Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically ..

[Sithara007]

Seems like a very acute case of projection. Flip "Ukraine" for "Russia" and it's about right. Russian forces have no backup plan, and their main "strategy" of sending waves of cannon fodder is failing miserably.

Somewhat agree with the cannon fodder part. Thousands (if not tens of thousands) of Russian soldiers have died (not including thousands of casualties from DNR/LNR militia and from PMC Wagner). And most of the deaths are from impoverished Russian provinces such as Buryatia, Tuva, Daghestan and Ossetia. I hardly heard about any military deaths from Moscow or Samara or Nizhny Novgorod. But then, they have also managed to seize a huge tract of territory in South and East Ukraine (in addition to what they seized in 2014).

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[galambo]

Somewhat agree with the cannon fodder part. Thousands (if not tens of thousands) of Russian soldiers have died (not including thousands of casualties from DNR/LNR militia and from PMC Wagner). And most of the deaths are from impoverished Russian provinces such as Buryatia, Tuva, Daghestan and Ossetia. I hardly heard about any military deaths from Moscow or Samara or Nizhny Novgorod. But then, they have also managed to seize a huge tract of territory in South and East Ukraine (in addition to what they seized in 2014).

Regardless of who is wining or losing in this war, its impact is felt by the whole world. The country where I am living now is at verge of economics collapse because of this war. I am not following this war but one thing is very clear that Russia is struck there and they need a safe exit, may be U.N can jump in to end this war.

[suchmoon]

But then, they have also managed to seize a huge tract of territory in South and East Ukraine (in addition to what they seized in 2014).

They got most of it in the first couple of weeks. They gave up a lot of territory in the north after taking it initially. It's been a stalemate at best for the last two months. Considering Russian losses and Ukrainian weapons supply, this is not looking good for Putin.

they need a safe exit, may be U.N can jump in to end this war.

UN won't do shit. Russians can exit any time. The sooner the better for everyone.

[niceli]

Who says they do not? I mean just because we are not seeing them attacking with every single weapon and every single soldier, doesn't mean that they are not attacking with all they have. The nuance there is the fact that they haveo ther places taht they need to put soldiers in other places. Which means that, not every single listed soldier could end up attacking Ukraine, some will be stationed somewhere else. Plus when you are attacking a nation, you can't just send all of your missiles all at once on day one. You need to spread them around in case it prolonges which it does. So basically Russia is attacking with the optimum amount they could, and this is basically all they could do.

[Hydrogen]

Russia is under sanctions and has many attacks on its financial sectors and economy.

To counteract these pressures, Putin is waging war on a budget.

--Conscripts rather than military professionals are deployed in ukraine due to their salaries being considerably smaller
--Tanks which cost around $1.2 million are deployed rather than jet fighters which cost $100 million
--Russian ground forces have no air support as maintenance, ordnance and upkeep of an air force is much more expensive than on tanks and surface vehicles

The only exception to russia's extreme cost savings measures are their alleged launching of hypersonic missiles which cost $100 million each.

The upside to deploying hypersonic missiles is their technology is new and the data which can be gathered through real world application to refine and perfect the technology is worth more than the missiles themselves.

[tardezyx]

It's been a stalemate at best for the last two months. Considering Russian losses and Ukrainian weapons supply, this is not looking good for Putin.

Ah, that's why the US are begging for an immediate ceasefire. This certainly has nothing to do with the Western military advisers who have now crawled out of Mariupol's steelworks, at all  

[suchmoon]

It's been a stalemate at best for the last two months. Considering Russian losses and Ukrainian weapons supply, this is not looking good for Putin.

Ah, that's why the US are begging for an immediate ceasefire. This certainly has nothing to do with the Western military advisers who have now crawled out of Mariupol's steelworks, at all  

Nothing in the link you provided supports your ludicrous claims. However a ceasefire would be great for everyone. Unfortunately the deluded clown in charge of Russia doesn't care about little things like people dying or the economy being flushed down the toilet.

The only exception to russia's extreme cost savings measures are their alleged launching of hypersonic missiles which cost $100 million each.

Kinzhal is an ALBM version of Iskander, it doesn't cost anywhere near $100 million.

[Sir Legend]

I'm sure when Russia's invasion of Ukraine took everything into account, and maybe this is as a test to Europe and the USA whether they will react, if the reaction is as normal as it is now then I'm sure Russia is considering its next target country.

[Sithara007]

But then, they have also managed to seize a huge tract of territory in South and East Ukraine (in addition to what they seized in 2014).

They got most of it in the first couple of weeks. They gave up a lot of territory in the north after taking it initially. It's been a stalemate at best for the last two months. Considering Russian losses and Ukrainian weapons supply, this is not looking good for Putin.

If you are talking about North-Central Kharkiv, then yes. Russian troops withdraw from most of this region and Ukrainians hold a numerical advantage there. In the coming days, Ukrainian forces may regain some of the cities such as Lyptsi and Hoptivka. But at the same time, the Russians seems to be determined to hold cities on the eastern side of the river, such as Kupiansk and Vovchansk. And they have been advancing around the direction of Izyum. Russians are concentrating on Donbass as of now, and other regions are not their priority. That may change, once they capture the Sievierodonetsk-Lysychansk agglomeration and probably the Kramatorsk-Slavyansk agglomeration.

[Sebas.tian]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

Russian want peace to rain between them and Ukraine because war don't use to bring good things than to destroy good things the two countries has planted in the land. I think, many countries has advised Russian president to embrace peace with Ukraine president to allow the strong relationship they had to each other to continue, so that the world will believe that peace has came to stay in their land. The two countries has experienced a lot of damages in their economy sectors for the few months the war was on ground which are the reasons Russian are not using full force on Ukraine because peace is about to restore back to their countries.

[Ucy]

*Russia is actually helping Ukraine to win the war against what some would call globalists. She is not attacking nor fighting against Ukraine.


In regards to the topic, ofcourse, Russia made a mistake with that withdrawal. It wasn't ordered by the ONE who sent her to the battle.

Plus Russia was slowed down due to innocent civilians/people. Satan realized this and took advantage of it by using people as human shield to make things more difficult for Russia. But that problem can easily be solved.

[laredo7mm]

*Russia is actually helping Ukraine to win the war against what some would call globalists. She is not attacking nor fighting against Ukraine.


In regards to the topic, ofcourse, Russia made a mistake with that withdrawal. It wasn't ordered by the ONE who sent her to the battle.

Plus Russia was slowed down due to innocent civilians/people. Satan realized this and took advantage of it by using people as human shield to make things more difficult for Russia. But that problem can easily be solved.

So you are saying Russian withdrawal was not commanded by Putin? I did not understand how Russia is helping Ukraine to win the war? Aren't they fighting against each other? I know behind Ukraine is mostly NATO or we can say the USA but your statement about Russians helping Ukrainian didn't go in my head.

What I can see is that Russia withdraw in a good order and their first wave of attack was uncoordinated which lead to massive casualties. Now they are focusing their troops mostly on the Donbas region.

[suchmoon]

*Russia is actually helping Ukraine to win the war against what some would call globalists. She is not attacking nor fighting against Ukraine.

It's gotta be the most absurd justification for the war I've read today.

Not attacking nor fighting, just killing massive number of Ukrainians... most Russian-speaking Donbas population. Yeah, that'll teach "globalists". Putin should drop a few bombs on Voronezh just to reinforce that lesson.

[TheNineClub]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

Why the russians are allowing the ukrainens to win ... they had Kiev in their hands and then they retreat ,it makes no sense,tactically it makes no sense ... as a general i would have bombed Kiev like Mariupol or worse ...

Russia has a lot of resources ...ammo never finishes for russians ...you had Kiev in your hands why would you give it back ? ...no sense ...


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/why-hasnt-russia-mobilised-its-vast-air-power-against-ukraine

Well, Russia definitely has a lot of resources, especially manpower, or in Russia's case cannon fodder. And in that lies the whole mystery. Times have changed and the situation is not the same as it was in the USSR, and mass mobilization is not an option anymore because it would signify a war, not a special operation, and mass mobilization without a direct threat is hard to push on the people without retaliation (and we know what happened to Russia when people were unsatisfied with their governments waging a war). So using the biggest asset the Russians always had was the manpower, not the technology or the sheer firepower, and when that main resource gets taken away...well, we get this.

[ChiBitCTy]

Russia isn't allowing them to win, but they aren't using their full force for a number of reasons.  First off they want that land and their people to fall under Russia's rule.  They don't want to completely destroy everything nor kill a ton of people.  Their hope was/is once they win the war then the people there will start to support Russia's rule, which the more land/buildings and people destroyed the less likely that is to happen or make it all the more difficult for them to do in the short and long term.  Also the world is watching closely.  War has changed in this modern day, and if they were to go in and just annihilate Ukraine the world would make sanctions ever worse and perhaps cause a third World War.

*Russia is actually helping Ukraine to win the war against what some would call globalists. She is not attacking nor fighting against Ukraine.

It's gotta be the most absurd justification for the war I've read today.

Not attacking nor fighting, just killing massive number of Ukrainians... most Russian-speaking Donbas population. Yeah, that'll teach "globalists". Putin should drop a few bombs on Voronezh just to reinforce that lesson.

 

[DrBeer]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

Why the russians are allowing the ukrainens to win ... they had Kiev in their hands and then they retreat ,it makes no sense,tactically it makes no sense ... as a general i would have bombed Kiev like Mariupol or worse ...

Russia has a lot of resources ...ammo never finishes for russians ...you had Kiev in your hands why would you give it back ? ...no sense ...


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/why-hasnt-russia-mobilised-its-vast-air-power-against-ukraine

Russia is using soft power tactics to sway the sympathies of Ukrainian civilians. Therefore, the Kherson region has already announced its withdrawal from Ukraine and the desire to join Russia. Russia acts in Ukraine not as an occupier, but as a liberator. This is much more difficult and longer than bombing everything with air bombs and cleaning up the ruins. But in the long run, it's a winning strategy.

Mariupol - more than 30,000 civilians killed. And there has not yet been an investigation into the cause of death. I am sure that when they are carried out, the Nazi sadists, against the background of their heirs of the Rashists, will seem like petty hooligans ...
Irpin and Bucha - hundreds of civilians killed (these are small towns near Kyiv). Killed in a sadistic way, hands tied behind their backs, usually shot in the back of the head. I saw this personally, in the first days after the liberation of Irpin ...
In basements and other "secluded places" - a lot of corpses with terrible signs of torture. This is all recorded, and all those responsible will be punished, if not by international courts, then by alternative means.
Arrivals of rockets in RESIDENTIAL houses ...

Doesn't it seem to you a strange method of achieving sympathy?
Well, about Kherson and the Kherson region - I understand that the concept of any supporter of the Russian world is to lie, everywhere, always, and cynically, but not in the same stupid way ?! In Kherson, they already tried to bring bio-garbage from the DPR / LPR, which were supposed to create the appearance of crowds of local residents and hold another fake referendum. We know perfectly well that the Kremlin parody of Hitler will try to repeat this clowning and proclaim new "republics", but we all know that not a single normal person, in normal mental health, would agree to become part of Russia and live in Russia - this is a terrible punishment, and for life


And about the "liberators" - tell me, whom is Russia freeing in Ukraine? There is no need for Russian speakers - I myself am an ethnic Russian, Russian speaker, and I have never seen any harassment in Ukraine! But the sadism of the Russians-I saw. So who are they freeing here and from whom?

All your accusations are essentially groundless, and the evidence is fabricated by Ukrainian propaganda, for which lying is the only activity available. It is doubly funny that today the mass surrender of the Nazis of Azov in Mariupol and all of them will be interrogated in the DPR for war crimes. In conjunction with a package of accusations of the activities of biological laboratories in Ukraine, where experiments were performed on patients in a mental hospital near Kharkov, etc. I think this will pull on the Nuremberg trials two, which will be initiated by Russia following the results of a special operation. Ukraine is bankrupt and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon be defeated in the Donbass. Even individual tactical successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not change its overall losing strategy and the situation since the end of February. The soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the eastern front are already tired, demoralized, deprived of rotation and the ability to maneuver.

Well, what does Russia, as an aggressor, have to say? Lies, total and most stupid - this is one of the pillars of the "Russian world". Let me explain very simply with an example. Bucha, Irpin, Gostomel - were captured by Russian troops in the first weeks of the war. They themselves officially reported this in the media. The troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, defended the approaches to Kyiv. Since the capture of these cities, photo and video recordings, by the local population, of the crimes of the Nazis from Russia have already been collected there. These materials are easy to find on the web, date-stamped, geo-tagged. I was in Irpen, on the 2nd day, after the Russian terrorists were driven out of the city. In the streets, basements, ditches, buried, corpses were found that had already begun to decompose, were in a state of deep decomposition, corresponding to 1-2-3 weeks from the moment of death. This fully corresponds to the time of the capture of cities by terrorists of the Russian army rabble of sadists. So do not try to tell fake propaganda speeches here! Moreover, international observers recorded it all. So your sadists will be condemned, no matter how you try to hide it!

[Sithara007]

Well, Russia definitely has a lot of resources, especially manpower, or in Russia's case cannon fodder. And in that lies the whole mystery. Times have changed and the situation is not the same as it was in the USSR, and mass mobilization is not an option anymore because it would signify a war, not a special operation, and mass mobilization without a direct threat is hard to push on the people without retaliation (and we know what happened to Russia when people were unsatisfied with their governments waging a war). So using the biggest asset the Russians always had was the manpower, not the technology or the sheer firepower, and when that main resource gets taken away...well, we get this.

Not sure about the manpower part. Even with current population, Russia is one of the most sparsely populated nations on the planet. And to make things worse, the population is going down by more than 1 million every year, due to excess of deaths over births. During the Soviet times, the Russians could ignore the manpower shortage, because until 1988 or so, the natural population growth was much higher than that in Western Europe. But the collapse of the USSR changed that scenario. Now the fertility rate is only slightly higher than that in the EU, and higher death rate means that natural population decline is many times worse of what we have in countries such as Germany and Italy.

[be.open]

Well, what does Russia, as an aggressor, have to say? Lies, total and most stupid - this is one of the pillars of the "Russian world". Let me explain very simply with an example. Bucha, Irpin, Gostomel - were captured by Russian troops in the first weeks of the war. They themselves officially reported this in the media. The troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, defended the approaches to Kyiv. Since the capture of these cities, photo and video recordings, by the local population, of the crimes of the Nazis from Russia have already been collected there. These materials are easy to find on the web, date-stamped, geo-tagged. I was in Irpen, on the 2nd day, after the Russian terrorists were driven out of the city. In the streets, basements, ditches, buried, corpses were found that had already begun to decompose, were in a state of deep decomposition, corresponding to 1-2-3 weeks from the moment of death. This fully corresponds to the time of the capture of cities by terrorists of the Russian army rabble of sadists. So do not try to tell fake propaganda speeches here! Moreover, international observers recorded it all. So your sadists will be condemned, no matter how you try to hide it!

Here I want to say that Ukraine created a double Casus Belli on February 21, 2022, first by attacking by the forces of the DRG of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and 2 infantry fighting vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine across the border of the Russian Federation in the area of the village of Mityakinskaya, Rostov Region, and then by artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroying the border checkpoint of the Russian Federation on the Shcherbakovo farm. This was three days before the start of the special operation. Therefore, who is the aggressor here is an interesting question. You are starting from a false premise, Casus Belli is Casus Belli.

[suchmoon]

Therefore, who is the aggressor here is an interesting question.

Russia is the aggressor, made up "Casus Belli" notwithstanding. Russia has been accumulating its military around Ukraine and planning the invasion for a long time before the alleged attacks so that bullshit doesn't really fly anywhere outside of Russian state TV.

[be.open]

Therefore, who is the aggressor here is an interesting question.

Russia is the aggressor, made up "Casus Belli" notwithstanding. Russia has been accumulating its military around Ukraine and planning the invasion for a long time before the alleged attacks so that bullshit doesn't really fly anywhere outside of Russian state TV.

You keep trying to earn a couple satoshis by quoting me, well.

January 5-9, 2022
38 explosions on the territory of the DPR, 152 ceasefire violations, 213 explosions on the territory of the LPR, 791 ceasefire violations // Report No. 4/2022, OSCE

January 11, 2022  
7 explosions in the territory of the DPR, 133 violations of the ceasefire, 2 explosions in the territory of the LPR, 5 violations of the ceasefire // Report No. 5/2022, OSCE

January 12, 2022
26 explosions on the territory of the DPR, 197 ceasefire violations; 20 explosions on the territory of the LPR, 105 ceasefire violations // Report No. 6/2022, OSCE

January 13, 2022
94 explosions on the territory of the DPR, 187 ceasefire violations; 95 explosions on the territory of the LPR, 148 ceasefire violations // Report No. 7/2022, OSCE

And more, and more, and more. So shut up and fuck off (or shoot commercial signature if you want to talk to me here).