football was a political project and I'm glad that it fell under the rink like other areas of Russian interest.
I always wondered why Gazprom and Rosneft are spending hundreds of millions of USD in sponsoring sports teams, when a lot of people in Russia don't have access to piped natural gas. During the peak period of 2009-2014, these companies were carelessly spending their revenue, instead of re-investing them in new projects. As a result, countries such as Qatar and Australia surged ahead with new LNG projects and Russia lost market share everywhere. And it is not just the government owned companies. Oligarchs like Roman Abramovich were also splurging their money carelessly while their compatriots were suffering back home in Russia.
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Well, in fairness, we must admit that there were some achievements, both at the level of national teams and clubs - CSKA and Zenit won the UEFA Cup. As for unprofitability, this is a continuation of the Russian state - when everything is state-owned (formally or in fact), then naturally unprofitability or profitability does not bother anyone. Football was a political project and I'm glad that it fell under the rink like other areas of Russian interest.
Both Russia team CSKA Moscow and Zenit always active participants on Champion League or Europe League but in this season after suspending by UEFA will give their slot to other country for qualifying on both UEFA competition between champion league or europe league, I think bad impact because Russia football team can't participant on UEFA competition next season if still suspended and war invasion keep continue until next football competition begin, I think still have chance for Russia football team for getting back their chance to UEFA competition if war stopping and FIFA will give back football access to Russia.
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Well, in fairness, we must admit that there were some achievements, both at the level of national teams and clubs - CSKA and Zenit won the UEFA Cup. As for unprofitability, this is a continuation of the Russian state - when everything is state-owned (formally or in fact), then naturally unprofitability or profitability does not bother anyone. Football was a political project and I'm glad that it fell under the rink like other areas of Russian interest.
I always wondered why Gazprom and Rosneft are spending hundreds of millions of USD in sponsoring sports teams, when a lot of people in Russia don't have access to piped natural gas. During the peak period of 2009-2014, these companies were carelessly spending their revenue, instead of re-investing them in new projects. As a result, countries such as Qatar and Australia surged ahead with new LNG projects and Russia lost market share everywhere. And it is not just the government owned companies. Oligarchs like Roman Abramovich were also splurging their money carelessly while their compatriots were suffering back home in Russia. The answer is quite simple: the oligarchs like football, but they don't care about gas in the homes of ordinary Russians. And since Russia is essentially controlled by oligarchs, the money went only where they were interested in investing. If people who rules in Gazprom like football, then they did not spare money for foreign legionnaires, paying $ 65 million for the hulk and $ 35 for Witsel. The players themselves are good, there are no complaints about them. But when most of the houses in the country are without gas, it is very strange to see such purchases.
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March 19, 2022, 03:05:51 PM |
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Well, in fairness, we must admit that there were some achievements, both at the level of national teams and clubs - CSKA and Zenit won the UEFA Cup. As for unprofitability, this is a continuation of the Russian state - when everything is state-owned (formally or in fact), then naturally unprofitability or profitability does not bother anyone. Football was a political project and I'm glad that it fell under the rink like other areas of Russian interest.
I always wondered why Gazprom and Rosneft are spending hundreds of millions of USD in sponsoring sports teams, when a lot of people in Russia don't have access to piped natural gas. During the peak period of 2009-2014, these companies were carelessly spending their revenue, instead of re-investing them in new projects. As a result, countries such as Qatar and Australia surged ahead with new LNG projects and Russia lost market share everywhere. And it is not just the government owned companies. Oligarchs like Roman Abramovich were also splurging their money carelessly while their compatriots were suffering back home in Russia. I'm from Russia and I've always wondered about this too (actually not because I know that the Russian state considers its citizens to be slaves/resource). As for non-state companies, this is a misconception, we have all companies state-owned - but some are formal state-owned, and some are not. Both Russia team CSKA Moscow and Zenit always active participants on Champion League or Europe League but in this season after suspending by UEFA will give their slot to other country for qualifying on both UEFA competition between champion league or europe league, I think bad impact because Russia football team can't participant on UEFA competition next season if still suspended and war invasion keep continue until next football competition begin, I think still have chance for Russia football team for getting back their chance to UEFA competition if war stopping and FIFA will give back football access to Russia.
Various options are possible, including such as with Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia, as I wrote in another topic. No one knows what Russia will turn into after the war, but the fact that sports issues are nonsense against the backdrop of the war is a fact.
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Many Russian citizens in other countries are already experiencing acts of harassment and bullying by some locals. It makes no difference to those who engage in it who the person is - a famous soccer player, a scientist or an oppositionist to the current government in Russia who has decided to run away from what is happening in the country. And this is very sad.
It is high time - that the world should should stand up against violence. But then I think there will be no stopping- no matter how many sections are made against Russia. Russia will rise,it will remain a powerful state and will keep imposing their powers on the weak counties. There will be the same kind of wars in coming days and innocent will suffer like always.
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One does not cancel the other. Now all sanctions will be applied, both fair and unfair, effective and ineffective. This is a signal to Russia and the world that such actions as Russia arranged by starting a war with Ukraine are unacceptable in the modern world.
By the way, I read local sports news (Russian) and watch a huge stream of players who, using the permission of FIFA and UEFA to terminate contracts with Russian clubs unilaterally, leave Russia en masse. It seems that club football in Russia in just one season will roll back 20-30 years and subsequently return to a normal level will be incredibly difficult.
But Russia will recover - I am sure all the section are temporary and they will end once the war is over. Russia is a super power. They are unstoppable and they know how to keep allies united. I am amazed how the world has reacted for the first time against war. Have that had happened earlier when other counties were calling for help. This horrible situation would have avoided. Even if the sanctions do not end automatically once the war ends their power will be limited, after all the world still needs oil and gas, so if the US and other countries do not want Russia as their provider there will always be someone interested in buying those two commodities regardless of what the US says, so even if Russia is not able to get the markets rates for their oil, the price has grown so much that they will still get way more money than what they did in the recent past before the war started.
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Many Russian citizens in other countries are already experiencing acts of harassment and bullying by some locals. It makes no difference to those who engage in it who the person is - a famous soccer player, a scientist or an oppositionist to the current government in Russia who has decided to run away from what is happening in the country. And this is very sad.
It is high time - that the world should should stand up against violence. But then I think there will be no stopping- no matter how many sections are made against Russia. Russia will rise,it will remain a powerful state and will keep imposing their powers on the weak counties. There will be the same kind of wars in coming days and innocent will suffer like always. Of course I agree with this, but in fact only Russian citizens are now being punished. They have lost their purchasing power and cannot help themselves that Putin is implementing a hard and tight regime. The more sanctions you impose, the more Russia turns against the West, and the more it affects the Russian people. It will be the same with gambling, but there are still plenty of gambling sites that will accept Russian players.
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Of course I agree with this, but in fact only Russian citizens are now being punished. They have lost their purchasing power and cannot help themselves that Putin is implementing a hard and tight regime. The more sanctions you impose, the more Russia turns against the West, and the more it affects the Russian people. It will be the same with gambling, but there are still plenty of gambling sites that will accept Russian players.
This is what makes war so useless, innocent people end up paying the price because of the decisions politicians took at the very top while those politicians do not suffer at all. After all do we think that Putin is suffering because of all the sanctions that have been imposed against his government? He does not care, because if he did then the war would not have happened at all as he would have known the US was not going to tolerate something like this, so right now the only ones suffering at Russia are the citizens.
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The bad thing in this history is not that Russia is excluded from all international competitions not only in football, but in almost all other disciplines, but the bad thing is that athletes will lose their classification and experience because the level of play will drop a lot. The motivation for Russian players has always been lacking because they were paid a huge amount of money for any results. And now the quality of their game will decrease even more, because they will only play each other, where everyone has a bad level.
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The bad thing in this history is not that Russia is excluded from all international competitions not only in football, but in almost all other disciplines, but the bad thing is that athletes will lose their classification and experience because the level of play will drop a lot. The motivation for Russian players has always been lacking because they were paid a huge amount of money for any results. And now the quality of their game will decrease even more, because they will only play each other, where everyone has a bad level.
the mentality of the athletes will definitely be badly affected because of this sanction, they will not develop if they only play in the local football league the latest news that I heard, the president of ukraine has been refused 3 times to make peace by russia, this shows that putin does not care about the economic and sports sanctions imposed by his countries. Putin is a dictator and his brain is messed up
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The bad thing in this history is not that Russia is excluded from all international competitions not only in football, but in almost all other disciplines, but the bad thing is that athletes will lose their classification and experience because the level of play will drop a lot. The motivation for Russian players has always been lacking because they were paid a huge amount of money for any results. And now the quality of their game will decrease even more, because they will only play each other, where everyone has a bad level.
That is a sorry sight. The war is never a solution. I wish both the authorities sit and find a solution to save both the side from physical and psychological trauma. This war is surely affecting sportsmen, athletes, gamblers businessmen and every citizen on both the sides also there will be global affects as well, I wish and hope this war ends soon.
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here is a cartoon which shows very clearly that the whole football and its infrastructure built for the euro 2012 as well as the whole stadiums will be or were destroyed by the whole war Murdering innocent Ukrainians, including footballers, fans of @FCShakhtar or @DynamoKyiv - THIS IS NOT POLITICS! These are Ukrainian clubs, not Russian. Destroying stadiums that were built only 10 years for the #EURO2012 is also killing football in this independent country. https://twitter.com/11vs11art/status/1506164416907202565
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I'm not Russian, but I was still shocked by your generalization.
We cannot blame every Russian citizen for Putin's consequences, Russian people cannot change their country in the same way they change the football team they support.
Remember that many Russian people who protested against Putin were arrested, and this is the main reason many people remain neutral, but that doesn't mean they agree.
Being an Indian, I would say that it is wrong to blame Russia alone in this case. Russia did what any other country would do in self-defense. The endless expansion of NATO is the main trigger here. How would the Americans feel if Russia sets up missile bases across the border at Tijuana? From what I have seen, the vast majority of people in my country support Russia. Ukrainians made the mistake when they elected a clown as their president. Their soldiers are using civilians as human shield, and then complaining that the Russians are bombing residential areas. EHUM _ Remember last time - when the incident of "fantastic tea" happened. There was a good chance that India and Pak will be difficult situation and Ik preferred talks over war. Saying that it's a power show where Human die on both the side of boarder - so war is never a solution -it only brings destruction and misery no matter how may good reasons a nation has.
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In all possible way organisations and governments were showing their opposition to the war, but the agressive move of Putin is getting continued. Initially they weren't attacking any of the buildings, in between started to attack the infrastructure of the country. The latest being the kidnapping of children. This is completely unacceptable and against humanity. What does the child know, this will create hate over Russia in their minds and the same lasts forever. More than 2,300 children ‘kidnapped’ by Russian forces, says Ukraine
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One does not cancel the other. Now all sanctions will be applied, both fair and unfair, effective and ineffective. This is a signal to Russia and the world that such actions as Russia arranged by starting a war with Ukraine are unacceptable in the modern world.
By the way, I read local sports news (Russian) and watch a huge stream of players who, using the permission of FIFA and UEFA to terminate contracts with Russian clubs unilaterally, leave Russia en masse. It seems that club football in Russia in just one season will roll back 20-30 years and subsequently return to a normal level will be incredibly difficult.
But Russia will recover - I am sure all the section are temporary and they will end once the war is over. Russia is a super power. They are unstoppable and they know how to keep allies united. I am amazed how the world has reacted for the first time against war. Have that had happened earlier when other counties were calling for help. This horrible situation would have avoided. I particularly think of something, I like the style of Russian football, and it also seems to me that training football in Russia is something of another level, because I imagine that they are used to doing it in the middle of the snow, and this is something that puts a lot of power on a physical level to a person, in this case the physical condition, also as it says that football can go back so many years, I hope that is not the case, as long as there is a generation of relief as+i in the streets, new promises can be generated, if not a clear example It's in Brazil, where the best players come out of the streets, like the case of Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos, I believe a lot in the Russian talent for soccer as well as I believe that everything related to the war will pass.
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In all possible way organisations and governments were showing their opposition to the war, but the agressive move of Putin is getting continued. Initially they weren't attacking any of the buildings, in between started to attack the infrastructure of the country. The latest being the kidnapping of children. This is completely unacceptable and against humanity. What does the child know, this will create hate over Russia in their minds and the same lasts forever. More than 2,300 children ‘kidnapped’ by Russian forces, says UkraineIn my opinion Russia is getting desperate, they thought they will be able to win the war in under a week and they were unable to do so, this created a whole set of problems they were not expecting that had to do with logistics, which is a key aspect on modern warfare, so they are hitting what the military call soft targets in order to try to diminish the moral of the Ukrainian soldiers and the volunteers, however this can also have the opposite effect and this means the Ukrainian army will resist the advance of the Russian army in an even more determined way.
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In all possible way organisations and governments were showing their opposition to the war, but the agressive move of Putin is getting continued. Initially they weren't attacking any of the buildings, in between started to attack the infrastructure of the country. The latest being the kidnapping of children. This is completely unacceptable and against humanity. What does the child know, this will create hate over Russia in their minds and the same lasts forever. More than 2,300 children ‘kidnapped’ by Russian forces, says UkraineIn my opinion Russia is getting desperate, they thought they will be able to win the war in under a week and they were unable to do so, this created a whole set of problems they were not expecting that had to do with logistics, which is a key aspect on modern warfare, so they are hitting what the military call soft targets in order to try to diminish the moral of the Ukrainian soldiers and the volunteers, however this can also have the opposite effect and this means the Ukrainian army will resist the advance of the Russian army in an even more determined way. I have seen on instagram that Ukraine witches are making spells on Putin and Moscow is planning hackers attack and they will use the renowed to hack important URLs. Where this war is heading is a serious concern and everyone should be praying for the safety and security of everyone around.
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