Economic sanctions are not a war declaration

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Sanctions against Russia are unprecedented and very painful (no one in the world lost $300 billion of their reserves overnight).

This is what you call painful? Tell her about unprecedentness and pain

It is unfortunate that Russia's operation is fraught with humanitarian risk for the civilian population, and it is doubly unfortunate when children suffer from the inability of diplomats and politicians to agree. For many years, Russia, together with Germany and France, have been making efforts to implement the Minsk agreements to overcome the humanitarian crisis in the Donbass, where tens and hundreds of children and thousands of civilians have died in eight years of shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Ukraine stubbornly sabotaged the Minsk agreements and Russia decided to use force in response to the request of the self-proclaimed people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, which Russia recognized as independent states in late February. For eight years, Ukraine has been committing genocide against its own people, and Russia has decided to stop this by demilitarizing Ukraine. When the operation is over, Russia will help and actively participate in the restoration of everything destroyed. Russian sappers have already begun clearing minefields in demilitarized territories so as not to miss the sowing campaign and not aggravate the threat of famine, primarily in Africa, which depends on food supplies from this region.

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[Mometaskers]

I don't know about Russia's retaliatory capabilities against countries that don't border them but Putin will likely try something.

Putin today announced the sale of gas for rubles to unfriendly countries.

Yeah just saw that. I suppose this will dissuade some of their gas customers from joining the NATO sanctions.

That plus KSA selling oil to China for Yuans, guess the petrodollar is really coming to a close.

I don't know about Russia's retaliatory capabilities against countries that don't border them but Putin will likely try something.

Putin today announced the sale of gas for rubles to unfriendly countries.

Putin could easily force Gazprom to sell their euros at any rate he wants. The only reason to try to force e.g. Germany to do it is to basically renege on the contract - I bet the rate he wants will be something ludicrous and not the current market rate. Essentially he wants more euros, not rubles.

Yeah I suppose he does need money actually coming in.

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Yeah I suppose he does need money actually coming in.

Today the Central Bank of Russia introduced its counter-sanction. Earlier, the authorities, in response to Western sanctions, had already banned the sale of securities by foreign investors and the withdrawal of funds from the Russian financial system. “In addition, payments on the corporate debt of Russian companies and government debt to debt holders from countries that support sanctions against Russia will only take place with the permission of the government commission. That is, in response to the freezing of part of Russian reserves, Russia also introduced restrictions on the movement of funds, which could be transferred to unfriendly countries for a comparable amount," he Bank of Russia points out.

That is, in response to any attempts by the West to withdraw money from Russia in the amount of up to $ 300 billion, instead of money, investors will be issued promissory notes with instructions to pay them from the funds of the Central Bank of Russia frozen by sanctions. The problem with the West is that it has never fully understood the Russian mentality. You can't steal $300 billion without consequences.

[TheCoinGrabber]

I guess he just have to double-down. If they're not doing business with Russia then he would probably retaliate by withholding access to gas and oil. Those that are buying those fuel from them would be forced to pay in ruble if they hop into the sanction bandwagon.

[PrimeNumber7]

I don't know about Russia's retaliatory capabilities against countries that don't border them but Putin will likely try something.

Putin today announced the sale of gas for rubles to unfriendly countries.

What kind of nonsense is this? There is no reason why Putin would want more Rubles? The Ruble is worthless and Putin has the ability to print an unlimited supply of Rubles.

I guess he just have to double-down. If they're not doing business with Russia then he would probably retaliate by withholding access to gas and oil.

Putin cannot actually follow through on threats to stop selling oil and gas. This is how Putin is financing the war. If Putin stops selling Russian energy to the West, he will quickly run out of money.

Putin's best bet is to threaten to withhold Russian energy from Europe to coerce them into lifting other sanctions, and into stopping supporting Ukraine militarily.

[suchmoon]

That is, in response to any attempts by the West to withdraw money from Russia in the amount of up to $ 300 billion, instead of money, investors will be issued promissory notes with instructions to pay them from the funds of the Central Bank of Russia frozen by sanctions. The problem with the West is that it has never fully understood the Russian mentality. You can't steal $300 billion without consequences.

Russia was already expected to default on it's debt as soon as next month. The desperate attempt to cover it up with "promissory notes" is quite comical.

[be.open]

That is, in response to any attempts by the West to withdraw money from Russia in the amount of up to $ 300 billion, instead of money, investors will be issued promissory notes with instructions to pay them from the funds of the Central Bank of Russia frozen by sanctions. The problem with the West is that it has never fully understood the Russian mentality. You can't steal $300 billion without consequences.

Russia was already expected to default on it's debt as soon as next month. The desperate attempt to cover it up with "promissory notes" is quite comical.

Putin declared the freezing of funds of the Central Bank of Russia the default of the West and carried out a soft nationalization without causing internal protest from his voters. This is a strong move.

[PrimeNumber7]

That is, in response to any attempts by the West to withdraw money from Russia in the amount of up to $ 300 billion, instead of money, investors will be issued promissory notes with instructions to pay them from the funds of the Central Bank of Russia frozen by sanctions. The problem with the West is that it has never fully understood the Russian mentality. You can't steal $300 billion without consequences.

Russia was already expected to default on it's debt as soon as next month. The desperate attempt to cover it up with "promissory notes" is quite comical.

Putin declared the freezing of funds of the Central Bank of Russia the default of the West and carried out a soft nationalization without causing internal protest from his voters. This is a strong move.

Putin does not have any voters. He is a dictator.

Putin prevented debts from being paid to the west in order to avoid running out of money that he has access to.

[suchmoon]

Putin declared the freezing of funds of the Central Bank of Russia the default of the West and carried out a soft nationalization without causing internal protest from his voters. This is a strong move.

AKA propaganda with no actual economic impact.

[paxmao]

Sanctions against Russia are unprecedented and very painful (no one in the world lost $300 billion of their reserves overnight).

This is what you call painful? Tell her about unprecedentness and pain

It is unfortunate that Russia's operation is fraught with humanitarian risk for the civilian population, and it is doubly unfortunate when children suffer from the inability of diplomats and politicians to agree.

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I just can't believe that you just tried to white-wash the killing of children.

As it is "unfortunate" that many young Russian soldiers have to die in vain for the delusions of a septuagenarian. As it is "unfortunate" that so many Russians - many not supporting Putin - will have hardship and poverty when no decent company would want to be in Russia nor touch their exports.

But most of all, I encourage you, so supportive of the war, to go there yourself. I am sure that you will be a fierce combatant in the name of Putin and will not care about the "unfortunate risks" that you may encounter along the way. You see, it is quite different from throwing shit-talk behind a keyboard where the only risk is to twist your fingers or, worst case, starting to really believe your own bullshit.

Putin declared the freezing of funds of the Central Bank of Russia the default of the West and carried out a soft nationalization without causing internal protest from his voters. This is a strong move.

AKA propaganda with no actual economic impact.

It is starting to look quite pathetic. It must be difficult to be in the propaganda directorate under Putin... perhaps we should ask a few people around this thread how things are going in the company.

[Etranger]

Sanctions against Russia are unprecedented and very painful (no one in the world lost $300 billion of their reserves overnight).

This is what you call painful? Tell her about unprecedentness and pain

It is unfortunate that Russia's operation is fraught with humanitarian risk for the civilian population, and it is doubly unfortunate when children suffer from the inability of diplomats and politicians to agree.

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I just can't believe that you just tried to white-wash the killing of children.

As it is "unfortunate" that some many young Russian soldiers have to die in vain for the delusions of a septuagenarian. As it is "unfortunate" that so many Russians - many not supporting Putin - will have hardship and poverty when no decent company would want to be in Russia nor touch their exports.

But most of all, I encourage you, so supportive of the war, to go there yourself. I am sure that you will be a fierce combatant in the name of Putin and will not care about the "unfortunate risks" that you may encounter along the way.

I have already offered this putin’s fan to do this. But he prefers to sit in his nice chair, surrounded by security and just look to how his “great” army provides “denazification” of Ukrainian maternity houses, children’s hospitals and civil buildings.

[be.open]

Sanctions against Russia are unprecedented and very painful (no one in the world lost $300 billion of their reserves overnight).

This is what you call painful? Tell her about unprecedentness and pain

It is unfortunate that Russia's operation is fraught with humanitarian risk for the civilian population, and it is doubly unfortunate when children suffer from the inability of diplomats and politicians to agree.

...

I just can't believe that you just tried to white-wash the killing of children.

As it is "unfortunate" that many young Russian soldiers have to die in vain for the delusions of a septuagenarian. As it is "unfortunate" that so many Russians - many not supporting Putin - will have hardship and poverty when no decent company would want to be in Russia nor touch their exports.

But most of all, I encourage you, so supportive of the war, to go there yourself. I am sure that you will be a fierce combatant in the name of Putin and will not care about the "unfortunate risks" that you may encounter along the way. You see, it is quite different from throwing shit-talk behind a keyboard where the only risk is to twist your fingers or, worst case, starting to really believe your own bullshit.

Please don't stoop to cheap demagogic tricks while talking to me, thank you. The US has justified the death of 500,000 children in Iraq, even though it never found the weapons of mass destruction it claimed to have as a pretext for an invasion. The United States is also responsible for what is happening now in Ukraine. It was they who organized the Maidan in Kyiv, cultivated nationalist and anti-Russian sentiments for years, overthrew the legitimate president, supplied and continue to supply weapons to Ukraine. Inciting instability in the region is beneficial for the United States - it weakens Russia and destroys a competitor in the form of the European Union, and also alleviates its own economic crisis by pushing investors to flee to the US dollar and US Treasury bonds, which are otherwise unattractive due to negative yields amid inflation. Putin told Biden when they met in December 2021 "the red line is here, don't cross it." Biden ignored Putin because it benefits him.

There are 24 ways to lure a sleeping bear out of its lair, but there is no way to bring it back.

[cabron]

It's a war between 2 dictators of Ukraine and Russia but in reality, it's US vs Russia. We all know the story of this which could have been avoided if the US just didn't go to Ukraine making Zelenskyy a pawn. Pity the guy which he could have been hailed great if he were a true dictator who stands his own ground without someone dictating him but seem still a lapdog of Biden.

I think it's just how the council sees it. Putin is also sanctioning countries that are not friendly to Russia to which they have to use Ruble to buy gas. That's one kind of sanction that also pumped the ruble price.

If you are from US side and will be sanctioned by China to close down the manufacturing companies of the US like Apple and etc, they could actually do that. Will that be considered a declaration of war?

[suchmoon]

It's a war between 2 dictators

LOL fucking hell... brain damage from too much TV is a real thing apparently.

I know "election" is a foreign concept in Russia but if wikipedia is not banned yet - read up on it.

This obsession with strongman personality is mostly responsible for the shithole Russia finds itself in right now. OTOH - take out Zelensky and Ukrainians would probably fight even harder because their fight isn't about one person.

[be.open]

Putin declared the freezing of funds of the Central Bank of Russia the default of the West and carried out a soft nationalization without causing internal protest from his voters. This is a strong move.

AKA propaganda with no actual economic impact.

I do not agree. Popular support for Putin has grown significantly since the start of the special operation in Ukraine, and now he is supported by 70-80% of Russians. It would be much more difficult for Putin to achieve his goals without the support of the population. Support for Biden in the US is now at an all-time low and does not exceed 40% of the population. European politicians feel even less confident - Europeans are already being offered not just to start saving, but they really face the prospect of freezing next winter.

[af_newbie]

Putin declared the freezing of funds of the Central Bank of Russia the default of the West and carried out a soft nationalization without causing internal protest from his voters. This is a strong move.

AKA propaganda with no actual economic impact.

I do not agree. Popular support for Putin has grown significantly since the start of the special operation in Ukraine, and now he is supported by 70-80% of Russians. It would be much more difficult for Putin to achieve his goals without the support of the population. Support for Biden in the US is now at an all-time low and does not exceed 40% of the population. European politicians feel even less confident - Europeans are already being offered not just to start saving, but they really face the prospect of freezing next winter.

In a month, Putin's popularity will reach 100%. And the economic fallout will be blamed on the Nazi West.

Closed borders and a military draft will follow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHomETco0MI

[Etranger]

I do not agree. Popular support for Putin has grown significantly since the start of the special operation in Ukraine, and now he is supported by 70-80% of Russians. It would be much more difficult for Putin to achieve his goals without the support of the population.

Oh,  yeah, totally agree with you.. That is why I want to throw up when somebody tells this war is only guilt of Putin, because only him is a mad dictator, and poor russians don’t want this at all, they are just so afraid to fight back. All this is  a bullshit. If there were normal people in this roten country, they have moved away years ago. People, who are leaving now, this several thousands, are not opposing power, they are just cowards, who started to leave the sinking ship. Some of them were really supporting their sachem so far it has not had any negative consequences for them.  If it was due to their conscious position or disagreement with the government, they would have done this much earlier, because this war against Ukraine didn’t begin suddenly, it was prepared for years, only blind ones could miss all this preparations. That is why, every single russian is responsible for the terror their government and their army brought to my land. Most of them openly support huilo’s “political” actions, the rest of them are doing nothing to stop this horror, it means that they are responsible for criminal inaction.

[be.open]

In a month, Putin's popularity will reach 100%. And the economic fallout will be blamed on the Nazi West.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Closed borders and a military draft will follow.

But this is your wet fantasy. I do not see the prerequisites for mass mobilization in Russia; professional military personnel are doing their job quite well. Yesterday there was a report of the Russian Ministry of Defense for the month of the operation, and the whole world was surprised to note the accuracy and transparency of official data. And here is the opinion of a member of the right-wing radical organization "Fundamentals of the Future" about the fighters of the defense, actively practicing "friendly fire". With such friends, Ukraine does not need enemies, you yourself will shoot each other there.

I do not agree. Popular support for Putin has grown significantly since the start of the special operation in Ukraine, and now he is supported by 70-80% of Russians. It would be much more difficult for Putin to achieve his goals without the support of the population.

Oh,  yeah, totally agree with you.. That is why I want to throw up when somebody tells this war is only guilt of Putin, because only him is a mad dictator, and poor russians don’t want this at all, they are just so afraid to fight back. All this is  a bullshit. If there were normal people in this roten country, they have moved away years ago. People, who are leaving now, this several thousands, are not opposing power, they are just cowards, who started to leave the sinking ship. Some of them were really supporting their sachem so far it has not had any negative consequences for them.  If it was due to their conscious position or disagreement with the government, they would have done this much earlier, because this war against Ukraine didn’t begin suddenly, it was prepared for years, only blind ones could miss all this preparations. That is why, every single russian is responsible for the terror their government and their army brought to my land. Most of them openly support huilo’s “political” actions, the rest of them are doing nothing to stop this horror, it means that they are responsible for criminal inaction.

Do not shift from a sick head to a healthy one. Russians for the most part live ordinary lives every day, children go to school and adults go to work or go about their own business. Drivers are happy that gasoline and gas prices have fallen, stores are full of shelves with food, although food prices have risen slightly. There are no mass demonstrations and torchlight processions on the streets, as happened at times, for example, in Kyiv. The Russian people approve of the operation because they do not like Nazism and do not intend to endure threats against them from anyone. There is no corpus delicti on the Russian side.

[cabron]

It's a war between 2 dictators

LOL fucking hell... brain damage from too much TV is a real thing apparently.

I know "election" is a foreign concept in Russia but if wikipedia is not banned yet - read up on it.

This obsession with strongman personality is mostly responsible for the shithole Russia finds itself in right now. OTOH - take out Zelensky and Ukrainians would probably fight even harder because their fight isn't about one person.

Didn't he imprison his counterpart and shut down TV stations criticizing him?
The US media hailed him so much like a hero but it's really not. It's just on TV. In reality, he is a strong comedian. Ukrainian even despises this president for having no balls to fight back Biden administration but instead led his country to destruction. Pity this president will just be a bad memory for Ukrainian.

Too bad for Biden too because there is no option but sanctions only and India realized who their real friends are. No options now but to wage sanctions against Russia without proxy war soon. Like Putin said sanctions are for weaklings. Narendra Modi realizes, Biden is a demented old fart who will likely singlehandedly crush their dreams of controlling the orients.

[suchmoon]

Narendra Modi

Exactly my point. Listening to that shit turned your brain into porridge. It's not a coincidence that dictatorships like China - or wannabe dictatorships like Serbia or India - that have their own territorial delusions are Putin's biggest supporters. Should probably start working on plan B if the "world's best / 2nd best / 3rd best (depending on whom you ask) military" with crusty WW2 equipment and untrained hungry cannon fodder is unable to fulfill Putin's ambitions.