Horse Racing and Gambling on it should be banned

[Peanutswar]

I would be interested to know how betting on animals helps people? As food, everything is clear to me, but as a subject of bets - no. Would you care to enlighten me on this matter?

Maybe the user means is by the general.

Since horse betting is a large industry, it helps people on the economic side. It produces jobs and money to support people. If it will be totally banned, it's a big loss in the employment rate.

We should not overreact to animal cruelty because legit horse racing is regulated by the government. If they will do an improper act, they will face the consequences of the law. Horse racing is not what others think as easy as simply running horses. There are guidelines and terms about the proper way of treating horses here before placing them on the race track.

If the horse race game is legal into a country I guess we don't need to worry about but still if there's some not good thing happen to them like into the cruelty I guess this is the time they need to take some actions even though it's legal still it's part of them to have a life. Also we know the industry already of the horse race is since the ancient period of time,, and this is the use as a mode of transportation because of its capability and strengths.

[JohnBitCo]

I would be interested to know how betting on animals helps people? As food, everything is clear to me, but as a subject of bets - no. Would you care to enlighten me on this matter?

Maybe the user means is by the general.

Since horse betting is a large industry, it helps people on the economic side. It produces jobs and money to support people. If it will be totally banned, it's a big loss in the employment rate.

We should not overreact to animal cruelty because legit horse racing is regulated by the government. If they will do an improper act, they will face the consequences of the law. Horse racing is not what others think as easy as simply running horses. There are guidelines and terms about the proper way of treating horses here before placing them on the race track.

If the horse race game is legal into a country I guess we don't need to worry about but still if there's some not good thing happen to them like into the cruelty I guess this is the time they need to take some actions even though it's legal still it's part of them to have a life. Also we know the industry already of the horse race is since the ancient period of time,, and this is the use as a mode of transportation because of its capability and strengths.

If i remember correctly, horse racing is popular in most parts of the world. You would find competitions of horse racing in US, UK, Australia and hong kong. If the sports are not being declared illegal, I wonder why would anyone want to ban gambling on these sports (horse racing) ?
Does not make sense to me.

[Wexnident]

We should not overreact to animal cruelty because legit horse racing is regulated by the government. If they will do an improper act, they will face the consequences of the law. Horse racing is not what others think as easy as simply running horses. There are guidelines and terms about the proper way of treating horses here before placing them on the race track.

^This. Horse racing is an industry that's been in place for SO long. Do you think its morality and ethics haven't been questioned in that period of time? It's probably been asked a lot really, and the government has probably done a LOT to actually address it imo. Ofc the core of this should always be to take care of horses as much as sports teams take care of their players. It's really just a matter of trying to improve the quality that horses are able to experience so that they can race to their fullest (naturally, that is).

Having it virtually will have the idea of no more stressing the horses and I've seen those virtual ones and even I've played with it. This is much better than those using real horses.

As you said, that would raise questions about it being rigged. Horse racing is a battle of numbers after all, and I think virtual horse racing would simplify trying to identify those numbers (which would probably make it easier to predict winners).

[xSkylarx]

Horse racing is a gambling in which on the process for very long time , and those horse for the owner and for the gambler has its Sole Purpose and that is to serve as entertainment and also for gambling.
so whatever we are concern about the horse? this will not affect them because it is the tax that they are paying for the government is what matters here.

That's right, horse racing is one of the gambling games that tax the country with quite a large amount. In many countries, horse racing is the bet of the rich, and even many of the most respected influential people bet on horse racing. the percentage of horses that die during horse racing is very small, so horse racing does not have to be banned.

Not only horse racing, but most gambling games are among the top tax payers, which is why the government enjoys gambling because of the money it brings in. here in our country, our president banned E-sabong (online cockfighting), which led to a lot of people losing their jobs and also the biggest problem is the tax if they could find a substitute for it. On the other hand, I do agree that in a few cases, horses die, which is why they didn't ban it.

[goldkingcoiner]

I was spending some time with my friends parents and there was not only a huge party but all of them placed p2p bets on the horse racing. They asked me to come over as well, the ending was deeply sad and essential to cover : The horse died after winning of a heart attack.

The horse was presenting signs of heart attack on the camera but no one was actually even giving it a second thought and at the end when it was the last lap, all the horses got whipped excessively hard as well. That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

That does indeed sound overly cruel to the horse but then again if we look at ourselves as humans and see what horrors we are commiting against other living creatures then its nothing out of the ordinary.

If an alien race saw us doing the things that we do to animals, especially animals that we kill to eat then that alien race would probably stay as far as possible away from the human race.

Its still a tragedy though. Horse racing is definitely one of the many horrors we commit on other life.

[el kaka22]

I agree that racing horses is cruel to them there is no doubt about that. However, figuring out a way to stop that is the key point here.

If you just make it illegal, there will be some loss of votes for the politician that made it illegal, if you are ahead in the polls by a huge margin and there is no worry then you may end up doing it, but it wouldn't be really easy to pull off if it is close. Like for example Kentucky senator can't really propose such a thing, but I am sure New York wouldn't be a problem. All in all it's bad, but just like everything in the world, it comes down to politicians and what benefits them the most and how they could get votes.

[Dunamisx]

 

more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

I believe natural death do occur on every animals at a particular time frame which is tied to the life cycle and humans were not left behind on this as well, a horse naturally is well known for deriving pleasure specifically while running than anything, engaging horses on sport race shouldn't be a discouragement because they were not forced into the running but its what they derive pleasure doing.

I will like emphasize on the care and maintenance for those horses as animals cant talk but have developed a good sense of humor by making some particular signs and sounds whenever they wanted to pass an information across, the role of the vet and animals psychologist could be added advantage when their professionalism is adequately provided to racing organizations for the welfare and wellbeing of horses, there are times the animals as well develop weakness whenever they are unfit for an exercise, this as well indicate their own right against indiscriminately abuse  of using them.

[Peanutswar]

I agree that racing horses is cruel to them there is no doubt about that. However, figuring out a way to stop that is the key point here.

If you just make it illegal, there will be some loss of votes for the politician that made it illegal, if you are ahead in the polls by a huge margin and there is no worry then you may end up doing it, but it wouldn't be really easy to pull off if it is close. Like for example Kentucky senator can't really propose such a thing, but I am sure New York wouldn't be a problem. All in all it's bad, but just like everything in the world, it comes down to politicians and what benefits them the most and how they could get votes.

We know guys that if there's money involve within this kind of activity or transaction of course large known people under with this event don't want to let this go it's all about their source of earnings but still it depends on the government approval with this kind of game, quite hard to make a decision because we know the different perspective but in my side I'm against too with the horse race game.

[virasog]

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

That's very sad to hear. There should be a proper body that should make rules and regulations for horse racing and also the horses which are fed drugs should be banned from the play. We need to either make horse racing a better sport or make it prohibited everywhere. Gambling has nothing to do with all this stuff.
If there are horse racing matches, the gamblers will keep betting on them and there is no issue with this.

[michellee]

But when they are used as bets, they also help people. After all, if people do this, it means they have such a need. I understand that somewhere there is a border where the treatment of animals becomes cruel and unacceptable, but to be honest, I don’t know where it is and at what point we should put the interests of animals above the interests of man.

Animals help people to be able to win bets in the form of money. But we can use other ways to bet and not use animals and we already know. People need to get money but don't have to use animals to bet if possible.

I am not an animal lover but I am sad if I see animals treated arbitrarily. But we have our own opinions about using animals as betting and hopefully, you understand what I mean.

That's very sad to hear. There should be a proper body that should make rules and regulations for horse racing and also the horses which are fed drugs should be banned from the play. We need to either make horse racing a better sport or make it prohibited everywhere. Gambling has nothing to do with all this stuff.
If there are horse racing matches, the gamblers will keep betting on them and there is no issue with this.

Maybe the government could ban gambling using animals or if they still want to use animals as a tool for betting, the government needs to make strict rules on animal control before entering the race. That is because some people will still use drugs on the animals so they can win the race. Some like to bet using animals and some don't and this will have its pros and cons.

[ultrloa]

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

That's very sad to hear. There should be a proper body that should make rules and regulations for horse racing and also the horses which are fed drugs should be banned from the play. We need to either make horse racing a better sport or make it prohibited everywhere. Gambling has nothing to do with all this stuff.
If there are horse racing matches, the gamblers will keep betting on them and there is no issue with this.

Unfortunately this one is already a huge industry which bring to the government a huge taxes so I don't think they regulate this old sports what other say about it. Maybe for now no people can do anything about those unfortunate incident towards the horse in stable. But hopefully there are politicians who have political will to stop animal cruelty and save them up toward this violence to them.

[Mariah20]

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

That's very sad to hear. There should be a proper body that should make rules and regulations for horse racing and also the horses which are fed drugs should be banned from the play. We need to either make horse racing a better sport or make it prohibited everywhere. Gambling has nothing to do with all this stuff.
If there are horse racing matches, the gamblers will keep betting on them and there is no issue with this.

Unfortunately this one is already a huge industry which bring to the government a huge taxes so I don't think they regulate this old sports what other say about it. Maybe for now no people can do anything about those unfortunate incident towards the horse in stable. But hopefully there are politicians who have political will to stop animal cruelty and save them up toward this violence to them.

The government get the taxes from horse racing sports and not from gambling. So it is possible that  there is a ban on horse racing betting?

Perhaps when there is no betting involved in horse racing, the sport may lose the popularity to some extent ?

[qwertyup23]

Even humans do have heart attack. Horses are not giving medical care like humans.

You want horse race to be banned? Then you should want human 100 meter, others short distance and marathon races to be banned too.

If you want it to be banned, I mean hourse race, you want many other races to be banned, such as dog race. If you want that, you need to have political power. Even if you have political power, there are many chances that your proposal may not be accepted.

I think instead of wishing it to be banned, strict regulations must be followed by the organization handling the horse races.

Given that horses are animals and their natural strength has been used as a form of gambling, then it requires that governments must impose strict standards against these organizations for the welfare and care for these horses. But the fact that this kind of gambling has been around since time immemorial suggest that this will not be banned anytime soon.

Unless you can actually prove that these organizations mishandle the treatment of these horses, then I doubt that this would be removed as a form of gambling.

[Smartprofit]

I was spending some time with my friends parents and there was not only a huge party but all of them placed p2p bets on the horse racing. They asked me to come over as well, the ending was deeply sad and essential to cover : The horse died after winning of a heart attack.

The horse was presenting signs of heart attack on the camera but no one was actually even giving it a second thought and at the end when it was the last lap, all the horses got whipped excessively hard as well. That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

Perhaps it makes sense to ban horse racing.  I feel very sorry for the horses. 

Unlike athletes - people, they cannot receive benefits in the form of monetary incentives.  Nobody asks horses if they want to compete or not.  In fact, they are being exploited by force.  In fact, there is animal cruelty.  It's not fair. 

Perhaps horse racing should be banned for humanitarian reasons.  In the future, races involving robots - centaurs or virtual horses - may become popular. 

Living beings will not take part in such competitions.

[sunsilk]

I don't think it should be banned, it should be virtualized.

I have seen in the past virtual horse races where you can bet. And this way no horse gets damaged or abused in this sport. I'm not sure if someone offers this game now. But it could be a nice project for big casinos like Roobet or Stake.

I like that idea.

Having it virtually will have the idea of no more stressing the horses and I've seen those virtual ones and even I've played with it. This is much better than those using real horses.

But there are the bettors that would think that this can be rigged since it's virtual but that's part of it, a very common thought.

the actual experience in horse betting is still different from the real one. and when you are in a horse racing stadium, you would definitely know the reason why. sometimes, it serves as meeting place of family members, friends, colleagues or business partners and enjoy the race. i don't think someone can be the reason to change this culture.
but if you are not up to outdoor race, virtual racing is indeed a good one to explore with, esp by casinos/bookies as we are limiting our interaction with other people during this pandemic era.

Well, it's an alternative and good solution for those that see the cruelty of betting on live horses.

It's true that the experience is different and you're going to see that the actual horse racing is more exciting than it. But you don't want to see that side that we're all agreeing that we don't like.

[dothebeats]

I was spending some time with my friends parents and there was not only a huge party but all of them placed p2p bets on the horse racing. They asked me to come over as well, the ending was deeply sad and essential to cover : The horse died after winning of a heart attack.

The horse was presenting signs of heart attack on the camera but no one was actually even giving it a second thought and at the end when it was the last lap, all the horses got whipped excessively hard as well. That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

Perhaps it makes sense to ban horse racing.  I feel very sorry for the horses. 

Unlike athletes - people, they cannot receive benefits in the form of monetary incentives.  Nobody asks horses if they want to compete or not.  In fact, they are being exploited by force.  In fact, there is animal cruelty.  It's not fair. 

Exactly. If horses have free will and intelligence enough to avoid becoming a pawn for entertainment, they'd do it in a heartbeat. No incentives for racing horses after they won the game. Perhaps a few days/weeks of rest in their stables and then it's race time/practice time again. Oftentimes this is not even the case. If the horse wins the race, shortly after they will train it again to 'harden' the poor animal. It's cruel, and people who organize and enjoy this race should realize it.

[bitzizzix]

I think most horse racing people love and care for their horses so well that they are cared for at all times.
If they are sick or injured, they get immediate medical attention and they are well fed and they are cared for like family.
and before the race is also checked as a whole including health by a special team of the horse racing committee and also the horse team, if the horse has a problem then it is not included in the race or replaces another horse, because it will endanger the jockey if the horse is not good.
Horses will be good if in the hands of people who are good and right and also love their horses, and vice versa.

[acroman08]

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I don't think horse racing will ever be banned(maybe until the market for it dwindles or something), they've had a lot of chance of banning it but instead, they put stricter regulations on how the horses are treated.

Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought.

I remember reading somewhere that the reason they just kill the injured horses instead of trying to rehabilitate them to its full health is that it is expensive and even if the horse has been recovered to it's full health there is no guarantee that it could perform like before.

[KTChampions]

But when they are used as bets, they also help people.

I would be interested to know how betting on animals helps people? As food, everything is clear to me, but as a subject of bets - no. Would you care to enlighten me on this matter?

If a person enjoys horse racing and betting on this event, then this is a sufficient condition for considering the provision of such entertainment as a benefit for people. Or do you think otherwise? Do you think that you are the judge and decide how people can have fun or not?

After all, if people do this, it means they have such a need.

Need what? Having fun betting on animals? Looking forward to victory and bet winnings? Is this what people need? I've never bet on animals (this doesn't make me a saint in any way), but I just don't understand the need a bit.

Yes, having fan. Yes, looking forward to victory and bet winnings. Yes this is what people needs - these are facts. This is reality. If you live in a fictional world where this whole industry exists because people are forced to bet on animal competitions, then it's time for you to tweak your worldview a bit and return to reality.

I understand that somewhere there is a border where the treatment of animals becomes cruel and unacceptable, but to be honest, I don’t know where it is and at what point we should put the interests of animals above the interests of man.

But for me it is difficult to define this border. Is it cruelty when a jockey makes horse run as hard as can? Is this very different from a horse on its own running fast somewhere in the wild being chased by predators?

Things are even worse for animals at meatpacking plants, but... tell me, are you a vegetarian? 

[milewilda]

I was spending some time with my friends parents and there was not only a huge party but all of them placed p2p bets on the horse racing. They asked me to come over as well, the ending was deeply sad and essential to cover : The horse died after winning of a heart attack.

The horse was presenting signs of heart attack on the camera but no one was actually even giving it a second thought and at the end when it was the last lap, all the horses got whipped excessively hard as well. That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

Perhaps it makes sense to ban horse racing.  I feel very sorry for the horses. 

Unlike athletes - people, they cannot receive benefits in the form of monetary incentives.  Nobody asks horses if they want to compete or not.  In fact, they are being exploited by force.  In fact, there is animal cruelty.  It's not fair. 

Exactly. If horses have free will and intelligence enough to avoid becoming a pawn for entertainment, they'd do it in a heartbeat. No incentives for racing horses after they won the game. Perhaps a few days/weeks of rest in their stables and then it's race time/practice time again. Oftentimes this is not even the case. If the horse wins the race, shortly after they will train it again to 'harden' the poor animal. It's cruel, and people who organize and enjoy this race should realize it.

As long money is involved or simply money talks then majority wont really be minding about those animal condition whether they do need some rest or some curing or something like that after a
race but instead they do really mind on how to make it even more better for the next race which is really indeed harsh.Is there something we can do about it? None.
Its their horses, therefore they do have the full rights on what they would gonna do into it.