Do you prefer lots of promotions over better RTP?

[Kakmakr]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

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[judeafante]

I prefer the latter, casinos should make their player stay and make them feel that they are playing at the best casino on the internet, those marketing and advertising are useless if they cannot back up what they are promoting, sure the number of new members will increase but the number of people who continue to play will diminish, they should invest more on their feature and RTP, they must see to it that they can maintain players.

[virasog]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

Aren't they wasting their money and resources if they are not focusing on RTP but only want to increase traffic on their site. Due to extensive marketing, many new gamblers may visit their site but the more important thing is how many of them retain their presence on that casino. If people just come, play and never return back, then what's the use of such gamblers and such traffic. A gambling site always wants gamblers who regularly play at their site and become their loyal customers.

[markk1]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

The RTP can only be lowered in in-house games such as dice, plinko, limbo, etc. In all other games from the original providers, a fixed RTP cannot be changed by the casino, taking into account licensed games.
Very low RTP in betfury in-house games, I think it is the lowest of all crypto casinos. The RTP is not even indicated anywhere on the casino website, it can only be ask in live chat.

RTP - Return To Player
100% - house edge = RTP

[Hamphser]

I prefer the latter, casinos should make their player stay and make them feel that they are playing at the best casino on the internet, those marketing and advertising are useless if they cannot back up what they are promoting, sure the number of new members will increase but the number of people who continue to play will diminish, they should invest more on their feature and RTP, they must see to it that they can maintain players.

Its not bad if they pour out heavily in terms of budget on marketing but its true that they should really be minding about for long term which would really make players stay for long time and not

just good in the duration of such promotion or marketing because that would be still useless.If players do see that they are comfortable with the current site they are dealing with
in terms of those RTP and other similar aspects then they would definitely stay but if not then they would just simply skip and look for another one.

[zidanw]

Serious gamblers are not that curious about promotions, they are more concerned with their bankroll and want to make money on the site. Promotions are never promotions that really make you rich or that give your bank roll a huge boost. That is the same as with bonuses, which often fall within the scope of promotions. People are usually not interested in such bonuses, because there are always different conditions attached to it, nobody wants that.

[passwordnow]

The marketing will always be second if you've been enjoying to gamble on that casino. You're no longer the target of them since you've been acquired with their first marketing campaigns.
As usual, gamblers wanting to have the best experience and any possible feature that will benefit our stay so, many would say that it's always best to consider having the best experience with the typical and better rtp that we used to experience from them.

[AmoreJaz]

I prefer the latter, casinos should make their player stay and make them feel that they are playing at the best casino on the internet, those marketing and advertising are useless if they cannot back up what they are promoting, sure the number of new members will increase but the number of people who continue to play will diminish, they should invest more on their feature and RTP, they must see to it that they can maintain players.

Its not bad if they pour out heavily in terms of budget on marketing but its true that they should really be minding about for long term which would really make players stay for long time and not

just good in the duration of such promotion or marketing because that would be still useless.If players do see that they are comfortable with the current site they are dealing with
in terms of those RTP and other similar aspects then they would definitely stay but if not then they would just simply skip and look for another one.

RTP is i believe one feature that some gamblers will favour over these promotions. because in the long run, they want a better deal with RTP rather than joining these promotions which is also based on your skills or luck. but for gamblers who are not joining such promotions, they will prefer that the RTP is more competitive. otherwise, they will just move on to another reputable casino which is offering a better rtp to their players.

[Fortify]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

It's difficult to have sympathy in this situation because any long term casino player is going to lose because the RTP will always be set against them. A casino has bills to pay - servers, staff, security, licensing and much more. You're never going to be in a situation where the casino hands out a lot more than they've got coming in. On the contrary, if those promotions are accessible to existing and regular players you're more likely to be able to grind a small profit out of them rather than games that are guaranteed to be stacked against you. Free bets and free spins can accumulate small amounts over time which can be much more useful to a discerning player.

[crzy]

Their focus should be more on making their players more comfortable playing on the site than to focus on their marketing, something is wrong with that site who only focuses on marketing strategy to attract more gamblers while sacrificing their whole system. If you feel its not good anymore, better to look for other good site who don’t have much marketing activities and yet, gamblers are still coming to them. I wonder if that site is also here in the forum?

[ultraBTC]

In all other games from the original providers, a fixed RTP cannot be changed by the casino, taking into account licensed games.

Technically speaking, online casinos can't change RTP from reputable 3rd party providers.

But, in reality, online casinos can request lowered RTP versions of the same slot game(s) from the provider(s). Of course, if a game provider offers multiple RTP settings. And most game providers nowadays indeed offer multiple RTP versions. That's a trend in recent years.

[Doell]

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

A lots of promotions etc and sacrifice RTP, it will not satisfy the average gambler. Well It's quite clear that if are cornered with only that choice, it is likely that gamblers will choose at the best RTP playing experience. In the past I used want to take more promotions and bonuses from the bookie, but if the RTP is not good it just waste my time, who wants a losing streak with long period. But also I don't know which gambling site you're referring to I think that's privacy, answer your question I pick better RTP.

[24Kt]

In all other games from the original providers, a fixed RTP cannot be changed by the casino, taking into account licensed games.

Technically speaking, online casinos can't change RTP from reputable 3rd party providers.

But, in reality, online casinos can request lowered RTP versions of the same slot game(s) from the provider(s). Of course, if a game provider offers multiple RTP settings. And most game providers nowadays indeed offer multiple RTP versions. That's a trend in recent years.

I believe, the casino can negotiate the RTP from their providers. Since they have the prerogative to add them in their list, they can always have their say about the offered services. And if it is only a small adjustments, I think, the 3rd party provider can modify those small changes to accommodate the request of their client. But for players who are not joining the promotions or contests, the would definitely prefer a better deal of RTP from the casino.

[timerland]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

I would definitely prefer better RTP.

Usually the marketing campaigns are designed to favor the casino anyway, so it's not like you get much of an edge off that.

For instance, a lot of deposit bonuses are actually -EV in the sense that if you choose to accept it, you have a lower RTP.

If you're a highroller you probably don't want any of these bonuses that are often cumbersome to claim. Rather have better gaming experience and house edge in general.

[robelneo]

The best promotion or marketing has always been user's experience or word of the mouth and if you're going to launch marketing it should be on your best feature because these are what attract players to be loyal you can make gamblers come into your casino but what will make them stay
is their experience, you can make the number of users but not the profit if they keep joining and not staying that is why casinos are giving a lot of perks so people will continue to play, so it should be on the improvement of the casino it should be the main focus.

[ultraBTC]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

For me, the answer is pretty clear here. I agree with most of the previous posters - RTP is what matters. So let's check out three different scenarios here. (Scenario A - Highest RTP, Scenario B - lowered RTP settings & Scenario C - lowered RTP but with a great promotion included.)

Just for simplicity, we will choose a no-variance slot game (zero variance). In a no-variance game, every single spin/bet returns the bet-amount minus house-edge. Of course, in reality, such a game would be boring as hell and with no excitement at all, but we will get to the point.

SCENARIO A.)


A player deposits 200 USD, playing his favorite slot game at default (highest) RTP settings = 96% RTP in online casino AAA.


● Deposit = 200 USD
● Bet per spin = 1 USD
● House edge = 4%
● Loss per spin = 0.04 USD (4 cents)


After 100 spins, a player has a loss of 4 dollars and a balance of 196 USD. He continues, and after another 100 spins, his balance is 192 USD. Fast forward, and he goes bust with a total of = 4976 SPINS per session.

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SCENARIO B.)


A player deposits 200 USD, playing his favorite slot game at lowered RTP settings = 92% RTP in online casino BBB.

● Deposit = 200 USD
● Bet per spin = 1 USD
● House edge = 8%
● Loss per spin = 0.08 USD (8 cents)


After 100 spins, a player has a loss of 8 dollars and a balance of 192 USD. He continues, and after another 100 spins, his balance is 184 USD. Fast forward, and he goes bust with a total of = 2488 SPINS per session.

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4976 SPINS VS 2488 SPINS session?


Now, the player noticed a cool casino with a superb 100% deposit match bonus promo (at the same 92% RTP settings as in scenario b.) Let's have a look:


SCENARIO C.)


A player deposits 200 USD, playing his favorite slot game at lowered RTP settings = 92% RTP in online casino CCC, but gets a great 100% match bonus. And wagering requirements are only 30xdeposit. Indeed, it nowadays's a solid deal.


● Deposit = 200 USD
● Player's Balance = 400 USD
● Bet per spin = 1 USD
● House edge = 8%
● Loss per spin = 0.08 USD (8 cents)


After 100 spins, a player has a loss of 8 dollars and a balance of 392 USD. He continues, and after another 100 spins, his balance is 384 USD. Fast forward, and he goes bust with a total of = 4988 SPINS per that session.

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Well, that's pretty much similar to SCENARIO A. What about wagering?


Wagering requirements = 30x200 = 6000 USD (or 6000 spins at $1 bet per spin). The player busted before even finishing wagering requirements. (And I even haven't mentioned other Terms & Conditions related to the bonus that most online casinos have, such as restricted casino games, max bet per spin, max payout with a bonus and similar...)


Which of those three scenarios would you choose? The choice is yours ;-) SCENARIO A VS SCENARIO B VS SCENARIO C ? RTP over PROMOTIONS?

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For simplicity, we have taken out the variance side of slots here. With high-variance included, the lucky player playing SCENARIO B could win a huge 10000x bet-win early in the game and cash out a massive amount. But, as the sample gets more significant, as the number of spins reaches millions/billions, the overall stats for the casino will be near the Theoretical RTP.

It's the player's choice to choose the best odds. And it's definitely on the side of RTP over Promotions. Unless we go back in time - some two decades ago, where bonuses & promos were not tied up to heavy wagering and additional terms.

[DarkStar_]

For simplicity, we have taken out the variance side of slots here. With high-variance included, the lucky player playing SCENARIO B could win a huge 10000x bet-win early in the game and cash out a massive amount. But, as the sample gets more significant, as the number of spins reaches millions/billions, the overall stats for the casino will be near the Theoretical RTP.

It's the player's choice to choose the best odds. And it's definitely on the side of RTP over Promotions. Unless we go back in time - some two decades ago, where bonuses & promos were not tied up to heavy wagering and additional terms.

I think you have to look at promotions that aren't just X% deposit bonus with Y rollover, since many other types of promotions exist. Wager contests are a pretty common form of promotion on a lot of sites, and depending on the site they can be almost worthless because of how much whales wager, or attainable due to the site being smaller. Sometimes these can end up +EV, so the promotion is obviously better than just raw RTP.

We've also seen some promotions that are very obviously +EV for the player. Some sites have had a few promotions where you place an outright bet and get a free bet whenever your pick wins, so you might end up with 5-6 freebets if you picked a favourite. I've also seen risk free bet promotions, where your bet is refunded if your pick loses. Again, obviously +EV.

The right answer for the question is really to gamble on multiple sites. When a promotion makes sense for you, play on that site. Otherwise, play on the site that offers the best RTP.

[Kakmakr]

So based on the feedback that I received from you guys so far, it seems that most people would prefer that the RTP must be the primary focus of the casino, to improve the gambler experience.  

There is absolutely no logic in having say 100 promotions a month and sponsoring 10 high profile celebrities and giving your existing clients a piss poor experience at your casino. You spend millions on marketing to get new people to gamble at your site, but you cannot retain them, because most of your budget goes towards marketing and not to increasing the gambling experience.  

Now, what can we as gamblers do to get the casino operators to give more attention to the gambling experience?  

[Bitinity]

Do you mean that a lot of promotions affect the RTP in the casino you are referring to or maybe you know that the casino is lowering the RTP to cover their marketing budget? If it is the latter case, how do you know about it? Is there any way to get a valid information that the casino reduce the RTP of their games to cover their marketing budget? Coming up to which one I prefer, for me it depends on how great the promotion is. If I think that the promotion is worth enough, I'll prefer to choose promotion over RTP. However, if the promotion is not worth for me (mostly about wagering) I'll choose the better RTP.

[Wexnident]

Latter ofc. The former is there to let the casino last longer since it attracts new customers, but if they were only attracted momentarily, then the original meaning of doing it is actually lost. They have to give benefits to players not just in the early stages, but also for the entire length of their stay in their casino. To simplify, marketing strategies are for the casino to profit whether it be short or long term (mostly short term imo). RTP on the other hand, only lets them benefit in the long term imo.

Now, what can we as gamblers do to get the casino operators to give more attention to the gambling experience? 

Other than giving out suggestions, I don't think we can. They're probably thinking about a bunch of stuff as well so I won't judge them arbitrarily, but paying too much attention to promotions over what the users really want can be a red flag if done one too many times.

[BitcoinAccepted]

I would prefer better RTP rather than promotions since for me it is better to have better RTP in long run rather than a lot of promotions with a very difficult requirements or wagering requirement. I actually don't use any promotion or participate in any promotion and play without that bonuses.

[leea-1334]

Pure gamblers I think always prefer RTP,,, but this comes in many forms. I love low house edge best. You want to win best, and have the best chances, and tailor a strategy to it.

On the other hand, cashbacks and rakebacks are also great,,, it contributes to low house edge and is part of strategy so promos in that shape I see the same really.

But I LOVE promos on sports like Sportsbet does all the time, small wager, big prize possibility. Who does not like that?

[ralle14]

I'm leaning towards the promotion side of things over the better RTP as you can gain more potential profits from promotions since you only have to follow specific requirements like daily wagers. Even though higher RTP is nice overall what made me like doing promotions are the guaranteed profits you get once you manage to fulfill the requirements as there are different types and a lot of the promotions nowadays offered by casinos barely have any rollover requirements so it's more on strategizing and look for the efficient way to spend your bankroll.

[D.t.B]

How many of you are interested in wager race promotions?

Stake being very generous with 100k daily race and 5000 finishers, although it's quite difficult to end up in the top. Betfury also has boosted daily battles to $10k (worth of usdt and bfg tokens) distributed among high-volume players.

[Jawhead999]

Both are good because I've played on both casino who have such offers. Usually the casino which have many promotions with normal RTP is new/developed casino and the casino which don't have good promotions with better RTP is old casino. When a new/developed have good promotions, you shouldn't ignore it instead take a chance to win the contests. Because promotions wouldn't last long, most of casinos who already have good traffic and trustworthy do decrease their promotions.

[maydna]

If RTP combines with good promotions, many gamblers will visit that casino because they will have a chance to win the money, although not many of them will win that. But if they don't have many promotions but have high RTP, it will be fine for me. But every gambler will have their own way, whether to choose RTP or search for many promotions and all they want is winning much money. If the site has good promotions and offers something good for gamblers, I think gamblers will not think about RTP or only some gamblers will still search for both promotions and RTP.

[bitbollo]

RTP is what all players are looking for, because there is always some sort of random illusion of winning more than what is deposited.

from another point of view, without marketing and promotions it is not possible to attract new players, and above all, those players who play "just for fun" or play with low amount of money.

[Mahdirakib]

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Well explained! You have given 3 examples based on the normal mathematical formula and added the importance of variance (volatility) at the end of the description. Actually, the volatility of the slots game has the main impact. Both RTP and the volatility stay on my priority list when I choose any slots game. I don't give any priority to the promotions for the attached wagering requirements.
I give priority to the RTP only when it is related to the wagering. I give priority to the low volatility and high RTP when it is about the number of spins (points gaining contest).

P.S. I just sent a merit to “timerland” by mistake

[robelneo]

RTP is what all players are looking for, because there is always some sort of random illusion of winning more than what is deposited.

from another point of view, without marketing and promotions it is not possible to attract new players, and above all, those players who play "just for fun" or play with low amount of money.

Of course, marketing is very important to attract new players but they should make it a point to dedicate their effort to player retention, retention is very important to a service-oriented platform and casinos are like that, they must build a community of loyal players, that is why casinos have a chat group and gives a lot of perks so people will try to reach the VIP status.

[Eureka_07]

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Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

If I am not being wrong, does slots with lower RTP paid bigger than those that has higher RTPs? If that is the case, I guess I would go on playing with the promotion even though it has lower RTP. But still, has different factors to consider before engaging to the promotion and neglect however RTP the slot has. I wouldn't participate to a slot promotion if there are x3 or more wagering requirements. Personally I would not like even having 1x wagering requirement for it since the promotion can cause us money. I would go to those promotions that doesn't require their promo winners of these xx wagering requirements.

[stomachgrowls]

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Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

If I am not being wrong, does slots with lower RTP paid bigger than those that has higher RTPs? If that is the case, I guess I would go on playing with the promotion even though it has lower RTP. But still, has different factors to consider before engaging to the promotion and neglect however RTP the slot has. I wouldn't participate to a slot promotion if there are x3 or more wagering requirements. Personally I would not like even having 1x wagering requirement for it since the promotion can cause us money. I would go to those promotions that doesn't require their promo winners of these xx wagering requirements.

Are high-RTP slots better than low-RTP slots?
High-RTP slots are set to provide larger returns than low-RTP games. However, high-RTP slots tend to have low variance where you get consistent wins with low payout rates. Those who are comfortable with small and steady gains tend to prefer high-RTP slots over low-RTP ones where the risk is greater.

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So you should have at least some idea about RTP.Its true that promotions are just things for hooking people to play on the site but of course there would really be
requirements of such promotion yet they would not just make or offer it without any conditions which is something on default.

[ultraBTC]

Are high-RTP slots better than low-RTP slots?
High-RTP slots are set to provide larger returns than low-RTP games. However, high-RTP slots tend to have low variance where you get consistent wins with low payout rates. Those who are comfortable with small and steady gains tend to prefer high-RTP slots over low-RTP ones where the risk is greater.

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Wooh. Let me tell you, RTP & Variance are TWO totally different beasts. Of course, you have high-RTP slots with a low-variance set-up, but vice versa also. They are mixing up totally two different things.

[seleme]

I know which website you mentioned 😀
They keep promoting website Vip club rewards but keep decreasing win chance for users for covering marketing costs. I can't prove it but my experience shows this conclusion after 3 years. Regardless of RTP, playing smart is possible if you know how to manage your bankroll especially with extra boosted bonuses. Just withdraw your bonuses and play somewhere else that you think can pay you with higher RTP. Just my 2 cents.

[Gozie51]

You're no longer the target of them since you've been acquired with their first marketing campaigns.

I think this could be the thinking of the casino management especially if they have done well in the past and are currently maintaining their status but wanted more players. Marketing and advertisement is to bring more awareness to also create traffic. So their main go is not the existing players even though that they don't want to lose them but they are better focusing on winning more players and on the spot this will generate more money for them despite how much they spent in the advertisement. This is a business strategy not that they don't care about the people already existing.

[rhomelmabini]

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

I still prefer to have a better RTP even if I'm not a regular to that site, in return this are the things these veterans are expecting to have since they'll be sticking to a site. Not just for vets but for a new gambler as well that wanted it. Yeah promotions and bonuses are best to attract new users but I think they shouldn't have to sacrifice RTP that let others stays for a reason.

[ultraBTC]

I know which website you mentioned
They keep promoting website Vip club rewards but keep decreasing win chance for users for covering marketing costs. I can't prove it but my experience shows this conclusion after 3 years. Regardless of RTP, playing smart is possible if you know how to manage your bankroll especially with extra boosted bonuses. Just withdraw your bonuses and play somewhere else that you think can pay you with higher RTP. Just my 2 cents.

Could you reveal the site in question?

If they have nerfed RTP to extra-low levels, I suggest leaving the place. There are still gaming spots that offer top (default) RTPs and great VIP offers on weekly levels.

I think you have to look at promotions that aren't just X% deposit bonus with Y rollover, since many other types of promotions exist. Wager contests are a pretty common form of promotion on a lot of sites, and depending on the site they can be almost worthless because of how much whales wager, or attainable due to the site being smaller. Sometimes these can end up +EV, so the promotion is obviously better than just raw RTP.

We've also seen some promotions that are very obviously +EV for the player. Some sites have had a few promotions where you place an outright bet and get a free bet whenever your pick wins, so you might end up with 5-6 freebets if you picked a favourite. I've also seen risk free bet promotions, where your bet is refunded if your pick loses. Again, obviously +EV.

The right answer for the question is really to gamble on multiple sites. When a promotion makes sense for you, play on that site. Otherwise, play on the site that offers the best RTP.

Agree with you here DarkStar. I haven't published other types of promotions in my previous post, as that would be a really long one. I just took the 100% match bonus as an example.

For example, no-wagering cashbacks (15% +) on weekly levels is something far better than free spins promos or typical comp points. Will do the math in some of my next posts.

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[Maus0728]

There is absolutely no logic in having say 100 promotions a month and sponsoring 10 high profile celebrities and giving your existing clients a piss poor experience at your casino. You spend millions on marketing to get new people to gamble at your site, but you cannot retain them, because most of your budget goes towards marketing and not to increasing the gambling experience.  

Now, what can we as gamblers do to get the casino operators to give more attention to the gambling experience?  

I don't even think that the Gambling platforms would even dare to unbalance their RTP and Promotions in ways that the other weighs and be prioritized more. Most of the current successful platforms tend to balance those as RTP creates quality clients and promotions/advertisements adds more clients. If they would ever step up the promotions to the point their RTP would decrease, they will just simply lose their constant momentum of having customers that enjoys their platform. BUT, if they choose to just let the community and players promote them by having an enjoyable and high RTP platform, then they can gain more clients than what they could spend on promotions by influencers, advertisements, or celebrities. How?

Imagine if they will use 20,000USD for a contract to a celebrity or a better marketing strategy/team WHILE having around 10,000 daily consecutive players. They can use that 20,000USD to RTP for those 10,000 who will dare get more as the RTP is already more, hence such idea would already be considered as a implicit promotion or a player-driven advertisement. IF then they use 20,000USD for the promotion than using it for RTP, their quality or RTP before promotion must be the same, else if decreased, such 10,000 players might lost interest on not even winning for tons of time trying.

[jossiel]

If there's no other choice and it's only one, majority is going to choose better RTP.

But if it's both and there's no need to choose any of them, all of us are going to agree that lots of promotions is good for the sake not just of the casino but also the stability of it.

More gamblers coming in means that you can have a peace of mind that they stay on the track and operate longer.

[ultraBTC]

So based on the feedback that I received from you guys so far, it seems that most people would prefer that the RTP must be the primary focus of the casino, to improve the gambler experience. 

There is absolutely no logic in having say 100 promotions a month and sponsoring 10 high profile celebrities and giving your existing clients a piss poor experience at your casino. You spend millions on marketing to get new people to gamble at your site, but you cannot retain them, because most of your budget goes towards marketing and not to increasing the gambling experience. 

Now, what can we as gamblers do to get the casino operators to give more attention to the gambling experience? 

The first step is simple. Just boycott online casinos with nerfed RTPs.

Unfortunately, most online players are not members of BitcoinTalk or other specifically gambling forums. They don't even know what RTP is. That's a fact. And that's why online casinos can still profit from the nerfed RTP action. Unfortunately.

That being said, there are some additional reasons (apart from pure greed) why some casinos are requesting lower RTP set-ups. But that's a theme for another (long) thread.

If I am not being wrong, does slots with lower RTP paid bigger than those that has higher RTPs?

You are indeed being wrong.

Well explained! You have given 3 examples based on the normal mathematical formula and added the importance of variance (volatility) at the end of the description. Actually, the volatility of the slots game has the main impact. Both RTP and the volatility stay on my priority list when I choose any slots game. I don't give any priority to the promotions for the attached wagering requirements.
I give priority to the RTP only when it is related to the wagering. I give priority to the low volatility and high RTP when it is about the number of spins (points gaining contest).

P.S. I just sent a merit to “timerland” by mistake

Thank you, Mahdirakib.

And yes, you are indeed correct - variance plays a significant role in any slot session. Therefore, related to wagering, it's wise to choose low-variance games to finish/clear wagering requirements. However, there is another point of view.

Some players choice high-variance slot games. And for a good reason. As variance is higher, it also means that players can get a higher advantage over casinos due to the variance. (Of course, if the player is lucky enough, in a relatively short session).

Simply put, the casino always has the house edge over players. No matter if it's 1% or 10%. But with ultra-high variance games, the lucky player can cash out early in the game by hitting that rare 5,000xbet-size win.

In other words, if you imagine the lowest of the lowest variance game (zero variance), the casino will take its profits on every single spin. Just as my example in the previous post. There would be no chance for a player to cash out or win. That's why a high-variance slot game perfectly makes sense to many casino players.

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[Cookdata]

I think promotion and RTP are two different things. Doing heavy marketing will only focus on bringing more and more players to the said Casino and bring awareness to the players or rather to people who have not used the casino in their life and even if they have, it may be that a kind of bonus will be offered for people while RTP is just a theoretical insight for players to guarantee their likelihood of winning whatever they wedge.
There are some Casino that offers an RTP and guess what, a lot of people still lose with their strategy, the reason why it is called gambling, it doesn't always give an assurance that you will always win.

[ultraBTC]

There are some Casino that offers an RTP and guess what, a lot of people still lose with their strategy, the reason why it is called gambling, it doesn't always give an assurance that you will always win.

It never gives an assurance that you will win (I intentionally missed word "always"). It's gambling.

[ipanks]

I guess it doesn't matter if it's RTP or promotional bonuses because if it's both profitable for the members, they will choose which one they will prefer. They will choose the most profitable so it depends on them. I also don't really choose RTP or promotional bonuses. Usually, if the promotion is interesting, I tend to choose the promotion because I see a high RTP also doesn't guarantee us to win more. Maybe it's better if we adjust to the conditions on the site and can choose what is profitable for us.

[Crypto Library]

I think promotion and RTP are both important. Because without promotion the company will never expand. The company attracts the attention of the consumers through promotion. And experienced gamblers gambling on seeing Return to Player (RTP). So if a gambling project wants to retain the player for long term then its RTP aspect should also be taken into consideration.

[joeperry]

Not all promotions and bonus are for everyone including me since some of them have a difficult wagering requirements and I think for long term the better RTP is better than the promotions though having both would also be an advantage to the casino since users could either use the promotion while still enjoying the better RTP.

[swogerino]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

I always prefer casinos with lots of different bonuses and promotions,casinos where every single bet counts toward an objective,for example many of the reputable casinos give you tiers in which you can upgrade,some use forever option once you reach a level,some reset these levels every month,of course I prefer those with the forever option as they don't force me to play every single month.
RTP should not deteriorate because of such events,they should keep the levels of RTP the same to keep players happy otherwise many players will quit in favor of other casinos and what is the point of these promotions in the first place.

[BitcoinAccepted]

I always prefer casinos with lots of different bonuses and promotions,casinos where every single bet counts toward an objective,for example many of the reputable casinos give you tiers in which you can upgrade,some use forever option once you reach a level,some reset these levels every month,of course I prefer those with the forever option as they don't force me to play every single month.
RTP should not deteriorate because of such events,they should keep the levels of RTP the same to keep players happy otherwise many players will quit in favor of other casinos and what is the point of these promotions in the first place.

You have a point here. Most of the casino has a good RTP that's why they have players and the promotions is just another thing to keep the players happy and active in the gambling site and if the RTP is bad then they won't be having any players in the first place.

[aioc]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

Gamblers want to see their favorite casino launching a marketing campaign, gambling promotion is proof that the casino is working its way to the top, there's a plan for expansion, but they also want to play in a casino with better RTP, it's possible that both exist in a casino so they can attract a lot of fo players, gamblers will not leave a casino if they have a better feature like RTP.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

It is commonly said that a good business advertises itself, and from research, the best form of advertising is friends bringing their friends.
And we all know that before a friend would introduce a gambling site to another friend or friends, there must be something really interesting and unique about that particular game site, so this is why it is better for casinos to spend that much money in making thier casino the best and also provide the best services to their customers so that this customers will have a good experience with that casino, this way, this customers wil be encouraged to introduce that casino to their friends who will in turn become customers too,.

Good casinos knows how to balance between marketing and user experience, they don't sacrifice one for the other, a good casino should know how  balance this two, make their customers happy as well as market their product out there, making their customers happy is also part of marketing like I've explained above.

[panjul07]

Although you did not mention the name of the casino but I'm pretty sure that I know which casino you are talking about since you have posted similar thing on their ANN thread few times.
In this case, I do prefer the promotion than RTP as I do like promotion a lot especially +EV promotion where there is a great chance to make some money with less risk.
I do think like this because RTP for me is just a number, it does not affect my luck while gambling although I have better chance of winning with higher RTP.

[milewilda]

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Gamblers want to see their favorite casino launching a marketing campaign, gambling promotion is proof that the casino is working its way to the top, there's a plan for expansion, but they also want to play in a casino with better RTP, it's possible that both exist in a casino so they can attract a lot of fo players, gamblers will not leave a casino if they have a better feature like RTP.

Why would need to choose if they could really be having everything on trying out to achieve good results via being too aggressive in terms of marketing and other feature on a casino must have.
Different people does have different preference when it comes to RTP whether they do stick out with low or high ones. Give them both options since we know there are providers with  slots
on having these properties.Therefore, both things could be done if they are able to do so.

[kaya11]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

I would picked both. Marketing is needed, as we can see it is effective in all kinds of business. The company should not go overboard or it will lead to leaving the services' performance a thumbs down. They could manage to have promotions at the same time give the best to their consumers. Maybe lessen in the promotions to half and boost the RTP for the meantime to make people stay, they can do it in a versatile way depending on the situation, or where the attention is needed the most.

[Yogee]

.... Now, I am not going to say which site it is....

I do not really play a lot of casino games so I can't really choose whether more promotions or RTP but a player like you should let them know what you think of the situation.  Tell them in private if you want. They should be able to listen to commumity feedback if they are that popular as you portray them to be.

[jossiel]

If there's no other choice and it's only one, majority is going to choose better RTP.

But if it's both and there's no need to choose any of them, all of us are going to agree that lots of promotions is good for the sake not just of the casino but also the stability of it.

More gamblers coming in means that you can have a peace of mind that they stay on the track and operate longer.

It depends on the promotion, Usually promotion has requirements that almost impossible to meet such as x50 wagering requirements and above. Only sportsbet and its subsidiaries casino that offers a promotion that only requires one-time bet on the bonus amount. A better RTP is mich better for a player that doing gambling basis because they have a high chance to win oer bet due to improved chance rate. I noticed recently that most of the live show games nerfed there RTP dow to 95% and below which is very alarming and so boring to play.

That's what the majority is going to choose and like, a better RTP.

But as for the promotions, it's also one thing that many gamblers like. It will depend on the type of promotion that they do, if it's achievable and the prizes are high.

I'm sure that even the requirements are quite hard and needs a high wagering requirement, there will still be a lot of participants for it. Especially those that has the budget to spend and they know that they'll get a return afterwards upon joining and hitting the prize.

[famososMuertos]

So based on the feedback that I received from you guys so far, it seems that most people would prefer that the RTP must be the primary focus of the casino, to improve the gambler experience.  
...//..::

Well, there were several, but a user explained it well, I think you are giving the discussion the appropriate turn and with the appropriate promptness, but some are still in RTP mode 

...//:::Now, what can we as gamblers do to get the casino operators to give more attention to the gambling experience?  

Nowadays there are a lot of recreational players, the reasons are already known and that trail still remains, we live in a time when casinos know it and the frequent player has a diatribe with the proposal of his idea marketing vs RTP, but not the recreational player, sometimes does not even understand what the RTP is or if the house wins x%, what interests him is a very large neon sign with the letters "promotions here every day, etc".

If you are a frequent player, look for the casinos where they appreciate your wager, there are, there are casinos that always handle that very well, that of the players who are there and those who arrive, and if you like the other casino so much, return when you understand that it is the Right now, it sounds like a love story, but it's actually a money story.

[Darker45]

First, how did you know that the reduction of RTP is due to these new projects?

Anyway, it is expected that gamblers are to side with a better gambling experience. They're gamblers. They're there to gamble. What would they benefit from all these promotions, campaigns, and sponsorships?

It is ironic that casinos will sacrifice gambling experience for the sake of saving money that would be spent for marketing. What is there to market if they are already sacrificing the well-loved features of their casino? The gamblers are their sources of revenue. They treat them well, they will earn more. They treat them poorly, they will earn less.

If this is true, this decision by the casino will definitely backfire.

[lienfaye]

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Better RTP is good and its one of the reason why gamblers are staying on the casino. Hence, if they cant have better RTP,  then they cant expect the gamblers to stay. On the other side promotion is one of the effective strategy of the casino to attract potential gamblers but it should be balance that the players are seeing their casino with better RTP plus good promotion. If possible both are necessary.

[naim027]

Of course I preffer Better RTP. I don't play slots but I like to play In-House games. Dice, Roulette, Mines, Crash for example. I like Dice most because most of the casinos offer a 1% House edge on Dice games. If a casino increases the house edge for dice games, I won't play there anymore even if they offer better service.

Take Cryptoplay.io for example, They offer a daily Wager contest, Weekly Contest, and monthly contest. But, There are a lot of casinos doesn't have these types of wager contests. Still, I won't play on Cryptoplay because their Dice game has lower RTP than others.

[Peanutswar]

I don't have too much money regarding with gambling so it's not quite ideal for me with the system of the RTP but still, this is a good marketing thing to the gambling platform because it's better to have a lot of players because of different promotions and rate back to their players. Some of the platforms with the highest RTP has the most players.

[Mauser]

I think that a good RTP is important for a casino to keep their existing players happy and engaged. If the RTP is too low that players will go bust too fast and leave the casino. There should always be a way to make our money back. So if I had to choose between promotions and RTP I would go with higher RTP. The problem here is of course that casino profit margins will be lower and with less money spend on advertising less new players join the casino. The promotions through the advertising campaign might be only for new players, which is a bit sad. Maybe to compensate the lower RTP the casinos could include existing players into their promotions.

[Poker Player]

In my case, 99% of the time I only play poker, I prefer what makes me the most money but I don't have a choice.. The fiat poker houses have traditionally preferred to give rakeback as a way to attract players and keep those who already played on the site. Since 10 years ago or so, the rake went up and the rakeback was reduced. This was due to several factors: the Black Friday poker, regulations that entailed the payment of taxes and the compartmentalization of the market, and a tightening of the market because people know how to play more and more.

Nowadays, the rake is much higher than when I started and they give much less rakeback but all the houses always give some rakeback for promotions. I wouldn't mind playing on a site that didn't give rakeback but where the rake was lower than the sum of rakeback minus rake where I currently play.

[Kakmakr]

I read every single reply in this thread and I can say that the majority of them prefer a more favorable RTP over promotions. Now, you can say that the reason for that is that most of those people are gamblers and it is natural for them to request for that, but I say... if a gambler have a nice experience and they receive value for their money... then they will gamble more at that casino.

You will not maintain you gamblers if you suck them dry with every session. There should be a very good balance between losing too much and winning too much at a casino. Imagine visiting a site every day with say a $100 deposit and you can only play for 10 minutes.... How long will it take for you to stop gambling at that site?

[michellee]

I read every single reply in this thread and I can say that the majority of them prefer a more favorable RTP over promotions. Now, you can say that the reason for that is that most of those people are gamblers and it is natural for them to request for that, but I say... if a gambler have a nice experience and they receive value for their money... then they will gamble more at that casino.

You will not maintain you gamblers if you suck them dry with every session. There should be a very good balance between losing too much and winning too much at a casino. Imagine visiting a site every day with say a $100 deposit and you can only play for 10 minutes.... How long will it take for you to stop gambling at that site?

If that happens to me, 10 minutes is the time for me to stop gambling on that site, whatever the outcome. I will set the alarm for 10 minutes before I start playing and stop immediately after the alarm goes off and I will not try to deposit any other amount of money.

But I've never gambled on $100 because I can't take the risk if I lose that amount. I'd rather play small, maybe $20-$30 and play for 10-30 minutes. After that, I'll quit straight away and won't be back in a few days.

[AicecreaME]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

Campaigns, promotions, partnerships, and collaborations with famous influencers would all be futile if the service quality offered will be compromised. Personally, I prefer having a decent experience with nice RTP because that's how you'll fully enjoy the game and the money you will place on a casino. Those partnerships and campaigns sure help them to encourage more customers or clients, but they better be sure that they are still providing the best services worth every penny. Because if not, clients will eventually lose interest and will have an urge to find a better casino offering what they are looking for.

It would be best if a casino would be able to balance the two. After all, it holds a factor in getting a client and making a client stay at the same time. It will just be up to them how they would do it.

[stepwilli]

They are only getting the benefit all by themselves if what they did is a pure marketing so why would someone prefer it? it so sad that this site your talking about sacrifice the RTP only to get more money and use that money for marketing purposes. What can happen is old players will leave but they can pull a replacement when those newbies see the casino ads. They don't know that it was only a trap but they will soon realize this too.

I think that kind of casinos are greedy because they are not contented on what they currently have but they want more and as a result they do crazier things. They didn't know that this can only kill their businesses.

[Yogee]

..... Imagine visiting a site every day with say a $100 deposit and you can only play for 10 minutes.... How long will it take for you to stop gambling at that site?

Hehe that's going to be the first and last if it happens to me. I wonder what would be the minimum bet to lose that fast? I probably would not even start if I know it would only take that long because it's not worth the experience. I don't think players who prefer fast-paced games would even appreciate that.

[DoublerHunter]

Campaigns, promotions, partnerships, and collaborations with famous influencers would all be futile if the service quality offered will be compromised. Personally, I prefer having a decent experience with nice RTP because that's how you'll fully enjoy the game and the money you will place on a casino. Those partnerships and campaigns sure help them to encourage more customers or clients, but they better be sure that they are still providing the best services worth every penny. Because if not, clients will eventually lose interest and will have an urge to find a better casino offering what they are looking for.

It would be best if a casino would be able to balance the two. After all, it holds a factor in getting a client and making a client stay at the same time. It will just be up to them how they would do it.

^ Balance the two could be better or put weight on the RTP than the promotions or campaigns because when people try to test it they will surely enjoy it and stay on that platform once they like it and think that there is more beneficial to stay on that gambling casino because it has a high RTP that they can have. The combination of the two I think will cause to the casino becomes a faster-growing casino, as we can see many casinos doing that here and the more active these promotions with also have a high RTP will have a lot of users that stay for sure.

[Oilacris]

Campaigns, promotions, partnerships, and collaborations with famous influencers would all be futile if the service quality offered will be compromised. Personally, I prefer having a decent experience with nice RTP because that's how you'll fully enjoy the game and the money you will place on a casino. Those partnerships and campaigns sure help them to encourage more customers or clients, but they better be sure that they are still providing the best services worth every penny. Because if not, clients will eventually lose interest and will have an urge to find a better casino offering what they are looking for.

It would be best if a casino would be able to balance the two. After all, it holds a factor in getting a client and making a client stay at the same time. It will just be up to them how they would do it.

^ Balance the two could be better or put weight on the RTP than the promotions or campaigns because when people try to test it they will surely enjoy it and stay on that platform once they like it and think that there is more beneficial to stay on that gambling casino because it has a high RTP that they can have. The combination of the two I think will cause to the casino becomes a faster-growing casino, as we can see many casinos doing that here and the more active these promotions with also have a high RTP will have a lot of users that stay for sure.

Balance is much more preferable because you cant just focus on marketing but you had missed out or lacking on site features and benefits which could make people or player stay on the site for long.

If you cant able to generate such interest then those things would really be that temporal if you are really focusing on promotions.Having both would be ideal but of course it wont be an assurance.

Handling out gambling business is something thats not easy to be done thats why lots of trial and error you would really be considering out as a business owner.

[coin-investor]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

Every player loves to play in a popular casino with a good reputation but what would make them stay is the RTP, house edge, and features promotions and features go together but between the two, players will prefer RTP because it's fair for players, promotions are for casinos while RTP is for players, the promotion will be worth nothing if they don't like the RTP that would not make them stay.
It's good for both casinos and players to have these two it's a win-win situation for both of them.

[fiulpro]

See Promotions are something thats really good to get the people in there, in the new sites since most of the times people do join sites due to promotions as well but ofc RTP matters more since that's something that is going to keep the people in the long haul.

I think RTP is more important that promotions but promotions are definitely important for the short term! I have joined plenty of sites because of the promotions but ended up staying with the one's I liked more, they might not have much promotions but at the end the sites offer better and longer lasting impression on the users and it is more credible and trusted.

[mu_enrico]

I prefer default high RTP (~96%) for slots. The reason is that I don't like the hassle of activating promotion, playing at the required date/time, and completing the wagering requirement. For sure, it can be more than the reduced RTP if you play frequently. However, I like the freedom of choosing the time and the duration of my playing session. I'm not the kind of player who commits to get better perks, but more of "follows the intuition" type. I jump around casinos when the devil tells me to do so

[ethereumhunter]

..... Imagine visiting a site every day with say a $100 deposit and you can only play for 10 minutes.... How long will it take for you to stop gambling at that site?

Hehe that's going to be the first and last if it happens to me. I wonder what would be the minimum bet to lose that fast? I probably would not even start if I know it would only take that long because it's not worth the experience. I don't think players who prefer fast-paced games would even appreciate that.

I don't think there is a minimum bet to lose that fast because it all depends on the individual gambler. Maybe a gambler will use the all-in for fast betting, but not all gamblers will like the fast bet type because it will cost them all their money. It's better just to use a small bet while enjoying the course of the gambling game and who knows, we can win halfway. And try not to rush to press the button and try not to spend all the money in one day. Save the rest of the money for the next day so you don't have to deposit money back just to gamble.

[magneto]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

Oh, absolutely not.

Promos are great but a lot of times it is a waste of time - taking part in one of them will probably set you back a ton of time and money.

Besides, most promotions are actually +EV for the casino (except rare cases).

For a casino, this might work depending on their target demographic. But for the most serious players, they would all care more about RTP rather than promos.

[LUCKMCFLY]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there. 

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss... 

Oh, absolutely not.

Promos are great but a lot of times it is a waste of time - taking part in one of them will probably set you back a ton of time and money.

Besides, most promotions are actually +EV for the casino (except rare cases).

For a casino, this might work depending on their target demographic. But for the most serious players, they would all care more about RTP rather than promos.

I agree with your opinion, the truth is that the most experienced players care more about the RTP, but honestly, when we think about sites, those with the most promotions are always the ones that attract the most attention, and although many of the casinos are always in search of traffic, we can intuit that if it represents one of the great challenges for casinos, because they understand very well that advertising, marketing pays for itself over time, in addition, promotions attract novice players who get carried away by the best promotions, this is something that maybe they say that if more people enter a platform, more money can be moved (without underestimating professional players)

[ultraBTC]

Glad to see that majority of Bitcointalk members prefer RTP over promotions. In the long run, playing on the highest/default RTP settings will bring you more playtime, higher chances of a win and overall winning sessions.

Of course, the house will always win in the long run, but you will have a better chance of a good session playing your favorite slot game with default RTP settings. I have recently been a consultant on the blog post covering this topic about nerfed slots. You can check out the graph of how reduced RTP slots vs default ones affect overall slot playtime. Anyway, I will try to summarize it in some of my future threads.

[Peanutswar]

..... Imagine visiting a site every day with say a $100 deposit and you can only play for 10 minutes.... How long will it take for you to stop gambling at that site?

Hehe that's going to be the first and last if it happens to me. I wonder what would be the minimum bet to lose that fast? I probably would not even start if I know it would only take that long because it's not worth the experience. I don't think players who prefer fast-paced games would even appreciate that.

Still depends on the situation some of the gambler do some small bets just to enjoy the game at the same time is lessen the possible lose and risk but of course you cannot make a good profit with this game too much unless you hit a bonus and make a buy starter bonuses to get profit. Always selfawareness is the most ideal thing so we can manage when is the right time to stop and still playing, if you are willing to lose your assets you can make a high risk reward, its not ideal to play gambling when you think you are not emotionally stable and mentally so gambling responsibly.

[goldkingcoiner]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

In the short term, the promotional marketing campaigns will get you an audience and even some nice leads. In the long term, the low RTP (Return To Player) is going to make a lot of people want to leave them for a competitor with better RTP.

So in the long term, it is not such a wise decision. Maybe the gambling casino is getting tired and wants a last hurrah before becoming nothing?

Red flag for Investors if yes.

[VanityWallets2015]

Promotion and high RTP is both important and most gambling site are not focusing on one thing but both since both are important in the casino to keep their player or attract new players some gambling sites are competing in both promotion and higher RTP.

[dothebeats]

Promotion is equally important, but RTP is no doubt, the better choice for better player retention and if one really wants to play for a long time on a single platform. For business perspective, promotion is the most obvious choice. They would need to rake up the numbers of players in their platform in order to ramp up their revenue, but without RTP, they can't keep that same number of players intact for too long. Then again, loyal players to the platform tend to spend more money than new comers, so why not scale up the RTP but keep the promotions open?

I'm a fan of platforms with generous RTP. They're in it to build a community AND profit, but not at the expense of player experience on the platform itself.

[Saisher]

It's retention against recruiting new players, we all know that for a casino to run smoothly it must have loyal and permanent players it will not be possible if they have a poor RTP and concentrate on promotion, retention is very important for the casino to continue existing that is why well-established casinos concentrate on retaining their players by offering bonuses giveaways and of course better RTP.

[dimonstration]

It's retention against recruiting new players, we all know that for a casino to run smoothly it must have loyal and permanent players it will not be possible if they have a poor RTP and concentrate on promotion, retention is very important for the casino to continue existing that is why well-established casinos concentrate on retaining their players by offering bonuses giveaways and of course better RTP.

Fair point but Casino should balance the funds allocated on RTP and Promotions because they are both vital on each purposed. Casino is business so it’s normal that they will get more profit most of the time even they offer higher RTP as they promise. In able to benefit on a RTP, ypu need to wager huge money to get back a percentage of it while a promotion in the other hand let new user attract to play in the Casino due to its straight forward. So we don’t need to prioritize any off them because they works in synchronized to each other. Casino with a balance budget for this is the best in long term.

[Cling18]

Only new gamblers would focus on bonuses and promotions because real gamblers would prefer a good flow of RTP. What's the sense of too much advertisement if it will cause traffic and might ruin the whole game? Everything should be put in balance because if there would be a problem with the RTP, it will also affect the reputation of the site.

[bitbollo]

Only new gamblers would focus on bonuses and promotions because real gamblers would prefer a good flow of RTP. What's the sense of too much advertisement if it will cause traffic and might ruin the whole game? Everything should be put in balance because if there would be a problem with the RTP, it will also affect the reputation of the site.

this is absolutely true with casino games but this is not the same with sports betting since promotions and bonuses are always welcome and very useful. like special odds or bonus bets allow gamblers to maximize their profit. Definitely not bad.
For certain bets I can also loss a 5-10% of odds if I have more options for my games...

[stomachgrowls]

Only new gamblers would focus on bonuses and promotions because real gamblers would prefer a good flow of RTP. What's the sense of too much advertisement if it will cause traffic and might ruin the whole game? Everything should be put in balance because if there would be a problem with the RTP, it will also affect the reputation of the site.

Cause of too much traffic? Site should really anticipate on possible scenario but i believe that most platforms are ready for that but still that brings a big question of "What if" but in overall you would not

know if the site would really go into that particular state or condition on where there are lots of gamblers who would play on the site.Marketing does play a big role and of course good bonuses and
promotions would be attached to it but we know that there would be particular conditions which do makes it not to be that appealing..
RTP and other odds related things will somewhat a good look up for someone who does have experience in gambling.

[panjul07]

Only new gamblers would focus on bonuses and promotions because real gamblers would prefer a good flow of RTP.

This is not completely true, how can real gamblers stay longer in the casino if there is no bonuses and promotions?
Bonuses and promotions are not designed to attract new gamblers only but it is also to make real gambler stay to play as long as possible.

What's the sense of too much advertisement if it will cause traffic and might ruin the whole game?

This is a real fact we cant deny, most casinos are trying hard to boost the traffic and advertisement, promotions, bonuses, etc are some of the most used ways.
Good casino will always be ready for huge traffic, so it wont affect the whole game.

Everything should be put in balance because if there would be a problem with the RTP, it will also affect the reputation of the site.

I have to agree about the "balance" but I cant agree with your statement that RTP will affect the reputation of the site.
Is there any real example of a casino with bad reputation just because of RTP?

[RyanSmith23421]

I think that if they're just working on marketing while leaving behind their RTP, it's a waste of time, effort and money... maybe they're planning something else so it doesn't get affected.

[goaldigger]

I think that if they're just working on marketing while leaving behind their RTP, it's a waste of time, effort and money... maybe they're planning something else so it doesn't get affected.

Not a waste of money most probably because they wont do it if its not effective and most probably their goal to have more gamblers on their site that’s why they took risk on increasing their marketing funds. Honestly, we can’t do anything about this since we have no control over the site, and if you think its not worth it to gamble on that site anymore, you’re free to go to other site and play there. I prefer the good odds than to sacrificed much of my money on a site that I don’t wont pay that much in favor to the gamblers.

[qwertyup23]

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Personally, I would choose a gambling website that offers the best return-to-player profit for the best possible scenario.

Gambling in itself is already risky- profits are not guaranteed and you suffer absolute loss of the money you wagered if you lost the bet. Assuming that the risk associated in one gambling site that has better RTP is the same with another gambling site that has tons of promotions, then I think it is obvious that you would choose the former.

Better to maximize all the profits since the risks associated with the two are the same. Though marketing in a gambling website gives you the sense of security that they are genuine, again, profits wise, best RTPs still win by a long shot.

[TimeTeller]

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Personally, I would choose a gambling website that offers the best return-to-player profit for the best possible scenario.

Gambling in itself is already risky- profits are not guaranteed and you suffer absolute loss of the money you wagered if you lost the bet. Assuming that the risk associated in one gambling site that has better RTP is the same with another gambling site that has tons of promotions, then I think it is obvious that you would choose the former.

Better to maximize all the profits since the risks associated with the two are the same. Though marketing in a gambling website gives you the sense of security that they are genuine, again, profits wise, best RTPs still win by a long shot.

I guess, I will prefer also the RTP factor here over promotions or campaigns/rewards.
Because most of the time, you are not able to participate in those promotions or contests.
So if you are just an occasional player not bothering those promotions, you will opt for better RTP.
At least, whenever you want to play, you know you are getting the better RTP among casinos.

[AicecreaME]

It's retention against recruiting new players, we all know that for a casino to run smoothly it must have loyal and permanent players it will not be possible if they have a poor RTP and concentrate on promotion, retention is very important for the casino to continue existing that is why well-established casinos concentrate on retaining their players by offering bonuses giveaways and of course better RTP.

You have a valid point. However, RTP and Promotions should come hand-in-hand in order for a gambling website to be successful and competitive. Both RTP and promotions are essential in retaining and gaining new players. Promotions encourage people to gamble on their site, which is of importance because any business has to grow. Having new clients will boost the development and perhaps the expansion of the gambling website.

Meanwhile, RTP's main goal is to preserve and maintain the presence of the current players who stayed with them for a long period of time. Having a nice RTP will keep the existing players play on their website, maintaining the traffic and active players in it.

This is why both is important in a gambling site. The owner must be able to manage the website's need such as RTP and promotions, in a balanced way, so that they could garner and maintain their patronages.

[Wexnident]

I think that if they're just working on marketing while leaving behind their RTP, it's a waste of time, effort and money... maybe they're planning something else so it doesn't get affected.

Not a waste of money most probably because they wont do it if its not effective and most probably their goal to have more gamblers on their site that’s why they took risk on increasing their marketing funds. Honestly, we can’t do anything about this since we have no control over the site, and if you think its not worth it to gamble on that site anymore, you’re free to go to other site and play there. I prefer the good odds than to sacrificed much of my money on a site that I don’t wont pay that much in favor to the gamblers.

It's actually more advantageous for them since the more players they get while the lower RTP ratio they have, the greater the profit. RTP isn't actually something you'd need to take note of like marketing BUT it is important to manage it so that players don't feel that the casino is just stealing money from them. It's for a long-term relationship between the casino and the user. Fully concentrating on the marketing on  the other hand only creates a short term relationship with the casino, since players would naturally leave a casino that has bad RTP.

[Johnyz]

I think that if they're just working on marketing while leaving behind their RTP, it's a waste of time, effort and money... maybe they're planning something else so it doesn't get affected.

They can just do both without sacrificing the quality of the platform, decreasing the RTP just to spend more money on their marketing is not a good one. Though, most of the time gamblers left with no choice but to keep on playing, because some reputable site still offers good games and good odds even if they spend more money on their marketing. Its better to participate on those promotions, you might got lucky and be one of the winner of those promotions, you can see a lot on games and boards section.

[khaled0111]

It depends. Personally, if I'm bored and want to spend as much time as possible playing games on a casino just for the sake of fun while I have a limited bankroll, then I'll definitely choose the casino with the highest RTP / lowest house edge.
If I sign up on a casino (wich have a high HE) just because am attracted by their bonuses then there are high chances that I will not play there again after withdrawing the winnings (if any).
Theoretically, the casino with the highest RTP and no promotion is supposed to be the most profitable. But in real life, it totally depends on your luck and the kind of promotions and the requirements attached to them.

[Distinctin]

Both are very important, marketing should continue as every gambling site wants to grow and expand. They need to keep their old players by giving the best services while at the same time, they also need to continue marketing to increase their market. There's no need to choose actually because a great gambling site would always serve the best interest of the users.

[DoublerHunter]

Both are very important, marketing should continue as every gambling site wants to grow and expand. They need to keep their old players by giving the best services while at the same time, they also need to continue marketing to increase their market. There's no need to choose actually because a great gambling site would always serve the best interest of the users.

^ Definitely right, they should be equal, the highest RTP and the marketing promotion, but there are some gambling casinos that cannot handle this, they focus on promotions with less RTP. Probably that is the reason why they did not grow faster. I saw a gambling casino here in the forum that just only a month they grow faster, they are very generous on giving bonuses and contests as well and also the marketing, they are very aggressive on it and now, even they are the largest casino, they continue doing this.

[Johnyz]

Both are very important, marketing should continue as every gambling site wants to grow and expand. They need to keep their old players by giving the best services while at the same time, they also need to continue marketing to increase their market. There's no need to choose actually because a great gambling site would always serve the best interest of the users.

Unfortunately, some site are doing the opposite they are focus more on their marketing side which gives the consequences on decreasing the RTP. I also believe that this should be balance, but if the site are more eager to attract more gamblers than to let them stay for a while, then I believe there’s a problem with the site and they didn’t value their service at all, marketing is not good if its too much it can ruin other things.

[savetheFORUM]

It's actually more advantageous for them since the more players they get while the lower RTP ratio they have, the greater the profit. RTP isn't actually something you'd need to take note of like marketing BUT it is important to manage it so that players don't feel that the casino is just stealing money from them. It's for a long-term relationship between the casino and the user. Fully concentrating on the marketing on  the other hand only creates a short term relationship with the casino, since players would naturally leave a casino that has bad RTP.

Maybe this is what is happening on the casino that I am playing. They only adjust their rtp from time to time because I can sometimes win on them while most of the times I am losing and I feel that there is a change in the game that I am playing with, it's now difficult to win or hit that higher multipliers that I am targeting. Most of the multipliers that I am getting now are low and sometimes zero.

Casino should be more fairer if they want their players to stay on them because not all gamblers are only playing for fun and will always throw away their money but most of us are playing for the profit. They should keep that in mind. We didn't care much on the promotions since they still have a hard condition to fulfill.

[Theones]

It's actually more advantageous for them since the more players they get while the lower RTP ratio they have, the greater the profit. RTP isn't actually something you'd need to take note of like marketing BUT it is important to manage it so that players don't feel that the casino is just stealing money from them. It's for a long-term relationship between the casino and the user. Fully concentrating on the marketing on  the other hand only creates a short term relationship with the casino, since players would naturally leave a casino that has bad RTP.

Maybe this is what is happening on the casino that I am playing. They only adjust their rtp from time to time because I can sometimes win on them while most of the times I am losing and I feel that there is a change in the game that I am playing with, it's now difficult to win or hit that higher multipliers that I am targeting. Most of the multipliers that I am getting now are low and sometimes zero.

Casino should be more fairer if they want their players to stay on them because not all gamblers are only playing for fun and will always throw away their money but most of us are playing for the profit. They should keep that in mind. We didn't care much on the promotions since they still have a hard condition to fulfill.

And the terms and condition are most of the time not mentioned well.
In my opinion no serious and expert player will go to the website which would prefer marketing over the gambling, also its a serious mind game. And these pops are a real distractions.

[Eureka_07]

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Casino should be more fairer if they want their players to stay on them because not all gamblers are only playing for fun and will always throw away their money but most of us are playing for the profit. They should keep that in mind. We didn't care much on the promotions since they still have a hard condition to fulfill.

I think, reputable casinos, maybe we can still say, most casinos are fair when it comes to the RTP. If you happen to have doubts on your casino's RTP on slots, you can always try to verify it if those games are really probably fair. You can use Probably Fair Verifier. Some of the verifiers that I know are provablyfair.me and btcgosu.com. You can use them if you have doubts to your casino.

[iv4n]

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Casino should be more fairer if they want their players to stay on them because not all gamblers are only playing for fun and will always throw away their money but most of us are playing for the profit. They should keep that in mind. We didn't care much on the promotions since they still have a hard condition to fulfill.

I think, reputable casinos, maybe we can still say, most casinos are fair when it comes to the RTP. If you happen to have doubts on your casino's RTP on slots, you can always try to verify it if those games are really probably fair. You can use Probably Fair Verifier. Some of the verifiers that I know are provablyfair.me and btcgosu.com. You can use them if you have doubts to your casino.

I am not sure do you know, but you can only verify in-house games, third party games can't be verified! Third-party games like slots and live games come from different providers, their algorithms are unknown! So we either trust providers or we don't!

From my experience, RTP doesn't mean anything! You either have luck or you don't! I played low and high RTP slots and I have a different experience, so different that you can't draw any conclusions from all that! So it's like we risk our money in playing slots and we hope for some luck, whether that can come or not! I had so many dead spins streaks with low and high RTP slots, when I don't have luck any slot will just drain me! But some slots can be very generous, just if we are lucky, and that's why we are playing them, to try to hit that lucky spin!

[Fortify]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

It's worth considering that promotions are not always a good thing to use. I've seen the odd story and anecdotal evidence in the past that some gambling companies have even created long term penalties against user accounts who signed up and took advantage of welcome bonuses. Obviously this would not be publicized, but these casino companies are black box operations most of the time so they can do whatever tweaking them want in the background and it makes sense if they want to recoup losses on these expensive customer acquisitions. Besides using free bet offers, it might be better - if you intend to stick with a gambling company for a while - to just skip any relatively small sign up bonuses for this reason.

[og kush420]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

It's worth considering that promotions are not always a good thing to use. I've seen the odd story and anecdotal evidence in the past that some gambling companies have even created long term penalties against user accounts who signed up and took advantage of welcome bonuses. Obviously this would not be publicized, but these casino companies are black box operations most of the time so they can do whatever tweaking them want in the background and it makes sense if they want to recoup losses on these expensive customer acquisitions. Besides using free bet offers, it might be better - if you intend to stick with a gambling company for a while - to just skip any relatively small sign up bonuses for this reason.

very well said. I also have my point of view - which can be wrong. But for a serious player the promotion is not a good choice, they have their mindset for gambling and the promotions and ads are distracting. That is why a serious player would look for something add free.

[Markinzo]

What's the essence of the promotions without a good RTP. Will the promotion cause traffic? Yes, but not for long. So what's the essence !

[YinShuiSiYuan]

I would say that the gambling sites should stick to RTP rather than bonuses and marketing. Though that can be a good catch but not for a high roll player. The high roll player would only go for the big return,

[Mauser]

In theory I would expect that more promotions and special offers are attracting more customers short term. There should be a strong correlation between a new promotion and higher traffic at a casino. But some of this traffic will probably disappear when the promotion ends. Whereas higher RTP games should keep a higher percentage of the gamblers at the casino. In case the casino has a certain amount of money than can give back to the gamblers either through promotions or RTP, then the casino needs to find the right mix between the two. The thing is that a change in RTP might not really be noticed by the individual gambler. Let's say that the casino changes it RTP from 95% to 96%. It's a big step for the casino, but for the average gambler it only makes a small difference. That's why I prefer to use promotions, here you know exactly what you get and it makes it easier to plan ahead.

[AicecreaME]

In theory I would expect that more promotions and special offers are attracting more customers short term. There should be a strong correlation between a new promotion and higher traffic at a casino. But some of this traffic will probably disappear when the promotion ends. Whereas higher RTP games should keep a higher percentage of the gamblers at the casino. In case the casino has a certain amount of money than can give back to the gamblers either through promotions or RTP, then the casino needs to find the right mix between the two. The thing is that a change in RTP might not really be noticed by the individual gambler. Let's say that the casino changes it RTP from 95% to 96%. It's a big step for the casino, but for the average gambler it only makes a small difference. That's why I prefer to use promotions, here you know exactly what you get and it makes it easier to plan ahead.

This is an interesting insight. Personally, I think greater RTP is more sensible over spending on promotions, especially if a casino or a gambling website is already well known. But now that you've mentioned it, I agree that promotions can be useful to increase the traffic in a site which is of importance to this kind of industry to determine whether it is worth it or not.

I guess the gambling sites should really get the balanced and perfect mixed combinations of both to really achieve their desired result in both garnering new players and at the same time, retaining those existing players on their site. Perhaps these promotions such as collaborations, partnerships, and the likes really matter in terms of marketing to gain more new players. Although they should still not overspend on it because excessive funding of promotion could compromise their services offered without them noticing.

[robelneo]

In theory I would expect that more promotions and special offers are attracting more customers short term. There should be a strong correlation between a new promotion and higher traffic at a casino. But some of this traffic will probably disappear when the promotion ends. Whereas higher RTP games should keep a higher percentage of the gamblers at the casino. In case the casino has a certain amount of money than can give back to the gamblers either through promotions or RTP, then the casino needs to find the right mix between the two. The thing is that a change in RTP might not really be noticed by the individual gambler. Let's say that the casino changes it RTP from 95% to 96%. It's a big step for the casino, but for the average gambler it only makes a small difference. That's why I prefer to use promotions, here you know exactly what you get and it makes it easier to plan ahead.

This is an interesting insight. Personally, I think greater RTP is more sensible over spending on promotions, especially if a casino or a gambling website is already well known. But now that you've mentioned it, I agree that promotions can be useful to increase the traffic in a site which is of importance to this kind of industry to determine whether it is worth it or not.

I guess the gambling sites should really get the balanced and perfect mixed combinations of both to really achieve their desired result in both garnering new players and at the same time, retaining those existing players on their site. Perhaps these promotions such as collaborations, partnerships, and the likes really matter in terms of marketing to gain more new players. Although they should still not overspend on it because excessive funding of promotion could compromise their services offered without them noticing.

Casinos should first build a community this is the first step and most important step, the most important is retention offering them the best RTP is the best option to retain them, a good RTP and an active and loyal user is a casino's best feature you can even get new users by word of the mouth, gamblers will do you a big favor by inviting their friends or fellow gamblers to play so casinos should spend more on better RTP than promotion, promotion is good but things should be first taken care of inside so promotion can take off.
Promotion should be about speaking about how good is the casino and its features.

[Erdogan]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

I don't know where you got the information that the RTP has been changed, because casinos usually don't share such detailed information. You can only know the maximum RTP range given by the software provider.
However, my guess is that by watching the casino spend a lot of money on marketing, you can just guess that the money comes from the raised house edge.
Unfortunately, marketing is an indispensable weapon of every casino in the fight for customers. If a casino wants to develop, it has to look for new and unfortunately expensive methods of promotion. We can accept it or just look for another casino.

[mm2543363580]

In theory I would expect that more promotions and special offers are attracting more customers short term. There should be a strong correlation between a new promotion and higher traffic at a casino. But some of this traffic will probably disappear when the promotion ends. Whereas higher RTP games should keep a higher percentage of the gamblers at the casino. In case the casino has a certain amount of money than can give back to the gamblers either through promotions or RTP, then the casino needs to find the right mix between the two. The thing is that a change in RTP might not really be noticed by the individual gambler. Let's say that the casino changes it RTP from 95% to 96%. It's a big step for the casino, but for the average gambler it only makes a small difference. That's why I prefer to use promotions, here you know exactly what you get and it makes it easier to plan ahead.

This is an interesting insight. Personally, I think greater RTP is more sensible over spending on promotions, especially if a casino or a gambling website is already well known. But now that you've mentioned it, I agree that promotions can be useful to increase the traffic in a site which is of importance to this kind of industry to determine whether it is worth it or not.

I guess the gambling sites should really get the balanced and perfect mixed combinations of both to really achieve their desired result in both garnering new players and at the same time, retaining those existing players on their site. Perhaps these promotions such as collaborations, partnerships, and the likes really matter in terms of marketing to gain more new players. Although they should still not overspend on it because excessive funding of promotion could compromise their services offered without them noticing.

Are their instructors who help people how to gamble or is it a self learning process?
If its a self learning process then people would rather promotion at early level of their gambling and later the same promotion will be unbearable for them.

[wiss19]

I don't know where you got the information that the RTP has been changed, because casinos usually don't share such detailed information. You can only know the maximum RTP range given by the software provider.
However, my guess is that by watching the casino spend a lot of money on marketing, you can just guess that the money comes from the raised house edge.
Unfortunately, marketing is an indispensable weapon of every casino in the fight for customers. If a casino wants to develop, it has to look for new and unfortunately expensive methods of promotion. We can accept it or just look for another casino.

I think on some games, it is possible to see their rtp. The OP noticed that there is a change or a casino will also give a notice about a change in their rtp. We should not judge the casino early because what if the casino is just successful over the past years of its operations? And they have now lots of money to spend on their promotions. If we cant win after seeing the promotions, then it doesn't automatically means that the rtp have been adjusted but we are simply unlucky.

I like a casino that does regular promotion because it gives me confidence, that they are safe and they will not fail to pay me in case I won a really huge amount.

[perla]

Does the slot only has the RTP? or even the table games and roulettes? I think I would prefer promotion over RTP since I am not a casino guy and I am more of a sports betting player but if they have good RTP or better RTP and have a good promotions I think that was enough for all the players.

[ultraBTC]

Does the slot only has the RTP? or even the table games and roulettes? I think I would prefer promotion over RTP since I am not a casino guy and I am more of a sports betting player but if they have good RTP or better RTP and have a good promotions I think that was enough for all the players.

Every casino game has an RTP percentage.

For example, European Roulette has 37 numbers and pays x36 on the number hit. 36/37 * 100 = 97.297297 % tRTP (Theoretical RTP)
American Roulette has 38 numbers and pays x36 on the number hit. 36/37 * 100 = 94.736842 % tRTP
Blackjack is one of the best choices in regards to RTP. It can be over 99.6% depending on the Blackjack variation and strategy of playing.

You have mentioned sports betting. Every single sports event bet has tRTP. 

[AicecreaME]

Does the slot only has the RTP? or even the table games and roulettes? I think I would prefer promotion over RTP since I am not a casino guy and I am more of a sports betting player but if they have good RTP or better RTP and have a good promotions I think that was enough for all the players.

Casino games have RTP in general. This Return To Player depicts the percentage rate of chances in which a player might win as time passes by. The higher the RTP, the better it is for the player because there's a higher probability that he'll win a big amount even in a small bet. Most players really look after this in every casino because this is one of the things that will determine if you will make the most out of your bet. Oftentimes, reputable websites have good rate of RTP which is one of the reasons why they retain many players over time despite the competition in the Internet for gambling websites. Balanced RTP and promotions can definitely help a casino soar because they'll target encouraging new players and retaining the existing clients.

[longyenthanh]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

Of course there will always be a better RTP for the player than money on marketing. I get pissed off when a casino spends a lot of money on marketing, because I know some of my money is also going to that. I think it is logical that the more they spend on marketing, the more they have to increase the percentage for themselves. Fortunately, there are already so many casinos on the market that there is plenty to choose from.

[Peanutswar]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

Of course there will always be a better RTP for the player than money on marketing. I get pissed off when a casino spends a lot of money on marketing, because I know some of my money is also going to that. I think it is logical that the more they spend on marketing, the more they have to increase the percentage for themselves. Fortunately, there are already so many casinos on the market that there is plenty to choose from.

It depends on the RTP of the platform but if you have a number of spins bonuses when deposit I guess there's a higher chance to get a profit like with the bonuses when you hit a good jackpot this is just my personal preference because I do not totally fan with the slot games and base on my experience RTP is just a small percentage but imagine having 30+ bonus spin that might get profitable if you have a good spins.

[Insanerman]

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It depends on the RTP of the platform but if you have a number of spins bonuses when deposit I guess there's a higher chance to get a profit like with the bonuses when you hit a good jackpot this is just my personal preference because I do not totally fan with the slot games and base on my experience RTP is just a small percentage but imagine having 30+ bonus spin that might get profitable if you have a good spins.

RTPs are never a small percentage lol. RTPs in slots define in what percentage does the slot would RETURN to its players in each and every game. Hence, the lower the RTP, the lesser players it can attract. Regardless of the bonuses, the RTP remains the base factor on how much they can return. Though it increases your chance since it is a BONUS, it still isn't far different from just having a higher RTP than higher bonus rates.

Basically, RPTs are way better than promotions. It attracts gamblers who really plays and not those who just wants the bonuses based off on promotions. Henceforth genuine audiences.

[JohnBitCo]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

Of course there will always be a better RTP for the player than money on marketing. I get pissed off when a casino spends a lot of money on marketing, because I know some of my money is also going to that. I think it is logical that the more they spend on marketing, the more they have to increase the percentage for themselves. Fortunately, there are already so many casinos on the market that there is plenty to choose from.

Well, we need to understand that gambling is a business for the casino and hence every business will spend money on marketing in order to grow and gain more customers (gamblers in this case). Marketing is the expense of the business and every gambling site allocates a certain percentage of its budget for marketing. So if some gambling sites spend more funds on gambling, we should not be upset about it. It is their right to gain more gamblers on their site.

[Ryu_Ar1]

What's the essence of the promotions without a good RTP. Will the promotion cause traffic? Yes, but not for long. So what's the essence !

True, but in this case, when the gambling site is properly registered, I don't think we need to discuss the RTP again for that matter because they already have their own audit and regardless of the logic, when the gambling site is seen well, it is certain that the RTP there is already tested.
I personally prefer promotions in this case but only for a few sites and some trusted casinos

[dimonstration]

What's the essence of the promotions without a good RTP. Will the promotion cause traffic? Yes, but not for long. So what's the essence !

True, but in this case, when the gambling site is properly registered, I don't think we need to discuss the RTP again for that matter because they already have their own audit and regardless of the logic, when the gambling site is seen well, it is certain that the RTP there is already tested.
I personally prefer promotions in this case but only for a few sites and some trusted casinos

Return To Player(Player) means the amount the casino allocate to give back to the player in terms of cash back or rakeback that given to the player as reward to there contribution by betting in the website, It’s not subjected to an audit since the Casino decides on this as there part of casino privileges. If the RTP you are pertaining is on the slot reward then the software provider is responsible for that which is not comparable to Casino marketing as Casino doesn’t determine that.

[maydna]

What's the essence of the promotions without a good RTP. Will the promotion cause traffic? Yes, but not for long. So what's the essence !

True, but in this case, when the gambling site is properly registered, I don't think we need to discuss the RTP again for that matter because they already have their own audit and regardless of the logic, when the gambling site is seen well, it is certain that the RTP there is already tested.
I personally prefer promotions in this case but only for a few sites and some trusted casinos

Especially if the site is a trusted casino, they have slot machine games with high RTP. So those two things, promotions and RTP, will work well for a trusted casino and make its members feel more comfortable playing on that site. The promotions they do will also certainly be able to attract more people who will play on their site. It is hoped that with the right promotion, the profits of a site can increase.

[Kakmakr]

What's the essence of the promotions without a good RTP. Will the promotion cause traffic? Yes, but not for long. So what's the essence !

Well, for me the point (essence) of promotions is for the casino to promote themselves to get more "new" gamblers to join the casino. Some of the promotions are there to get existing gamblers to gamble more. (Races/Championships/Tournaments/Challenges)

So, if the RTP is too high to pay for all of this, you will get new people to gamble and your existing gamblers will eventually get frustrated and they will leave. It turns into a cycle that will eventually "kill" the casino... because you will not keep the doors open, if "new blood" does not join the casino and the old gamblers leaving. 

[yayayo]

Honestly it depends on the player whether he likes better RTP or good promotion but in reality both is important for casino and gambling site since with promotion it would let them attract new players and let the existing players to still play in their website while the RTP most of the casinos site have almost the same RTP so I think it is even in this category.

ya.ya.yo!

[ralle14]

The promotions they do will also certainly be able to attract more people who will play on their site. It is hoped that with the right promotion, the profits of a site can increase.

Not only does it attract more people but it also encourages their existing players to continue playing. Even if it's only a classic wagering competition there's still a significant increase in wagering activity.

It depends on the RTP of the platform but if you have a number of spins bonuses when deposit I guess there's a higher chance to get a profit like with the bonuses when you hit a good jackpot this is just my personal preference because I do not totally fan with the slot games and base on my experience RTP is just a small percentage but imagine having 30+ bonus spin that might get profitable if you have a good spins.

I agree those 20-30 free spin rewards you can earn from certain promotions are nice even though they're a hit or miss at times since you could get unlucky and get a bunch of dead spins but at the same time, you could get lucky and hit something decent. But on average i've been getting half of the total value of the free spins so it still provides a nice bump to my bankroll.

[rojan]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

Of course there will always be a better RTP for the player than money on marketing. I get pissed off when a casino spends a lot of money on marketing, because I know some of my money is also going to that. I think it is logical that the more they spend on marketing, the more they have to increase the percentage for themselves. Fortunately, there are already so many casinos on the market that there is plenty to choose from.

What we're trying to convey here is that what we're aiming for is a business for casinos and what the business market has to spend here, and that our gamblers are endangering business costs for customers and a certain percentage of each budget to stay away from certain player sites.  They spend a lot of money, but from here they force their site

[mak013]

I think that high RTP decreases the quantity and quality of the promotions. The casino gets less money to spend it for promotion. Of course if this is an honest casino with truthful information. And what to choose everyone decide by himself. As for me - the promotions can be more useful to the ordinary gambler - the chances to win decreases, but it is possible that promotions will bring him more money. I`m choosing promotions.

[maydna]

The promotions they do will also certainly be able to attract more people who will play on their site. It is hoped that with the right promotion, the profits of a site can increase.

Not only does it attract more people but it also encourages their existing players to continue playing. Even if it's only a classic wagering competition there's still a significant increase in wagering activity.

You are right. Therefore, these gambling sites continue to focus on promotions to attract more people, especially if they can provide promotions that attract people and big players. If they can get a lot of big players, that means the gambling site's profits can also be more than before. And providing lots of gambling games will make gambling players feel more comfortable playing on their site.

[dothebeats]

Well, for me the point (essence) of promotions is for the casino to promote themselves to get more "new" gamblers to join the casino. Some of the promotions are there to get existing gamblers to gamble more. (Races/Championships/Tournaments/Challenges)

So, if the RTP is too high to pay for all of this, you will get new people to gamble and your existing gamblers will eventually get frustrated and they will leave. It turns into a cycle that will eventually "kill" the casino... because you will not keep the doors open, if "new blood" does not join the casino and the old gamblers leaving. 

Right. There needs to be an equal stress on the importance of promotion and RTP. But ultimately, RTP is what carries a platform's profits in the long run. If not for RTP, casino player base might see a steep drop as time progresses. Newbies are only there for the bonuses. Once that runs out, they also hop in to another casino for the bonuses. If you can give them an incentive to stay and play for long, they'll do that on themselves and they would need not the insistence of the platform.

[arwin100]

The promotions they do will also certainly be able to attract more people who will play on their site. It is hoped that with the right promotion, the profits of a site can increase.

Not only does it attract more people but it also encourages their existing players to continue playing. Even if it's only a classic wagering competition there's still a significant increase in wagering activity.

You are right. Therefore, these gambling sites continue to focus on promotions to attract more people, especially if they can provide promotions that attract people and big players. If they can get a lot of big players, that means the gambling site's profits can also be more than before. And providing lots of gambling games will make gambling players feel more comfortable playing on their site.

Because this is what people expect to see on casinos since many believe thay having a good promotion can make people stay on their platform or rather  make people stay on what they offer to their gamblers. But as @dothebeats say better RTP is more good to have since this will make the gambler stay since casino will became boring once those promotional stuff ends and for sure if gambler will not see anything like this exist they flee and go to other platform who offers again some nice promotions to them.

[Peanutswar]

Well, for me the point (essence) of promotions is for the casino to promote themselves to get more "new" gamblers to join the casino. Some of the promotions are there to get existing gamblers to gamble more. (Races/Championships/Tournaments/Challenges)

So, if the RTP is too high to pay for all of this, you will get new people to gamble and your existing gamblers will eventually get frustrated and they will leave. It turns into a cycle that will eventually "kill" the casino... because you will not keep the doors open, if "new blood" does not join the casino and the old gamblers leaving. 

Right. There needs to be an equal stress on the importance of promotion and RTP. But ultimately, RTP is what carries a platform's profits in the long run. If not for RTP, casino player base might see a steep drop as time progresses. Newbies are only there for the bonuses. Once that runs out, they also hop in to another casino for the bonuses. If you can give them an incentive to stay and play for long, they'll do that on themselves and they would need not the insistence of the platform.

It is a good marketing strategy for the new website which makes it more attractive to the new gamblers to their platform so they can enjoy the RTP and other uses with the use of the bonuses which is ideal to use too those are both a marketing strategy that will gain profit but again it's all about the risk of the player to deal with it. Base in my experience I win mostly with the free spins bonuses than having with the RTP because its uses a large amount to become part of the leaderboard to gain the RTP.

[Kakmakr]

Well, for me the point (essence) of promotions is for the casino to promote themselves to get more "new" gamblers to join the casino. Some of the promotions are there to get existing gamblers to gamble more. (Races/Championships/Tournaments/Challenges)

So, if the RTP is too high to pay for all of this, you will get new people to gamble and your existing gamblers will eventually get frustrated and they will leave. It turns into a cycle that will eventually "kill" the casino... because you will not keep the doors open, if "new blood" does not join the casino and the old gamblers leaving. 

Right. There needs to be an equal stress on the importance of promotion and RTP. But ultimately, RTP is what carries a platform's profits in the long run. If not for RTP, casino player base might see a steep drop as time progresses. Newbies are only there for the bonuses. Once that runs out, they also hop in to another casino for the bonuses. If you can give them an incentive to stay and play for long, they'll do that on themselves and they would need not the insistence of the platform.

Well, the newbies just boost their game play time with the bonuses, but they are not the gamblers that are bringing in the real money. The profit for the casinos come with the highrollers and that is why most promotions and challenges are geared towards giving back to highrollers to keep them gambling.

The thing is... even the highrollers wants value for their money ....so a favorable RTP will also benefit them. A lot of the casinos are just greedy and they forget the basics, because they are too focused on aggressive marketing.  

[ultrloa]

Well, for me the point (essence) of promotions is for the casino to promote themselves to get more "new" gamblers to join the casino. Some of the promotions are there to get existing gamblers to gamble more. (Races/Championships/Tournaments/Challenges)

So, if the RTP is too high to pay for all of this, you will get new people to gamble and your existing gamblers will eventually get frustrated and they will leave. It turns into a cycle that will eventually "kill" the casino... because you will not keep the doors open, if "new blood" does not join the casino and the old gamblers leaving. 

Right. There needs to be an equal stress on the importance of promotion and RTP. But ultimately, RTP is what carries a platform's profits in the long run. If not for RTP, casino player base might see a steep drop as time progresses. Newbies are only there for the bonuses. Once that runs out, they also hop in to another casino for the bonuses. If you can give them an incentive to stay and play for long, they'll do that on themselves and they would need not the insistence of the platform.

Well, the newbies just boost their game play time with the bonuses, but they are not the gamblers that are bringing in the real money. The profit for the casinos come with the highrollers and that is why most promotions and challenges are geared towards giving back to highrollers to keep them gambling.

The thing is... even the highrollers wants value for their money ....so a favorable RTP will also benefit them. A lot of the casinos are just greedy and they forget the basics, because they are too focused on aggressive marketing.  

Because right now some people ask about more promotion than having this RTP and maybe those casinos are just following how their market dictate since if you notice once they launch their new business here the one following ask by some people is if there's promotion will run on their launch and other things which related on that matter. RTP will just set aside and newbie doesn't even recognize its importance maybe they are low baller and doesn't care about that but whales for sure enjoy to have this since this will give them better benefits upon playing.

[maydna]

The promotions they do will also certainly be able to attract more people who will play on their site. It is hoped that with the right promotion, the profits of a site can increase.

Not only does it attract more people but it also encourages their existing players to continue playing. Even if it's only a classic wagering competition there's still a significant increase in wagering activity.

You are right. Therefore, these gambling sites continue to focus on promotions to attract more people, especially if they can provide promotions that attract people and big players. If they can get a lot of big players, that means the gambling site's profits can also be more than before. And providing lots of gambling games will make gambling players feel more comfortable playing on their site.

Because this is what people expect to see on casinos since many believe thay having a good promotion can make people stay on their platform or rather  make people stay on what they offer to their gamblers. But as @dothebeats say better RTP is more good to have since this will make the gambler stay since casino will became boring once those promotional stuff ends and for sure if gambler will not see anything like this exist they flee and go to other platform who offers again some nice promotions to them.

With RTP, casinos can allow gamblers to try their luck, but I'm not sure if the promotion from the casino will end because promotion is a tool to develop the casino to be bigger. As long as the casino can provide the best service for its customers, users will not switch to another casino but will use the platform to continue playing gambling. Although users may try other gambling sites, in the end, those users will return to the original casino because he has found comfort in that casino.

[Eric.miller]

I honestly prefer lots of promos over rtp lol

[Lanatsa]

The promotions they do will also certainly be able to attract more people who will play on their site. It is hoped that with the right promotion, the profits of a site can increase.

Not only does it attract more people but it also encourages their existing players to continue playing. Even if it's only a classic wagering competition there's still a significant increase in wagering activity.

You are right. Therefore, these gambling sites continue to focus on promotions to attract more people, especially if they can provide promotions that attract people and big players. If they can get a lot of big players, that means the gambling site's profits can also be more than before. And providing lots of gambling games will make gambling players feel more comfortable playing on their site.

Because this is what people expect to see on casinos since many believe thay having a good promotion can make people stay on their platform or rather  make people stay on what they offer to their gamblers. But as @dothebeats say better RTP is more good to have since this will make the gambler stay since casino will became boring once those promotional stuff ends and for sure if gambler will not see anything like this exist they flee and go to other platform who offers again some nice promotions to them.

With RTP, casinos can allow gamblers to try their luck, but I'm not sure if the promotion from the casino will end because promotion is a tool to develop the casino to be bigger. As long as the casino can provide the best service for its customers, users will not switch to another casino but will use the platform to continue playing gambling. Although users may try other gambling sites, in the end, those users will return to the original casino because he has found comfort in that casino.

As a gambler then i do really have  this kind of behavior on which i do really search off on new gambling sites which i do hope that it would be having much better compared on the current/recent site that ive been playing

with and if i do see that it isnt really that much interesting or doesnt find something revolutionary then i would just simply switch back and continue to stay on where i do prefer to play and this is where
most people do really act out.We do stay on place which we do seem that give us some good experience and being comfortable despite of the high chance or risk of losing money.

[tabas]

I think that high RTP decreases the quantity and quality of the promotions. The casino gets less money to spend it for promotion. Of course if this is an honest casino with truthful information. And what to choose everyone decide by himself. As for me - the promotions can be more useful to the ordinary gambler - the chances to win decreases, but it is possible that promotions will bring him more money. I`m choosing promotions.

Well, I'm in both of them. There's the beneficial part for the gamblers if there are more promotions and as well as RTP. But balancing it depends on the casino where you're playing and what they're looking at.
If they have become aggressive in their marketing and promotions then you have to understand what they're up to. As long as the gambling experience never changes, there's no need to jump elsewhere.

[DoublerHunter]

I think that high RTP decreases the quantity and quality of the promotions. The casino gets less money to spend it for promotion. Of course if this is an honest casino with truthful information. And what to choose everyone decide by himself. As for me - the promotions can be more useful to the ordinary gambler - the chances to win decreases, but it is possible that promotions will bring him more money. I`m choosing promotions.

Well, I'm in both of them. There's the beneficial part for the gamblers if there are more promotions and as well as RTP. But balancing it depends on the casino where you're playing and what they're looking at.
If they have become aggressive in their marketing and promotions then you have to understand what they're up to. As long as the gambling experience never changes, there's no need to jump elsewhere.

^ Probably a low-budget casino will for sure consider first the promotions especially for those gambling casinos that have been recently started or those did not yet have decent users. After they will benefit from their promotions it could be the RTP will follow and most usually we see it here, promotions first, and then when it is effective they will have a high RTP to maintain their user stay on the site.
However, there are gambling casino that most generous giving promotions and RTP, probably because this also have a high return to them when the more users have the more profit will come.

[tabas]

Well, I'm in both of them. There's the beneficial part for the gamblers if there are more promotions and as well as RTP. But balancing it depends on the casino where you're playing and what they're looking at.
If they have become aggressive in their marketing and promotions then you have to understand what they're up to. As long as the gambling experience never changes, there's no need to jump elsewhere.

^ Probably a low-budget casino will for sure consider first the promotions especially for those gambling casinos that have been recently started or those did not yet have decent users. After they will benefit from their promotions it could be the RTP will follow and most usually we see it here, promotions first, and then when it is effective they will have a high RTP to maintain their user stay on the site.
However, there are gambling casino that most generous giving promotions and RTP, probably because this also have a high return to them when the more users have the more profit will come.

Yes, that's for sure because they have to be known first before they focused on the RTP. When they've got that much customers and maybe have seen the loyal ones.
They're now going to get into a higher RTP so that those loyal customers to them will stay. But as starting, it's true that they need to get a lot of attention through promotions.

[Findingnemo]

If we talk about the majority of people we know that people care more about the promotions and money they can get for free than actual RTP even many people know there is such term exists in the casino which decides their favour of winning a bet. I prefer the better gambling experience overall and don't give much importance to the promotions at anyday but the fact is not many people has the same mindset as myself.

[mindrust]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

I think both are needed. Even those perfect casinos are going heavy on promotions and marketing campaigns. If you have a good product but nobody knows about its existence, what good is it? Good products may sell itself but promotions and marketing campaigns multiply those sells by 10 or 100. Marketing&Promotions usually are the most important thing when you are selling a service/product. Almost as important as the product itself. Sometimes even more important.

[maydna]

As a gambler then i do really have  this kind of behavior on which i do really search off on new gambling sites which i do hope that it would be having much better compared on the current/recent site that ive been playing

with and if i do see that it isnt really that much interesting or doesnt find something revolutionary then i would just simply switch back and continue to stay on where i do prefer to play and this is where
most people do really act out.We do stay on place which we do seem that give us some good experience and being comfortable despite of the high chance or risk of losing money.

It will be okay if you are looking for a new gambling site to compare their services, and I think it is also necessary to do so that we can get a gambling site that can make us comfortable while playing gambling. And usually, every gambling site will always provide good promotions every day or week, which can attract more gamblers to come to their site. I can only give advice not to spend too much money if it is to test the new site because we don't know how they will go through the process. We really need to know if their site is safe and can be our next gamble.

[mak013]

I think that high RTP decreases the quantity and quality of the promotions. The casino gets less money to spend it for promotion. Of course if this is an honest casino with truthful information. And what to choose everyone decide by himself. As for me - the promotions can be more useful to the ordinary gambler - the chances to win decreases, but it is possible that promotions will bring him more money. I`m choosing promotions.

Well, I'm in both of them. There's the beneficial part for the gamblers if there are more promotions and as well as RTP. But balancing it depends on the casino where you're playing and what they're looking at.
If they have become aggressive in their marketing and promotions then you have to understand what they're up to. As long as the gambling experience never changes, there's no need to jump elsewhere.

^ Probably a low-budget casino will for sure consider first the promotions especially for those gambling casinos that have been recently started or those did not yet have decent users. After they will benefit from their promotions it could be the RTP will follow and most usually we see it here, promotions first, and then when it is effective they will have a high RTP to maintain their user stay on the site.
However, there are gambling casino that most generous giving promotions and RTP, probably because this also have a high return to them when the more users have the more profit will come.

This is possible situation that some casinos increases the RTP after they attract gamblers attention, but mostly they don`t need to change anything i think. They have gamblers, who got promotion and don`t want to change casino for 1-2% of RTP. And the situation with high promotions and RTP the same time is possible for large casinos or new casinos with big money that the owners ready to spent in marketing. These casinos may get nice profit, but the first time they need money to start.

[milewilda]

As a gambler then i do really have  this kind of behavior on which i do really search off on new gambling sites which i do hope that it would be having much better compared on the current/recent site that ive been playing

with and if i do see that it isnt really that much interesting or doesnt find something revolutionary then i would just simply switch back and continue to stay on where i do prefer to play and this is where
most people do really act out.We do stay on place which we do seem that give us some good experience and being comfortable despite of the high chance or risk of losing money.

It will be okay if you are looking for a new gambling site to compare their services, and I think it is also necessary to do so that we can get a gambling site that can make us comfortable while playing gambling. And usually, every gambling site will always provide good promotions every day or week, which can attract more gamblers to come to their site. I can only give advice not to spend too much money if it is to test the new site because we don't know how they will go through the process. We really need to know if their site is safe and can be our next gamble.

I agree in to that point or comment that people would really be testing out gambling sites specially new ones because we are really that curious on what offers that they would really be giving which might
or might not be better on the current site you are playing on and if you do find out that it do offer something better then its understandable that people would be finding something like new.
If we do find out to be interesting then we would really be transferring but if not then we would stay as simple as that.

[RILWAN]

I don't believe in gambling that takes a huge amount of their hot wallet just to sponsor a promotional project unless the team is planning on developing its native token and even at that the team needs to have available funds to keep the players serviced at all time. I will rather play in a casino that offers the players various promotion and not taking huge amount to pay promotional materials that are outside the casino.

[mm2543363580]

I don't believe in gambling that takes a huge amount of their hot wallet just to sponsor a promotional project unless the team is planning on developing its native token and even at that the team needs to have available funds to keep the players serviced at all time. I will rather play in a casino that offers the players various promotion and not taking huge amount to pay promotional materials that are outside the casino.

With the passage of time - as I am getting old - I find ads and advisement very annoying.
The ads and bonuses are more attractive to newbie and beginners and not the serious and senior players. So I think it depends on the target audience.

[CaVO32]

I don't believe in gambling that takes a huge amount of their hot wallet just to sponsor a promotional project unless the team is planning on developing its native token and even at that the team needs to have available funds to keep the players serviced at all time. I will rather play in a casino that offers the players various promotion and not taking huge amount to pay promotional materials that are outside the casino.

If they can't sustain those huge promotions, better look in a more sustainable approach like better RTP. Because not many players are joining these promotions as usually they have certain conditions to be met, and so not all can afford to participate. But with better RTP, all players can benefit from it whether you are a small timer or high roller. And if the gamblers are happy about it, they will already have a good marketing campaign, which is the word of mouth. People talk so that's one way of attracting people without spending any penny from promotion.

[paxmao]

The RPT is critical in my opinion, you need to win often to keep playing - there is a limit on the number of times once can get battered and still enjoy the game. Promotions should only be exceptions and happen no more than 3 or 4 times a year, with a clear objective and deadlines. If it happens all the time, there is a problem with RTP but also with the appraisal of the site in general.

[Theones]

The RPT is critical in my opinion, you need to win often to keep playing - there is a limit on the number of times once can get battered and still enjoy the game. Promotions should only be exceptions and happen no more than 3 or 4 times a year, with a clear objective and deadlines. If it happens all the time, there is a problem with RTP but also with the appraisal of the site in general.

Yes - you are right - for a serious player RTP is more important, and I liked the point you have mentioned that promotions should be done thrice a year so that people maintain their interest. And time is money as well. Please don't waste time in learning more about promotions these days -I think PTP should be given due importance.

[ralle14]

The RPT is critical in my opinion, you need to win often to keep playing - there is a limit on the number of times once can get battered and still enjoy the game. Promotions should only be exceptions and happen no more than 3 or 4 times a year, with a clear objective and deadlines. If it happens all the time, there is a problem with RTP but also with the appraisal of the site in general.

I honestly think 3-4 promotions a year is way too low given that most of the competitors are going all out on promotions.

Even if there's one casino that offers better RTP than the rest you can still get unlucky, like how some casinos show live RTPs on certain games and show which game is hot and cold in the last 24 hours, week, month.

If they can't sustain those huge promotions, better look in a more sustainable approach like better RTP. Because not many players are joining these promotions as usually they have certain conditions to be met, and so not all can afford to participate. But with better RTP, all players can benefit from it whether you are a small timer or high roller. And if the gamblers are happy about it, they will already have a good marketing campaign, which is the word of mouth. People talk so that's one way of attracting people without spending any penny from promotion.

RTP won't do much because like what mind mentioned above having a better product won't be enough when there are so many casinos competing for new players. Promotions are still needed and there are different ways to do it, one good example is Stake's promotion you'll notice that most of their promotions have reasonably low minimum bets to participate so that there would be more players interested.

[naim027]

RTP won't do much because like what mind mentioned above having a better product won't be enough when there are so many casinos competing for new players. Promotions are still needed and there are different ways to do it, one good example is Stake's promotion you'll notice that most of their promotions have reasonably low minimum bets to participate so that there would be more players interested.

Well, Sometimes Promotion sucks. It's okay If you can control yourself and make deposit that you can afford to lose. Promotions like 100%, 150%, and 200% Deposit bonuses will get your attention fast. Don't forget to check bonus terms. Because most of the time, these deposits have wagering requirements. You can end up losing the money you have deposited. That's how casinos do business.

[VanityWallets2015]

RTP won't do much because like what mind mentioned above having a better product won't be enough when there are so many casinos competing for new players. Promotions are still needed and there are different ways to do it, one good example is Stake's promotion you'll notice that most of their promotions have reasonably low minimum bets to participate so that there would be more players interested.

Well, Sometimes Promotion sucks. It's okay If you can control yourself and make deposit that you can afford to lose. Promotions like 100%, 150%, and 200% Deposit bonuses will get your attention fast. Don't forget to check bonus terms. Because most of the time, these deposits have wagering requirements. You can end up losing the money you have deposited. That's how casinos do business.

Not at all some gambling sites lets you use the deposit bonus and if it is gone then you have your original deposit it's like extra money but you need to wager it and if you can't wager it or lose it that's the only time you can use your real deposit.

[wildan88]

I don't believe in gambling that takes a huge amount of their hot wallet just to sponsor a promotional project unless the team is planning on developing its native token and even at that the team needs to have available funds to keep the players serviced at all time. I will rather play in a casino that offers the players various promotion and not taking huge amount to pay promotional materials that are outside the casino.

That is true. I remember one time when a new dice game managed to have whale player playing in their website and won and the gambling site offers to pay the win on a monthly basis which is ridiculous for the player. Imagine winning one time and you will receive it all in a year.

[og kush420]

I don't believe in gambling that takes a huge amount of their hot wallet just to sponsor a promotional project unless the team is planning on developing its native token and even at that the team needs to have available funds to keep the players serviced at all time. I will rather play in a casino that offers the players various promotion and not taking huge amount to pay promotional materials that are outside the casino.

That is true. I remember one time when a new dice game managed to have whale player playing in their website and won and the gambling site offers to pay the win on a monthly basis which is ridiculous for the player. Imagine winning one time and you will receive it all in a year.

Promotions are attractive to the beginners - while the senior players and someone with a lots of busy routine will have something else going on his mind rather than saving a few buck. I think a balance is much needed. A good mix of promotion and RTP is all what is needed.

[ethereumhunter]

I don't believe in gambling that takes a huge amount of their hot wallet just to sponsor a promotional project unless the team is planning on developing its native token and even at that the team needs to have available funds to keep the players serviced at all time. I will rather play in a casino that offers the players various promotion and not taking huge amount to pay promotional materials that are outside the casino.

That is true. I remember one time when a new dice game managed to have whale player playing in their website and won and the gambling site offers to pay the win on a monthly basis which is ridiculous for the player. Imagine winning one time and you will receive it all in a year.

It just doesn't seem reasonable to take it all in a year. Where will the casino website pay the winners from, especially if the number of winners increases because if one or more people can win prizes on one site, it will attract several other people to join in on that site. But indeed, we cannot deny that a good promotion will be able to attract the attention of many people, especially the whales, to play on that site. And this is what every crypto gambling site must do if they want to thrive in the future.

[Poker Player]

Well, Sometimes Promotion sucks. It's okay If you can control yourself and make deposit that you can afford to lose. Promotions like 100%, 150%, and 200% Deposit bonuses will get your attention fast. Don't forget to check bonus terms. Because most of the time, these deposits have wagering requirements. You can end up losing the money you have deposited. That's how casinos do business.

I think you've got a point there. In my case, as I play poker I don't care, because I usually end up meeting the wagering requirements and it's profitable for me, with one exception: when the promotion has a short time limit to meet the wagering requirements, in which case if I think I'm going to have to play longer than usual for me in that period, I don't take advantage of the offer.

The fact is that promotions attract players and the houses know it. I would say that it is more profitable for them if they want to have 0.5% HE for example, to advertise that they have 1% HE and then offer 0.5% in promotions, than to directly advertise that they only have 0.5% HE and not offering any promotions.

[dothebeats]

Well, for me the point (essence) of promotions is for the casino to promote themselves to get more "new" gamblers to join the casino. Some of the promotions are there to get existing gamblers to gamble more. (Races/Championships/Tournaments/Challenges)

So, if the RTP is too high to pay for all of this, you will get new people to gamble and your existing gamblers will eventually get frustrated and they will leave. It turns into a cycle that will eventually "kill" the casino... because you will not keep the doors open, if "new blood" does not join the casino and the old gamblers leaving. 

Right. There needs to be an equal stress on the importance of promotion and RTP. But ultimately, RTP is what carries a platform's profits in the long run. If not for RTP, casino player base might see a steep drop as time progresses. Newbies are only there for the bonuses. Once that runs out, they also hop in to another casino for the bonuses. If you can give them an incentive to stay and play for long, they'll do that on themselves and they would need not the insistence of the platform.

Well, the newbies just boost their game play time with the bonuses, but they are not the gamblers that are bringing in the real money. The profit for the casinos come with the highrollers and that is why most promotions and challenges are geared towards giving back to highrollers to keep them gambling.

The thing is... even the highrollers wants value for their money ....so a favorable RTP will also benefit them. A lot of the casinos are just greedy and they forget the basics, because they are too focused on aggressive marketing.  

I also do casino hopping at times when I have the luxury of time, because who would want to ignore 250% first deposit bonus and other cool stuff that they brought upon new users? I gamble mainly for entertainment, much less about winning (because I already accepted that I'll never win big from dice, ever), that's why I always look for platforms that give my money some value and give their players some incentives if they play for long. It's what people like us look for, not fancy bonuses that will run out once you lost all your first deposit.

[Haunebu]

Interesting query op. Personally, I prefer higher RTP over promotions since it provides a higher chance of winning when compared to promotions where the chances of winning are usually unaffected.

Also, I prefer playing games with a lower house edge like Baccarat, Blackjack, Dice etc. Crypto casinos need to keep increasing RTP and provide an optimal number of promotions simultaneously in my opinion.

[YOSHIE]

do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

As far as I know everyone who tries to play on a slot machine, the first thing they pay attention to is RTP, usually slot players always prioritize and pay attention to the RTP level on offer, if as you say a gambling site sacrifices RTP for campaigns, and reduces the total payback in slot games it will be bad for the site.

I'm sure many slot players are looking for other sites with higher RTP levels, maybe I myself don't agree with sacrificing RTP for campaigns, as I said above, generally people always look for and choose the slot that has the largest RTP they know the chance of profit is greater, rather than reducing the RTP value, Should, the gambling site, have other alternatives than sacrificing RTP.

[Theones]

Interesting query op. Personally, I prefer higher RTP over promotions since it provides a higher chance of winning when compared to promotions where the chances of winning are usually unaffected.

Also, I prefer playing games with a lower house edge like Baccarat, Blackjack, Dice etc. Crypto casinos need to keep increasing RTP and provide an optimal number of promotions simultaneously in my opinion.

I used to gamble and then I lost so much of my money and I stopped for a moment.
I always preferred RTP but now I look for bonuses because I have no money in my wallet. So the promotions give me some relief and then obviously RTP.

[Fortify]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  

I've actually seen in the suspicions in the past, at least with fiat currency casinos, that you might be penalized for taking advantage of offers. It's obviously going to vary wildly between different casino setups, but it makes sense - casinos are in business to make money, not be taken advantage of by shrewd players who chase bonuses. If you regularly take advantage of such promotions and are even able to turn into a "winning" player because of it, then eventually your account will be marked and you may lose these perks. When your account is blacklisted it can result in even worse odds and you'll stop receiving any offers. All that being said, there are lots of casinos to offering these things and a skilled player can grind a small profit out of these benefits.

[tabas]

Well, I'm in both of them. There's the beneficial part for the gamblers if there are more promotions and as well as RTP. But balancing it depends on the casino where you're playing and what they're looking at.
If they have become aggressive in their marketing and promotions then you have to understand what they're up to. As long as the gambling experience never changes, there's no need to jump elsewhere.

^ Probably a low-budget casino will for sure consider first the promotions especially for those gambling casinos that have been recently started or those did not yet have decent users. After they will benefit from their promotions it could be the RTP will follow and most usually we see it here, promotions first, and then when it is effective they will have a high RTP to maintain their user stay on the site.
However, there are gambling casino that most generous giving promotions and RTP, probably because this also have a high return to them when the more users have the more profit will come.

This is possible situation that some casinos increases the RTP after they attract gamblers attention, but mostly they don`t need to change anything i think. They have gamblers, who got promotion and don`t want to change casino for 1-2% of RTP. And the situation with high promotions and RTP the same time is possible for large casinos or new casinos with big money that the owners ready to spent in marketing. These casinos may get nice profit, but the first time they need money to start.

It's always needed as starting out, money to start out and using it correctly like in promotions to get more players that they'll targeting as they begin with the business.
And that's what's happening next, they'll be returning the favor to them through giving the benefits and advantage to the players. If they're good at it, they'll make a lot of them to stay based on the rtp they do.

[mak013]

This is possible situation that some casinos increases the RTP after they attract gamblers attention, but mostly they don`t need to change anything i think. They have gamblers, who got promotion and don`t want to change casino for 1-2% of RTP. And the situation with high promotions and RTP the same time is possible for large casinos or new casinos with big money that the owners ready to spent in marketing. These casinos may get nice profit, but the first time they need money to start.

It's always needed as starting out, money to start out and using it correctly like in promotions to get more players that they'll targeting as they begin with the business.
And that's what's happening next, they'll be returning the favor to them through giving the benefits and advantage to the players. If they're good at it, they'll make a lot of them to stay based on the rtp they do.

It can be different ways of start. Someone can choose the model with lots of promotions and high RTP. In this case they spend lots of money at promotions from start and slowly get refund due to high RTP. But they can get a lot of gamblers from start and they willn`t be disappointed later because it willn`t be RTP or promotion decrease.
The case with decreasing RTP or promotions can help to get refund faster but it`s possible that the casino will loose some gamblers after program change.

[perla]

This is possible situation that some casinos increases the RTP after they attract gamblers attention, but mostly they don`t need to change anything i think. They have gamblers, who got promotion and don`t want to change casino for 1-2% of RTP. And the situation with high promotions and RTP the same time is possible for large casinos or new casinos with big money that the owners ready to spent in marketing. These casinos may get nice profit, but the first time they need money to start.

It's always needed as starting out, money to start out and using it correctly like in promotions to get more players that they'll targeting as they begin with the business.
And that's what's happening next, they'll be returning the favor to them through giving the benefits and advantage to the players. If they're good at it, they'll make a lot of them to stay based on the rtp they do.

It can be different ways of start. Someone can choose the model with lots of promotions and high RTP. In this case they spend lots of money at promotions from start and slowly get refund due to high RTP. But they can get a lot of gamblers from start and they willn`t be disappointed later because it willn`t be RTP or promotion decrease.
The case with decreasing RTP or promotions can help to get refund faster but it`s possible that the casino will loose some gamblers after program change.

That is right but and I think they should not constantly change or lower the RTP most of the VIP consider this one and I think this is a big deal for them because they will be playing for a long time maybe only lower or reduce the promotion but I see in most of the established gambling site they don't reduce the promotion and RTP of their casinos.

[tabas]

This is possible situation that some casinos increases the RTP after they attract gamblers attention, but mostly they don`t need to change anything i think. They have gamblers, who got promotion and don`t want to change casino for 1-2% of RTP. And the situation with high promotions and RTP the same time is possible for large casinos or new casinos with big money that the owners ready to spent in marketing. These casinos may get nice profit, but the first time they need money to start.

It's always needed as starting out, money to start out and using it correctly like in promotions to get more players that they'll targeting as they begin with the business.
And that's what's happening next, they'll be returning the favor to them through giving the benefits and advantage to the players. If they're good at it, they'll make a lot of them to stay based on the rtp they do.

It can be different ways of start. Someone can choose the model with lots of promotions and high RTP. In this case they spend lots of money at promotions from start and slowly get refund due to high RTP. But they can get a lot of gamblers from start and they willn`t be disappointed later because it willn`t be RTP or promotion decrease.
The case with decreasing RTP or promotions can help to get refund faster but it`s possible that the casino will loose some gamblers after program change.

If from the beginning they already that both flowing funds for both of it then that's a good start. There are gamblers that have been used to the program.
And it's really likely that when they don't like the changes, they'll just leave it and will find another one and good to stay as long as they like all the terms.

[zidanw]

For a gambler that is not playing for most of the time I consider lots of promotion particularly the seasonal promotions that was given by the gambling sites and only play with those promotions so it is not a big deal for me if the RTP is low but I would appreciate it if they increase it or it is fixed at a highest percentage.

[Chato1977]

For a gambler that is not playing for most of the time I consider lots of promotion particularly the seasonal promotions that was given by the gambling sites and only play with those promotions so it is not a big deal for me if the RTP is low but I would appreciate it if they increase it or it is fixed at a highest percentage.

This is the problem if you are not a regular gambler because you will choose the promotions as this is some sort of freebies when you come to play , but for me? it is the RTP in which i am seeking , mostly because i am an active gambler in the past but just like you nowadays.

and I al also a sometimes winner of a Gambling events couple of times in the past so maybe both is what i will choose here now?

[mak013]

^

That is right but and I think they should not constantly change or lower the RTP most of the VIP consider this one and I think this is a big deal for them because they will be playing for a long time maybe only lower or reduce the promotion but I see in most of the established gambling site they don't reduce the promotion and RTP of their casinos.

You are talking about casinos which were created enough long time ago. They have their players, their rules, their reputation. They don`t need to decrease anything - they lose both gamblers and reputation. They work on improving casino. But i can`t say that at the start they gave the same conditions that now.

[AmoreJaz]

For a gambler that is not playing for most of the time I consider lots of promotion particularly the seasonal promotions that was given by the gambling sites and only play with those promotions so it is not a big deal for me if the RTP is low but I would appreciate it if they increase it or it is fixed at a highest percentage.

This is the problem if you are not a regular gambler because you will choose the promotions as this is some sort of freebies when you come to play , but for me? it is the RTP in which i am seeking , mostly because i am an active gambler in the past but just like you nowadays.

and I al also a sometimes winner of a Gambling events couple of times in the past so maybe both is what i will choose here now?

it depends on what kind of gambler you are. you're right, if you're a regular gambler, you would choose the better RTP. but for an occasional gambler, usually, they look for bonuses/promotions.
in any case, there are other factors to consider. other than this RTP feature.

[rodskee]

For a gambler that is not playing for most of the time I consider lots of promotion particularly the seasonal promotions that was given by the gambling sites and only play with those promotions so it is not a big deal for me if the RTP is low but I would appreciate it if they increase it or it is fixed at a highest percentage.

This is the problem if you are not a regular gambler because you will choose the promotions as this is some sort of freebies when you come to play , but for me? it is the RTP in which i am seeking , mostly because i am an active gambler in the past but just like you nowadays.

and I al also a sometimes winner of a Gambling events couple of times in the past so maybe both is what i will choose here now?

it depends on what kind of gambler you are. you're right, if you're a regular gambler, you would choose the better RTP. but for an occasional gambler, usually, they look for bonuses/promotions.
in any case, there are other factors to consider. other than this RTP feature.

That is the exact point here so it always depend on what type of gambler we are , either a big loser or a complete winner ? it will always depend on how we treat gambling and how we are dealing with this, Lucky that I am not one of those who gamble to Win always instead what I love to do is enjoy the activities and if wins? then that would be my bonus .
I always wanted something that will bring me happiness than sadness so losing is just a part of my gaming but my main intention is the feeling inside the game.

[michellee]

For a gambler that is not playing for most of the time I consider lots of promotion particularly the seasonal promotions that was given by the gambling sites and only play with those promotions so it is not a big deal for me if the RTP is low but I would appreciate it if they increase it or it is fixed at a highest percentage.

This is the problem if you are not a regular gambler because you will choose the promotions as this is some sort of freebies when you come to play , but for me? it is the RTP in which i am seeking , mostly because i am an active gambler in the past but just like you nowadays.

and I al also a sometimes winner of a Gambling events couple of times in the past so maybe both is what i will choose here now?

it depends on what kind of gambler you are. you're right, if you're a regular gambler, you would choose the better RTP. but for an occasional gambler, usually, they look for bonuses/promotions.
in any case, there are other factors to consider. other than this RTP feature.

That is the exact point here so it always depend on what type of gambler we are , either a big loser or a complete winner ? it will always depend on how we treat gambling and how we are dealing with this, Lucky that I am not one of those who gamble to Win always instead what I love to do is enjoy the activities and if wins? then that would be my bonus .
I always wanted something that will bring me happiness than sadness so losing is just a part of my gaming but my main intention is the feeling inside the game.

But there may be some gamblers who are looking for both, RTP and promotion but they are not active gamblers because by getting a good promotion and being supported by a gambling game that has a high RTP, maybe it can provide a meaningful win for them. I also agree that it's up to us to treat the gambling itself and I think if we don't want to see a lot of losses, we need to be able to figure out what to do during gambling. No matter if it is an RTP or a promotion, gambling still has two options, win and lose.

[Hamphser]

For a gambler that is not playing for most of the time I consider lots of promotion particularly the seasonal promotions that was given by the gambling sites and only play with those promotions so it is not a big deal for me if the RTP is low but I would appreciate it if they increase it or it is fixed at a highest percentage.

This is the problem if you are not a regular gambler because you will choose the promotions as this is some sort of freebies when you come to play , but for me? it is the RTP in which i am seeking , mostly because i am an active gambler in the past but just like you nowadays.

and I al also a sometimes winner of a Gambling events couple of times in the past so maybe both is what i will choose here now?

it depends on what kind of gambler you are. you're right, if you're a regular gambler, you would choose the better RTP. but for an occasional gambler, usually, they look for bonuses/promotions.
in any case, there are other factors to consider. other than this RTP feature.

That is the exact point here so it always depend on what type of gambler we are , either a big loser or a complete winner ? it will always depend on how we treat gambling and how we are dealing with this, Lucky that I am not one of those who gamble to Win always instead what I love to do is enjoy the activities and if wins? then that would be my bonus .
I always wanted something that will bring me happiness than sadness so losing is just a part of my gaming but my main intention is the feeling inside the game.

But there may be some gamblers who are looking for both, RTP and promotion but they are not active gamblers because by getting a good promotion and being supported by a gambling game that has a high RTP, maybe it can provide a meaningful win for them. I also agree that it's up to us to treat the gambling itself and I think if we don't want to see a lot of losses, we need to be able to figure out what to do during gambling. No matter if it is an RTP or a promotion, gambling still has two options, win and lose.

Doesnt matter if its low RTP or high because we know the chance or odds of ending up to be profitable with Slots is really less likely to happen for most gamblers. As for promotions then it should be a default thing because as a business then it would really be normal on having these things for hooking up players on playing on the site.

Its up to someone whether they do mind off about low or high RTP but in most cases we arent really that mindful about that manner when we do talk about slot games.

[Eureka_07]

<snip>

Actually, I think experienced slot players do mind on the RTP of the slots before playing them. So I think it does matter. Higher RTP means higher chance not to lose much, vice versa, however it is not guaranteed, a player can still end up having $20 after playing 100 spins for $1 bet pet spin.  

In my opinion, it is good to take advantage of these promotions rather than playing everyday.

[Naficopa]

<snip>

Actually, I think experienced slot players do mind on the RTP of the slots before playing them. So I think it does matter. Higher RTP means higher chance not to lose much, vice versa, however it is not guaranteed, a player can still end up having $20 after playing 100 spins for $1 bet pet spin.  

In my opinion, it is good to take advantage of these promotions rather than playing everyday.

OP meant that because the casino spends a lot of money on marketing, it most likely increases the RTP.

Of course it's the most important thing for most of the slots players. However, I think the casino cannot just set the RTP as it wants. It probably has a range in which it can move, but we can check the maximum RTP simply with the software provider. Such information should be publicly available.

[mak013]

But there may be some gamblers who are looking for both, RTP and promotion but they are not active gamblers because by getting a good promotion and being supported by a gambling game that has a high RTP, maybe it can provide a meaningful win for them. I also agree that it's up to us to treat the gambling itself and I think if we don't want to see a lot of losses, we need to be able to figure out what to do during gambling. No matter if it is an RTP or a promotion, gambling still has two options, win and lose.

I think that only a professional gambler with a huge quantity of games can understand difference between 94 and 95 percent RTP. For gambler is better high RTP and promotion the same time, of course, and if promotion are the same, i will choose the casino with the highest RTP, but it willn`t be the main reason of the choice for me.

[crzy]

<snip>

Actually, I think experienced slot players do mind on the RTP of the slots before playing them. So I think it does matter. Higher RTP means higher chance not to lose much, vice versa, however it is not guaranteed, a player can still end up having $20 after playing 100 spins for $1 bet pet spin.  

In my opinion, it is good to take advantage of these promotions rather than playing everyday.

Depends on the promotions since not all promotions are about gamblers, sometimes the casinos choses to hire an influencer and that could not affect the player itself. If you’re into slots games you want to have that higher chance, yes you can participate on those promotions but still someone can be ahead of you and you might lose more because of this. I still prefer to gamble on a high probability, winning can also be more fun.

[smyslov]

But there may be some gamblers who are looking for both, RTP and promotion but they are not active gamblers because by getting a good promotion and being supported by a gambling game that has a high RTP, maybe it can provide a meaningful win for them. I also agree that it's up to us to treat the gambling itself and I think if we don't want to see a lot of losses, we need to be able to figure out what to do during gambling. No matter if it is an RTP or a promotion, gambling still has two options, win and lose.

I think that only a professional gambler with a huge quantity of games can understand difference between 94 and 95 percent RTP. For gambler is better high RTP and promotion the same time, of course, and if promotion are the same, i will choose the casino with the highest RTP, but it willn`t be the main reason of the choice for me.

There are a lot of factors not only on RTP and promotion that will want you to stay and be part of a casino's features like responsiveness to complaints and fairness of the game, RTP and promotions are good between the two RTP are far better because it will motivate gamblers to play deposit more and play and it's a win-win for both parties.

[ralle14]

Depends on the promotions since not all promotions are about gamblers, sometimes the casinos choses to hire an influencer and that could not affect the player itself. If you’re into slots games you want to have that higher chance, yes you can participate on those promotions but still someone can be ahead of you and you might lose more because of this. I still prefer to gamble on a high probability, winning can also be more fun.

From my experience participating in slot promotions is usually a hit or miss though since there are promotions that are based on multipliers you get and it's difficult when these games would just suck your bankroll after countless spins.

In my opinion, it is good to take advantage of these promotions rather than playing everyday.

I agree, on the gambler's side not everyone plays the same game and sometimes there are promotions that are like hidden gems that'll give you a decent chunk of profit.

[darewaller]

it depends on what kind of gambler you are. you're right, if you're a regular gambler, you would choose the better RTP. but for an occasional gambler, usually, they look for bonuses/promotions.
in any case, there are other factors to consider. other than this RTP feature.

That is the exact point here so it always depend on what type of gambler we are , either a big loser or a complete winner ? it will always depend on how we treat gambling and how we are dealing with this, Lucky that I am not one of those who gamble to Win always instead what I love to do is enjoy the activities and if wins? then that would be my bonus .
I always wanted something that will bring me happiness than sadness so losing is just a part of my gaming but my main intention is the feeling inside the game.

But there may be some gamblers who are looking for both, RTP and promotion but they are not active gamblers because by getting a good promotion and being supported by a gambling game that has a high RTP, maybe it can provide a meaningful win for them. I also agree that it's up to us to treat the gambling itself and I think if we don't want to see a lot of losses, we need to be able to figure out what to do during gambling. No matter if it is an RTP or a promotion, gambling still has two options, win and lose.

I think that RTP matters a lot but it is not the most important thing, why? Because in a good RTP place, you will gamble and lose anyway, because there is a house edge and everyone loses money and it has always been like that, because that is what gambling is all about and never allows you to profit.

However, with good promotions, at least there is a chance that they could make money from everyone and give that to one person. Like for example freebitco.in allows you to gamble, with a high house edge, but they give away so much and you could get free spins or you could get lottery tickets which could result with a very high return, they still profit, just take that from others.

[zidanw]

I think that RTP matters a lot but it is not the most important thing, why? Because in a good RTP place, you will gamble and lose anyway, because there is a house edge and everyone loses money and it has always been like that, because that is what gambling is all about and never allows you to profit.

However, with good promotions, at least there is a chance that they could make money from everyone and give that to one person. Like for example freebitco.in allows you to gamble, with a high house edge, but they give away so much and you could get free spins or you could get lottery tickets which could result with a very high return, they still profit, just take that from others.

Actually both is important but you are right I still go with the promotion since there are times that I actually won bonuses from promotions but not all the time and with bonuses even though the wagering requirement is difficult there is a chance that I could win without risking anything.

[michellee]

Doesnt matter if its low RTP or high because we know the chance or odds of ending up to be profitable with Slots is really less likely to happen for most gamblers. As for promotions then it should be a default thing because as a business then it would really be normal on having these things for hooking up players on playing on the site.

Its up to someone whether they do mind off about low or high RTP but in most cases we arent really that mindful about that manner when we do talk about slot games.

Many of us also do not think about RTP but gamble by trying other games. We know in one provider that there are so many games we can choose from and many of those games have a high RTP. Indeed we can not know how many opportunities we have but by playing, we can enjoy the game without thinking about RTP. We only look for games that can give us fun.

I think that only a professional gambler with a huge quantity of games can understand difference between 94 and 95 percent RTP. For gambler is better high RTP and promotion the same time, of course, and if promotion are the same, i will choose the casino with the highest RTP, but it willn`t be the main reason of the choice for me.

Maybe. But we don't need to be professional gamblers just to understand the RTP difference because we can only see if the RTP is high or low or medium before we play. Choosing the highest RTP is a good idea but we should not expect too much that the highest RTP can give us victory. We must remember that a high RTP does not guarantee us a win.

I think that RTP matters a lot but it is not the most important thing, why? Because in a good RTP place, you will gamble and lose anyway, because there is a house edge and everyone loses money and it has always been like that, because that is what gambling is all about and never allows you to profit.

However, with good promotions, at least there is a chance that they could make money from everyone and give that to one person. Like for example freebitco.in allows you to gamble, with a high house edge, but they give away so much and you could get free spins or you could get lottery tickets which could result with a very high return, they still profit, just take that from others.

Some will consider RTP to be important but others, perhaps, will consider it ordinary because they choose to look for gambling games that can make them feel good about spending their time.

What Freebitco.in does is how they can please its users and maybe that's what keeps them going until now. In addition to providing a high home advantage, users can also win other prizes through lottery tickets and exchange for various other prizes.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I think that high RTP decreases the quantity and quality of the promotions. The casino gets less money to spend it for promotion. Of course if this is an honest casino with truthful information. And what to choose everyone decide by himself. As for me - the promotions can be more useful to the ordinary gambler - the chances to win decreases, but it is possible that promotions will bring him more money. I`m choosing promotions.

Well, I'm in both of them. There's the beneficial part for the gamblers if there are more promotions and as well as RTP. But balancing it depends on the casino where you're playing and what they're looking at.
If they have become aggressive in their marketing and promotions then you have to understand what they're up to. As long as the gambling experience never changes, there's no need to jump elsewhere.

^ Probably a low-budget casino will for sure consider first the promotions especially for those gambling casinos that have been recently started or those did not yet have decent users. After they will benefit from their promotions it could be the RTP will follow and most usually we see it here, promotions first, and then when it is effective they will have a high RTP to maintain their user stay on the site.
However, there are gambling casino that most generous giving promotions and RTP, probably because this also have a high return to them when the more users have the more profit will come.

Consequently, do you think there should be a balance between RTP and promotions? because I know that the impact of a high RTP is undoubtedly a loss of promotion quality, but the casino would be taking more stability, and in part the casino must do everything possible so that it does not fall in profits or in maintenance, but a casino lives off its customers, which makes it a faithful servant for them, so that every customer feels that they are better than at home.

For me the promotions are important, the RTP should be in balance with it, I have not thought that if the balance tilts to one side who would benefit?

[carlfebz2]

But there may be some gamblers who are looking for both, RTP and promotion but they are not active gamblers because by getting a good promotion and being supported by a gambling game that has a high RTP, maybe it can provide a meaningful win for them. I also agree that it's up to us to treat the gambling itself and I think if we don't want to see a lot of losses, we need to be able to figure out what to do during gambling. No matter if it is an RTP or a promotion, gambling still has two options, win and lose.

I think that only a professional gambler with a huge quantity of games can understand difference between 94 and 95 percent RTP. For gambler is better high RTP and promotion the same time, of course, and if promotion are the same, i will choose the casino with the highest RTP, but it willn`t be the main reason of the choice for me.

There are a lot of factors not only on RTP and promotion that will want you to stay and be part of a casino's features like responsiveness to complaints and fairness of the game, RTP and promotions are good between the two RTP are far better because it will motivate gamblers to play deposit more and play and it's a win-win for both parties.

I dont believe about win-win situation because when it comes to this then we know that house/provider would be always the winner in the end on the time you do spent your time that much with slots.Doesnt matter if

you are dealing with low or high RTP because in long runs and if you dont really have good self control then you would most likely lost those gambling capital of yours in long run thats why if you do play gambling
then dont expect that much because dealing with luck based type of games doesnt really give any positive results most of the time.

[shasan]

I think RTP is the most important factor to the gamblers. The good RTP a gambling site, the more interesting the gambling site is. But many a users came to gamble on the gambling site by being influenced by seeing promotional offer. So, promotional offer plays a vital role too.

[Peanutswar]

I think that high RTP decreases the quantity and quality of the promotions. The casino gets less money to spend it for promotion. Of course if this is an honest casino with truthful information. And what to choose everyone decide by himself. As for me - the promotions can be more useful to the ordinary gambler - the chances to win decreases, but it is possible that promotions will bring him more money. I`m choosing promotions.

Well, I'm in both of them. There's the beneficial part for the gamblers if there are more promotions and as well as RTP. But balancing it depends on the casino where you're playing and what they're looking at.
If they have become aggressive in their marketing and promotions then you have to understand what they're up to. As long as the gambling experience never changes, there's no need to jump elsewhere.

^ Probably a low-budget casino will for sure consider first the promotions especially for those gambling casinos that have been recently started or those did not yet have decent users. After they will benefit from their promotions it could be the RTP will follow and most usually we see it here, promotions first, and then when it is effective they will have a high RTP to maintain their user stay on the site.
However, there are gambling casino that most generous giving promotions and RTP, probably because this also have a high return to them when the more users have the more profit will come.

Consequently, do you think there should be a balance between RTP and promotions? because I know that the impact of a high RTP is undoubtedly a loss of promotion quality, but the casino would be taking more stability, and in part the casino must do everything possible so that it does not fall in profits or in maintenance, but a casino lives off its customers, which makes it a faithful servant for them, so that every customer feels that they are better than at home.

For me the promotions are important, the RTP should be in balance with it, I have not thought that if the balance tilts to one side who would benefit?

Even though RTP is one of the most find by the different gambler with also higher offer i guess still in the gambling platform it might be a lose to their side unless there's a largest wager event and only people who are in the top 10 approximately are the one who have the opportunity, but i saw different platform offering with higher RTP i guess this is part of their marketing strategy which is good too its all about the decision of the gambling platform at the end of the day its their reputation and earnings too.

[shasan]

Even though RTP is one of the most find by the different gambler with also higher offer i guess still in the gambling platform it might be a lose to their side unless there's a largest wager event and only people who are in the top 10 approximately are the one who have the opportunity, but i saw different platform offering with higher RTP i guess this is part of their marketing strategy which is good too its all about the decision of the gambling platform at the end of the day its their reputation and earnings too.

Waggerring offer is profitable for only those who played more but good RTP is for all the gamblers. In this case dont you think RTP is more important than waggerring. Also, the higher the rank is the higer the waggerring bonus is. But RTP plays same role for all the gamblers.

[magneto]

Even though RTP is one of the most find by the different gambler with also higher offer i guess still in the gambling platform it might be a lose to their side unless there's a largest wager event and only people who are in the top 10 approximately are the one who have the opportunity, but i saw different platform offering with higher RTP i guess this is part of their marketing strategy which is good too its all about the decision of the gambling platform at the end of the day its their reputation and earnings too.

Waggerring offer is profitable for only those who played more but good RTP is for all the gamblers. In this case dont you think RTP is more important than waggerring. Also, the higher the rank is the higer the waggerring bonus is. But RTP plays same role for all the gamblers.

Yeah, I guess it depends on what type of player you are.

If you are grinding for these levels then sure. Promos could make a bit more sense for you.

But to get to these wagering levels you have to run through a lot of betting volume anyway and you're significantly worse off if you have a bad RTP to work with to begin with. So definitely agree with your sentiment that RTP is more important in the big picture.

[mak013]

But there may be some gamblers who are looking for both, RTP and promotion but they are not active gamblers because by getting a good promotion and being supported by a gambling game that has a high RTP, maybe it can provide a meaningful win for them. I also agree that it's up to us to treat the gambling itself and I think if we don't want to see a lot of losses, we need to be able to figure out what to do during gambling. No matter if it is an RTP or a promotion, gambling still has two options, win and lose.

I think that only a professional gambler with a huge quantity of games can understand difference between 94 and 95 percent RTP. For gambler is better high RTP and promotion the same time, of course, and if promotion are the same, i will choose the casino with the highest RTP, but it willn`t be the main reason of the choice for me.

There are a lot of factors not only on RTP and promotion that will want you to stay and be part of a casino's features like responsiveness to complaints and fairness of the game, RTP and promotions are good between the two RTP are far better because it will motivate gamblers to play deposit more and play and it's a win-win for both parties.

Of course it is so and the main reason to choose casino for me not the promotion or high RTP. But when i made a list of casinos that are good for me with the main requirements - i begin compare their opportunities. And here i choose options that can increase my profit - the promotions and high RTP are in this list.

[Chato1977]

For a gambler that is not playing for most of the time I consider lots of promotion particularly the seasonal promotions that was given by the gambling sites and only play with those promotions so it is not a big deal for me if the RTP is low but I would appreciate it if they increase it or it is fixed at a highest percentage.

This is the problem if you are not a regular gambler because you will choose the promotions as this is some sort of freebies when you come to play , but for me? it is the RTP in which i am seeking , mostly because i am an active gambler in the past but just like you nowadays.

and I al also a sometimes winner of a Gambling events couple of times in the past so maybe both is what i will choose here now?

it depends on what kind of gambler you are. you're right, if you're a regular gambler, you would choose the better RTP. but for an occasional gambler, usually, they look for bonuses/promotions.

Yes and that's me mate, I know where a Stand and I know what i choose to believe , this is the reason why Until now I am safe in my crypto gambling .

in any case, there are other factors to consider. other than this RTP feature.

But that is the topic all about , so Yes depend on what gamblers we are and what type of offers the site offers us.

[Taskford]

But there may be some gamblers who are looking for both, RTP and promotion but they are not active gamblers because by getting a good promotion and being supported by a gambling game that has a high RTP, maybe it can provide a meaningful win for them. I also agree that it's up to us to treat the gambling itself and I think if we don't want to see a lot of losses, we need to be able to figure out what to do during gambling. No matter if it is an RTP or a promotion, gambling still has two options, win and lose.

I think that only a professional gambler with a huge quantity of games can understand difference between 94 and 95 percent RTP. For gambler is better high RTP and promotion the same time, of course, and if promotion are the same, i will choose the casino with the highest RTP, but it willn`t be the main reason of the choice for me.

There are a lot of factors not only on RTP and promotion that will want you to stay and be part of a casino's features like responsiveness to complaints and fairness of the game, RTP and promotions are good between the two RTP are far better because it will motivate gamblers to play deposit more and play and it's a win-win for both parties.

Sometimes this one is one of important factor we need to consider because it also hard to sleep with at ease if we got some huge problem and the representative is not active enough to solve our issues so gamblers should also look on this before selecting a casino to play. But since this one is not included on the choices given by OP I guess we must choose what is more better option to us and its really interesting to read people answer to this discussion.

[joeperry]

Sometimes this one is one of important factor we need to consider because it also hard to sleep with at ease if we got some huge problem and the representative is not active enough to solve our issues so gamblers should also look on this before selecting a casino to play. But since this one is not included on the choices given by OP I guess we must choose what is more better option to us and its really interesting to read people answer to this discussion.

Actually there's a lot of things you should consider in a gambling site and not only promotions or RTP let's assume that they offer good RTP and promotion but they have poor performance in support and security this would be a factor too right? but yes the OP's question is only in RTP and promotion which I think it should be balance in my opinion.

[harizen]

The fact is, regardless of the RTP, still, losing is always bound to happen in the long run.

If that's the case then just hope that there will be lots of promotions that the said site will deploy to somehow aside from waiting for our luck to come, we are sure to have those advantages at these promotions.

The question is, how attractive those promotions are. If that's not catchy, then it will just be totally ignored.

[maydna]

Sometimes this one is one of important factor we need to consider because it also hard to sleep with at ease if we got some huge problem and the representative is not active enough to solve our issues so gamblers should also look on this before selecting a casino to play. But since this one is not included on the choices given by OP I guess we must choose what is more better option to us and its really interesting to read people answer to this discussion.

Actually there's a lot of things you should consider in a gambling site and not only promotions or RTP let's assume that they offer good RTP and promotion but they have poor performance in support and security this would be a factor too right? but yes the OP's question is only in RTP and promotion which I think it should be balance in my opinion.

If that's the case, I think many of us don't want to try it because we don't want to get into trouble when playing gambling or after playing gambling and want to withdraw the winning money. That means we also have to see if the casino has a good or bad performance, which can be taken into account in our decision so that even if the casino only has one of them, RTP or promotion, we won't have any problems later.

[iv4n]

I think RTP is the most important factor to the gamblers. The good RTP a gambling site, the more interesting the gambling site is. But many a users came to gamble on the gambling site by being influenced by seeing promotional offer. So, promotional offer plays a vital role too.

A lower RTP is a promotion for itself! So RTP plays a vital role, but not crucial! Like any other promotion! The promotion is as good as it suits us as players, some people like this and some people like that, and before all that comes the bankroll, can we participate at all?! Is the promotion aiming for high rollers or we ordinary players can take some prizes as well!? Do we need some higher deposit and some crazy wagering requirements to participate? I speak this from my own experience after participating in many, many promotions/competitions/races/etc!

I play slots with lower and higher RTP! And from my experience, I know both can have really long losing streaks, and both can give you nice wins, but only if you are lucky! You can think that with higher RTP you have more chances, but if it's not your night it's just not!

[Odusko]

I think RTP is the most important factor to the gamblers. The good RTP a gambling site, the more interesting the gambling site is. But many a users came to gamble on the gambling site by being influenced by seeing promotional offer. So, promotional offer plays a vital role too.

You are right any casino that does not focus on their customer's satisfaction will never gain a reputation as the way you treat your clients determine how reputable your site is, and this is the aspect most casino which is after a large community get it wrong once their have some level of users their neglect the welfare of the old users and their run after new users with various attractive welcome bonus and campaign that require large funds and this funds can be channeled to the right direction that can help improve the total operation of the casino.

[mahendra-13]

I think those are two different things that are not connected to each other. Whatever RTP a particular game has, it works against you in long term. Even if the RTP is 99%, this 1 percent you will lose. Bonuses give you the chance to cover all your losses with multipliers, mini jackpots, etc.

[shasan]

I think those are two different things that are not connected to each other. Whatever RTP a particular game has, it works against you in long term. Even if the RTP is 99%, this 1 percent you will lose. Bonuses give you the chance to cover all your losses with multipliers, mini jackpots, etc.

Why RTP goes against the gambler in a particular game for the long term. I think RTP does not go against the gambler at any time. So, the idea of me and you are totally different. In this case would you like to tell the details of being against of RTP, so that I can compare my thinking and thinking of you.

[paxmao]

But there may be some gamblers who are looking for both, RTP and promotion but they are not active gamblers because by getting a good promotion and being supported by a gambling game that has a high RTP, maybe it can provide a meaningful win for them. I also agree that it's up to us to treat the gambling itself and I think if we don't want to see a lot of losses, we need to be able to figure out what to do during gambling. No matter if it is an RTP or a promotion, gambling still has two options, win and lose.

I think that only a professional gambler with a huge quantity of games can understand difference between 94 and 95 percent RTP. For gambler is better high RTP and promotion the same time, of course, and if promotion are the same, i will choose the casino with the highest RTP, but it willn`t be the main reason of the choice for me.

There are a lot of factors not only on RTP and promotion that will want you to stay and be part of a casino's features like responsiveness to complaints and fairness of the game, RTP and promotions are good between the two RTP are far better because it will motivate gamblers to play deposit more and play and it's a win-win for both parties.

Of course it is so and the main reason to choose casino for me not the promotion or high RTP. But when i made a list of casinos that are good for me with the main requirements - i begin compare their opportunities. And here i choose options that can increase my profit - the promotions and high RTP are in this list.

I think that knowing the RTP from a casino is usually difficult and takes time and by the time a player finds out, he may already like the games and has gotten used to the style and dynamics of the site. Promotions however and one-off bonuses are quite efficient at giving that initial push to the player to enter and try the site. So despite many people actually liking RTP, they end up following promotions.

[Oilacris]

But there may be some gamblers who are looking for both, RTP and promotion but they are not active gamblers because by getting a good promotion and being supported by a gambling game that has a high RTP, maybe it can provide a meaningful win for them. I also agree that it's up to us to treat the gambling itself and I think if we don't want to see a lot of losses, we need to be able to figure out what to do during gambling. No matter if it is an RTP or a promotion, gambling still has two options, win and lose.

I think that only a professional gambler with a huge quantity of games can understand difference between 94 and 95 percent RTP. For gambler is better high RTP and promotion the same time, of course, and if promotion are the same, i will choose the casino with the highest RTP, but it willn`t be the main reason of the choice for me.

There are a lot of factors not only on RTP and promotion that will want you to stay and be part of a casino's features like responsiveness to complaints and fairness of the game, RTP and promotions are good between the two RTP are far better because it will motivate gamblers to play deposit more and play and it's a win-win for both parties.

Sometimes this one is one of important factor we need to consider because it also hard to sleep with at ease if we got some huge problem and the representative is not active enough to solve our issues so gamblers should also look on this before selecting a casino to play. But since this one is not included on the choices given by OP I guess we must choose what is more better option to us and its really interesting to read people answer to this discussion.

This is the beauty on having this forum on which we could really able to read up people real time experiences and feedbacks on which we could really take a look upon.

Speaking about RTP then whether its high or low it would really be having significant effects specially on longer runs.You would able to feel out the effect.
Some do prefer low ones rather than on high but in overall they are all just the same on general sense imho.

[Wexnident]

Consequently, do you think there should be a balance between RTP and promotions? because I know that the impact of a high RTP is undoubtedly a loss of promotion quality, but the casino would be taking more stability, and in part the casino must do everything possible so that it does not fall in profits or in maintenance, but a casino lives off its customers, which makes it a faithful servant for them, so that every customer feels that they are better than at home.

They should be separated I think. One is taking into account the long term for the casino, while the other is trying to increase the customers in the short term for the casino, both have their own disadvantages and advantages but most importantly, having the both of them be balanced and proper does not in any way affect the other. Having an increase in promotions doesn't necessarily damage the RTP, nor does having a fair RTP damage the marketing capabilities of a casino. Sure in the short term there may be an imbalance with the promotions having higher notice, especially for new casinos since they're trying to accept new users, but in the long term? They should be completely separated from each other.

[Despairo]

I have a funny experiences in slots, when I played on low/normal RTP games sometimes I win bigger by luckily hit the high multipliers. But when I played on high RTP games, I didn't even hit the high multipliers and most of the cases I lose more than I win. But in some cases, the bonus still save me a bit due to high wagering. I'm not really looking games with high RTP, I'm more looking which games I usually have a luck.

[adzino]

I doubt a serious gambler would care about the promotions and other rewards. Those are peanuts for serious gamblers. Those will only attract low quality users. The RTP factor is much more important for them. They would all prefer to play on casinos with games that have high RTP because in the long run it is the RTP factor that determines how fast they will go bankrupt. On other hand, those who seldom gambles wouldn't care much because the RTP factor doesn't affect them much. They would prefer promotions and other rewaeds.

[btc78]

I doubt a serious gambler would care about the promotions and other rewards. Those are peanuts for serious gamblers. Those will only attract low quality users. The RTP factor is much more important for them. They would all prefer to play on casinos with games that have high RTP because in the long run it is the RTP factor that determines how fast they will go bankrupt. On other hand, those who seldom gambles wouldn't care much because the RTP factor doesn't affect them much. They would prefer promotions and other rewaeds.

Yeah for serious gambler mate,But we knew here in forum ? there are small margin that in this level instead majority of gamblers here are small bettors in which seeking for those promotions and freebies so this is the main target/objective of this topic , to understand what is the sympathy of this forum and maybe for the incoming Gambling owner to understand and take as priority in targeting audience and players.

[Bitinity]

I doubt a serious gambler would care about the promotions and other rewards. Those are peanuts for serious gamblers. Those will only attract low quality users. The RTP factor is much more important for them. They would all prefer to play on casinos with games that have high RTP because in the long run it is the RTP factor that determines how fast they will go bankrupt. On other hand, those who seldom gambles wouldn't care much because the RTP factor doesn't affect them much. They would prefer promotions and other rewaeds.

Depends on what kind of promotions are offered by the casinos. Serious gamblers may consider for decent rakeback/loseback or other benefits for being high roller as it can give some money back when they are losing. In this case low quality users wont be that attracted with rakeback/loseback as the amount would be small amount only.

[ipanks]

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Although serious gambler is not too concerned about promotions and rewards, sometimes they also want to feel the promotion and bonus because every time they deposit the money, the number can be more than other gamblers. Therefore, if they can get the bonus, the amount of their balance can be more, which means they can have longer fun. Playing gambling games with high RTP will not necessarily give us a long-term advantage. Even maybe we can experience many losses, depending on the amount of money we have.

[Theones]

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Although serious gambler is not too concerned about promotions and rewards, sometimes they also want to feel the promotion and bonus because every time they deposit the money, the number can be more than other gamblers. Therefore, if they can get the bonus, the amount of their balance can be more, which means they can have longer fun. Playing gambling games with high RTP will not necessarily give us a long-term advantage. Even maybe we can experience many losses, depending on the amount of money we have.

Just as question - how many gambler here in the forum goes for the promotion?
If the gamblor is aged - would he be concerned about promotion - I never seen a serious gamblor much worried about promotions peanuts. But they would go for a bigger shot that is RTP

[Kelvinid]

I doubt a serious gambler would care about the promotions and other rewards. Those are peanuts for serious gamblers. Those will only attract low quality users. The RTP factor is much more important for them. They would all prefer to play on casinos with games that have high RTP because in the long run it is the RTP factor that determines how fast they will go bankrupt. On other hand, those who seldom gambles wouldn't care much because the RTP factor doesn't affect them much. They would prefer promotions and other rewaeds.

I got your point here. Serious gamblers won't just look for additional rewards which some gambling sites do, they instead just focus on what they possibly get from gambling, and likely they consider how the casino provides good services to the players.
Well, I don't much care about rewards but what I need and probably all the gamblers are looking for is a gambling site that has a good level of RTP which I think this one it encourages more people to come, not those certain promotions and rewards.

[MinMan]

The fact is, regardless of the RTP, still, losing is always bound to happen in the long run.

If that's the case then just hope that there will be lots of promotions that the said site will deploy to somehow aside from waiting for our luck to come, we are sure to have those advantages at these promotions.

The question is, how attractive those promotions are. If that's not catchy, then it will just be totally ignored.

I remember I play with a 98% percent chance and got lots of reds in a short period of time. That can be the same with rtp on slots, even if the rtp is better and not adjusted, the losses are still going to be felt if you are unlucky. Promotions are a good way to add extra profits and sometimes the profits that you can get on a promotion is much better compare to what you are getting on your normal game.

This is why ill also go for promotions and it's fine for me if they will tweak the rtp, only to give way for the promotion. I can still win anyway if I am lucky and if I can also win on the promotion then nice, that's a double win, it's like killing two birds with one stone.

[Hypnosis00]

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I remember I play with a 98% percent chance and got lots of reds in a short period of time. That can be the same with rtp on slots, even if the rtp is better and not adjusted, the losses are still going to be felt if you are unlucky. Promotions are a good way to add extra profits and sometimes the profits that you can get on a promotion is much better compare to what you are getting on your normal game.

This is why ill also go for promotions and it's fine for me if they will tweak the rtp, only to give way for the promotion. I can still win anyway if I am lucky and if I can also win on the promotion then nice, that's a double win, it's like killing two birds with one stone.

It is found to be beneficial if these promotions are reliable. Many gamblers have been tricked by these promotions making them deposit more and lose more.

But I really don't think this really matters upon choosing a gambling site, I'd still see that the majority will consider RTP over these promotions for the long term. Well, of course, why not ignore this if we can avail as long as it was reliable but never do we think this is a ticket to win, a luck base game certainly needs luck in order to win.

[zidanw]

I am sure that both is important for players but I just want to ask did you experience before that the gambling site has a low RTP than the other gambling site but they offer good promotions which results in getting more players but they always losing?

[iv4n]

I doubt a serious gambler would care about the promotions and other rewards. Those are peanuts for serious gamblers...

This is not true! Serious gamblers care about promotions, they have an advantage with a big bankroll!

Those will only attract low quality users. The RTP factor is much more important for them. They would all prefer to play on casinos with games that have high RTP because in the long run it is the RTP factor that determines how fast they will go bankrupt. On other hand, those who seldom gambles wouldn't care much because the RTP factor doesn't affect them much. They would prefer promotions and other rewaeds.

RTP factor is less important than the choice of a casino! Different casinos have different RTP for many games, but I see people gambling in all the places, and when you check all the ongoing promotions in any casino you will see how much you need to wager to take some higher place and some reward for that! You can find many serious gamblers competing in different promotions in various casinos!

It is found to be beneficial if these promotions are reliable. Many gamblers have been tricked by these promotions making them deposit more and lose more.

If you play in reputable casinos all the promotions are reliable! I haven't heard of a case where players have been cheated for promotion prizes, at least not in any trustworthy casino around!
Nobody tricks you to deposit more and lose more except your own mind!

[yayayo]

It is found to be beneficial if these promotions are reliable. Many gamblers have been tricked by these promotions making them deposit more and lose more.

Not all, there are some promotions that are not too difficult and not all the time you are getting tricked by these promotions. Another reason why they are difficult is that they are prone to cheatings and abuse of the users and the only way they can do it is either let it a little bit challenging or ask KYC.

ya.ya.yo!

[Theones]

It is found to be beneficial if these promotions are reliable. Many gamblers have been tricked by these promotions making them deposit more and lose more.

Not all, there are some promotions that are not too difficult and not all the time you are getting tricked by these promotions. Another reason why they are difficult is that they are prone to cheatings and abuse of the users and the only way they can do it is either let it a little bit challenging or ask KYC.

ya.ya.yo!

Some people are smart enough to use promotions wisely and get the most out of it. Promotions and bonuses are to be taken care of properly - if used wisely they can bring you good return.
But for serious gamblers they might not have time to think of promotion as they would go with their own fame plans.

[joeperry]

Some people are smart enough to use promotions wisely and get the most out of it. Promotions and bonuses are to be taken care of properly - if used wisely they can bring you good return.
But for serious gamblers they might not have time to think of promotion as they would go with their own fame plans.

That's right most of the big and serious gamblers doesn't look for promotion, I mean the common promotion that can be find in the casino but they do look for some special VIP promotion like special rake back and other VIP features like personal assistant and doesn't interest them with normal promotions.

As you can see some players bet almost more than 900k in just one bet, I don't think a deposit bonus would interest them.

[Fluer]

I would choose bigger bonuses with lower wagering requirements. Sometimes wagering requirements are very exhaustive, and they are not even worth mentioning. But some bonuses are great. As for RTP, it doesn't matter to me at all.

[Kakmakr]

So, from what I have read in most of the posts.... most people want a balanced mix between a good RTP and also some promotions. The VIPs want Rakeback and promotions that are geared to wagering volume and the casual gambler just want to prolong their gambling experience ...so they will prefer a better RTP. 

The marketing teams of some of the bigger casinos out there have a huge challenge to balance RTP vs Promotions, because they have to retain current users and they have to draw new gamblers to the site. 

[mm2543363580]

So, from what I have read in most of the posts.... most people want a balanced mix between a good RTP and also some promotions. The VIPs want Rakeback and promotions that are geared to wagering volume and the casual gambler just want to prolong their gambling experience ...so they will prefer a better RTP. 

The marketing teams of some of the bigger casinos out there have a huge challenge to balance RTP vs Promotions, because they have to retain current users and they have to draw new gamblers to the site. 

very valid point - there should be a mix to both. Too much promotions take away the charm. On the other hand - - not having any promotion might miss some of the new gamblers who are looking to start their career in gambling. So a good mix of both will be helpful in my opinion however an expert would think on other lines.

[og kush420]

I would choose bigger bonuses with lower wagering requirements. Sometimes wagering requirements are very exhaustive, and they are not even worth mentioning. But some bonuses are great. As for RTP, it doesn't matter to me at all.

Most of the members here believe that the mix of both RPT and Promotions will be a good thing.
But serious players would prefer playing for RPT - they will be more focused on their mind game rather than learning what is new in promotion.

[Fortify]

I doubt a serious gambler would care about the promotions and other rewards. Those are peanuts for serious gamblers. Those will only attract low quality users. The RTP factor is much more important for them. They would all prefer to play on casinos with games that have high RTP because in the long run it is the RTP factor that determines how fast they will go bankrupt. On other hand, those who seldom gambles wouldn't care much because the RTP factor doesn't affect them much. They would prefer promotions and other rewaeds.

I'm not sure there is such a thing as a "serious gambler", it could only mean someone who has more money than they know how to fritter away and they tend to be extremely rare whale types. For everyone else the sooner they learn that gambling is only ever going to make the casino richer the better. Promotions in some cases might be the only way that a casino gives up a little bit of cash, usually in a controlled circumstance where they keep amounts low (like guess 5 right for a chance to win more) or a welcome bonus. If you're the type who wants to make money from the casino, then welcome bonuses can actually stack up rather nicely if you look into matched betting.

[Odusko]

I would choose bigger bonuses with lower wagering requirements. Sometimes wagering requirements are very exhaustive, and they are not even worth mentioning. But some bonuses are great. As for RTP, it doesn't matter to me at all.

Worst case scenario what if you have a load of bonuses but with a bad RTP that makes you lose everything, if you have a high RTP there is no way the bonuses will be worth it after all you will play them all away since the casino already set a high RTP that make it impossible for the player to win. So I prefer better RTP to loads of bonuses.

[mm2543363580]

Latter ofc. The former is there to let the casino last longer since it attracts new customers, but if they were only attracted momentarily, then the original meaning of doing it is actually lost. They have to give benefits to players not just in the early stages, but also for the entire length of their stay in their casino. To simplify, marketing strategies are for the casino to profit whether it be short or long term (mostly short term imo). RTP on the other hand, only lets them benefit in the long term imo.

Now, what can we as gamblers do to get the casino operators to give more attention to the gambling experience? 

Other than giving out suggestions, I don't think we can. They're probably thinking about a bunch of stuff as well so I won't judge them arbitrarily, but paying too much attention to promotions over what the users really want can be a red flag if done one too many times.

I agree - there are so many strings attached to every element.
With one thing going in fine direction there is another thing that comes in wrong one. So I think a technical person will be more appreciate person to answer this.

[seleme]

I would choose bigger bonuses with lower wagering requirements. Sometimes wagering requirements are very exhaustive, and they are not even worth mentioning. But some bonuses are great. As for RTP, it doesn't matter to me at all.

Worst case scenario what if you have a load of bonuses but with a bad RTP that makes you lose everything, if you have a high RTP there is no way the bonuses will be worth it after all you will play them all away since the casino already set a high RTP that make it impossible for the player to win. So I prefer better RTP to loads of bonuses.

It doesn't make sense, you can withdraw promo money from higher A casino and keep doubling "easy money" on higher RTP alternative B casino. Tbh, balanced features make it easy for average users since expert gamblers know how to handle such situations🙂 Expert gamblers understand odds of hitting max win on slots and they will never chase one in billion chance of hitting max win unlike newbie users. The promotions can improve the odds of hitting huge multipliers on alternative platforms if user knows what he is doing.

[Flexystar]

I think RTP is very important over promotions because the later one could fill up your wallet with free spins or some deposits but it won’t let you win handsome amount so as to break even with the same. In addition to this, if you look from casinos point of view then it won’t be beneficial for them to keep releasing lot of promotions. Many times user could just misuse free spins to win a lot and leave the casino. For casino to keep us entertained they need optimum RTP to keep both of us happy.

[ipanks]

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For some gamblers, RTP may be very important than promotions. Still, promotions can be important for others because by getting or participating in ongoing promotions, they can get bonuses or something free. So between RTP and promotion is a relative thing for gamblers.

But from the casino's point of view, if they provide a lot of various promotions, they can attract people to gamble at their place. If anyone tries to abuse promotions or get free spins by cheating, the casino will know for sure.

[passwordnow]

I think RTP is very important over promotions because the later one could fill up your wallet with free spins or some deposits but it won’t let you win handsome amount so as to break even with the same. In addition to this, if you look from casinos point of view then it won’t be beneficial for them to keep releasing lot of promotions. Many times user could just misuse free spins to win a lot and leave the casino. For casino to keep us entertained they need optimum RTP to keep both of us happy.

It's typical because they're a business. They take and give back to their customers through those free spins and other promos that they could give. But they're not going to give all of those or bigger amounts because they know that they could be bombarded by customers just because of those promos. Well, if many gamblers misuse their free spins, it's not a problem to them and it's no longer a thing to them. It's about that they just want to give it away and let it be used by them.

[Desmong]

Although serious gambler is not too concerned about promotions and rewards, sometimes they also want to feel the promotion and bonus because every time they deposit the money, the number can be more than other gamblers. Therefore, if they can get the bonus, the amount of their balance can be more, which means they can have longer fun. Playing gambling games with high RTP will not necessarily give us a long-term advantage. Even maybe we can experience many losses, depending on the amount of money we have.

Many times bonuses and reward always attract more gamblers to a gambling platform and it increases the urge to gamble more since you can always get additional funds from invites and frequent gambling. This will keep the gambling platform flooded with more gamblers since their is something attached when you play, having fun. 

[og kush420]

Although serious gambler is not too concerned about promotions and rewards, sometimes they also want to feel the promotion and bonus because every time they deposit the money, the number can be more than other gamblers. Therefore, if they can get the bonus, the amount of their balance can be more, which means they can have longer fun. Playing gambling games with high RTP will not necessarily give us a long-term advantage. Even maybe we can experience many losses, depending on the amount of money we have.

Many times bonuses and reward always attract more gamblers to a gambling platform and it increases the urge to gamble more since you can always get additional funds from invites and frequent gambling. This will keep the gambling platform flooded with more gamblers since their is something attached when you play, having fun. 

A part from this - my question is what do people notice when they are playing in black jack in an online gambling or in real casino?
Do they see rule or what? the favors which are going to benefit them or they ask other questions? Just because I am curious to know! 

[bitterguy28]

I think RTP is very important over promotions because the later one could fill up your wallet with free spins or some deposits but it won’t let you win handsome amount so as to break even with the same. In addition to this, if you look from casinos point of view then it won’t be beneficial for them to keep releasing lot of promotions. Many times user could just misuse free spins to win a lot and leave the casino. For casino to keep us entertained they need optimum RTP to keep both of us happy.

For some gamblers, RTP may be very important than promotions. Still, promotions can be important for others because by getting or participating in ongoing promotions, they can get bonuses or something free. So between RTP and promotion is a relative thing for gamblers.

But from the casino's point of view, if they provide a lot of various promotions, they can attract people to gamble at their place. If anyone tries to abuse promotions or get free spins by cheating, the casino will know for sure.

That is why there is a need to ask for one when both can be conducted by the company? there are company that open this and also there are many players that is looking for that.

Of course personally I am for Promotions because this is also what I was looking for the gambling site I am going to enter, since i can try the site while not spending any to risk .

[Yamifoud]

I think RTP is very important over promotions because the later one could fill up your wallet with free spins or some deposits but it won’t let you win handsome amount so as to break even with the same. In addition to this, if you look from casinos point of view then it won’t be beneficial for them to keep releasing lot of promotions. Many times user could just misuse free spins to win a lot and leave the casino. For casino to keep us entertained they need optimum RTP to keep both of us happy.

It's typical because they're a business. They take and give back to their customers through those free spins and other promos that they could give. But they're not going to give all of those or bigger amounts because they know that they could be bombarded by customers just because of those promos. Well, if many gamblers misuse their free spins, it's not a problem to them and it's no longer a thing to them. It's about that they just want to give it away and let it be used by them.

It is just an additional attraction and it is become effective in a way that there is an increase in users. And behind those promotions and free spins, there is a huge benefit that goes back to them. Gambling is a business, certain strategies have been created just for the sake of making money, not by spending it without an expected return as it was not.

They'll come out with this promotional strategy and besides, new sites adopt this thing for they know that popularity is very important and this seems a way to help.

[Ryu_Ar1]

Although serious gambler is not too concerned about promotions and rewards, sometimes they also want to feel the promotion and bonus because every time they deposit the money, the number can be more than other gamblers. Therefore, if they can get the bonus, the amount of their balance can be more, which means they can have longer fun. Playing gambling games with high RTP will not necessarily give us a long-term advantage. Even maybe we can experience many losses, depending on the amount of money we have.

Many times bonuses and reward always attract more gamblers to a gambling platform and it increases the urge to gamble more since you can always get additional funds from invites and frequent gambling. This will keep the gambling platform flooded with more gamblers since their is something attached when you play, having fun. 

even though it is indeed quite naive but it is true, sometimes even entering into a gambling see it first but of course not everything is like that especially if they really want to be careful in looking at the gambling sites they visit.
It doesn't really matter whether it's a gift or a big bonus, but if the site has problems, of course we don't want to be there either

[Alisha FR]

marketing gambling sites to attract people to gamble there. Marketing is becoming an important factor to make progress in gambling. by increasing their site traffic and sacrificing RTP, I think this is going to cost a lot of money.

Most likely what they want from increasing their site's traffic is to recruit gamblers to choose to play there. However, they would also be careful, would not let any harm befall them. I don't think they're wasting money and sacrificing RTP. but there is another big goal for the advancement of their site. and if we look at the scenario, marketing and RTP will go hand in hand and not harm them.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I think that high RTP decreases the quantity and quality of the promotions. The casino gets less money to spend it for promotion. Of course if this is an honest casino with truthful information. And what to choose everyone decide by himself. As for me - the promotions can be more useful to the ordinary gambler - the chances to win decreases, but it is possible that promotions will bring him more money. I`m choosing promotions.

Well, I'm in both of them. There's the beneficial part for the gamblers if there are more promotions and as well as RTP. But balancing it depends on the casino where you're playing and what they're looking at.
If they have become aggressive in their marketing and promotions then you have to understand what they're up to. As long as the gambling experience never changes, there's no need to jump elsewhere.

^ Probably a low-budget casino will for sure consider first the promotions especially for those gambling casinos that have been recently started or those did not yet have decent users. After they will benefit from their promotions it could be the RTP will follow and most usually we see it here, promotions first, and then when it is effective they will have a high RTP to maintain their user stay on the site.
However, there are gambling casino that most generous giving promotions and RTP, probably because this also have a high return to them when the more users have the more profit will come.

Consequently, do you think there should be a balance between RTP and promotions? because I know that the impact of a high RTP is undoubtedly a loss of promotion quality, but the casino would be taking more stability, and in part the casino must do everything possible so that it does not fall in profits or in maintenance, but a casino lives off its customers, which makes it a faithful servant for them, so that every customer feels that they are better than at home.

For me the promotions are important, the RTP should be in balance with it, I have not thought that if the balance tilts to one side who would benefit?

Even though RTP is one of the most find by the different gambler with also higher offer i guess still in the gambling platform it might be a lose to their side unless there's a largest wager event and only people who are in the top 10 approximately are the one who have the opportunity, but i saw different platform offering with higher RTP i guess this is part of their marketing strategy which is good too its all about the decision of the gambling platform at the end of the day its their reputation and earnings too.

You know that you hit a key point, and normally I think that is where everything is generated, the business model that there is always in the casino platforms is very large, each casino and each person who manages it has a great administration under which they want to achieve the best possible, if everything is based on a good promotion in a great RTP that attracts players, it is not a bad move, on the contrary, it is the best of the strategies that can be done, many of us when we see that you can win quickly somehow we start to try our luck, we always keep positivity at very high levels, and since we know that the house will also always have the advantage, sometimes we don't remember those things, so maybe with only the promotion it will be the best strategy to enter many players.

[ipanks]

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Yes, of course. That is the strategy of every casino and they are used to using it to get more gamblers to gamble at their place. It is a challenge for gamblers to say no at this time to reduce their time in gambling. But if they are used to gambling, they will always deposit money for fun.

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I think we are both looking for promotions to get more balance, free spins, or other bonuses because that means it can give us more opportunities to win even though it doesn't guarantee us get a win. Sometimes those promotions can be free credits from casinos that have just been released and they give them away to attract more people.

[BitcoinAccepted]

I think we are both looking for promotions to get more balance, free spins, or other bonuses because that means it can give us more opportunities to win even though it doesn't guarantee us get a win. Sometimes those promotions can be free credits from casinos that have just been released and they give them away to attract more people.

Exactly. Those promotions doesn't guarantee that you would win but it doesn't mean that it is impossible for you to win, I joined a lot of competitions and promotions and I can say that I win a good amount in some of those so I think some promotions really do give wins.

[passwordnow]

It's typical because they're a business. They take and give back to their customers through those free spins and other promos that they could give. But they're not going to give all of those or bigger amounts because they know that they could be bombarded by customers just because of those promos. Well, if many gamblers misuse their free spins, it's not a problem to them and it's no longer a thing to them. It's about that they just want to give it away and let it be used by them.

It is just an additional attraction and it is become effective in a way that there is an increase in users. And behind those promotions and free spins, there is a huge benefit that goes back to them. Gambling is a business, certain strategies have been created just for the sake of making money, not by spending it without an expected return as it was not.

They'll come out with this promotional strategy and besides, new sites adopt this thing for they know that popularity is very important and this seems a way to help.

Those type of promos really are helping them to become popular. Gamblers are hooked into those marketing promotions that casinos are doing. At first if it's all about the promotions, then there's also the case that players will be the ones that will receive back the effect of it.
Entirely, it's for the casino and if it's needed to be done to keep the casino breathing, they'll do everything whatever it takes.

[Peanutswar]

I would choose bigger bonuses with lower wagering requirements. Sometimes wagering requirements are very exhaustive, and they are not even worth mentioning. But some bonuses are great. As for RTP, it doesn't matter to me at all.

Worst case scenario what if you have a load of bonuses but with a bad RTP that makes you lose everything, if you have a high RTP there is no way the bonuses will be worth it after all you will play them all away since the casino already set a high RTP that make it impossible for the player to win. So I prefer better RTP to loads of bonuses.

It doesn't make sense, you can withdraw promo money from higher A casino and keep doubling "easy money" on higher RTP alternative B casino. Tbh, balanced features make it easy for average users since expert gamblers know how to handle such situations🙂 Expert gamblers understand odds of hitting max win on slots and they will never chase one in billion chance of hitting max win unlike newbie users. The promotions can improve the odds of hitting huge multipliers on alternative platforms if user knows what he is doing.

Its all about the personal preferences, some people would like to make a bonus spins because there's a chance getting the jackpot at the highest price of the game, well its ll about the luck with that mostly of course slot games is the ideal for this kind of game. For the RTP its ideal for the large amount of wager such as in the event of the leaderboard highest wage of all time for a day, week or monthly  base they gained profit by doing this kind of activity of course to the people who does not play large wages. I prefer with the Bonus spins.

[Mauser]

Its all about the personal preferences, some people would like to make a bonus spins because there's a chance getting the jackpot at the highest price of the game, well its ll about the luck with that mostly of course slot games is the ideal for this kind of game. For the RTP its ideal for the large amount of wager such as in the event of the leaderboard highest wage of all time for a day, week or monthly  base they gained profit by doing this kind of activity of course to the people who does not play large wages. I prefer with the Bonus spins.

Bonus spins sounds always nice, but I never heard from anybody who wins a lot of money from these bonus spins. For years I am eagerly jumping on any new promotion that gives away bonus spins. They are fun to use, but my profits are usually just 0.1-0.3$. It makes sense for casino to only give away small amounts during such big promotions. Just wondering if there is someone who manages to score big with them. On paper playing at a casino with many promotions looks very nice, there is always free stuff to collect and keeps us gamblers engaged. That is probably also why I prefer to see new promotion campaigns rather than just plain games with good RTP. But for our profits it is probably better to play on casinos with high RTP games. Getting higher wins on average will likely offset the money we could have gotten from free promotions. 

[zidanw]

I once played on a casino with more than 100 free spins and nearly one $300 however I need to wager that win and ended up losing so for me I think it is important to have promotions to attract players but also having a better RTP would be good for players that will be playing for too long and promotions for not that active players.

[AicecreaME]

I once played on a casino with more than 100 free spins and nearly one $300 however I need to wager that win and ended up losing so for me I think it is important to have promotions to attract players but also having a better RTP would be good for players that will be playing for too long and promotions for not that active players.

Sign up bonuses are really a thing in a casino or other gambling sites. These are made and given to new players to entice them to play and of course, wager so that the casino won't be on the losing end. As far as I know, most casinos don't really offer big amounts from bonus spins. I was wondering how you did it. But perhaps it's feasible if you're skilled and lucky enough.

RTP is essential to retain the players. Once a player started to play in that certain casino or site, of course, he is expecting some winning. If the house's rtp is very low, most probably the players will not be encouraged to stay and rather go out and find a new casino that will cater their needs. Because as you see, not everyone is just also after the fun, but also after the monetary prizes that come along with betting.

[MinMan]

I think we are both looking for promotions to get more balance, free spins, or other bonuses because that means it can give us more opportunities to win even though it doesn't guarantee us get a win. Sometimes those promotions can be free credits from casinos that have just been released and they give them away to attract more people.

Exactly. Those promotions doesn't guarantee that you would win but it doesn't mean that it is impossible for you to win, I joined a lot of competitions and promotions and I can say that I win a good amount in some of those so I think some promotions really do give wins.

Good for you but we aren't the same. Some are just bad luck or don't do good in promotions but they can do better on the standard games so they will prefer better rtp and one more thing is that promotions don't last forever and they can only come rarely but standard games are there at all times, which means you can win much better if you are lucky than compare to when you only participate on promotions.

Not only in promotions but gambling in general doesn't guarantee us a win. It is a business not a charity as what most people say so therefore expect to lose or we can say don't expect to win but only enjoy every moment when you are playing.

[ipanks]

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On the other hand, the number of my winnings in the promotion wasn't much but it was a result that I found pleasing. I think promotions can help gamblers get more prizes or additional balances or free spins and the rest, we don't have to expect too much to get a lot of wins. We better to play without any intention to win because that is our way to enjoy the promotion.

[BitcoinAccepted]

Do the RTP only works in third party provider games? I see some in-house slots game do they also have RTP? I think you can only verify the bet but they don't have RTP like the common casino games we get used to, or am I wrong?

[Theones]

Do the RTP only works in third party provider games? I see some in-house slots game do they also have RTP? I think you can only verify the bet but they don't have RTP like the common casino games we get used to, or am I wrong?

Most of the members in the forum believe that a mix of both would be good. But not sure if the gambler would have time to go through all the terms and conditions or they like to go through what they have thought about the bet.

[Fatunad]

Do the RTP only works in third party provider games? I see some in-house slots game do they also have RTP? I think you can only verify the bet but they don't have RTP like the common casino games we get used to, or am I wrong?

Most of the members in the forum believe that a mix of both would be good. But not sure if the gambler would have time to go through all the terms and conditions or they like to go through what they have thought about the bet.

Some are really mindful about particular things specially on where they do make theirselves involved.Some people would be minding about
RTP,Variance and other in related to slot on where they do prefer on seeing wins even though amounts are small or they do love
to see bigger wins on less chances which is actually depending on someones preference.

Not all would really be that mindful or getting serious since most of the time people would just simply place bets and wait for them
to win on every roll without minding about these factors.

[24Kt]

Do the RTP only works in third party provider games? I see some in-house slots game do they also have RTP? I think you can only verify the bet but they don't have RTP like the common casino games we get used to, or am I wrong?

Most of the members in the forum believe that a mix of both would be good. But not sure if the gambler would have time to go through all the terms and conditions or they like to go through what they have thought about the bet.

In my experience, most are checking the reputation of the casino itself before going to this RTP factor. It is like one of the secondary features that gamblers will check out on the casino. Because even if the RTP of the casino is much better than the other but they have existing allegations, are you going to play with them? I don't think so. But setting aside the reputation factor, if you are a regular player, I believe you will prefer better RTP. With promotions, sometimes they have conditions that you need to meet before you can join. But with better RTP, everyone can benefit.

[DoublerHunter]

Do the RTP only works in third party provider games? I see some in-house slots game do they also have RTP? I think you can only verify the bet but they don't have RTP like the common casino games we get used to, or am I wrong?

Most of the members in the forum believe that a mix of both would be good. But not sure if the gambler would have time to go through all the terms and conditions or they like to go through what they have thought about the bet.

In my experience, most are checking the reputation of the casino itself before going to this RTP factor. It is like one of the secondary features that gamblers will check out on the casino. Because even if the RTP of the casino is much better than the other but they have existing allegations, are you going to play with them? I don't think so. But setting aside the reputation factor, if you are a regular player, I believe you will prefer better RTP. With promotions, sometimes they have conditions that you need to meet before you can join. But with better RTP, everyone can benefit.

^ The important thing that we should always remember, is to check first the reputation before the promos and bonuses.
We have here a gambling casino that has a bad reputation and even their participants have a negative warning under their profile, but they offered a lot of bonuses and RTP of course. So if you will know this issue, you will never even try to gamble there because of this issue. So for me, it always matters the reputation before anything else and I even suspect the casino that gives a higher RTP is a scam casino.
Nevertheless, people who are blind did see such issues and make noise when they get scammed.

[khaled0111]

Most of the members in the forum believe that a mix of both would be good. But not sure if the gambler would have time to go through all the terms and conditions or they like to go through what they have thought about the bet.

Not most but all members would prefer a casino that offer both high RTP and more promotions, who in his right mind would say no to this!
The problem is that such thing is not feasible. A casino with high rtp or low house edge makes less profit and hence can't afford to offer many promotions at least not ones that give big rewards. If they do, they will end up bankrupt in no time.

[RealMalatesta]

Some are just bad luck or don't do good in promotions but they can do better on the standard games so they will prefer better rtp and one more thing is that promotions don't last forever and they can only come rarely but standard games are there at all times, which means you can win much better if you are lucky than compare to when you only participate on promotions.

Not only in promotions but gambling in general doesn't guarantee us a win. It is a business not a charity as what most people say so therefore expect to lose or we can say don't expect to win but only enjoy every moment when you are playing.

Even though I believe that promotions could be 7/24 and one could end while the other one starts, I still believe that you are right. I mean a smaller chance of winning something huge doesn't worth losing more on each and every bet. That just makes it easier for me to lose all my money and quicker, which is not really fine for me.

The best case for me would be to actually end up with a proper profit with my betting, or at least losing it slower. Plus, just because a place has better RTP doesn't mean that they won't do promotions. Promotions are the marketing of casinos and they will be forced to do it to get new people so we take advantage of that anyway.

[decodx]

Most of the members in the forum believe that a mix of both would be good. But not sure if the gambler would have time to go through all the terms and conditions or they like to go through what they have thought about the bet.

Not most but all members would prefer a casino that offer both high RTP and more promotions, who in his right mind would say no to this!
The problem is that such thing is not feasible. A casino with high rtp or low house edge makes less profit and hence can't afford to offer many promotions at least not ones that give big rewards. If they do, they will end up bankrupt in no time.

Both segments are part of the marketing strategy and in many ways important. While casino promotions and welcome bonuses allow the casinos to get new players in the door, some of those players will then become loyal players . That will lead to a healthy and long-term revenue stream for the casino, provided they provide them with a quality product. But to keep their revenue steady, the casinos will need to continuously provide their regular players with enticing offers and competitive gaming environments. Otherwise the one-off promotions will not sustain the revenue. In other words, a strategy of attracting new players is only temporary and what you really need is an active player base. That is where the regular players come in. For this reason a good casino must balance the amount of promotions that they give to their regular players with the amount of rake they take from them. It is always a balancing act, but one that needs to be done correctly or the casino will go bankrupt.

[noormcs5]

Do the RTP only works in third party provider games? I see some in-house slots game do they also have RTP? I think you can only verify the bet but they don't have RTP like the common casino games we get used to, or am I wrong?

Most of the members in the forum believe that a mix of both would be good. But not sure if the gambler would have time to go through all the terms and conditions or they like to go through what they have thought about the bet.

Usually, we do not find both RTP and promotions in most of gambling casinos. There are some gambling casino's which focus only on RTP while for others promotions are more important to attract gamblers. I think RTP is more important because with promotions only, gamblers may play once or twice at your site but they will not return back if the RTP is not good and most of their money is lost in gambling.

[og kush420]

Usually, we do not find both RTP and promotions in most of gambling casinos. There are some gambling casino's which focus only on RTP while for others promotions are more important to attract gamblers. I think RTP is more important because with promotions only, gamblers may play once or twice at your site but they will not return back if the RTP is not good and most of their money is lost in gambling.

That's an important stance though. But my question is would the senior player prefer promotions as well. On the other hand - if they have mind set straight for what they want to bet and how they are going to play. Would they be availing the promotion or would they playing on their own bet?

[Pmalek]

I am seeing this thread for the first time, but I will share my opinion nevertheless.
Marketing campaigns are usually designed to attract new players. Preferably those with a lot of money to spend. Companies often forget about the customers who have been with them for many years. They look at them as already hooked to the product and there is no need for new stimulus and attention.

You can see that all over the place, and casinos are not doing anything different. If you want to sign with a new TV and Internet provider, you will find plenty of offers of 50% discounts for the first year, and things like that. But if you have been with the provider for 5 or 10 years, you don't get any discounts.

So I prefer higher RTPs and greater chances to win some money instead of having the casinos lower the reward pools because they are financing heir marketing campaigns with that money. 

[stomachgrowls]

Usually, we do not find both RTP and promotions in most of gambling casinos. There are some gambling casino's which focus only on RTP while for others promotions are more important to attract gamblers. I think RTP is more important because with promotions only, gamblers may play once or twice at your site but they will not return back if the RTP is not good and most of their money is lost in gambling.

That's an important stance though. But my question is would the senior player prefer promotions as well. On the other hand - if they have mind set straight for what they want to bet and how they are going to play. Would they be availing the promotion or would they playing on their own bet?

If i were to answer such question then i do prefer on making bets from my own deposit and wont be tending to touch up any promotions and bonuses because it do really sucks everytime you would really

be needing to hit up threshold or requirement for you to make out complete withdrawal of overall funds or simply you do need to wager which do really sucks when you are actively making
out some withdrawals anytime you do win.Its a hassle thing for me thats why im not really that interested but i dont know on some on why they are really interested on this one.

[shasan]

I have a funny experiences in slots, when I played on low/normal RTP games sometimes I win bigger by luckily hit the high multipliers. But when I played on high RTP games, I didn't even hit the high multipliers and most of the cases I lose more than I win. But in some cases, the bonus still save me a bit due to high wagering. I'm not really looking games with high RTP, I'm more looking which games I usually have a luck.

You face something which is excrption and as you know we should not count exception hence we should count which faces by the majority person/gamblers. And the majority fambers face the opposite of you. So, we should not consider it for the exception.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I once played on a casino with more than 100 free spins and nearly one $300 however I need to wager that win and ended up losing so for me I think it is important to have promotions to attract players but also having a better RTP would be good for players that will be playing for too long and promotions for not that active players.

Sign up bonuses are really a thing in a casino or other gambling sites. These are made and given to new players to entice them to play and of course, wager so that the casino won't be on the losing end. As far as I know, most casinos don't really offer big amounts from bonus spins. I was wondering how you did it. But perhaps it's feasible if you're skilled and lucky enough.

RTP is essential to retain the players. Once a player started to play in that certain casino or site, of course, he is expecting some winning. If the house's rtp is very low, most probably the players will not be encouraged to stay and rather go out and find a new casino that will cater their needs. Because as you see, not everyone is just also after the fun, but also after the monetary prizes that come along with betting.

I agree 100% with the statement, generally the conglomerate shows that the majority are looking for monetary benefit, it is something normal, it is something that must be accepted and that usually most people are looking for, I also think that those who are looking for fun is only a very small, but they really don't mind losing, they are usually people who have a lot of money, in the world there are many people with a lot of money who sometimes don't know what to spend it on, that is why casinos are the best option for them, although we can be hooked by a good promotion with a high probability of winning, those who only seek to benefit for money reasons, it is very likely that they will end up losing everything if they do not have good risk management, even though they have a High RTP.

[traderethereum]

Usually, we do not find both RTP and promotions in most of gambling casinos. There are some gambling casino's which focus only on RTP while for others promotions are more important to attract gamblers. I think RTP is more important because with promotions only, gamblers may play once or twice at your site but they will not return back if the RTP is not good and most of their money is lost in gambling.

That's an important stance though. But my question is would the senior player prefer promotions as well. On the other hand - if they have mind set straight for what they want to bet and how they are going to play. Would they be availing the promotion or would they playing on their own bet?

Some senior players will also prefer promotions because they also want to get some bonus that they can gamble on.
Moreover, some of the senior players often used more money than the other players so that if added to the promotion, they would get more.
Whether it's RTP or promotion, everyone will choose what they like and many of them will select both to get more benefits.
So both RTP and promotion can make them play longer than usual.

[Wimex]

One of the casinos where I gamble have gone totally overboard with their marketing campaigns. They are spending millions of dollars on marketing and to fund this, they introduced several projects to increase traffic to their site. Now, I am not going to say which site it is.... but I guess a lot of people play there.  Roll Eyes

The site is great ....but the gambling experience has deteriorated... because the RTP has been nerf'ed to hell and gone to pay for these projects.

Now my question is this... do you prefer that a casino offer loads of promotions and campaigns and sponsorships and sacrifice RTP in favor of that.... or will you rather have a decent gambling experience with a better RTP?

Let's discuss...  Wink

I think that a good gratification at the time of playing would be more viable than spending on pure promotions, but at the same time they need to have a good promotion to attract players, it would be useless to have games with a lot of chances to win but without traffic. As an average player, I would like there to be a balance between promotions and RTP, because the more players there are on the platform, the more money comes into the casino and I think the chances of winning increase. I think a casino that spends a lot on RTP and does not offer the required marketing will not have the same effect on the market and therefore will be more competitive with other casinos.

[livingfree]

I agree 100% with the statement, generally the conglomerate shows that the majority are looking for monetary benefit, it is something normal, it is something that must be accepted and that usually most people are looking for, I also think that those who are looking for fun is only a very small, but they really don't mind losing, they are usually people who have a lot of money, in the world there are many people with a lot of money who sometimes don't know what to spend it on, that is why casinos are the best option for them, although we can be hooked by a good promotion with a high probability of winning, those who only seek to benefit for money reasons, it is very likely that they will end up losing everything if they do not have good risk management, even though they have a High RTP.

There goes the gamblers that are for fun and it's truth but you are right, they could not be a lot of it and if they just do it for fun, they don't mind the losses.

They've got budget of it just like how the usual gambler does. They place in money and the amount that they can afford to lose because they've got a lot of money and resources to have some fun.

[Saint-loup]

Thank you, Mahdirakib.

And yes, you are indeed correct - variance plays a significant role in any slot session. Therefore, related to wagering, it's wise to choose low-variance games to finish/clear wagering requirements. However, there is another point of view.

Some players choice high-variance slot games. And for a good reason. As variance is higher, it also means that players can get a higher advantage over casinos due to the variance. (Of course, if the player is lucky enough, in a relatively short session).

Simply put, the casino always has the house edge over players. No matter if it's 1% or 10%. But with ultra-high variance games, the lucky player can cash out early in the game by hitting that rare 5,000xbet-size win.

In other words, if you imagine the lowest of the lowest variance game (zero variance), the casino will take its profits on every single spin. Just as my example in the previous post. There would be no chance for a player to cash out or win. That's why a high-variance slot game perfectly makes sense to many casino players.

And what will do the player with his winnings after that? You think he will stop gambling and never play any slots neither any gambling games again? In the same way he has been lucky to encounter a big win, he will maybe one day encounter a big losing streak or a big loss due to a fat finger. In the long run, he's more likely to lose his winnings than to increase them because the excepted value remains negative.

[eightdots]

Marketing is the best way to get people to get there. They have to do this because that's how they access the money resources. But they need to think long term. If players are comfortable with the current site they are dealing with in terms of this RTP and other similar aspects, if they see it, they'll definitely stay.

[Reatim]

Do the RTP only works in third party provider games? I see some in-house slots game do they also have RTP? I think you can only verify the bet but they don't have RTP like the common casino games we get used to, or am I wrong?

Most of the members in the forum believe that a mix of both would be good. But not sure if the gambler would have time to go through all the terms and conditions or they like to go through what they have thought about the bet.

The easy way? only connect with the gambling site that has no strict in verification and participation , because if you wanted an easy step then find where you can get those because we have tons of gambling sites available now and each of them has a Unique way of providing RTP pr their promotions  so just choose between .

Marketing is the best way to get people to get there. They have to do this because that's how they access the money resources. But they need to think long term. If players are comfortable with the current site they are dealing with in terms of this RTP and other similar aspects, if they see it, they'll definitely stay.

and that is depend on what gamblers want and what Gambling sites can offer , so in the end this is not really debatable instead its a matter of choice .

[naim027]

Marketing is the best way to get people to get there. They have to do this because that's how they access the money resources. But they need to think long term. If players are comfortable with the current site they are dealing with in terms of this RTP and other similar aspects, if they see it, they'll definitely stay.

Well, The question was if you like promotions over better RTP. I know that promotion is the best way to get people there. But, To make players stay there, Casinos have to improve the overall experience. I agree with you that they need to think long-term. Take 1xBit scammers, for example, and They get a lot of players from promotion only. But, I don't think players like to play there since they are known as scam casinos. They don't block player accounts as long as they lose their money. But, When a player starts winning, They block the user's account. So, Only promotions cannot make players stay on the platform.

[Theones]

Marketing is the best way to get people to get there. They have to do this because that's how they access the money resources. But they need to think long term. If players are comfortable with the current site they are dealing with in terms of this RTP and other similar aspects, if they see it, they'll definitely stay.

Well, The question was if you like promotions over better RTP. I know that promotion is the best way to get people there. But, To make players stay there, Casinos have to improve the overall experience. I agree with you that they need to think long-term. Take 1xBit scammers, for example, and They get a lot of players from promotion only. But, I don't think players like to play there since they are known as scam casinos. They don't block player accounts as long as they lose their money. But, When a player starts winning, They block the user's account. So, Only promotions cannot make players stay on the platform.

With the passage of time - as there are more and more casinos there is a lot of confusion what people should do and what not. I don't see the saturation in market in a very way. It either promotes or it kills the business. I think be it promotion or RTP both have their target audiences.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I agree 100% with the statement, generally the conglomerate shows that the majority are looking for monetary benefit, it is something normal, it is something that must be accepted and that usually most people are looking for, I also think that those who are looking for fun is only a very small, but they really don't mind losing, they are usually people who have a lot of money, in the world there are many people with a lot of money who sometimes don't know what to spend it on, that is why casinos are the best option for them, although we can be hooked by a good promotion with a high probability of winning, those who only seek to benefit for money reasons, it is very likely that they will end up losing everything if they do not have good risk management, even though they have a High RTP.

There goes the gamblers that are for fun and it's truth but you are right, they could not be a lot of it and if they just do it for fun, they don't mind the losses.

They've got budget of it just like how the usual gambler does. They place in money and the amount that they can afford to lose because they've got a lot of money and resources to have some fun.

Yes, they can only afford to lose only what they have destined or understood to lose, sometimes it is not only that they do not have the capacity, but that players always look for the best options in games and different casinos, I know a friend who likes to play in many casinos and he has money to afford to play every day, in reality the father is the one with the money, and he has always been the spoiled one, the father prefers to keep him well concentrated even if he is playing online in casinos, that the son to go to other places where he has other types of dangers, that sounds somewhat controlling on the part of the father and with excess protection, but he is a person who frequents many casinos and loves slots.

[traderethereum]

With the passage of time - as there are more and more casinos there is a lot of confusion what people should do and what not. I don't see the saturation in market in a very way. It either promotes or it kills the business. I think be it promotion or RTP both have their target audiences.

Yes, that's correct. Promotions and RTP will have their own fans so both types will work and will provide benefits for gamblers.
The gamblers themselves will also definitely choose which one they want and some gamblers will choose both.
But I think the level of saturation that could occur in the market is only temporary because if the casinos see the situation, they will look for other solutions so that they can attract more gamblers.
Every casino will also definitely try to grow its business by giving more profits to gamblers.

[ufaiz50]

While it is equally important to attract players and make them stay, for the business to thrive, it would be more ideal for me to have a good RTP above all. With this, they would be after building a strong bond that could lead to customer loyalty. And for that to happen, they would listen and work it out to serve what is being voiced out by their customers.