Do you prefer lots of promotions over better RTP?

[Bitinity]

I doubt a serious gambler would care about the promotions and other rewards. Those are peanuts for serious gamblers. Those will only attract low quality users. The RTP factor is much more important for them. They would all prefer to play on casinos with games that have high RTP because in the long run it is the RTP factor that determines how fast they will go bankrupt. On other hand, those who seldom gambles wouldn't care much because the RTP factor doesn't affect them much. They would prefer promotions and other rewaeds.

Depends on what kind of promotions are offered by the casinos. Serious gamblers may consider for decent rakeback/loseback or other benefits for being high roller as it can give some money back when they are losing. In this case low quality users wont be that attracted with rakeback/loseback as the amount would be small amount only.

[ipanks]

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Although serious gambler is not too concerned about promotions and rewards, sometimes they also want to feel the promotion and bonus because every time they deposit the money, the number can be more than other gamblers. Therefore, if they can get the bonus, the amount of their balance can be more, which means they can have longer fun. Playing gambling games with high RTP will not necessarily give us a long-term advantage. Even maybe we can experience many losses, depending on the amount of money we have.

[Theones]

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Although serious gambler is not too concerned about promotions and rewards, sometimes they also want to feel the promotion and bonus because every time they deposit the money, the number can be more than other gamblers. Therefore, if they can get the bonus, the amount of their balance can be more, which means they can have longer fun. Playing gambling games with high RTP will not necessarily give us a long-term advantage. Even maybe we can experience many losses, depending on the amount of money we have.

Just as question - how many gambler here in the forum goes for the promotion?
If the gamblor is aged - would he be concerned about promotion - I never seen a serious gamblor much worried about promotions peanuts. But they would go for a bigger shot that is RTP

[Kelvinid]

I doubt a serious gambler would care about the promotions and other rewards. Those are peanuts for serious gamblers. Those will only attract low quality users. The RTP factor is much more important for them. They would all prefer to play on casinos with games that have high RTP because in the long run it is the RTP factor that determines how fast they will go bankrupt. On other hand, those who seldom gambles wouldn't care much because the RTP factor doesn't affect them much. They would prefer promotions and other rewaeds.

I got your point here. Serious gamblers won't just look for additional rewards which some gambling sites do, they instead just focus on what they possibly get from gambling, and likely they consider how the casino provides good services to the players.
Well, I don't much care about rewards but what I need and probably all the gamblers are looking for is a gambling site that has a good level of RTP which I think this one it encourages more people to come, not those certain promotions and rewards.

[MinMan]

The fact is, regardless of the RTP, still, losing is always bound to happen in the long run.

If that's the case then just hope that there will be lots of promotions that the said site will deploy to somehow aside from waiting for our luck to come, we are sure to have those advantages at these promotions.

The question is, how attractive those promotions are. If that's not catchy, then it will just be totally ignored.

I remember I play with a 98% percent chance and got lots of reds in a short period of time. That can be the same with rtp on slots, even if the rtp is better and not adjusted, the losses are still going to be felt if you are unlucky. Promotions are a good way to add extra profits and sometimes the profits that you can get on a promotion is much better compare to what you are getting on your normal game.

This is why ill also go for promotions and it's fine for me if they will tweak the rtp, only to give way for the promotion. I can still win anyway if I am lucky and if I can also win on the promotion then nice, that's a double win, it's like killing two birds with one stone.

[Hypnosis00]

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I remember I play with a 98% percent chance and got lots of reds in a short period of time. That can be the same with rtp on slots, even if the rtp is better and not adjusted, the losses are still going to be felt if you are unlucky. Promotions are a good way to add extra profits and sometimes the profits that you can get on a promotion is much better compare to what you are getting on your normal game.

This is why ill also go for promotions and it's fine for me if they will tweak the rtp, only to give way for the promotion. I can still win anyway if I am lucky and if I can also win on the promotion then nice, that's a double win, it's like killing two birds with one stone.

It is found to be beneficial if these promotions are reliable. Many gamblers have been tricked by these promotions making them deposit more and lose more.

But I really don't think this really matters upon choosing a gambling site, I'd still see that the majority will consider RTP over these promotions for the long term. Well, of course, why not ignore this if we can avail as long as it was reliable but never do we think this is a ticket to win, a luck base game certainly needs luck in order to win.

[zidanw]

I am sure that both is important for players but I just want to ask did you experience before that the gambling site has a low RTP than the other gambling site but they offer good promotions which results in getting more players but they always losing?

[iv4n]

I doubt a serious gambler would care about the promotions and other rewards. Those are peanuts for serious gamblers...

This is not true! Serious gamblers care about promotions, they have an advantage with a big bankroll!

Those will only attract low quality users. The RTP factor is much more important for them. They would all prefer to play on casinos with games that have high RTP because in the long run it is the RTP factor that determines how fast they will go bankrupt. On other hand, those who seldom gambles wouldn't care much because the RTP factor doesn't affect them much. They would prefer promotions and other rewaeds.

RTP factor is less important than the choice of a casino! Different casinos have different RTP for many games, but I see people gambling in all the places, and when you check all the ongoing promotions in any casino you will see how much you need to wager to take some higher place and some reward for that! You can find many serious gamblers competing in different promotions in various casinos!

It is found to be beneficial if these promotions are reliable. Many gamblers have been tricked by these promotions making them deposit more and lose more.

If you play in reputable casinos all the promotions are reliable! I haven't heard of a case where players have been cheated for promotion prizes, at least not in any trustworthy casino around!
Nobody tricks you to deposit more and lose more except your own mind!

[yayayo]

It is found to be beneficial if these promotions are reliable. Many gamblers have been tricked by these promotions making them deposit more and lose more.

Not all, there are some promotions that are not too difficult and not all the time you are getting tricked by these promotions. Another reason why they are difficult is that they are prone to cheatings and abuse of the users and the only way they can do it is either let it a little bit challenging or ask KYC.

ya.ya.yo!

[Theones]

It is found to be beneficial if these promotions are reliable. Many gamblers have been tricked by these promotions making them deposit more and lose more.

Not all, there are some promotions that are not too difficult and not all the time you are getting tricked by these promotions. Another reason why they are difficult is that they are prone to cheatings and abuse of the users and the only way they can do it is either let it a little bit challenging or ask KYC.

ya.ya.yo!

Some people are smart enough to use promotions wisely and get the most out of it. Promotions and bonuses are to be taken care of properly - if used wisely they can bring you good return.
But for serious gamblers they might not have time to think of promotion as they would go with their own fame plans.

[joeperry]

Some people are smart enough to use promotions wisely and get the most out of it. Promotions and bonuses are to be taken care of properly - if used wisely they can bring you good return.
But for serious gamblers they might not have time to think of promotion as they would go with their own fame plans.

That's right most of the big and serious gamblers doesn't look for promotion, I mean the common promotion that can be find in the casino but they do look for some special VIP promotion like special rake back and other VIP features like personal assistant and doesn't interest them with normal promotions.

As you can see some players bet almost more than 900k in just one bet, I don't think a deposit bonus would interest them.

[Fluer]

I would choose bigger bonuses with lower wagering requirements. Sometimes wagering requirements are very exhaustive, and they are not even worth mentioning. But some bonuses are great. As for RTP, it doesn't matter to me at all.

[Kakmakr]

So, from what I have read in most of the posts.... most people want a balanced mix between a good RTP and also some promotions. The VIPs want Rakeback and promotions that are geared to wagering volume and the casual gambler just want to prolong their gambling experience ...so they will prefer a better RTP. 

The marketing teams of some of the bigger casinos out there have a huge challenge to balance RTP vs Promotions, because they have to retain current users and they have to draw new gamblers to the site. 

[mm2543363580]

So, from what I have read in most of the posts.... most people want a balanced mix between a good RTP and also some promotions. The VIPs want Rakeback and promotions that are geared to wagering volume and the casual gambler just want to prolong their gambling experience ...so they will prefer a better RTP. 

The marketing teams of some of the bigger casinos out there have a huge challenge to balance RTP vs Promotions, because they have to retain current users and they have to draw new gamblers to the site. 

very valid point - there should be a mix to both. Too much promotions take away the charm. On the other hand - - not having any promotion might miss some of the new gamblers who are looking to start their career in gambling. So a good mix of both will be helpful in my opinion however an expert would think on other lines.

[og kush420]

I would choose bigger bonuses with lower wagering requirements. Sometimes wagering requirements are very exhaustive, and they are not even worth mentioning. But some bonuses are great. As for RTP, it doesn't matter to me at all.

Most of the members here believe that the mix of both RPT and Promotions will be a good thing.
But serious players would prefer playing for RPT - they will be more focused on their mind game rather than learning what is new in promotion.

[Fortify]

I doubt a serious gambler would care about the promotions and other rewards. Those are peanuts for serious gamblers. Those will only attract low quality users. The RTP factor is much more important for them. They would all prefer to play on casinos with games that have high RTP because in the long run it is the RTP factor that determines how fast they will go bankrupt. On other hand, those who seldom gambles wouldn't care much because the RTP factor doesn't affect them much. They would prefer promotions and other rewaeds.

I'm not sure there is such a thing as a "serious gambler", it could only mean someone who has more money than they know how to fritter away and they tend to be extremely rare whale types. For everyone else the sooner they learn that gambling is only ever going to make the casino richer the better. Promotions in some cases might be the only way that a casino gives up a little bit of cash, usually in a controlled circumstance where they keep amounts low (like guess 5 right for a chance to win more) or a welcome bonus. If you're the type who wants to make money from the casino, then welcome bonuses can actually stack up rather nicely if you look into matched betting.

[Odusko]

I would choose bigger bonuses with lower wagering requirements. Sometimes wagering requirements are very exhaustive, and they are not even worth mentioning. But some bonuses are great. As for RTP, it doesn't matter to me at all.

Worst case scenario what if you have a load of bonuses but with a bad RTP that makes you lose everything, if you have a high RTP there is no way the bonuses will be worth it after all you will play them all away since the casino already set a high RTP that make it impossible for the player to win. So I prefer better RTP to loads of bonuses.

[mm2543363580]

Latter ofc. The former is there to let the casino last longer since it attracts new customers, but if they were only attracted momentarily, then the original meaning of doing it is actually lost. They have to give benefits to players not just in the early stages, but also for the entire length of their stay in their casino. To simplify, marketing strategies are for the casino to profit whether it be short or long term (mostly short term imo). RTP on the other hand, only lets them benefit in the long term imo.

Now, what can we as gamblers do to get the casino operators to give more attention to the gambling experience? 

Other than giving out suggestions, I don't think we can. They're probably thinking about a bunch of stuff as well so I won't judge them arbitrarily, but paying too much attention to promotions over what the users really want can be a red flag if done one too many times.

I agree - there are so many strings attached to every element.
With one thing going in fine direction there is another thing that comes in wrong one. So I think a technical person will be more appreciate person to answer this.

[seleme]

I would choose bigger bonuses with lower wagering requirements. Sometimes wagering requirements are very exhaustive, and they are not even worth mentioning. But some bonuses are great. As for RTP, it doesn't matter to me at all.

Worst case scenario what if you have a load of bonuses but with a bad RTP that makes you lose everything, if you have a high RTP there is no way the bonuses will be worth it after all you will play them all away since the casino already set a high RTP that make it impossible for the player to win. So I prefer better RTP to loads of bonuses.

It doesn't make sense, you can withdraw promo money from higher A casino and keep doubling "easy money" on higher RTP alternative B casino. Tbh, balanced features make it easy for average users since expert gamblers know how to handle such situations🙂 Expert gamblers understand odds of hitting max win on slots and they will never chase one in billion chance of hitting max win unlike newbie users. The promotions can improve the odds of hitting huge multipliers on alternative platforms if user knows what he is doing.

[Flexystar]

I think RTP is very important over promotions because the later one could fill up your wallet with free spins or some deposits but it won’t let you win handsome amount so as to break even with the same. In addition to this, if you look from casinos point of view then it won’t be beneficial for them to keep releasing lot of promotions. Many times user could just misuse free spins to win a lot and leave the casino. For casino to keep us entertained they need optimum RTP to keep both of us happy.