Extended Ranks Proposal

[Bitcoin SV]

Rank	Description	Tag
Brand New:	0 posts, gets 1 gold coin under his name.
Newbie:	(none), gets 1 gold coin under his name.
Jr. Member:	Activity: 30, gets 1 gold coin under his name.
Member:	Activity: 60, gets 2 gold coins under his name.
Full Member:	Activity: 120, gets 3 gold coins under his name.
Sr. Member:	Activity: 240, gets 4 gold coins under his name.
Hero Member:	Activity: 480, gets 5 gold coins under his name.
Legendary:	Activity: between 775 and 1030
Mega Legendary:	Activity: 1000
Super Legendary:	Activity: 5000
Ultra Legendary:	Activity: 10000

Copper Member:	Payment: 25$	90 sec. of waiting between posts
Silver Member:	Payment: 50$	25 sec. of waiting between posts
Gold Member:	Payment: 100$	10 sec. of waiting between posts

Jr. Staff		@
Staff		@@
Senior Staff		@@@

Jr. Moderator
Moderator
Senior Moderator

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[Upgrade00]

IIRC, Theymos has hinted about adding at least one new rank, and members have chipped in with suggestions for name and customization,big however this should happen, then besides an activity count there would also be a new merit requirement that one should reach to attain this new rank.

Also, I cannot think of any motivation to add other ranks available for purchase, the admin has said that the forum does not need extra funds and copper membership pretty much covers the necessities that one would need when joining the forum and if they need to advertise a little service.

[Rikafip]

IIRC, Theymos has hinted about adding at least one new rank, and members have chipped in with suggestions for name and customization,big however this should happen, then besides an activity count there would also be a new merit requirement that one should reach to attain this new rank.

He did? Can you please point me to that post?

The only thing I could find about him commenting on adding the new rank after Legendary is when he classified suggestions in Community generated suggestions to improve the forum (+ eventual voting on them) post and that specific suggestion about new rank was in the "no" group.

Anyway, I really hope that there won't be any new ranks as I don't see who would benefit from it. Maybe only people that are taking this forum way too seriously and wanna separate from others more than it is possible now.

[LeGaulois]

I wouldn't mind if there are new ranks added but I don't see how it could be beneficial (for the users and/or the forum).
You propose news ranks but you don't give arguments on why they should be added and it's the most important thing you should have mentioned to convince.

- For fun? There are a lot of better things to do here to get fun.
- To make less high-ranked users? With time, the situation will be the same, and so the forum will need again to create new ranks every X years
- To get more coins under a username? fuck that, no need to make a Christmas tree
- sec. of waiting between posts won't make a difference. I think people can wait some seconds more if they really want to post

to me, mega, ultra, super are not very innovative as name

[Welsh]

The only rank that makes sense to me, without this place becoming something you see on a gaming server with loads of different ranks, which usually just become meaningless with the more you add, would be one beyond Legendary which is reserved for the exceptional. Think 10k or even 20k merits.

IIRC, Theymos has hinted about adding at least one new rank, and members have chipped in with suggestions for name and customization,big however this should happen, then besides an activity count there would also be a new merit requirement that one should reach to attain this new rank.

Would be news to me, I'm pretty sure theymos has never commented on further ranks being added at least in favour of it, I could be wrong in that though. I think other staff might have hinted at supporting the idea.

to me, mega, ultra, super are not very innovative as name

I can't remember who proposed it first, but "mythical" was suggested before by cryptoaddictchie here, while it definitely does sound a little cheesy, I think it's the only one which I think would work in the current system. It seemed to get a little support at the time.

[OgNasty]

I'm open to ideas for a higher rank. I feel like "Legend" is too grandiose a title to give to a living person, though. Any other ideas?

I also feel the same. Reposting the same thing that I said in another thread: Legendary rank should only be given to a few, like original devs that are still active on this forum. If ANYONE can get that rank, then it detracts away from its epicness. Maybe a more fitting term for ~1k activity would be Noble or Templar.

I was looking forward to seeing what came next to top that.  I'd like to suggest "Prophet" at activity 1566 to commemorate the death of Nostradamus.

I was half kidding back when I suggested we add a “Prophet” rank and the activity level would be rather low looking back ~8 years later. A new rank would be cool though. It’s been discussed as you can see from the quote for quite some time, so I wouldn’t hold your breath. This is one of the easier things to add to the forum though, so maybe if there’s enough interest then theymos will oblige the calls for a new rank.

What would I suggest now you ask?  Bad Mother Fucker - At 4000 activity/merit

https://youtu.be/YDiRZ2xx9xI

[libert19]

^ only takes 10 years of being active everyday for 4k activity, sounds good, but I would change 'bad motherfucker' to 'Veteran' or similar as it sounds less cheesy and more reflective of reality.

A decade is a long time, most people move on by then, very few who stick around can get that shiny rank under their name.

[Little Mouse]

Instead of introducing new ranks, I would recommend more merit requirement per rank. Well it's not to make the process harder to rank up but to make it more precise. I mean 100 merit for Full Member really sounds too low and so does the above ranks.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

What would I suggest now you ask?  Bad Mother Fucker - At 4000 activity/merit

That's an idea I can get behind--not only because it'd be a much-needed (IMO) addition to the ranking system but because a title like that would showcase just how uncensored bitcointalk is.  There are forums out there--many of them, in fact--where you wouldn't even be able to write "motherfucker" in a post without having it deleted by a mod.  So I second that suggestion.

^ only takes 10 years of being active everyday for 4k activity<snip>

A decade is a long time, most people move on by then, very few who stick around can get that shiny rank under their name.

And that's why such members who do stick around long enough to earn the highest rank ought to be rewarded with such, regardless of what it's named.  Maybe 4000 activity is a bit much, but a new rank based on activity and a hard-to-achieve number of merits should at least be considered by Theymos.  I've written much the same thing every time this issue pops up.

IIRC, Theymos has hinted about adding at least one new rank<snip>

Would be news to me, I'm pretty sure theymos has never commented on further ranks being added at least in favour of it, I could be wrong in that though. I think other staff might have hinted at supporting the idea.

I don't think you're wrong; I even thought he'd rejected the idea out of hand, but there's been talk of this for so long that I lose track in my head of what Theymos's most recent opinion is on any given suggestion.  Seems like he so rarely gives one, and when he does I probably miss it.

[DdmrDdmr]

Hero and Legendary already seem pompous enough names, which are difficult to surpass without going into the realm of the gods. Adding a prefix to Legendary seems to sell short on the pompous scale …

If meeting the current Activity required for a Legendary is between 2 and 3 years roughly, meeting 5K would take over 13 years, and 10K over 27 years. Not much of an incentive in real terms, and seemingly more relatable to becoming an aged relic on the forum, so as to say.

Since the Merit System was set in motion(*), 182 Legendary members (48 from scratch) have ranked-up needing Merits in the process, and 173 Heroes (71 from scratch). Not that many considering (besides all those pre-Merit System ranked members also existing).

There could be room for additional ranks, although I wouldn’t say that there is any seemingly good reason for it beyond elevating the ego of those that would meet the requirement, at most. Currently:

73 Accounts surpass 2K Activity + 2k Merits (earned+airdropped)
7 Accounts surpass 3K Activity + 3k Merits (earned+airdropped)
1 Account surpasses 4K Activity + 4k Merits (earned+airdropped)



(*) https://public.tableau.com/views/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/Ranked-up?:language=es-ES&:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

[acroman08]

just an opinion, I think adding a new rank is unnecessary. I feel like a badge(similar to the art badge) that will be exclusive to members who reached certain merit/activity after reaching the required merit/activity for legendary would suffice.

[Rikafip]

Hero and Legendary already seem pompous enough names, which are difficult to surpass without going into the realm of the gods.

+1, while I would put "getting into the realm of bullshit" instead that bold part, as that's what making up new ranks just for the sake of it looks like to me.

Since the Merit System was set in motion(*), 182 Legendary members (48 from scratch) have ranked-up needing Merits in the process, and 173 Heroes (71 from scratch). Not that many considering (besides all those pre-Merit System ranked members also existing).

This also serves as an answer to those asking for increased merit requirement for current ranks as they don't realize that very few managed to reach Legendary rank since merit system kicked in, compared to the amount of new members.

There could be room for additional ranks, although I wouldn’t say that there is any seemingly good reason for it beyond elevating the ego of those that would meet the requirement, at most.

This sums it up really, its all about the ego and that's the one thing I noticed on all forums; after they spend a lot of time on some forum, some people start taking it way too seriously and even substituting real life accomplishment with the forum ones. I am not saying that all people asking for more ranks are doing that, but I've experienced that more than once in the real life.


All these demands for the extra titles, ranks, badges and whatnot reminds me of the image below. Do we really need that? 

[Bitcoin SV]

You propose news ranks but you don't give arguments on why they should be added and it's the most important thing you should have mentioned to convince.

Conservation of current system of ranks is a direct path to degradation. Many reaching Legendary rank lose motivation for further useful deeds.

People need in development

A long time ago Legendary rank sounded proud and divine. But now Legendary rank means nothing. Some farmers pump this rank in a short time. This rank has turned into something like a Newbie


-I am God
-Yo're not a God
-Blasphemy
https://youtu.be/lNwzawXu4v8?t=55

[hugeblack]

If we think about it well, adding more ranks may increase the work of mods because it means an increase in the number of posts and thus an increase in the possibility of spamming.

The only beneficiary will be the signature campaigns, as it means that it is easy to distinguish high-ranking accounts with the possibility of giving them a little more money than the rest of other members.

Currently there is no point to add more ranks, perhaps it is better to focus on getting things like a custom title, new Positions (like VIP, Donator) a special star and so on.

Currently, there is no difference between a hero and a legendary member.

[Welsh]

I'm not a massive advocate for a new rank, neither do I care about status that much, and there's plenty of others that don't, but there are definitely users on this forum which are motivated by this sort of thing, and that could potentially be good for the forum. I do definitely see the downsides, and I definitely don't think the forum needs a new rank, but if implemented correctly it could potentially contribute positively to the forum. What the criteria should be I don't really know.

As long as we don't become like one of those gaming servers like I pointed out earlier.

If meeting the current Activity required for a Legendary is between 2 and 3 years roughly, meeting 5K would take over 13 years, and 10K over 27 years. Not much of an incentive in real terms, and seemingly more relatable to becoming an aged relic on the forum, so as to say.

Then it's decided, the new rank will be called "fossil" or "part of the furniture" .

Since the Merit System was set in motion(*), 182 Legendary members (48 from scratch) have ranked-up needing Merits in the process, and 173 Heroes (71 from scratch). Not that many considering (besides all those pre-Merit System ranked members also existing).

Maybe, earned merit could be a contributing factor to getting a certain rank, might potentially increase the motivation for users to get more merit that they earned, I don't know.

This sums it up really, its all about the ego and that's the one thing I noticed on all forums; after they spend a lot of time on some forum, some people start taking it way too seriously and even substituting real life accomplishment with the forum ones. I am not saying that all people asking for more ranks are doing that, but I've experienced that more than once in the real life.

While it definitely is something that artificially changes the way users act, it does actually provide motivation. When there's a limited rank that only a select few will ever reach, then some genuine users will be motivated by that. Unfortunately, you do have the flip side, where the status hungry users then try their absolute hardest, despite it potentially being detrimental to the forum.There's pros, and definitely cons to adding an exclusive type of rank.

[Lucius]

Many reaching Legendary rank lose motivation for further useful deeds.

The one who is motivated only by some new rank is on the wrong forum, because rank does not make anyone better or worse, some other things are much more important.


I understand that it is important for some to be prominent and different from others, whether they have earned 5000 or 10 000 merits, or made 100 000 good reports - but we do not need new ranks for that, each such member can get a special badge, maybe change the color of the coins below the name  - and for those who have been on the forum for more than 10 years and have been active in the last 1 year, recognition could be given by adding the word "veteran" to the profile.

[Bitcoin SV]

just an opinion, I think adding a new rank is unnecessary.

Well, I'll look at you when the user's activity & merit achievements starts to get close to the marks above 9000

All these demands for the extra titles, ranks, badges and whatnot reminds me of the image below. Do we really need that?  

Do not exaggerate, but it's looking good

[Maestro75]

The new ranks from the table above looks bogus with the so many gold coins attached to them. They look funny with that. What we have at present is only a gold coin difference to the next rank and that makes it very easy to understand and interpret. Beside that, the suggested new ranks all have Legendary to their names. That makes it absurd. If there will be new ranks they should have new names. Ranking up to legendary is not easy to achieve. Yes, those who already are there will think it is easy and I guess that is why they think Theymos should increase the stakes.

[Bitcoin SV]

The new ranks from the table above looks bogus with the so many gold coins attached to them.

Fixed

Mega Legendary:	Activity: 1000
Super Legendary:	Activity: 5000
Ultra Legendary:	Activity: 10000

[Jet Cash]

This is a Bitcoin forum. I think it would be useful to know how many members actually believe in Bitcoin. Maybe a badge for all members who hold more than a certain level of Bitcoin. Perhaps 0.1 would be useful at its current value.