Do you prefer lots of promotions over better RTP?

[Cling18]

Only new gamblers would focus on bonuses and promotions because real gamblers would prefer a good flow of RTP. What's the sense of too much advertisement if it will cause traffic and might ruin the whole game? Everything should be put in balance because if there would be a problem with the RTP, it will also affect the reputation of the site.

[bitbollo]

Only new gamblers would focus on bonuses and promotions because real gamblers would prefer a good flow of RTP. What's the sense of too much advertisement if it will cause traffic and might ruin the whole game? Everything should be put in balance because if there would be a problem with the RTP, it will also affect the reputation of the site.

this is absolutely true with casino games but this is not the same with sports betting since promotions and bonuses are always welcome and very useful. like special odds or bonus bets allow gamblers to maximize their profit. Definitely not bad.
For certain bets I can also loss a 5-10% of odds if I have more options for my games...

[stomachgrowls]

Only new gamblers would focus on bonuses and promotions because real gamblers would prefer a good flow of RTP. What's the sense of too much advertisement if it will cause traffic and might ruin the whole game? Everything should be put in balance because if there would be a problem with the RTP, it will also affect the reputation of the site.

Cause of too much traffic? Site should really anticipate on possible scenario but i believe that most platforms are ready for that but still that brings a big question of "What if" but in overall you would not

know if the site would really go into that particular state or condition on where there are lots of gamblers who would play on the site.Marketing does play a big role and of course good bonuses and
promotions would be attached to it but we know that there would be particular conditions which do makes it not to be that appealing..
RTP and other odds related things will somewhat a good look up for someone who does have experience in gambling.

[panjul07]

Only new gamblers would focus on bonuses and promotions because real gamblers would prefer a good flow of RTP.

This is not completely true, how can real gamblers stay longer in the casino if there is no bonuses and promotions?
Bonuses and promotions are not designed to attract new gamblers only but it is also to make real gambler stay to play as long as possible.

What's the sense of too much advertisement if it will cause traffic and might ruin the whole game?

This is a real fact we cant deny, most casinos are trying hard to boost the traffic and advertisement, promotions, bonuses, etc are some of the most used ways.
Good casino will always be ready for huge traffic, so it wont affect the whole game.

Everything should be put in balance because if there would be a problem with the RTP, it will also affect the reputation of the site.

I have to agree about the "balance" but I cant agree with your statement that RTP will affect the reputation of the site.
Is there any real example of a casino with bad reputation just because of RTP?

[RyanSmith23421]

I think that if they're just working on marketing while leaving behind their RTP, it's a waste of time, effort and money... maybe they're planning something else so it doesn't get affected.

[goaldigger]

I think that if they're just working on marketing while leaving behind their RTP, it's a waste of time, effort and money... maybe they're planning something else so it doesn't get affected.

Not a waste of money most probably because they wont do it if its not effective and most probably their goal to have more gamblers on their site that’s why they took risk on increasing their marketing funds. Honestly, we can’t do anything about this since we have no control over the site, and if you think its not worth it to gamble on that site anymore, you’re free to go to other site and play there. I prefer the good odds than to sacrificed much of my money on a site that I don’t wont pay that much in favor to the gamblers.

[qwertyup23]

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Personally, I would choose a gambling website that offers the best return-to-player profit for the best possible scenario.

Gambling in itself is already risky- profits are not guaranteed and you suffer absolute loss of the money you wagered if you lost the bet. Assuming that the risk associated in one gambling site that has better RTP is the same with another gambling site that has tons of promotions, then I think it is obvious that you would choose the former.

Better to maximize all the profits since the risks associated with the two are the same. Though marketing in a gambling website gives you the sense of security that they are genuine, again, profits wise, best RTPs still win by a long shot.

[TimeTeller]

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Personally, I would choose a gambling website that offers the best return-to-player profit for the best possible scenario.

Gambling in itself is already risky- profits are not guaranteed and you suffer absolute loss of the money you wagered if you lost the bet. Assuming that the risk associated in one gambling site that has better RTP is the same with another gambling site that has tons of promotions, then I think it is obvious that you would choose the former.

Better to maximize all the profits since the risks associated with the two are the same. Though marketing in a gambling website gives you the sense of security that they are genuine, again, profits wise, best RTPs still win by a long shot.

I guess, I will prefer also the RTP factor here over promotions or campaigns/rewards.
Because most of the time, you are not able to participate in those promotions or contests.
So if you are just an occasional player not bothering those promotions, you will opt for better RTP.
At least, whenever you want to play, you know you are getting the better RTP among casinos.

[AicecreaME]

It's retention against recruiting new players, we all know that for a casino to run smoothly it must have loyal and permanent players it will not be possible if they have a poor RTP and concentrate on promotion, retention is very important for the casino to continue existing that is why well-established casinos concentrate on retaining their players by offering bonuses giveaways and of course better RTP.

You have a valid point. However, RTP and Promotions should come hand-in-hand in order for a gambling website to be successful and competitive. Both RTP and promotions are essential in retaining and gaining new players. Promotions encourage people to gamble on their site, which is of importance because any business has to grow. Having new clients will boost the development and perhaps the expansion of the gambling website.

Meanwhile, RTP's main goal is to preserve and maintain the presence of the current players who stayed with them for a long period of time. Having a nice RTP will keep the existing players play on their website, maintaining the traffic and active players in it.

This is why both is important in a gambling site. The owner must be able to manage the website's need such as RTP and promotions, in a balanced way, so that they could garner and maintain their patronages.

[Wexnident]

I think that if they're just working on marketing while leaving behind their RTP, it's a waste of time, effort and money... maybe they're planning something else so it doesn't get affected.

Not a waste of money most probably because they wont do it if its not effective and most probably their goal to have more gamblers on their site that’s why they took risk on increasing their marketing funds. Honestly, we can’t do anything about this since we have no control over the site, and if you think its not worth it to gamble on that site anymore, you’re free to go to other site and play there. I prefer the good odds than to sacrificed much of my money on a site that I don’t wont pay that much in favor to the gamblers.

It's actually more advantageous for them since the more players they get while the lower RTP ratio they have, the greater the profit. RTP isn't actually something you'd need to take note of like marketing BUT it is important to manage it so that players don't feel that the casino is just stealing money from them. It's for a long-term relationship between the casino and the user. Fully concentrating on the marketing on  the other hand only creates a short term relationship with the casino, since players would naturally leave a casino that has bad RTP.

[Johnyz]

I think that if they're just working on marketing while leaving behind their RTP, it's a waste of time, effort and money... maybe they're planning something else so it doesn't get affected.

They can just do both without sacrificing the quality of the platform, decreasing the RTP just to spend more money on their marketing is not a good one. Though, most of the time gamblers left with no choice but to keep on playing, because some reputable site still offers good games and good odds even if they spend more money on their marketing. Its better to participate on those promotions, you might got lucky and be one of the winner of those promotions, you can see a lot on games and boards section.

[khaled0111]

It depends. Personally, if I'm bored and want to spend as much time as possible playing games on a casino just for the sake of fun while I have a limited bankroll, then I'll definitely choose the casino with the highest RTP / lowest house edge.
If I sign up on a casino (wich have a high HE) just because am attracted by their bonuses then there are high chances that I will not play there again after withdrawing the winnings (if any).
Theoretically, the casino with the highest RTP and no promotion is supposed to be the most profitable. But in real life, it totally depends on your luck and the kind of promotions and the requirements attached to them.

[Distinctin]

Both are very important, marketing should continue as every gambling site wants to grow and expand. They need to keep their old players by giving the best services while at the same time, they also need to continue marketing to increase their market. There's no need to choose actually because a great gambling site would always serve the best interest of the users.

[DoublerHunter]

Both are very important, marketing should continue as every gambling site wants to grow and expand. They need to keep their old players by giving the best services while at the same time, they also need to continue marketing to increase their market. There's no need to choose actually because a great gambling site would always serve the best interest of the users.

^ Definitely right, they should be equal, the highest RTP and the marketing promotion, but there are some gambling casinos that cannot handle this, they focus on promotions with less RTP. Probably that is the reason why they did not grow faster. I saw a gambling casino here in the forum that just only a month they grow faster, they are very generous on giving bonuses and contests as well and also the marketing, they are very aggressive on it and now, even they are the largest casino, they continue doing this.

[Johnyz]

Both are very important, marketing should continue as every gambling site wants to grow and expand. They need to keep their old players by giving the best services while at the same time, they also need to continue marketing to increase their market. There's no need to choose actually because a great gambling site would always serve the best interest of the users.

Unfortunately, some site are doing the opposite they are focus more on their marketing side which gives the consequences on decreasing the RTP. I also believe that this should be balance, but if the site are more eager to attract more gamblers than to let them stay for a while, then I believe there’s a problem with the site and they didn’t value their service at all, marketing is not good if its too much it can ruin other things.

[savetheFORUM]

It's actually more advantageous for them since the more players they get while the lower RTP ratio they have, the greater the profit. RTP isn't actually something you'd need to take note of like marketing BUT it is important to manage it so that players don't feel that the casino is just stealing money from them. It's for a long-term relationship between the casino and the user. Fully concentrating on the marketing on  the other hand only creates a short term relationship with the casino, since players would naturally leave a casino that has bad RTP.

Maybe this is what is happening on the casino that I am playing. They only adjust their rtp from time to time because I can sometimes win on them while most of the times I am losing and I feel that there is a change in the game that I am playing with, it's now difficult to win or hit that higher multipliers that I am targeting. Most of the multipliers that I am getting now are low and sometimes zero.

Casino should be more fairer if they want their players to stay on them because not all gamblers are only playing for fun and will always throw away their money but most of us are playing for the profit. They should keep that in mind. We didn't care much on the promotions since they still have a hard condition to fulfill.

[Theones]

It's actually more advantageous for them since the more players they get while the lower RTP ratio they have, the greater the profit. RTP isn't actually something you'd need to take note of like marketing BUT it is important to manage it so that players don't feel that the casino is just stealing money from them. It's for a long-term relationship between the casino and the user. Fully concentrating on the marketing on  the other hand only creates a short term relationship with the casino, since players would naturally leave a casino that has bad RTP.

Maybe this is what is happening on the casino that I am playing. They only adjust their rtp from time to time because I can sometimes win on them while most of the times I am losing and I feel that there is a change in the game that I am playing with, it's now difficult to win or hit that higher multipliers that I am targeting. Most of the multipliers that I am getting now are low and sometimes zero.

Casino should be more fairer if they want their players to stay on them because not all gamblers are only playing for fun and will always throw away their money but most of us are playing for the profit. They should keep that in mind. We didn't care much on the promotions since they still have a hard condition to fulfill.

And the terms and condition are most of the time not mentioned well.
In my opinion no serious and expert player will go to the website which would prefer marketing over the gambling, also its a serious mind game. And these pops are a real distractions.

[Eureka_07]

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Casino should be more fairer if they want their players to stay on them because not all gamblers are only playing for fun and will always throw away their money but most of us are playing for the profit. They should keep that in mind. We didn't care much on the promotions since they still have a hard condition to fulfill.

I think, reputable casinos, maybe we can still say, most casinos are fair when it comes to the RTP. If you happen to have doubts on your casino's RTP on slots, you can always try to verify it if those games are really probably fair. You can use Probably Fair Verifier. Some of the verifiers that I know are provablyfair.me and btcgosu.com. You can use them if you have doubts to your casino.

[iv4n]

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Casino should be more fairer if they want their players to stay on them because not all gamblers are only playing for fun and will always throw away their money but most of us are playing for the profit. They should keep that in mind. We didn't care much on the promotions since they still have a hard condition to fulfill.

I think, reputable casinos, maybe we can still say, most casinos are fair when it comes to the RTP. If you happen to have doubts on your casino's RTP on slots, you can always try to verify it if those games are really probably fair. You can use Probably Fair Verifier. Some of the verifiers that I know are provablyfair.me and btcgosu.com. You can use them if you have doubts to your casino.

I am not sure do you know, but you can only verify in-house games, third party games can't be verified! Third-party games like slots and live games come from different providers, their algorithms are unknown! So we either trust providers or we don't!

From my experience, RTP doesn't mean anything! You either have luck or you don't! I played low and high RTP slots and I have a different experience, so different that you can't draw any conclusions from all that! So it's like we risk our money in playing slots and we hope for some luck, whether that can come or not! I had so many dead spins streaks with low and high RTP slots, when I don't have luck any slot will just drain me! But some slots can be very generous, just if we are lucky, and that's why we are playing them, to try to hit that lucky spin!

[Fortify]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

It's worth considering that promotions are not always a good thing to use. I've seen the odd story and anecdotal evidence in the past that some gambling companies have even created long term penalties against user accounts who signed up and took advantage of welcome bonuses. Obviously this would not be publicized, but these casino companies are black box operations most of the time so they can do whatever tweaking them want in the background and it makes sense if they want to recoup losses on these expensive customer acquisitions. Besides using free bet offers, it might be better - if you intend to stick with a gambling company for a while - to just skip any relatively small sign up bonuses for this reason.