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[decodx]

But who do you think will be able to say a country will need a democracy? 
What works in another country will not work for all because of the culture. North Korea had been that way for generations, the people there are used to it same with China or Iraq, or Libya.

Exactly. Each country should be able to choose its own path. Even Ukraine, don't you think? Perhaps someone should tell that to Putin.
Using double standards and completely ignoring a country's and a people's right to choose their own path while giving examples that fit your theory is absurd.

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[swogerino]

Do you really believe in sanctions? Tell me how change the politics in North Korea or Iran? They are much smaller then Russia but i don`t see how their leaders cry and change politics. And when we are talking about North Korea - this country has no any resources and no possibilities to make problems to USA or EU but sanctions does not work even with such small country. Why do you think they will work with Russia?

The  two countries you made mentioned are two different things to be compare to Russia. First North Korea has been into autocratic system of government and with the fact that media and the west painting them red flags, half of the country haven't one day say they need democracy and so do Iran with theocracy where things might be hard for you to stay in.
Russia is a fully democratic system where everyone is open to right to freedom and live their life to the fullest, those sanctions may not work Iran and North Korea but it will greatly have negative effects on Russians, Chelsea owner is facing the heat right now.

I find it really hard to believe that Russia is a fully democratic system when everything there is controlled by the government,they even have a really big distort reality they live in their own fantasy there and tell their citizens a lot and I mean a lot of bullshit like they are going to save Ukraine when Ukraine does not at all need to be saved,by the way save from whom the nazi in the Russian government fantasy?

The sanctions will work but their effects will not be felt directly,they need time and I am sorry for Russian civilians but they choose their government and not anyone else if they are a "fully democratic country".The Russians hopefully will wake up when they see the effect of the sanctions and start a rage against Putin.

[FatFork]

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Do you really believe in sanctions? Tell me how change the politics in North Korea or Iran? They are much smaller then Russia but i don`t see how their leaders cry and change politics. And when we are talking about North Korea - this country has no any resources and no possibilities to make problems to USA or EU but sanctions does not work even with such small country. Why do you think they will work with Russia?

It doesn't matter what I believe. I don't have the power to make such decisions.

As I have already said, the real sanctions against the Russian people will come not from the West but from their government and Putin's regime. This is not rocket science, people in the former Soviet Union lived in poverty and deprivation for decades. The Russians are a tough and capable people, but without the blessing of the international community, they will surely suffer more and more from the degeneration of the Russian economy.

[goldkingcoiner]

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I don't think that the sanctions can make people angry and this anger can be redirected to the countries who impose the sanctions, In contrast the sanctions may have the huge impact on citizens whose anger can be redirected to the authorities inside the sanctioned countries and as I mentioned its the aim of sanctions. Other countries don't worry about  ,,angry citizens'' outside their country.

Yes, sanctions and boycotts can make people angry, or at least uncomfortable, but the real question is whether they will persuade Putin to reverse his policies. It is apparent that Putin's regime keeps the people on a tight leash and will use sanctions as an excuse to keep them in line.

The real sanctions against the Russian people come from their government's policies. It may be that Western sanctions will make some people feel discomfort, but at the end of the day, the real suffering comes from the Kremlin's policies, not from the sanctions. As such, they will only bring more anger and alienation to the citizenry, and ultimately, lead to greater demonstrations and protests, creating even greater public discontent.

Well we should not forget that we are talking about sanctions of RUSSIAN GAMBLING PLATFORMS in the form of unstrategic and uncoordinated collective boycotts. It should bear reminding that even though sanctions can steer the people to go against their government, it can also have the reverse effect. Especially if you consider all the psychological propaganda that people are exposed to in Russia. Lets not underestimate what propaganda can do to the human mind.

But as I have already mentioned, this is about online gambling platforms. Which means this is a digital service. A digital service which can be sold under a different name under a different server.

How do you boycott an online gambling service?

[Taskford]

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You see my friend, Russia was prepared else they would have stopped their troops when delegates were sent to make peace but even within that period, they were still penetrating the Ukraine. I'm really looking how this sanctions will end though it doesn't make sense for the innocent business to suffer because a leader was mislead by his factions.
Many people depend on their business to feed, give sanctions to the persons holding power and not the man who see politics as a dirty game.

They know how they can create impact to the world that's why their government is so confident about their action towards Ukraine and look what happen to gas price now its sky rocketing and if this war continue for sure the influence of Russia will dominate this and maybe we can see the inflation rate of many countries will became more higher because the gas price is so high and uncontrollable at the moment. I do hope those sanctions will not create another huge conflict between other country so that we will see this war ends.

^ It is now getting worst, they cut down their global internet access.
This should not happen if the Russian president is not a selfish leader, look at their citizens now it suffered from this decision that they even don't like or don't know. It is becoming expected that the economy get worst and worst when the war will continue and Putin will not lower his pride. People, there should boycott against this leadership, everything has been affected, businesses like the gambling industry and the entire economic growth on each country.

There are group of hackers are attacking there system so maybe this contribute on their decision to disconnect in the world. And I don't think this will really help because its like their citizen is slowly living like north korean life. Also they cannot boycott their government right now because Putin is so strict imposing the law which is favor to him. Maybe both countries should lower down their prides so that they can return back the freedom of each countries.

[iv4n]

I find it really hard to believe that Russia is a fully democratic system when everything there is controlled by the government,they even have a really big distort reality they live in their own fantasy there and tell their citizens a lot and I mean a lot of bullshit like they are going to save Ukraine when Ukraine does not at all need to be saved,by the way save from whom the nazi in the Russian government fantasy?

I find it really hard to believe that any country in this world is fully democratic! Governments do that, they are controlling everything everywhere, how they think it's the best for them and the group of people in power, and I am sure that all governments (with big help from all sorts of media) are painting the reality of their citizens!

Well, when bombs were dropping on my head nobody said that NATO is the aggressor, I knew some guys from football who died during that time, I was 15 years old! Nis Cluster Bombing
The bottom line, all aggressors should be treated equally, but that's not the case, is it!? My childhood was in wars and sanctions, unimaginable inflation, and all other bullshit that comes from that... Now I don't trust any government, I saw their evil face and I felt their wrath, in some way each of them is responsible for the big shit we have around the world with all the things they did or did not do!
And in the 21st-century people still choose sides, it doesn't seem to matter that we all know that nothing good will happen from evil things that are done, but people still choose to take a stone in their hand and shoot someone! As Putin cannot be reached (or other rulers, there are many of them that should be moved from their chair), let's target all the people around him, so they will turn against him?! So is that normal?! Is that how we should teach our children to be rude to vent their anger on everyone around them!? I refuse to be like that!

[Mauser]

Do you really believe in sanctions? Tell me how change the politics in North Korea or Iran? They are much smaller then Russia but i don`t see how their leaders cry and change politics. And when we are talking about North Korea - this country has no any resources and no possibilities to make problems to USA or EU but sanctions does not work even with such small country. Why do you think they will work with Russia?

Yes I believe that sanctions work. Sanctions are put in place to hurt the economy of a country. We could see the effect after USA announced the sanctions on Russia, the Rubel dropped 30% instantly. I am sure that if there were no sanctions on Iran or North Korea than their economy would be much stronger today. Just compare south and north Korea, one a free market capitalist country, the other one a closed of country. Sanctions prohibit companies to do business freely, there will also be a cost for the country that issues the sanctions.
The question is however, if the sanctions are helpful in changing the course of a country, or if they make things worse. In theory international sanctions reduce the economy, which in return should make its population unhappy to create pressure on the politicians to change their course. For some sanctions is this true, but if the sanctions become to severe it will create anger and resentment towards the foreign country. In Russia a few people decide the fate of the country, but with the sanctions all the people are hurting.

[Maslate]

Do you really believe in sanctions? Tell me how change the politics in North Korea or Iran? They are much smaller then Russia but i don`t see how their leaders cry and change politics. And when we are talking about North Korea - this country has no any resources and no possibilities to make problems to USA or EU but sanctions does not work even with such small country. Why do you think they will work with Russia?

Yes I believe that sanctions work. Sanctions are put in place to hurt the economy of a country. We could see the effect after USA announced the sanctions on Russia, the Rubel dropped 30% instantly. I am sure that if there were no sanctions on Iran or North Korea than their economy would be much stronger today. Just compare south and north Korea, one a free market capitalist country, the other one a closed of country. Sanctions prohibit companies to do business freely, there will also be a cost for the country that issues the sanctions.
The question is however, if the sanctions are helpful in changing the course of a country, or if they make things worse. In theory international sanctions reduce the economy, which in return should make its population unhappy to create pressure on the politicians to change their course. For some sanctions is this true, but if the sanctions become to severe it will create anger and resentment towards the foreign country. In Russia a few people decide the fate of the country, but with the sanctions all the people are hurting.

The sanction would hurt the economy but if Russia had allied countries who can provide what they need, it shouldn't be a big problem. And besides, Russia before their action is surely studying the possible result already and because they did this, I would like to think that they are so ready with the outcome or whatever sanction they may have.

In the end, it's all about how the allies would help them as for sure those who help will also be sanctioned by big countries like the USA.

Also, don't forget that USA is not as powerful as they were before, we have big countries now like China who are competing globally.

[mak013]

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It doesn't matter what I believe. I don't have the power to make such decisions.

As I have already said, the real sanctions against the Russian people will come not from the West but from their government and Putin's regime. This is not rocket science, people in the former Soviet Union lived in poverty and deprivation for decades. The Russians are a tough and capable people, but without the blessing of the international community, they will surely suffer more and more from the degeneration of the Russian economy.

I don`t think that Russian people believe that their government blocked ApplePay (for example). Except rocket science there are other industries in that Russia as strong and it can become a problem to the West. But we can discuss for a long time and not come to a consensus, just after several months we will see who is right. So let`s wait and see.
So, i`m stop offtopic, let`s return to casinos.

[Maestro75]

As I said, the boycott of business or cultural events is to have an impact on Russian society. When the Russian society feels that they are in very uncomfortable situation and even cause financial losses due to the government actions, society will put pressure on the government to stop that actions. It makes sense to me, and I support it.

It makes sense to you because you do not own or run any business in Russia. Think beyond this and think of what those who do not like Putin but own businesses in Russia whose businesses are now sanctioned will be faced with now. Putin is a dictator despite that he was elected into office, and you think he will not go after anyone who will go on the streets to protest against him because of the imposed sanctions? That man is capable of killing anything that stands as barrier to him.

[Mauser]

It makes sense to you because you do not own or run any business in Russia. Think beyond this and think of what those who do not like Putin but own businesses in Russia whose businesses are now sanctioned will be faced with now. Putin is a dictator despite that he was elected into office, and you think he will not go after anyone who will go on the streets to protest against him because of the imposed sanctions? That man is capable of killing anything that stands as barrier to him.

This is exactly my concern, in Russia not everybody is supporting Putin. The official approval rate of Putin was around 70%, which is of course not a correct number. So even in the worst case 30% are not supporting Putin and will still be hit hard by the sanctions. It's easy for us from the West to say that people should stand up to Putin, even if that leads to getting beaten up and worst case spend 10 years in jail.
The billionaires and oligarchs still have most of their money in Russia, they might lose some yachts, international money and properties. But their lifestyle within Russia probably won't charge much. It's the average citizen that is hurting he most. And will the sanctions really help and make them stand up to Putin or will they get angry at the West instead? I think there is a big possibilities that the sanctions backfire and make more people angry against the West. Which will push Russia even further into a corner.
I am against this war and hope that the peace deals will lead to a ceasefire soon.

[mdzahed134]

Russia is banned by Fifa and Uefa which I'm really upset with. Why the fuck they have to do dirty politics with sports?
Where was Fifa when other dominating countries had dominated some countries, I'm talking about few years back.
I really don't support this. I agree that what Russia is doing is bad, I strongly oppose any war around. But that doesn’t mean we have to ignore their casinos.

Right, when i heard this news i was also very disappointed as football is my favorite. And i think there should be no political affiliation with the sports/football. Most provably very popular football club owner Roman Abramovich also has been banned,  Maybe due to this reason he announced to sell this club to donate for Ukraine. 

[rhomelmabini]

Russia is banned by Fifa and Uefa which I'm really upset with. Why the fuck they have to do dirty politics with sports?
Where was Fifa when other dominating countries had dominated some countries, I'm talking about few years back.
I really don't support this. I agree that what Russia is doing is bad, I strongly oppose any war around. But that doesn’t mean we have to ignore their casinos.

Right, when i heard this news i was also very disappointed as football is my favorite. And i think there should be no political affiliation with the sports/football. Most provably very popular football club owner Roman Abramovich also has been banned,  Maybe due to this reason he announced to sell this club to donate for Ukraine. 

We can't really argue on what's the sentiment for now as it's likely the consensus of the majority but this whole thing will never end up if sanctions and boycotting techniques will just continue. I mean there's no end to this if this is the process, it will just create more chaos since some may not partly agree or disagree to what are others was doing, it will just create disharmony.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

As I said, the boycott of business or cultural events is to have an impact on Russian society. When the Russian society feels that they are in very uncomfortable situation and even cause financial losses due to the government actions, society will put pressure on the government to stop that actions. It makes sense to me, and I support it.

It makes sense to you because you do not own or run any business in Russia. Think beyond this and think of what those who do not like Putin but own businesses in Russia whose businesses are now sanctioned will be faced with now. Putin is a dictator despite that he was elected into office, and you think he will not go after anyone who will go on the streets to protest against him because of the imposed sanctions? That man is capable of killing anything that stands as barrier to him.

Exactly the point I made here earlier, not everyone in Russia likes putin, and all this people own businesses, they are against what putin is doing but can't really do much other than to protest, and protesting also means risking their lives cus as @maestro75 said above, putin will not hesitate to go after anyone who will want to stand in his way, this man has also killed many Russians citizens if we begin to look deep into it.
This people are already suffering in the hands of putin and are forced to keep quiet, boycotting their businesses which is their only means of livelihood I still believe is not ideal, except we can identify those who are supporting putin, then this ones are the ones that really deserve the boycotting.

[Fortify]

It makes sense to you because you do not own or run any business in Russia. Think beyond this and think of what those who do not like Putin but own businesses in Russia whose businesses are now sanctioned will be faced with now. Putin is a dictator despite that he was elected into office, and you think he will not go after anyone who will go on the streets to protest against him because of the imposed sanctions? That man is capable of killing anything that stands as barrier to him.

This is exactly my concern, in Russia not everybody is supporting Putin. The official approval rate of Putin was around 70%, which is of course not a correct number. So even in the worst case 30% are not supporting Putin and will still be hit hard by the sanctions. It's easy for us from the West to say that people should stand up to Putin, even if that leads to getting beaten up and worst case spend 10 years in jail.
The billionaires and oligarchs still have most of their money in Russia, they might lose some yachts, international money and properties. But their lifestyle within Russia probably won't charge much. It's the average citizen that is hurting he most. And will the sanctions really help and make them stand up to Putin or will they get angry at the West instead? I think there is a big possibilities that the sanctions backfire and make more people angry against the West. Which will push Russia even further into a corner.
I am against this war and hope that the peace deals will lead to a ceasefire soon.

We're in very dangerous times right now and as you point out, even though Putin's approval rating looks high it is impossible to take any of these internal Russian polls seriously - it is effectively putting citizens on trial if they answer negatively about him. While I agree with all the action that has been taken against Russia so far and they are in for a whole world of economic pain, because they choose to invade then murder their neighbors, there are going to be long lasting repercussions that reverberate around the world. Russia has isolated itself through these terrible actions, but that makes it harder for Putin the fool to see a way out and might make him prone to even more dangerous actions - what a confusing situation we're left in.

[Renampun]

Why Ukarine allies are boycotting Russia at all levels now? Where were they when USA, NATO and EU were bombing innocent civilians in Afghanistan, iraq, Libeya and Syria. Does only white life matters? This world only has dual faces and they care only for there interest. Nobody carea for cancer patients in countries where USA bombed.

I see from what happened between ukraine and russia is a humanitarian crisis...

I'm not defending the united states, it's just that what they are doing in afghanistan and syria is to fight the terrorists, if no one is against them then no other country cares about it. back to topic, i don't support any boycott aimed at gambling platforms from russia because they don't have any role in this war, they are also victims and to the putin dictatorship.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Russia is banned by Fifa and Uefa which I'm really upset with. Why the fuck they have to do dirty politics with sports?
Where was Fifa when other dominating countries had dominated some countries, I'm talking about few years back.
I really don't support this. I agree that what Russia is doing is bad, I strongly oppose any war around. But that doesn’t mean we have to ignore their casinos.

Right, when i heard this news i was also very disappointed as football is my favorite. And i think there should be no political affiliation with the sports/football. Most provably very popular football club owner Roman Abramovich also has been banned,  Maybe due to this reason he announced to sell this club to donate for Ukraine. 

We can't really argue on what's the sentiment for now as it's likely the consensus of the majority but this whole thing will never end up if sanctions and boycotting techniques will just continue. I mean there's no end to this if this is the process, it will just create more chaos since some may not partly agree or disagree to what are others was doing, it will just create disharmony.

It is no secret to anyone that bans are a nuisance, especially when they come from a government system that has threatened the world, however sports and bookmakers also have sanctions because they come as a result of the same conflict, I know that many Russians are not to blame, they are against the war, but it is very difficult for those voices to be heard, it is not a lie that Russia is currently having a great economic conflict, many of the people are desperate queuing in the banks to withdraw cash and quickly convert it to fiat, where buying a dollar represents many rubles.

Due to this, the problem extends to all possible scenarios, which is why the sanctions are to remove all access to the Russians as a measure of pressure on the government and demand the cessation of attacks, this leads to blockades in casinos and entertainment, not I know to what extent VPNs are viable in Russia, but I think it's a good option.

[michellee]

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Well, hopefully, the fires of war can be extinguished soon so that no one else will suffer. When Instagram is banned in Russia and people can move their data to the Russian Platform, Instagram can get a new rival because Russian products can dominate the market by providing more convenience to its users. In addition, if the Russian platform can develop better than other products, there is a possibility that it can shift Instagram's position.

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I think there is a political interest behind all the happenings in this world so we might judge it unfair to other countries when they get almost the same treatment. But well, we can't do anything because it's all beyond our reach as ordinary people. We can only hope that everything will be fine and continue to live well.

[redsun114]

Thank goodness that my favourite places (the casino where I play) are not in the list. If it's included, I think I will think twice if I will boycott it or not. I am not planning on adding more casinos on my list so don't worry op. I only knew few casinos in the list but the one that is popular and active in the forum is 1xbit.

I believe that many users are going to avoid this casino not because they are in with the boycott but only to feel safe because the casino have some serious complaints in the past that until now are not resolved yet. Not sure if it's a good thing to boycott Russians because I heard that even Russians now are concerned with the Ukrainians and most of them now are expressing it in the form of crypto donations.

[btc78]

As I said, the boycott of business or cultural events is to have an impact on Russian society. When the Russian society feels that they are in very uncomfortable situation and even cause financial losses due to the government actions, society will put pressure on the government to stop that actions. It makes sense to me, and I support it.

It makes sense to you because you do not own or run any business in Russia. Think beyond this and think of what those who do not like Putin but own businesses in Russia whose businesses are now sanctioned will be faced with now. Putin is a dictator despite that he was elected into office, and you think he will not go after anyone who will go on the streets to protest against him because of the imposed sanctions? That man is capable of killing anything that stands as barrier to him.

But government has their own interests and they begin a war with an intention and stop the war when they think it is right time to do that. So many countries were destroyed, so many innocent lives were lost in the hand of war master and when was the result? They are still in the attacking position and they will keep doing this in coming day - there is no stopping!

I understand your point here because Super countries want wars to happen so they can sell Guns and Ammunitions in which will make their economy High again and I know one of that Country that has this attitude even before .

So you are also correct that this will never stop instead will continue happens in the years come by.

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and about our action here , are we really helping something or someone by this Boycotting ?