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Magsayo - 15 (93.8%)
Vargas - 1 (6.3%)
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Author Topic: [Boxing] Mark Magsayo vs Rey Vargas WBC Featherweight Title (July 9)  (Read 2944 times)
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June 25, 2022, 11:05:26 PM
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The odds is in favor to Magasayo as of the moment though this will be a real challenge for him since Magsayo is shorter than Vargas and his opponent has a longer reach which can be a disadvantage for Magsayo. The exciting Match will happen in less than two weeks, I wish both boxer to become more healthy so we can see a good fight between this two. They both have pros and cons, and those who have the determination to win will surely get the title. Magsayo is also my choice here, there’s a lot more that he can show to us and for sure Magsayo will do something crazy to beat Vargas.

Being at a disadvantage in height and reach is already a typical thing to see for a PH Boxer. We are not even looking at it now as a disadvantage, thanks to the PH Boxers that erased the speculations that being much shorter in height and reach is a hindrance.

Besides, even with an advantage of height and reach, if that boxer doesn't utilize it in his match, it's all useless. Might be a good factor if a boxer does have physical traits like that but nothing beats a good strategy. Magsayo's speed and power punch can make that disadvantage turned into his advantage.

Confidence is good but too much of it is devastating.  I hope Magsayo won't get overconfident in this fight.

Being overconfident is good for me as long as the boxer follows properly the strategy that they worked hard for and does not treat the fight as an easy match.
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June 25, 2022, 11:29:31 PM
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Being overconfident is good for me as long as the boxer follows properly the strategy that they worked hard for and does not treat the fight as an easy match.

I do hope its fruit is positive, I agree that it can give a boxer a boost in their performance but often times boxer who shows overconfidence often messed up causing costly mistakes.  I am not a pessimist here just talking about the worst possible scenario of being overconfident, especially in a boxing match.  And looking at Magsayo's opponent, I believe Vargas has the ability to take advantage of an opponent's mistake.

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June 25, 2022, 11:37:13 PM
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Being overconfident is good for me as long as the boxer follows properly the strategy that they worked hard for and does not treat the fight as an easy match.

I do hope its fruit is positive, I agree that it can give a boxer a boost in their performance but often times boxer who shows overconfidence often messed up causing costly mistakes.  I am not a pessimist here just talking about the worst possible scenario of being overconfident, especially in a boxing match.  And looking at Magsayo's opponent, I believe Vargas has the ability to take advantage of an opponent's mistake.


But no crypto sportsbook has listed this fight yet? It is like about couple of weeks and no bookie yet listing for the odds. Magsayo may be the slight favorite here. But yes, he should not be very confident as Vargas seemed to be a good boxer on his own.
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June 25, 2022, 11:46:16 PM
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Why everyone is pointing out or now concerned about Magsayo being confident or not lol. Of course, it's good to be confident but not to the point that Magsayo will consider his opponent as a small fry. Can someone tell me when is the time Magsayo becomes like that? He knows himself more than us and we can't speak about him being confident or not. He knows what he doing and just trusts the process.

But no crypto sportsbook has listed this fight yet? It is like about couple of weeks and no bookie yet listing for the odds. Magsayo may be the slight favorite here. But yes, he should not be very confident as Vargas seemed to be a good boxer on his own.

As usual, like in every title fight involving a Pinoy boxer, crypto-sportsbook just lists the fight around 1-2 days before the fight. If it's much early, then that was surprising. The only fight they are listing early involving a Pinoy boxer is during the time Manny Pacquiao is still active in boxing.

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June 25, 2022, 11:56:37 PM
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But no crypto sportsbook has listed this fight yet? It is like about couple of weeks and no bookie yet listing for the odds. Magsayo may be the slight favorite here. But yes, he should not be very confident as Vargas seemed to be a good boxer on his own.

I don't know the reason but even before, even how big the fight is, sometimes it's just a day before the fight when crypto bookies are listing this fight.

In Magsayo vs Gary Russel Jr. title match, the fight was listed 2 days before the fight.
In Inoue vs Donaire II just several weeks ago, the same happened, 1 day before the fight before it was listed.

So come back 1 day before this fight and I'm sure it will now be listed.
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June 26, 2022, 06:07:13 AM
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But no crypto sportsbook has listed this fight yet? It is like about couple of weeks and no bookie yet listing for the odds. Magsayo may be the slight favorite here. But yes, he should not be very confident as Vargas seemed to be a good boxer on his own.

I don't know the reason but even before, even how big the fight is, sometimes it's just a day before the fight when crypto bookies are listing this fight.

In Magsayo vs Gary Russel Jr. title match, the fight was listed 2 days before the fight.
In Inoue vs Donaire II just several weeks ago, the same happened, 1 day before the fight before it was listed.

So come back 1 day before this fight and I'm sure it will now be listed.

Because Gary Russell is a popular boxer in the US being an American citizen while for sure many people are now following the career of Inoue, that may be the reason why sports bookies have listed their fight odds very early.

This Magsayo vs Vargas title fight will be listed, that's for sure but it will be one day before the fight so yeah, if we are going to bet on this fight. come tp the bookies one day before fight night.

BTW, Magsayo has landed already in San Antonio the other day so he will have some time to acclimatize with the weather there.
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June 26, 2022, 01:01:07 PM
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But no crypto sportsbook has listed this fight yet? It is like about couple of weeks and no bookie yet listing for the odds. Magsayo may be the slight favorite here. But yes, he should not be very confident as Vargas seemed to be a good boxer on his own.

I don't know the reason but even before, even how big the fight is, sometimes it's just a day before the fight when crypto bookies are listing this fight.

In Magsayo vs Gary Russel Jr. title match, the fight was listed 2 days before the fight.
In Inoue vs Donaire II just several weeks ago, the same happened, 1 day before the fight before it was listed.

So come back 1 day before this fight and I'm sure it will now be listed.

Because Gary Russell is a popular boxer in the US being an American citizen while for sure many people are now following the career of Inoue, that may be the reason why sports bookies have listed their fight odds very early.

This Magsayo vs Vargas title fight will be listed, that's for sure but it will be one day before the fight so yeah, if we are going to bet on this fight. come tp the bookies one day before fight night.

BTW, Magsayo has landed already in San Antonio the other day so he will have some time to acclimatize with the weather there.

That's true, as much as we follow Mark Magsayo, I think we all agree that he needs to have a break out win to be able to break into the US scene. The win against Russell would have been good, but some analyst are not fully convince because Russell admitted before and after the fight that he is suffering from injury.

Nevertheless, this might be the one, specially if he wins in an emphatic fashion against a tough Mexican Warrior in Vargas. And for sure winning by a knock out will put him in notice for fans, analyst and even networks.

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June 26, 2022, 07:23:10 PM
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Confidence is good but too much of it is devastating.  I hope Magsayo won't get overconfident in this fight.

Being overconfident is good for me as long as the boxer follows properly the strategy that they worked hard for and does not treat the fight as an easy match.
That's right, because sometimes being overconfident will actually make him self-destructive because if you are too confident, it will make your opponent able to find a gap there.
Now he's quite the underdog but on the other hand that's not a guarantee either because when the fight is done. It's just about whose punch is the best and what strategy he takes is what wins.

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June 26, 2022, 09:02:12 PM
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Confidence is good but too much of it is devastating.  I hope Magsayo won't get overconfident in this fight.

Being overconfident is good for me as long as the boxer follows properly the strategy that they worked hard for and does not treat the fight as an easy match.
That's right, because sometimes being overconfident will actually make him self-destructive because if you are too confident, it will make your opponent able to find a gap there.
Now he's quite the underdog but on the other hand that's not a guarantee either because when the fight is done. It's just about whose punch is the best and what strategy he takes is what wins.
Magsayo will surely mentally prepared for this since as a boxer, you also need to train yourself with regards to this one or else you’ll suffer mental block during the match. Boxer always have their own confidence especially if you are the defending champion, so with this Magsayo is defending the belt and I’m sure he is more confident for this match and he is really working hard for this.
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Nevertheless, this might be the one, specially if he wins in an emphatic fashion against a tough Mexican Warrior in Vargas. And for sure winning by a knock out will put him in notice for fans, analyst and even networks.

A clean Knockout win or a full dominance in every round By Magsayo - should make people convinced that he won the fight clearly.

There's really not convinced at how Magsayo won against Russell but for me, it's not that he will be expected to dominate easily the fight just because the latter is handicapped and dealing with a shoulder injury. Russell, despite his injury, is still performing well and gives Magsayo a hard road to win.

Moving forward, let's just wait and see if Magsayo will show a championship instinct in this fight. After all, this is only his first title defense since he snatches the title from Russell. Let's give him a break and just judge him after this fight.

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June 27, 2022, 04:25:49 AM
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Nevertheless, this might be the one, specially if he wins in an emphatic fashion against a tough Mexican Warrior in Vargas. And for sure winning by a knock out will put him in notice for fans, analyst and even networks.

A clean Knockout win or a full dominance in every round By Magsayo - should make people convinced that he won the fight clearly.

There's really not convinced at how Magsayo won against Russell but for me, it's not that he will be expected to dominate easily the fight just because the latter is handicapped and dealing with a shoulder injury. Russell, despite his injury, is still performing well and gives Magsayo a hard road to win.

Moving forward, let's just wait and see if Magsayo will show a championship instinct in this fight. After all, this is only his first title defense since he snatches the title from Russell. Let's give him a break and just judge him after this fight.

We can always used that argument against Magsayo, his performance against Russell or against Julio Ceja wherein his power save him from that fight. So it's a win for him regardless, I guess you can put the blame of Russell, if he is injured before the fight then maybe he shouldn't go in the first place. But if Magsayo wins here perhaps a rematch with Russell? Anyway, the fight is just two weeks from now, we shall see how built Magsayo is for his fight.

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June 27, 2022, 05:57:07 AM
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Nevertheless, this might be the one, specially if he wins in an emphatic fashion against a tough Mexican Warrior in Vargas. And for sure winning by a knock out will put him in notice for fans, analyst and even networks.

A clean Knockout win or a full dominance in every round By Magsayo - should make people convinced that he won the fight clearly.

There's really not convinced at how Magsayo won against Russell but for me, it's not that he will be expected to dominate easily the fight just because the latter is handicapped and dealing with a shoulder injury. Russell, despite his injury, is still performing well and gives Magsayo a hard road to win.

Moving forward, let's just wait and see if Magsayo will show a championship instinct in this fight. After all, this is only his first title defense since he snatches the title from Russell. Let's give him a break and just judge him after this fight.

We can always used that argument against Magsayo, his performance against Russell or against Julio Ceja wherein his power save him from that fight. So it's a win for him regardless, I guess you can put the blame of Russell, if he is injured before the fight then maybe he shouldn't go in the first place. But if Magsayo wins here perhaps a rematch with Russell? Anyway, the fight is just two weeks from now, we shall see how built Magsayo is for his fight.

He can give Russell a rematch so no more doubts about his win, and yes, the fight is coming and hopefully Magsayo will win impressively. Power is not only the key here, Magsayo has the power but lack of skills in boxing, he should know how to score even if he could not KO his opponent as it's very important against a technical fighter.
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That's right, because sometimes being overconfident will actually make him self-destructive because if you are too confident, it will make your opponent able to find a gap there.
Now he's quite the underdog but on the other hand that's not a guarantee either because when the fight is done. It's just about whose punch is the best and what strategy he takes is what wins.
Magsayo will surely mentally prepared for this since as a boxer, you also need to train yourself with regards to this one or else you’ll suffer mental block during the match. Boxer always have their own confidence especially if you are the defending champion, so with this Magsayo is defending the belt and I’m sure he is more confident for this match and he is really working hard for this.
In terms of strength, I really believe in Magsayo and indeed everyone must be confident so that there can be no burden in fighting, but on the other hand, as before, you can be confident but not too confident.
I am also in Magsayo's side for now but that doesn't mean we have to underestimate Vargas in this case because we all know that Vargas' power is also quite difficult to beat.

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June 27, 2022, 08:41:55 AM
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That's right, because sometimes being overconfident will actually make him self-destructive because if you are too confident, it will make your opponent able to find a gap there.
Now he's quite the underdog but on the other hand that's not a guarantee either because when the fight is done. It's just about whose punch is the best and what strategy he takes is what wins.
Magsayo will surely mentally prepared for this since as a boxer, you also need to train yourself with regards to this one or else you’ll suffer mental block during the match. Boxer always have their own confidence especially if you are the defending champion, so with this Magsayo is defending the belt and I’m sure he is more confident for this match and he is really working hard for this.
In terms of strength, I really believe in Magsayo and indeed everyone must be confident so that there can be no burden in fighting, but on the other hand, as before, you can be confident but not too confident.
I am also in Magsayo's side for now but that doesn't mean we have to underestimate Vargas in this case because we all know that Vargas' power is also quite difficult to beat.
Nah, he cannot do that, instead, he needs to see Vargas as a tough opponent so he will train harder. The chance that this fight will end in a KO by Magsayo is huge, but he has to improve his movement so he will not gassed out, his head movement and quickness has to be present as he cannot frustrate himself if he cannot hit Vargas with a clean shots, that's why patience is a must.

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June 27, 2022, 11:52:04 AM
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That's right, because sometimes being overconfident will actually make him self-destructive because if you are too confident, it will make your opponent able to find a gap there.
Now he's quite the underdog but on the other hand that's not a guarantee either because when the fight is done. It's just about whose punch is the best and what strategy he takes is what wins.
Magsayo will surely mentally prepared for this since as a boxer, you also need to train yourself with regards to this one or else you’ll suffer mental block during the match. Boxer always have their own confidence especially if you are the defending champion, so with this Magsayo is defending the belt and I’m sure he is more confident for this match and he is really working hard for this.
In terms of strength, I really believe in Magsayo and indeed everyone must be confident so that there can be no burden in fighting, but on the other hand, as before, you can be confident but not too confident.
I am also in Magsayo's side for now but that doesn't mean we have to underestimate Vargas in this case because we all know that Vargas' power is also quite difficult to beat.
Nah, he cannot do that, instead, he needs to see Vargas as a tough opponent so he will train harder. The chance that this fight will end in a KO by Magsayo is huge, but he has to improve his movement so he will not gassed out, his head movement and quickness has to be present as he cannot frustrate himself if he cannot hit Vargas with a clean shots, that's why patience is a must.
I'm sure he is training very hard, Filipino fighters are very much motivated as they know it will change their life if they will continue to be a champion. It's only the early success of Magsayo, he is still young so he can still aim higher for another division, but he has to win this fight first and should be impressively done.

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June 27, 2022, 11:59:51 AM
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Nevertheless, this might be the one, specially if he wins in an emphatic fashion against a tough Mexican Warrior in Vargas. And for sure winning by a knock out will put him in notice for fans, analyst and even networks.

A clean Knockout win or a full dominance in every round By Magsayo - should make people convinced that he won the fight clearly.

There's really not convinced at how Magsayo won against Russell but for me, it's not that he will be expected to dominate easily the fight just because the latter is handicapped and dealing with a shoulder injury. Russell, despite his injury, is still performing well and gives Magsayo a hard road to win.

Moving forward, let's just wait and see if Magsayo will show a championship instinct in this fight. After all, this is only his first title defense since he snatches the title from Russell. Let's give him a break and just judge him after this fight.

We can always used that argument against Magsayo, his performance against Russell or against Julio Ceja wherein his power save him from that fight. So it's a win for him regardless, I guess you can put the blame of Russell, if he is injured before the fight then maybe he shouldn't go in the first place. But if Magsayo wins here perhaps a rematch with Russell? Anyway, the fight is just two weeks from now, we shall see how built Magsayo is for his fight.

He can give Russell a rematch so no more doubts about his win, and yes, the fight is coming and hopefully Magsayo will win impressively. Power is not only the key here, Magsayo has the power but lack of skills in boxing, he should know how to score even if he could not KO his opponent as it's very important against a technical fighter.

I think we might see a vastly 'improved' Magsayo here, he knows the noise on his win against Russell Jr. And Roach will have to put up a better plan against Vargas. And maybe they already had it to the tee before this fight. And there could be some adjustments along the way. Just like how he guided Manny to become learn how to used his right as a jab, perhaps Roach will developed Mark into a complete fighter and this fight will be the first time that we will see a different Mark Magsayo, not just pure and raw power, but there could be a lot of head movements and angles.

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June 27, 2022, 12:30:55 PM
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Being overconfident is good for me as long as the boxer follows properly the strategy that they worked hard for and does not treat the fight as an easy match.

I do hope its fruit is positive, I agree that it can give a boxer a boost in their performance but often times boxer who shows overconfidence often messed up causing costly mistakes.  I am not a pessimist here just talking about the worst possible scenario of being overconfident, especially in a boxing match.  And looking at Magsayo's opponent, I believe Vargas has the ability to take advantage of an opponent's mistake.


But no crypto sportsbook has listed this fight yet? It is like about couple of weeks and no bookie yet listing for the odds. Magsayo may be the slight favorite here. But yes, he should not be very confident as Vargas seemed to be a good boxer on his own.

maybe it's because bookmakers need to be sure that the fight will happen and for that reason they only list fights 1 day or 2 days before the fights happen, In my opinion bookmakers should list at least 2 weeks before the fights. fights so we can see how the odds would be and how they would vary, this gives a better perspective of who can win the fight, of course, even without odds people already have an idea of who can win the fight, anyway it will be a very interesting fight

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June 27, 2022, 12:39:40 PM
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I think we might see a vastly 'improved' Magsayo here, he knows the noise on his win against Russell Jr. And Roach will have to put up a better plan against Vargas. And maybe they already had it to the tee before this fight. And there could be some adjustments along the way. Just like how he guided Manny to become learn how to used his right as a jab, perhaps Roach will developed Mark into a complete fighter and this fight will be the first time that we will see a different Mark Magsayo, not just pure and raw power, but there could be a lot of head movements and angles.

I am hoping to see that as he was really criticized for not beating Russell easily despite the champion literally fighting with one hand only. He needs to silence the critics by beating Vargas which is healthy and a good challenger for him. I'm excited for this fight guys as you are, so let's hope that our champion will be able to defend his title in this fight.

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June 27, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
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I am hoping to see that as he was really criticized for not beating Russell easily despite the champion literally fighting with one hand only. He needs to silence the critics by beating Vargas which is healthy and a good challenger for him. I'm excited for this fight guys as you are, so let's hope that our champion will be able to defend his title in this fight.

The dude is obviously improving and hopes he won't be pressured in this upcoming fight so far he used his experience fighting in the US very well and he is gaining some more popular than before. nevertheless, he is expected to show some more moves and skills in this fight and more fans are calling for a knockout score to further stretch his confidence to fight more strong boxers in their weight division. Heavy punchers are popular in that division and to be one of them is a huge success and a chance to become one of the legends in boxing history.

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June 27, 2022, 11:02:57 PM
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maybe it's because bookmakers need to be sure that the fight will happen and for that reason they only list fights 1 day or 2 days before the fights happen, In my opinion bookmakers should list at least 2 weeks before the fights. fights so we can see how the odds would be and how they would vary, this gives a better perspective of who can win the fight, of course, even without odds people already have an idea of who can win the fight, anyway it will be a very interesting fight

Bookies can just easily cancel and suspend the bet if a certain match won't continue due to certain reasons.

A refund will surely follow and that should be a common approach from the bookies. Bookies gave odds reference at least a month or a few several weeks before the fight but that was on fiat bookies. From there, crypto-bettors can picture out what are the expected odds they can get once it will now be listed on the crypto-sportsbook.

Since then, it's really usual to see bookies just listing any Filipino-involved fight 1-2 days before the fight, as others even mentioned, on the crypto-sportsbook.

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