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Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

Why the russians are allowing the ukrainens to win ... they had Kiev in their hands and then they retreat ,it makes no sense,tactically it makes no sense ... as a general i would have bombed Kiev like Mariupol or worse ...

Russia has a lot of resources ...ammo never finishes for russians ...you had Kiev in your hands why would you give it back ? ...no sense ...


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/why-hasnt-russia-mobilised-its-vast-air-power-against-ukraine

Because Russians are not Americans.

Casualties:
- Russia in Ukraine: ~ 2300
- USA in Iraq: the numbers range from 151,000 to over 1,000,000

Enough said.

Russia has used it's full force against Ukraine, it is just completely incompetent and showed how its military is definitely not superpower status. The Russian air force only had success in places like Syria because they were fighting rebels, stuck in a civil war without an organized government. Russia has shown they are no match for even a semi competent military and that truly is pathetic. The military in Russia was run by corruption, just like every other part of the country, and they never thought that one day they might actually have to utilize the equipment where they skimmed that money. It is crazy how badly trained they are and there is a distinct lack of communication even between troops 20 meters apart.

Did you miss the part where they landed paratroops next to Kiev and had to retreat because they cannot control the air space? You seem oblivious to so much.

Think about it — if they used full force in their offense, what if some other powerhouse country would go offensive on them? Their defense would probably lack.

But who knows, really. I'm pretty sure neither of us here really know what we're talking about when it comes to proper troop/asset allocations when it comes to war lol.

Normally I wouldn't even waste time defending the US against a statement like that, but give me a break.  Throughout its history, Russian leaders have been notorious in terms of their ruthlessness.  Do you have anything you want to compare to Stalin's reign?  So the American in me says you can find some other gripe to insert in a thread about the Russia/Ukraine conflict.

And OP, I haven't been following the situation too closely as of late but I was kind of wondering the same thing as well.  I would have thought that if the Russian resolve to conquer Ukraine was great enough, they would have employed blitzkreig tactics instead of whatever it is they're doing.  They've got nuclear capability, FFS, so I don't think I'd be faulted for assuming that any country would rather surrender and not fight than risk something truly terrifying and devastating happening.

I'd be very interested to hear others' opinions on this, too.

It cannot be said that Russia does not use all its power in Ukraine. On February 24, eight Russian armies invaded Ukraine from three sides of its borders. The number of invading occupiers is roughly estimated at 190,000. Moreover, they all invaded on the corresponding military armored vehicles. The large length of the borders of Ukraine, which was attacked, did not allow a good rebuff to the enemy from Ukraine right at its borders, especially since the number of Russian troops and equipment many times exceeded the Armed Forces of Ukraine and if they began to defend themselves at the borders, they would be defeated . Therefore, the Russians were allowed inside the country and began to be beaten in small mobile groups. As we moved towards Kyiv, resistance increased until the large columns, sometimes tens of color meters long, stopped completely. The Ukrainians skillfully used the landscape, setting up various ambushes and blowing up bridges in the way of the aggressor. The Russians were not ready for such a war. Near Kyiv, the Russians were finally stopped and methodically destroyed so that the Kremlin soon realized that they could completely lose the invading forces. Therefore, it was decided to withdraw the rather battered parts of Russian troops from the northern part of Ukraine and concentrate only in the east and south. Kyiv and the main cities in the center and in the northern part of Ukraine were not captured by Russian soldiers.

Now, after the failure of the first stage of the war by Russia in Ukraine, the second stage is also ending without tangible results for Russia, in which Russia tried to completely capture the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine and its southern regions, as well as encircle and destroy the main army of Ukraine.

As of yesterday, Russia lost in Ukraine 26,900 soldiers killed, about 70,000 wounded, 1,205 tanks, 2,900 armored vehicles, 200 aircraft, 162 helicopters, 542 artillery systems, 193 multiple launch rocket systems, 88 air defense systems, 2,042 vehicles were destroyed, 405 UAVs, 13 ships and boats. As can be seen from the scale of the battles, this is the bloodiest war since World War II.
Russia loses in it thanks to the professionalism and heroism of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and its people, who defend their freedom and independence, while Russian soldiers are absolutely unmotivated and, moreover, poorly prepared for it.

You are not talking about Peter the Great, for sure.

If you already making such a fuss, you could ask American Natives, (East) Germans, (West) Japanese, Vietnamese, Syrians, Afghans, ... - I even don't know where to stop - about their satisfaction about US politics.

One the reasons that they haven't attack Ukraine fully ks because they share the same blood. They have the same language, came from the same root. They are like the other race that blindly kills innocent lives. They are showing their power, how much can it damage the city they are attacking. They could've blown Ukraine already but they choose to give them the choice to surrender.

A more detailed background:

https://labourheartlands.com/jacques-baud-the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-update/ (https://labourheartlands.com/jacques-baud-the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-update/)

Do you want Russia to destroy Ukraine, I think you are insane, your brain is not normal, all countries want Russia and Ukraine to make peace, you are saying full power, I think you are talking nonsense.

What you need to know, russia and ukraine are still great-grandchildren, they still have brotherly blood, unwittingly they have opened a civil war, selfish a few people destroy thousands of innocent human beings.

What full power should they use, don't you see the victims who die every day and the suffering suffered by the Ukrainian people, in the war Russia vs. Ukraine, either retreat is a positive decision, not fear or full force, just remember that those who die every day are brothers, not mortal enemies.

Dude this is a discussion about tactics not about emotions ... just saying that as a General ,if i was a General i wouldn't do what the russians did,i wouldn't let anyone escape or survive or even retreat ... maybe they have a plan that we don't know ,it's interesting ...War is the art of deception...

In war: The most advanced technologically ,the ruthless, the most intelligent ,the bravest will win the war. <-- Anyone how has this qualities will win the war ( Lessons from history not propaganda ! )

I'm not sure if this case and discussion are really related to economics but regarding the fight between Ukraine and Russia and the reason why Russia is not using all its forces in the fight the first and most important thing is how can be sure if they are not already using their full of the military forces, obviously, there are many sources of for it but we cannot be sure. By the way, the reason is pretty much clear, if they use the full of the military forces in the war, they will be vulnerable to many countries, and since the relationship between many European countries and Russia is not a good situation they prefer to do not send the full military forces. But if you are to looking at this case economically, the reason can be another thing, maybe if they send full military forces they will need to spend more food and money, also they have some unhappy people inside the country and it's not surprising to see them saving some military forces inside to protect the government against possible protests.

its no longer 1940s when blitzkrieg  worked for germany, Nor is ukraine a weak nation. These days even small man portable weapons can significantly damage bigger military formations, Drones can bring down misslile systems and missiles can sink ships.
The war these days is a  protracted affair of attrition and Russian generals knew this, so they moved in slowly and cautiously

No one really knows to be honest. My theory is that they are afraid of igniting WW3 just like the rest of the world which is why they are cautiously trying to tackle Ukraine which clearly isn't working.

Also, employing their full force implies using all of their nukes which is suicidal since the USA alone can wreck them to oblivion without needing other major allies to step in.

You don't really need to be a war expert to know these things thanks to lessons learnt from WW1 and WW2.

Why would USA attack Russia with nukes ,if Russia attacks Ukraine with nukes ? Ukraine is not even a member of NATO... Why should NATO ( i am also part of NATO ) start a nuclear war with Russia for Ukraine ?

Seems to irrational whats going on ...and that is what scares me.

this i believe is true because they speak same language. i have been watching history of the two countries including neighboring countries are also speaking the same language.

speculating what they are doing is that they want the Ukrainians to unite with Russia. unfortunately its not happening so far. if they bomb Ukraine really hard, they can do it and kill all but that wouldn't look good at all not just to the Ukrainians but to the world watching this war unfold, also there are Russians who has relatives in Ukraine.

I think Russia doesn't wants devastation, they know war has already given them a bad name, they just want to pressurise Ukraine as much as possible create this into a sort of seige and keep this holding until Ukraine decides to surrender the regions peacefully to Russia. Nukes are obviously out of picture so I am not considering that in the force that Russia has. Russia wants to play this war not only in the battlefield but also in the arena of democracy.

No one knows why russia is not using full force. Most replies here are possibilities that it's the reason why. It could be that they don't want ukraine to be seen being destroyed after a full force attack that make russia have bad name more than it is today or they wanted to stop as it may ignite a WW3 or russia doesn't want to use full force as they might get attack by another country then that means they will be vulnerable during an attack. You know what I mean that Russia only knows why. If you don't want to believe me then you can ask russia of that question. One more thing, it seems you want ukraine to be destroyed by russia and my opinion is a mind like that is not normal.

And what "all the power of Russia" are you talking about? I will now digress a little - we have a desire to erect in Ukraine a monument to Russian corruption and the habit of lying. Honestly ! :)

I'll start from afar: can you name at least one military operation of modern Russia (this is over the past 30 years), where would it have a confrontation with an enemy commensurate in strength? Do you understand why I'm asking this?

Now about the monument to corruption and total lies. Thanks to this, we were able to show the whole world what really is what was presented to the whole world as "unparalleled weapons and technologies that will not be available to the West and other countries for many years to come." Planes allegedly of the 5th generation, which are shot down by the ancient Needle. "Invincible tanks" of which we already have about 1200 burned and torn into spare parts lying around (thanks to Javelin and NLOW). About the tanks, I also want to convey a huge thank you to those idiot designers who welded gratings to the tanks and assured the crews that now they are not afraid of Javelin! :) Maybe the S-300 or S-400 turned out to be excellent air defense systems? The cruiser Moskva was sunk by only two Ukrainian-designed Neptune missiles, but the air defense in the Crimea and on board this cruiser did not notice anything! You can still list the fakes that fed the world for decades, passing off imperfections as advanced weapons. The only thing that is a real problem so far is a huge amount of manpower. Which is collected from all over Russia, just to satisfy the perverted, morbid fantasies of their Fuhrer. Statistics of the destroyed resources of Russia, by the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Territorial Defense and volunteer battalions, on the territory of Ukraine:
1. Manpower ~27000 killed
2. Armored vehicles, destroyed ~ 2900
3. Tanks, destroyed ~ 1200
4. Artillery systems, destroyed ~ 550
5. Aircraft destroyed ~ 200
6. Helicopters, destroyed ~ 160
7. Ships and boats, 13 destroyed

This is reality. This is what happens with the army, when money is stolen, and fairy tales are told to the commander in chief, and instead of real developments, cartoons are shown ...

PS By the way - Kyiv has never been captured by Russian troops! There was an unsuccessful encirclement attempt, and there were several breakthroughs by unorganized groups (including tanks, armored personnel carriers, armored personnel carriers, and manpower) in several areas of the city. I personally observed this in Kyiv, Obolon district. But all attempts to enter the city ended sadly for the terrorists. By the end of the second week from the beginning of the terrorist attack on Ukraine, all such attempts ended and were not repeated.

Definitely, Russians are not Americans. Russians where the ones who killed millions of Ukrainians by starvation, this genocide is known as Holodomor, google it if you want to know in detail.

I believe Pro-Russian people here will tell you: what adult goes full force when fighting mere children.
I think it's safe to say that the military capabilities of Russia aren't as great as it was advertised during the years. The government of Russia lies all the time.
Also, during the invasion of Georgia & Crimea, the West was only expressing their astonished feelings without actions. I think that Russia thought they would act as they did before, they would fulfill their goals and then everything would continue as if nothing happened. Now, the west supports Ukraine, giving them money and weapons. Idk if Russia really has full force somewhere hidden but if they have, it won't be wise to go full force because the world is watching, everyone is watching and it's definitely a red alarm for them, the world won't ignore full force bombing and war from Russia towards Ukrainians. Ukraine did nothing against Russia, they are just punished because they want a better future instead of Russia and their Soviet Union ambitions.

I think i figure it out ...what russians are trying to do...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gf3g8jfZ6E

They are trying to starve Ukraine to death ...

Chronology of the statements of the Kremlin leaders:

February 22: the army of Ukraine will not be able to show any noticeable resistance to the units of the RF Armed Forces!
February 24: Kyiv will be captured in 2-3 days!
...
May 14: Ambassador to Washington: Russia firmly tells US that there will be no capitulation of Moscow in Ukraine

That's all I wanted to say :)

If no capitulation it will be a long long war.
Long wars are never good ... means Ukrainians will starve,also Russians and at the end when they realize there is no hope some idiot will push the button do to fact there is no more balance of powers...

With all that territory Russia still wants more territory ... incredible how greedy this people are.

Here is also a secret: we take absolute nothing with us when we die and the observable universe is so big that it it may be infinite and after that there is a non-observable universe even bigger and after that there is a multiverse that is said to have a infinite number of universes ... 21 century and people are still fighting for peanuts ... oh brother we are so stup...id

You might be right on firepower of a large nation like Russia but to guess their tactics is probably giving too much credit.   They pulled back because of so many losses while counting any success, war is ultimately destructive and a horrible loss for both sides this is always true.
  They destroyed buildings and its a civilian city, I think their fight is not well chosen or directed for winning anything tactically in effective advancement of the war or possession of this country; I would not want to advise them on any better course of action as the whole endeavor is an appalling waste of time and life for those paying the cost.

Being a neutral party to this conflict, I would say that the performance from the Russian armed forces have been below par so far. Even with much superior equipment and manpower ratio, they have suffered huge losses and failed to maintain the initial momentum. On the other hand, the poorly equipped rebel forces (those of the rebel territories of DNR and LNR) have made significant gains on ground, even with 19th century equipment in their hand. During the last two months or so, almost all the territorial gains for the Russian side were achieved in areas where the DNR/LNR militias did the fighting (Oblasts of Donetsk and Lugansk, as well as Eastern part of Kharkiv). Ukrainian forces have advanced in areas where the proper Russian troops were deployed (Oblasts of Kherson, Zaporizhia, Mykolayiv and Northern part of Kharkiv).

Not quite right. The Kremlin made a bet during the attack on Ukraine on February 24 precisely on a massive offensive in order to shock the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the number of troops and equipment. The calculation was also on lightning speed. Putin expected to seize the territory of Ukraine in a few days. Therefore, the invaders had dry rations for only three days, and there was practically no rear escort. Already when the Russian army was bogged down in the war in Ukraine and began to experience problems with food, an instruction was received from the Kremlin to switch to self-sufficiency, that is, the troops were allowed to rob shops and the civilian population, which they did.

Almost the entire Russian army is now fighting on the territory of Ukraine. They have already gathered troops from almost all of Russia, including the Far East, and now they are even withdrawing their troops from Syria, as well as sending sailors from the Northern Fleet. Everything that is possible is already being raked out, because almost half of the Russian army has already been killed or wounded. In terms of the amount of destroyed military equipment, the circumstances here are even worse. Russia is already equipping new recruits with the 1891 Mosin rifles that were used in World War I a century ago.
Therefore, I do not think that Russia is at war with Ukraine not at full strength. It's just that the professionalism and spirit of the Russian army is much lower than that of the Ukrainian one. This explains the military defeat of Russia in Ukraine.

Russia has done so much damage to Ukraine already. They have taken away the leftover food and utensils of people of Ukraine.
That is so sad and that is so disturbing. I think Russia should stop now and they should focus of rebuilding themselves and new drama of rehabilitation will start. OH I am so tired of these superpower dule faces.

They are a lot of factors as to why Russia they are pulling back with their attacks to Ukraine. We know as much that Russia can win the war that they've started with Ukraine however I don't that this war's purpose is to mainly destroy the country or overtake it.
Clearly, they are just showing their power not to Ukraine but to the whole world in case a much more bigger conflict could occur. Also, I'm sure that there are more negotiation going on that is not being shown in the media that will provide a huge gain with Russia.

To a greater extent too I have wonder what OP said in my quiet times because Russia has been said to be in the world power ranking but they have not been able subduing Ukraine and retracing leaves more questions. Although Russia is not coming out clearly to the use of nuclear weapon but that should not be all that Russia has to go into warfare. Maybe Putin is just making his military presence felt or that is the highest they can go.

I suspect Russia is committing as much as it can and is finding it much, much harder going than it anticipated, for example in the news today:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/britain-says-russias-donbas-offensive-has-lost-momentum-2022-05-15/

TL; DR: “ LONDON, May 15 (Reuters) - Russia has probably lost around a third of the ground forces it deployed to Ukraine and its offensive in the Donbas region "has lost momentum and fallen significantly behind schedule", British military intelligence said on Sunday.”

Well, you see - and Russia will be hysterical that it does not want to capitulate :) But nothing, Hitler also dreamed of a great Reich, like his pathetic parody in the Kremlin, but we know how he ended ....

Ukraine must not surrender - losing this war will be tantamount to the cessation of the existence of Ukraine, and we do not agree with this, we have plans for a long and happy life. This, in general, infuriates the crazy maniac in Moscow .. The aggressor must cease to exist, and we are striving for this. I think such a final will be supported by the majority of normal countries. Yes, I know that the price of each day is life. The lives of the defenders of Ukraine, ordinary citizens, the destruction of infrastructure. I saw who the Rashists were in Kyiv, and I saw Irpen and Bucha, what the Rashists did to them. And I don't want my country to turn into a giant common grave. Therefore, it is only necessary to win and destroy the aggressor. And I must admit that our army is doing great, even though we are not "the second most powerful army in the world" :) We are supported by the whole normal world, we are supported by ordinary people and governments. At the same time, we helped the world to see where the metastasis of the new Nazism had ripened, and taught us not to be afraid of the threats of a crazy fascist, who was used to lying to everyone and always. Victory will be ours !

     Probably because they are underestimating Ukraine and the tenacity of the Ukrainian people. But I don't think they would underestimate it to the point that it would make the war drag on this long. One thing I can think of would be the way they think that they should always be prepared for whatever implications their invasion on Ukraine may bring. Although it may be unlikely for the other countries to be involved to an extent of attacking Russia directly but I guess they just want to be well prepared for whatever scenario.

Because it doesn't make sense for them to use so many resources against a country like Ukraine. It would be like killing a cockroach with a bazooka, it makes no sense.

Because there are many fact and causes behind of this. If Rasia attack with full force in Ukraine, then other countries  will get a chance to attack Russia there is another main things that the War is very expensive so I think, Russia thinks that they are already very powerful country and Ukraine is a small weak so that can be defeated by a small attack. Even then there's is a connection of geopolitics.

Also, we don't know the truth about their actual weaponry. Does Russia have those resources to sustain this war? And maybe, they are not using full force because they know the world is watching, and other countries may possibly help in case the situation calls for. Anyway, we don't know the reasoning behind this, and we are only giving speculations. What we can aim for is that hopefully this war will be over soon as many lives are now being sacrificed. The longer this war will be, the more sufferance it will give to both sides, whether Russian or Ukrainian.

If Russia fight with its complete force Ukraine will get backed by more countries, then the same might turn as a war between Russia and rest of the world. Such a situation is worse and to avoid such happening it looks like Russia have been slowly evading Ukraine. Russia needs to come to an end at the shortest than troubling the country where the citizens weren't able to move independently.

We don't know what is the exact plan of Russia, but it showed they're strong to the world. Again through the sanction they weren't down, which showed their potential to withstand the opposition of western nations.

Because other countries will take action against them and they might lose a lot of resources if they go all in with Ukraine. Russia knows that this is a long war so technically they are preserving their army for a bigger purposes. Let’s hope that Russia will take all out against Ukraine, because for sure Ukraine can’t handle it.

No need to underestimate Ukraine. After Russia and Turkey, they have probably the largest and best trained Armed Forces in all of Europe (although the three months of war has wiped out a large portion of that force). And it is also not true that Russia has not used it's full force in Ukraine. Right now they have close to 150,000 troops in Ukraine, which works out to a considerable proportion of their active fighting strength. And they have suffered significant losses as well (despite using the poorly trained reserves from LNR and DNR as cannon fodder).

And more important Russia (USSR) is not getting America and Geat Britain's help anymore, it's their first war when they fight alone without somebody stretching their forces on 3 fronts. And when it comes to 1:1, Russia fails miserably, that's why in their history books they go from Napoleon to Hitler, forgetting about Napoleon III, Katsura Taro, and Wilhelm II.

If everyone is asking why are they not throwing more forces in battle, look at those Pikachu faces on Russian national television:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUlgd7HZtYU

Simple, there is nothing left to throw at, a cardboard tank that was never produced, a 17th generation fighter that can't fly, a ship that was supposed to do that and that and somehow pressed the transform to a submarine button.
Why is everyone surprised by this, remember the wars in  Chechnya?

yah so.   what makes all of you think thats theres fighting in ukraine has anything to do with politics land or ideology or security?

from the very beginning the reason russia was at war with ukraine was not for that. This war exists because of the Russian form of protest because Ukraine wants to join NATO. And why don't they use full force, I don't think Russia wants its military power to be known by the Natos especially the US. after all, they are also trying so that civilians are not affected by the war. that's why they use this method.

Maybe they finally realized that what they are doing is wrong so they aren't fighting back anymore but let Ukrainians to win the war. That is a nice thing actually but why do you want Russians to become more aggressive? I think you are out of your mind already and want this war to last longer. Do you feel good when some innocent people get injured or worst get killed? And how do you know that Russian have still lots of ammos left?

The war have run for quite sometime, so maybe they used all their ammo already and they are having a hard time of availing a new one because of they are in tight budget. You know, they are still in sanctions.

Maybe because they don't want to put too much and spent too much in this war , everyone knows that Russia is a big country but has many countries that is not in good terms or should I say they have an enemy countries such as US, they need to secure their country for having a backdoor attacks, in a war they should not give all their resources .

Russia should stop by now. Enough damage has been done already.
If they have not used their full force and the damage done is irreparable - What would have happen if they would have used the whole force, The earth need time to heal.

Russia is using soft power tactics to sway the sympathies of Ukrainian civilians. Therefore, the Kherson region has already announced its withdrawal from Ukraine and the desire to join Russia. Russia acts in Ukraine not as an occupier, but as a liberator. This is much more difficult and longer than bombing everything with air bombs and cleaning up the ruins. But in the long run, it's a winning strategy.

Not "Kherson region", but a puppet government installed by Russians.


Except out here in the real world they bombed and shelled Mariupol for two months.

The dog barks, the caravan moves on. Residents of the Kherson region will have a chance to express their will in a referendum. In the meantime, Ukraine has stopped paying pensions and social benefits to residents of the Kherson region, and Russia is doing this for Ukraine. And Ukraine shoots at residential areas, this is the only thing it knows how to do well.

Mariupol was not bombed, Azovstal was bombed.

Russian "liberation" in all its beauty. They already know the will of the people, who lived peacefully just a few months ago and didn't have any intent "to join Russia", but now they suddenly do.


Right, nearly every building in Mariupol decided to just randomly catch fire or otherwise destroy itself, like the infamous underwater missile cruiser.

It seems that ordinary peaceful people, not affected by the virus of radical nationalism, absolutely do not care what flag they live under, as long as they are not shot at. Russians do not shoot at civilians, Ukrainians shoot, I think their choice is obvious. But there will still be a referendum.

The peaceful life is being actively restored in the city, including electricity and water supply. Soon we will see who and what was hiding in the bunkers near Azovstal and who you are so actively protecting here. The underground thousand changed their minds about dying for the glory of the Fourth Reich.
 

No one was shooting at civilians in Kherson until Russians came and started it: https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/03/21/kherson-ukraine-explosion-gunfire-newsroom-berman-vpx.cnn


Yes, invaders trying to turn the power on for their HQ and setting apartments on fire: https://t.me/andriyshTime/892

Pyccкий миp.

Are you paid for posts in this section in your bounty campaign? Let's move to the political section where you don't get paid to post, I don't want you to make money broadcasting your Nazi shit here. Moreover, the topic is clearly political and has nothing to do with economics. I hope for your understanding.

You can report the thread or the posts to moderators if you think this is the wrong board, but it's quite telling that after all your "arguments" have been debunked you're now resorting to personal attacks and insinuations about my posts. There is nothing "nazi" about challenging and disproving your lies. We've done this in the "political section" for weeks.  

tl;dr: Russia's "full force" is on display and the only thing it can do with any degree of "success" is to kill unarmed civilians and loot their homes. When met with proper resistance, Russians run like they did near Kyiv and Kharkiv.

What do you think of Russian government?
Do you think that Russia ca not send ballistic missiles to Kiev in a twinkle of an eye and everywhere will become deserted?
Putin has the power and forces to invade Ukraine successfully but he underated Ukraine capability.
The world is already against Russia government so there will be no need to going too far when Kiev can not be suppressed for long.
We don't need to compare whose is the most powerful here but to condemn the act of violence against human right.

But what is the signal or major reason to stop Putin about this war? I have the feeling that he won't stop as when his health rumors came to light, I feel that he is being suicidal here. No matter what the world will remember him, good or bad, as long as he is part of the history books, that's fine for him. So I don't know who can change his mind now. Maybe, he will continue to send troops up until he died of his "sickness" as media is suggesting he has blood cancer.

Russia want to control the Ukraine with some manner. Some they refuse to come out from their. Russia was became a blood cancer to the Ukraine now, the rest of the nation should have his hand for the solve of the issue. It was keep thinking by the UN Security Council. NATO had a power to do this unique war, but they was thought. It may leads to the world war for the time concern.

Mariupol - more than 30,000 civilians killed. And there has not yet been an investigation into the cause of death. I am sure that when they are carried out, the Nazi sadists, against the background of their heirs of the Rashists, will seem like petty hooligans ...
Irpin and Bucha - hundreds of civilians killed (these are small towns near Kyiv). Killed in a sadistic way, hands tied behind their backs, usually shot in the back of the head. I saw this personally, in the first days after the liberation of Irpin ...
In basements and other "secluded places" - a lot of corpses with terrible signs of torture. This is all recorded, and all those responsible will be punished, if not by international courts, then by alternative means.
Arrivals of rockets in RESIDENTIAL houses ...

Doesn't it seem to you a strange method of achieving sympathy?
Well, about Kherson and the Kherson region - I understand that the concept of any supporter of the Russian world is to lie, everywhere, always, and cynically, but not in the same stupid way ?! :) In Kherson, they already tried to bring bio-garbage from the DPR / LPR, which were supposed to create the appearance of crowds of local residents and hold another fake referendum. We know perfectly well that the Kremlin parody of Hitler will try to repeat this clowning and proclaim new "republics", but we all know that not a single normal person, in normal mental health, would agree to become part of Russia and live in Russia - this is a terrible punishment, and for life :)


And about the "liberators" - tell me, whom is Russia freeing in Ukraine? There is no need for Russian speakers - I myself am an ethnic Russian, Russian speaker, and I have never seen any harassment in Ukraine! But the sadism of the Russians-I saw. So who are they freeing here and from whom?

Indeed, so - as already explained by others - Ukrainians are the Russian brothers and therefore it is comprehensible why the Russians did not attack infrastructure which is essential for the Ukranians like power plants or communication systems. In fact, they directly attacked the cities when the Ukrainians retreated within those (and therefore, at least partly, provoked civile casualties - especially when hiding in hospitals and schools) and one could argue that this guerilla tactic was the only defence option left for the Ukrainians. For Kiev it was to bind Ukrainian troops from defending the southeastern region. It was never about conquering Kiev.

For those who wonder why there seem so many vehicles lost by the Russians - they have a completely different tank strategy: the Western strategy relies on high-tech as-long-as-possible-operationable tanks while the Eastern strategy relies on the whole formation where a single tank is not essential and losses (vehicles and soldiers) are part of the strategy of mass formation attacks with cheap equipment in order to be able to make huge breakthroughs with it (background: formidable battle formations against NATO). In contrast, they are not suitable for operations with guerrilla tactics.

Quit lying for Putin, he doesn't love you anyway. Of course Russians wanted to take Kyiv and close the "kettle" along Dnipro. Didn't work out, nor did any of the reduced plans of encirclement.


"Single tank is not essential" but they already lost 1000+, is that "essential"? Didn't make any huge breakthroughs either. Damn Ukrainians are not fighting the way it would be convenient for Russians, how shocking.

All your accusations are essentially groundless, and the evidence is fabricated by Ukrainian propaganda, for which lying is the only activity available. It is doubly funny that today the mass surrender of the Nazis of Azov in Mariupol and all of them will be interrogated in the DPR for war crimes. In conjunction with a package of accusations of the activities of biological laboratories in Ukraine, where experiments were performed on patients in a mental hospital near Kharkov, etc. I think this will pull on the Nuremberg trials two, which will be initiated by Russia following the results of a special operation. Ukraine is bankrupt and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon be defeated in the Donbass. Even individual tactical successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not change its overall losing strategy and the situation since the end of February. The soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the eastern front are already tired, demoralized, deprived of rotation and the ability to maneuver.

Seems like a very acute case of projection. Flip "Ukraine" for "Russia" and it's about right. Russian forces have no backup plan, and their main "strategy" of sending waves of cannon fodder is failing miserably.

Somewhat agree with the cannon fodder part. Thousands (if not tens of thousands) of Russian soldiers have died (not including thousands of casualties from DNR/LNR militia and from PMC Wagner). And most of the deaths are from impoverished Russian provinces such as Buryatia, Tuva, Daghestan and Ossetia. I hardly heard about any military deaths from Moscow or Samara or Nizhny Novgorod. But then, they have also managed to seize a huge tract of territory in South and East Ukraine (in addition to what they seized in 2014).

Regardless of who is wining or losing in this war, its impact is felt by the whole world. The country where I am living now is at verge of economics collapse because of this war. I am not following this war but one thing is very clear that Russia is struck there and they need a safe exit, may be U.N can jump in to end this war.

They got most of it in the first couple of weeks. They gave up a lot of territory in the north after taking it initially. It's been a stalemate at best for the last two months. Considering Russian losses and Ukrainian weapons supply, this is not looking good for Putin.


UN won't do shit. Russians can exit any time. The sooner the better for everyone.

Who says they do not? I mean just because we are not seeing them attacking with every single weapon and every single soldier, doesn't mean that they are not attacking with all they have. The nuance there is the fact that they haveo ther places taht they need to put soldiers in other places. Which means that, not every single listed soldier could end up attacking Ukraine, some will be stationed somewhere else. Plus when you are attacking a nation, you can't just send all of your missiles all at once on day one. You need to spread them around in case it prolonges which it does. So basically Russia is attacking with the optimum amount they could, and this is basically all they could do.

Russia is under sanctions and has many attacks on its financial sectors and economy.

To counteract these pressures, Putin is waging war on a budget.

--Conscripts rather than military professionals are deployed in ukraine due to their salaries being considerably smaller
--Tanks which cost around $1.2 million are deployed rather than jet fighters which cost $100 million
--Russian ground forces have no air support as maintenance, ordnance and upkeep of an air force is much more expensive than on tanks and surface vehicles

The only exception to russia's extreme cost savings measures are their alleged launching of hypersonic missiles which cost $100 million each.

The upside to deploying hypersonic missiles is their technology is new and the data which can be gathered through real world application to refine and perfect the technology is worth more than the missiles themselves.

Ah, that's why the US are begging for an immediate ceasefire (https://cnn.it/3PDTWvg). This certainly has nothing to do with the Western military advisers who have now crawled out of Mariupol's steelworks, at all  :D

Nothing in the link you provided supports your ludicrous claims. However a ceasefire would be great for everyone. Unfortunately the deluded clown in charge of Russia doesn't care about little things like people dying or the economy being flushed down the toilet.


Kinzhal is an ALBM version of Iskander, it doesn't cost anywhere near $100 million.

I'm sure when Russia's invasion of Ukraine took everything into account, and maybe this is as a test to Europe and the USA whether they will react, if the reaction is as normal as it is now then I'm sure Russia is considering its next target country.

If you are talking about North-Central Kharkiv, then yes. Russian troops withdraw from most of this region and Ukrainians hold a numerical advantage there. In the coming days, Ukrainian forces may regain some of the cities such as Lyptsi and Hoptivka. But at the same time, the Russians seems to be determined to hold cities on the eastern side of the river, such as Kupiansk and Vovchansk. And they have been advancing around the direction of Izyum. Russians are concentrating on Donbass as of now, and other regions are not their priority. That may change, once they capture the Sievierodonetsk-Lysychansk agglomeration and probably the Kramatorsk-Slavyansk agglomeration.

Russian want peace to rain between them and Ukraine because war don't use to bring good things than to destroy good things the two countries has planted in the land. I think, many countries has advised Russian president to embrace peace with Ukraine president to allow the strong relationship they had to each other to continue, so that the world will believe that peace has came to stay in their land. The two countries has experienced a lot of damages in their economy sectors for the few months the war was on ground which are the reasons Russian are not using full force on Ukraine because peace is about to restore back to their countries.

*Russia is actually helping Ukraine to win the war against what some would call globalists. She is not attacking nor fighting against Ukraine.


In regards to the topic, ofcourse, Russia made a mistake with that withdrawal. It wasn't ordered by the ONE who sent her to the battle.

Plus Russia was slowed down due to innocent civilians/people. Satan realized this and took advantage of it by using people as human shield to make things more difficult for Russia. But that problem can easily be solved.

So you are saying Russian withdrawal was not commanded by Putin? I did not understand how Russia is helping Ukraine to win the war? Aren't they fighting against each other? I know behind Ukraine is mostly NATO or we can say the USA but your statement about Russians helping Ukrainian didn't go in my head.

What I can see is that Russia withdraw in a good order and their first wave of attack was uncoordinated which lead to massive casualties. Now they are focusing their troops mostly on the Donbas region.

It's gotta be the most absurd justification for the war I've read today.

Not attacking nor fighting, just killing massive number of Ukrainians... most Russian-speaking Donbas population. Yeah, that'll teach "globalists". Putin should drop a few bombs on Voronezh just to reinforce that lesson.

Well, Russia definitely has a lot of resources, especially manpower, or in Russia's case cannon fodder. And in that lies the whole mystery. Times have changed and the situation is not the same as it was in the USSR, and mass mobilization is not an option anymore because it would signify a war, not a special operation, and mass mobilization without a direct threat is hard to push on the people without retaliation (and we know what happened to Russia when people were unsatisfied with their governments waging a war). So using the biggest asset the Russians always had was the manpower, not the technology or the sheer firepower, and when that main resource gets taken away...well, we get this.

Russia isn't allowing them to win, but they aren't using their full force for a number of reasons.  First off they want that land and their people to fall under Russia's rule.  They don't want to completely destroy everything nor kill a ton of people.  Their hope was/is once they win the war then the people there will start to support Russia's rule, which the more land/buildings and people destroyed the less likely that is to happen or make it all the more difficult for them to do in the short and long term.  Also the world is watching closely.  War has changed in this modern day, and if they were to go in and just annihilate Ukraine the world would make sanctions ever worse and perhaps cause a third World War.


 :D

Well, what does Russia, as an aggressor, have to say? Lies, total and most stupid - this is one of the pillars of the "Russian world". Let me explain very simply with an example. Bucha, Irpin, Gostomel - were captured by Russian troops in the first weeks of the war. They themselves officially reported this in the media. The troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, defended the approaches to Kyiv. Since the capture of these cities, photo and video recordings, by the local population, of the crimes of the Nazis from Russia have already been collected there. These materials are easy to find on the web, date-stamped, geo-tagged. I was in Irpen, on the 2nd day, after the Russian terrorists were driven out of the city. In the streets, basements, ditches, buried, corpses were found that had already begun to decompose, were in a state of deep decomposition, corresponding to 1-2-3 weeks from the moment of death. This fully corresponds to the time of the capture of cities by terrorists of the Russian army rabble of sadists. So do not try to tell fake propaganda speeches here! Moreover, international observers recorded it all. So your sadists will be condemned, no matter how you try to hide it!

Not sure about the manpower part. Even with current population, Russia is one of the most sparsely populated nations on the planet. And to make things worse, the population is going down by more than 1 million every year, due to excess of deaths over births. During the Soviet times, the Russians could ignore the manpower shortage, because until 1988 or so, the natural population growth was much higher than that in Western Europe. But the collapse of the USSR changed that scenario. Now the fertility rate is only slightly higher than that in the EU, and higher death rate means that natural population decline is many times worse of what we have in countries such as Germany and Italy.

Here I want to say that Ukraine created a double Casus Belli on February 21, 2022, first by attacking by the forces of the DRG of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and 2 infantry fighting vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine across the border of the Russian Federation in the area of the village of Mityakinskaya (https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5228403), Rostov Region, and then by artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroying the border checkpoint of the Russian Federation on the Shcherbakovo farm (https://www.rbc.ru/politics/21/02/2022/621360d79a79470fcd422edd). This was three days before the start of the special operation. Therefore, who is the aggressor here is an interesting question. You are starting from a false premise, Casus Belli is Casus Belli.

Russia is the aggressor, made up "Casus Belli" notwithstanding. Russia has been accumulating its military around Ukraine and planning the invasion for a long time before the alleged attacks so that bullshit doesn't really fly anywhere outside of Russian state TV.

You keep trying to earn a couple satoshis by quoting me, well.

January 5-9, 2022
38 explosions on the territory of the DPR, 152 ceasefire violations, 213 explosions on the territory of the LPR, 791 ceasefire violations // Report No. 4/2022, OSCE (https://www.osce.org/ru/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/509768)

January 11, 2022  
7 explosions in the territory of the DPR, 133 violations of the ceasefire, 2 explosions in the territory of the LPR, 5 violations of the ceasefire // Report No. 5/2022, OSCE (https://www.osce.org/ru/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/509816)

January 12, 2022
26 explosions on the territory of the DPR, 197 ceasefire violations; 20 explosions on the territory of the LPR, 105 ceasefire violations // Report No. 6/2022, OSCE (https://www.osce.org/ru/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/509861)

January 13, 2022
94 explosions on the territory of the DPR, 187 ceasefire violations; 95 explosions on the territory of the LPR, 148 ceasefire violations // Report No. 7/2022, OSCE (https://www.osce.org/ru/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/509891)

And more (https://www.osce.org/ru/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/510161), and more (https://www.osce.org/ru/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/510479), and more (https://www.osce.org/ru/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/510224). So shut up and fuck off (or shoot commercial signature if you want to talk to me here).

The OSCE report doesn't say DPR or LPR (it says Donetsk and Lugansk regions) and it doesn't say which side violated the cease fire.

Nor should it matter to Russia, because all of this happened not in Russian territory.

How many times to repeat - here you are not Russian consumers of propaganda! Goebbels, having listened to you, would obviously have made a "hand-face" :)
Russian sources of information on the content of the truth have long achieved negative content! Stop filling the forum with fakes, and such primitive ones! In addition, everyone has long known that the Russian "reality" is built on a total lie.

Even if, assuming that your fake is true, what's wrong with that? After all, since 2014, Russia has attacked Ukraine, is waging a terrorist war here, killing Ukrainian citizens, annexed and occupied part of the territory?

You also give a link to Lukashenka's speech, where he explains how Ukraine wanted to attack him :)

To be honest, despite your opposite point of view, until recently it was interesting to have disputes or dialogues with you. now you have fallen to the level of primitive Russian propaganda, which only the inhabitants of Russia believe in. People with a normal mentality just smile at all these fakes. It's unfortunate that you're sinking to such a low level...

I can see the discussion is heated up by passionate supporters of Russia, but I won't engage with that. I think it's a good question to ask to ensure we understand the current war well, and I'll try answering it as coldly as I can.
First, I want to say that the op said he'd bomb Kyiv like Mariupol or worse. I must say that there's this thing with Ukrainian national identity that it's built around the idea of freedom, rebellions, independence. The more bombings there are, the angrier people become, and the stronger the desire of revenge gets. Which is why it's much better, pragmatically and ethically, to conduct the war in as clean a way as possible: if it's just soldiers fighting and only military bases getting destroyed, many might feel it's 'merely politics' and stay out of it, feel more indifferent to the war. That means both Western support of Ukraine and self-organization of civilians to help the army. But when you see war crimes after war crimes, it gets very personal, people radicalize, and many countries that would have stayed neutral otherwise start feeling like this is something they must help to stop. The demarcation between the good and evil becomes very sharp, and most want to support the good.
Now, to the question of aviation: the rhetoric of Russia, its policies on national security presume that enemies are around them and that, if an opportunity arises, the enemies will invade and try to destroy Russia. This is why Russia demanded NATO to not only stop expanding, but even pull back to 30-year-old borders before the 2022 invasion. This assumption means they must reserve the majority of their air power for themselves, to be sure that if they are invaded by NATO, they can protect their own land.

Which changed when Donetsk and Lugansk have declared themselves autonomous and asked Russia for assistance against Ukraine's attacks.

Under international law, Russia is not the aggressor as the "right of self-determination of peoples" is usually held in such high esteem. In my view, the attack came from Ukraine and the 2 republics have asked for "assistance" against a genocide that has been going on for 8 years and intensified in 2022. There is no right of a state to wage war on parts of the former state entity, to murder them and to raze their dwellings to the ground. I assume that exactly at this point the "international law" was massively broken on the part of Ukraine, only... only no one in the West was bothered by it. Pathetic.

That's not how it works. I can't declare my house "autonomous" and ask Putin to liberate it. I mean I could, but that'd be idiotic.


There was no genocide. Some thugs commanded by a KGB officer and helped by Russian military took over some cities. DNR/LNR is ruled by a ponzi-scammer Denis Pushilin and his gang of criminals since 2018; the previous wannabe dictators weren't any better either. Following the insurrection in 2014 they were stealing cars from civilians, looting homes, etc - all the usual stuff Russian "military" does. Ukrainians treated them as terrorists and rightfully so.

The conflict was at a stalemate in recent years. It "intensified" when Russia invaded, not before.

If your house is a republic this is exactly how it works.

You should mention why the people of the southeast were upset with the regime change by the West in 2014 and why the regular people (and not the military) were regularly and systematically attacked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx2O4SZnNIU

Furthermore, you should answer the question why Zelenskyy proclaimed in 2020 or 2021 to attack the southeast/Crimea and why the attacks on the southeastern region intensified from the beginning to mid February before(!) Russia intervened.

Last but not least, there remains the question of what alternative options Putin has for action - after 8 years of fruitless agreements and non-compliance with the Minsk agreement by Ukraine and ultimately its escalation of military attacks. Wait and see and drink tea?

But it isn't. Neither is the DPR/LPR nonsense.


Nice attempt with your straw people, better luck next time.


Die or otherwise go away is also a good option.

Putin has done the entire world a great favor.

He has clearly shown us that $ 750,000 dollar tanks are no match for $50,000 remote launched missile setups.

So all countries know that tanks are a waste to build.

Next he has shown us that ships must stay much further from the shore to be safe. $50,000,000 ships can be sunk by $150,000 setups remotely operated.

Lastly he has really helped the gaming industry since the best gamers will be in demand to remotely operate the missles and drones to attack all those out of date techs.

What is also cool 😎 is Putins invasion has shown the entire world that jamming remote device control should be everyones top priority.

I never would have thought the all those tanks were basically a waste of men space and money.

Thanks to Putin we all have learned that tanks are next to worthless. Actually they are a liability to a country and their army .

Now do we want Putin to win do we want Putin to lose do we want Putin to die.

Obviously you can take your pick on that. Some will root for Russia 🇷🇺 some will root for Ukraine 🇺🇦 very few will point out that USA and nato along with Putin and Russia are simply using the Ukraine to jack up oil inflation basically running inflation up 🆙 up ⬆️ and away.

My prediction is this action goes on and on and on and on and on for all of May,June,July,August,Sept, even Oct by then gas will be nuts diesel will be over the moon and the oil barons of the world will be smiling bigly.

So my answer to the op question is Putin/Biden is doing exactly this and will do this for months to come while we all suffer the inflation it causes.

Putin also knows if he streches this out till the fall the USA 🇺🇸 will become more rightwing trumpish which he personally favors of leftwing bidenish.

To us all hope for the world maybe a Putin stroke followed by a Biden heart ♥️ attack.

I believe Russia has done enough damage to the Ukraine - While Ukraine wanted to have ceasefire they were continuously killing and make people starve for food. They took away food and utensils of the survivors in Ukraine so that they die of hunger. Such a pity! War lord have no mercy!

A clear case of double standards.

In my opinion, the reason Russia is not using its full power against Russia is because Russia is aware that they are fighting against their brothers, so until now Russia has not used fighter jets to attack Ukraine, actually Russia only wants to fight America's allies who want to make Ukraine a scapegoat. If they really want to use their full power, it is certain that Ukraine is powerless.

Had they be so concerned about their brother - they should not have attacked their brother at the first place.
Russia should have not initiated this war. Pakistan too have paid a hefty for visiting Russia before war.

I personally observed what remains of "a tank that has no analogues, and a tank that the West will not be able to create soon!" after hitting them Javelin/NLOW :)
I personally saw what a tank that came under fire from an RPG of the previous generation looks like. If there was no hit in critical areas, the tank lives long enough, and it will have marks from the hit, but it will be more or less intact. Yes, I saw how the process of tank death looks like, when the shaped charge burns through the armor, and the tank ammunition explodes. Pillars of fire, from all openings, primarily through the hatches and gun barrel. But to achieve this was quite difficult. And in the conditions of "battle in the field" it is extremely difficult.

But a tank that, after the first hit, turns into a mega firework, and launches its tower up to 20 meters - I have never seen this! :) Even if you weld a "unparalleled" lattice on the tower :)

Yes, and most importantly. The Russian army is a projection of the USSR army. At the same time, almost nothing has changed in it. The same stupid generals, the same orders "by this date, take this object at any cost" and ... YES, tank columns, as the main means of gaining superiority. It worked, in the days of primitive means of combating armored vehicles and tanks specifically. But after the advent of Javelins / NLOWs and the like, Russian tanks became mobile crematorium graves for their tankers.

No, it's not. The same "standard" is applicable to other murderous dictators as well.

All the "power" of the Russian army turned out to be a fake and a total lie! The second most powerful army in the world has already strategically lost the war, an army that few even heard of "yesterday"! I will not list all their pathos statements about the capture of Ukraine as a cakewalk. I'll just say:
- 2-3 weeks to capture the whole of Ukraine has stretched for almost 90 days, and global losses have "the second most powerful army in the world." Losses of manpower and equipment already exceed the armies of many countries of the world!
- and most importantly - we are not "fraternal peoples" at all. We have nothing to do with them. And never will again!
Well, for visualization - below is a map of Ukraine, as of May 16, 2022.
Yellow and pink colors are the territories that were occupied in the first month. Yellow color is the territories that the Ukrainian army has liberated today, having defeated and driven away the Russian army. This actually happened in April. We must also understand - with a significant superiority (quantitative, but not qualitative) of the forces of the Russian terrorist troops.
Pink color is the temporarily occupied territories by Russian troops. As you noticed, more than half of the previously occupied areas have been freed from Russian terrorists. This is how "the second most powerful army in the world" looks like!

https://i.postimg.cc/jS1f81JJ/00000000map.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Most people think Russia bad USA good or USA bad Russia good.

Truth is they are both scumbag countries that conspire to hurt regular people in the World.

You can add a lot more countries to that list.

China
England and many more.

Russian is a big state no doubt - But what is coming up after the sanctions and boycotts. I am too curious to know.
The bans and sanctions on Russia - and now the time when the EU has to get oil and gas from Russia - its really important how it will unfold.

Be sure to add "real facts" about the crucified boy in panties, about the US chemical and bacteriological laboratories, about the grandmother raped with polyurethane foam (I apologize to the public - but this was also presented as a "fact"), and many other fairy tales so beloved by Russian listeners and bullshit :)

Yes, and add to your list, in chronological order, entries.
02/24/2014 - the entry of Russian troops into the territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, the seizure of administrative buildings, the ban on the work of legitimate power.
April 2014 - the entry of regular military units of Russia into the territory of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions of Ukraine, the seizure of administrative buildings, the cessation of the work of legitimate power. Formation of a puppet government. Expansion of the occupied territories.

Now the list will be correct, and a semantic load will appear in it

PS Well, and most importantly-there are no DNI and LC. These are the letters that indicate part of the Ukrainian lands occupied by Russia. Write right away that it was on the back of the moon, it will look more like the truth :)

The Russia Ukraine war is very hard to analyse because we only get one sided information here. On TV we only see Russian losses, all Ukrainian casualties are being not disclosed. It makes it hard to get an objective picture from the war. What we do know is that Putin tried a blitzkrieg and overthrow the government in Kiev quickly. That didn't work because of some wrong Intel or it was just a high risk, high reward strategy. The Ukrainian army is bigger than the number of Russian troops in Ukraine, but Putin can use his forces much more concentrated than the Ukrainian. He is choosing which area to attack, while Ukraine needs to defend the whole country. The big issue for how many troops to be used in Ukraine is the logistic. Already with the current amount of troops Russia is having problems supplying all the front line battalions. It must be very frustrating to leave behind armor because of the lack of fuel. Now it's a war of attrition and Russia will need to access its vast supply of old weapons, while Ukraine is being supplied by Western countries.

Has it? The autonomous Donetsk and Luhansk have declared themselves and are only recognized by Russia as autonomous states. In reality, they're simply two Ukrainian occupied territories. How is Russia not the aggressor, under "international law"?

That's my main concern, no one believed that the war would last that long, but it looks that it's not bound to end anytime soon. As you've already mentioned, the war is likely to last till the end of the year, causing excessive oil prices and severely increased inflation rates.

Topic moved to another section? Then I will answer.

The links in the OSCE reports also contain a link to the full version of the PDF with a map showing the places where the ceasefire was violated. From these maps, you can easily understand which side violated the ceasefire.

Perhaps this was not important until February 22, when Putin signed the Laws on the ratification of treaties on friendship, cooperation and partnership between the Russian Federation and the republics of the DPR and LPR. However:

February 22, 2022
332 explosions in the territory of the DPR, 703 violations of the ceasefire, 1224 explosions in the territory of the LPR, 1224 population of the ceasefire // Report No. 41/2022, OSCE (https://www.osce.org/ru/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/512848)

February 23, 2022
345 explosions in the territory of the DPR, 528 ceasefire violations, 1075 explosions in the territory of the LPR, 1182 ceasefire violations // Report No. 42/2022, OSCE (https://www.osce.org/ru/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/512878)

Simply put, Ukraine shelled Donetsk from Grad February 22, 2022. Even if the direct double casus belli that I mentioned above is not enough for you, this is an indirect casus belli, when Ukraine attacked independent states that have an agreement on friendship and military protection with Russia. Russia regards such an attack as an attack on itself. Russia immediately responded to such a manifestation of military aggression from Ukraine by launching a military special operation.

Since February 21, the war in Donbas has ceased to be an internal affair of Ukraine, and since February 22, it has become a matter for Russia as well.

It is nature's law that one who takes birth has to die according to God will. But today life seems to be in hand of war lords. Who are trading deaths everywhere. No One know how many dreadful deaths we have to see in the days to come. May we all witness the dawn of peace. 

I would definitely consider the attack on Ukraine killing Ukrainian civilians as "not helping". I know that there are Russian trolls and bots online, and I agree that you should be saying that in order to get paid and that is why I understand and that makes sense.

However, the reality is not what you claim to be, it is different and it is not the reality. The reality is that Russia is killing innocent people who had nothing to do with the politics, that is the issue. If there is something Russia hated, then deal with them, deal with people made the decisions, killing innocent Ukrainian’s is not the answer nor would give some response or result to you.

Russia broke international law by invading Donbas and Crimea in 2014.  Since then they have committed genocide against the Ukrainian people.

Since Feb 24, 2022, they intensified their genocidal actions.

The whole world will stop them. First in Ukraine, then in Russia, and all Russian-occupied territories since the 1500s.

Free Caucasus, Komi, Yakutia, and other non-Russian territories!!!

Already so much damage is made and so much trouble has been done.
Still people want Russia to impose more power on Ukraine. War needs to be stopped whatsoever is the case. There is no justification for the war.

I think the short answer would be that Ukraine is too close to Russia for Russia to even consider using it's most deadly weapons on them.  Sure, Russia could nuke Ukraine off the planet, but it would certainly have side effects for their own home as radiation would surely have side effects on their citizens.  Not to mention they would absolutely destroy the land they're trying to take.  It would make no sense whatsoever.  This isn't even touching on the response from other countries. 

What are the plans of Russia?
Why is this war? has Russia achieved what they wanted to achieve? If yes -then there is no need to put bombs on innocent civilians. The war is not the solution - it has to stop no matter what.

Russia's plan is simple.

To kill any anti-Russian opposition in Ukraine and annex its territories to Russia.

Then Russify the Ukrainian lands and erase all Ukrainian culture from the annexed territories.

In two words, establish: "Russian Peace" or "Russkiy Mir".

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically ..


Maybe this is the answer...


USA, Soviet Heated Argument | You Only Live Twice (1967)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFmsfrWJMsQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFmsfrWJMsQ)


... But if it isn't, maybe this is the answer...


A Normal Day In Russia #8
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The reason why Putin is not using it's full force in Ukraine is quite simple. No matter how desperate he is to win the war, he cannot afford to incure the wrath of the UN by making use of nuclear weapons available in his arsenal. Because doing this would also be an infringement on human rights.

Russia is not fighting with powerful country where they have to show their muscles.
They have done enought damage to UKRaine - with only half the force. I think it's time war should end.
From Afghan to Ukraine - endless wars have done so much damage. People want peace. NOW!

Of course, we want peace but the leader of this nation is the key to stopping this nonsense war and all we can do is pray and hope for the leaders to consider doing peace talks rather than wasting ammo and their soldiers in this war. The problem here is, that there are lots of countries supporting Ukraine by sending weapons instead of doing anything they can to force the peace and make Ukraine a living place again for its people and migrants.

Yes - they are sending support but actually they are accelerating war.
I wish if the warlords understand the fact that there so much damage already done to the must hurting world. Hope the things get better. Pakistan too have paid a hefty price of visiting Russia when they were planning to attack Ukraine. Such a mistake.

You have a somewhat distorted view of the information. Although I partially agree, but with an explanation. What did Ukraine do right this time in terms of informational confrontation?
1. They blocked many information dumps of the Russian media, which poured 24x7 wild information nonsense aimed at developing depressive and decadent moods among Ukrainians.
2. They began to publish openly, through all channels, information about the losses of Russian terrorist troops, with photo and video materials. A huge number of real photos and video evidence.
3. Dosed submit information about our losses. But if you want - the data can be found.
As a result, truth and reality were able to block the lies of the Kremlin propaganda. I understand that not everyone likes it :)

Regarding the resources of Russia. Technical - tell me, what can you say about the situation, for example, with tank units? And the situation is such that now they are trying to restore and transfer the almost decommissioned tanks to parts? :) The losses are huge, the costs are huge, production cannot fully replace - sanctions + technological left for Russia .... Human resources "thinned" by almost 1/3 (killed + wounded), from the combat-ready composition before the war. There is no demobilization, but there are coffins in all regions.

Let's say for a minute - enough damage is done. The warlords should take a break now.
The world has suffered so much during last 2 years. Inflation is uncontrollable now this war - this is affecting the whole world. May the powerful understands.

I recommend listening to the rhetoric of Russia's top leadership. You will be surprised, but they want to destroy not only Ukraine, but also the Baltic countries, Poland and others, whom they either considered "their territories" (according to an absolutely delusional, fictional "story"), or classify the country as "not loving Russia" . Therefore, the war should end only with the defeat of Russia, and its subsequent de-fascistization, de-militarization, its division into several independent and devoid of nuclear weapons states, possibly with temporary external control, as was the case with Nazi Germany. Only after that the whole world will breathe easy and live in peace!

PS I hope that this will end, and I give an interesting forecast - after the collapse of Russia, in about 1-2 years, most terrorist organizations will suddenly disappear or "dissolve". Why - think for yourself!

I strongly agree with you that war is not solution of any problem but further aggravates the situation. This war has already created economic problems all over the over the world, fuel $ prices are sky high, inflation is historically high and developing countries like Srilanka are defaulting and many more will fall in the same crisis if this war is not stopped. If Russia is not not using its full force or deadly weapons , it means Putin doesn't want massive killing of human in its neighborhood.

The reality is that armed conflicts regularly occur in the world. War means not being able to solve the problem through diplomacy, but that doesn't mean that war doesn't solve anything. As an extreme method, force pressure can be very effective. And in the context of the financial crisis provoked by the pandemic and extensive quantitative easing programs, war is a good method of solving economic problems. The policy of pacifism and non-resistance to evil in practice only leads to the prosperity of evil. I'm sorry when innocent people die and suffer, life is sometimes very unfair. But there are things that cannot be tolerated and there are things that are worth dying for - even if these things are not physically things.

I apologize for interfering in your dialogue, I will clarify a little. I agree that WAR is a consequence of the failure of diplomatic efforts, negotiations. War ... This is when the army fights against the army, with the aim of either making some decisions, or changing power by force / military means, or resolving territorial disputes. But our situation is different. This is an attempt to DESTROY the country, people, culture. Massacres, and sadistic ones, are not war. This is fascism and terrorism. Deliberate destruction of civilian infrastructure is fascism and terrorism. The systematic, purposeful, total destruction of civilian cities is fascism and terrorism. The purposeful destruction of a nation, its culture, history, language is genocide, fascism and terrorism. According to your logic, it turns out that - the mass, purposeful, murder of Jews by Nazi Germany, is it just "not agreed"? No, this is called genocide and fascism! In our reality, genocide as a consequence of terrorism and rashism. Let's be honest about the situation!

I would rather agree to call Kyiv's policy towards the Russian-speaking population of Donbass a genocide than Russia's actions towards Ukraine. Calls to be honest should come from an honest person, and your brain is clouded by propaganda and it seems you perceive the projections of your internal complexes as reality. The easiest way is to shift from a sick head to a healthy one, but this will not cure a sick head. The operation in Ukraine will continue until Russia fully achieves its goals, be patient.

Those. , in your opinion, genocide is the definition of the state language? And the mass sadistic murders of the inhabitants of a certain country - is it so-so self-indulgence? Conscience does not torment? It seems that the conscience and ideas of the Russian world are different realities.

By the way - well, tell me, a citizen of Ukraine, Russian, Russian-speaking, and other forum participants, what kind of "genocide" was arranged here in Ukraine in relation to the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine? :) Only with facts! (this means you will have to do absolutely without propaganda blanks :) )

The result, or finale, of Russian aggression will be denazification, demilitarization, defascistization, deputinization, derashistization of Russia itself :)


PS. By the way, a question! It turns out in Russia the genocide of all peoples, except for the "Russians" so to speak? The state language in Russia is Russian? Where is Tatar, where is Hebrew, where is Ukrainian and Udmurt? Pure water genocide is obtained!

Russia is finally doing something they should have done years ago.

Russia is a new country. It's only been about 30 years since the Soviet Union fell. All this time - but especially these last few years - former Soviet countries have been killing Russians out of vengeance for Stalin.

Putin has been calling on the US for ages to stop supporting those countries that are killing her people. With Trump, he was finally having some success. But big money didn't like that. They want the wealth of Siberia. So they saw to it Trump was ousted, and inimical Biden regime was stuck in there.

The American people are wonderful people... as are the Russian people and the Ukrainian people. They are being lied to by their governments and by the media. Time to clean house on all these evil government leaders, not pick on nations that are as ignorant as you are.

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Adolf Putin is a Russian supremacist armed with nuclear weapons. His understanding of the international relations is no different of how a Gangster sees the streets of a city: there to be taken.

In this case, he has achieved a marginal territorial gain in exchange for:

- Rearming Europe.
- Potentially extending by several thousand miles the NATO border with Russia and his puppets.
- Getting sanctions like never seen before, more to come.
- Expelling himself for many of the international organisations and being non-grata in most of the civilised world.
- Destroying the commercial reputation of Russia by not honouring contracts and alienating customers.

The US cannot ever thank this despot enough.

If Marx and Lenin and the many others of their caliber heard you say this stuff, they would be rolling around laughing in their graves.

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EDIT: Well, not Lenin, of course. He's in that mausoleum - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin%27s_Mausoleum.

Perhaps you will be very surprised, but in Russia 37 languages have the status of a state language.

You can give them whatever status, Adolf Putin is a Russian ethnic supremacist that despises all the minorities, which are for the main part excluded from the government ranks and decisions. Not only that, the lowest ranks of troops and the ones that are sent to die in suicide missions are mostly from the eastern regions. The people from Moscow and St Petersburg are underrepresented in the lower ranks and certainly underrepresented in the death toll.

Also, the conscription service in Russia excludes precisely the people who have best contacts and more money by simply not recruiting people who can afford to go to University. Those who have the right contacts can join the officer's schools and -believe it or not - are excluded from going directly to conflicts as they are "training".

This is how madness inside the madness works in Putin's Reich Tzardom.

If they have not used full force and they have done this much damage - why are people asking to use the whole force?
Have they gone crazy - this is not bullfighting or cock fighting - this will kill people. However Ukraine did not come slow as they got so much military aid. And attached Russian tanks like pro.

^^^ Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically ..


Vodka. The answer has to be Vodka.      :D

Already it seems you don’t know what to come up with in your attacks of chronic Russophobia. For some reason, tattoos with a swastika are on the Ukrainian Nazis, and the main villain here is still Putin.

Where did I say Russians or the people of Russia? This is Adolf Putin and the bunch of Psychos that conform his government and the army, not the Russians as such. You are perfectly aware that what I say is true. Moscow never wanted any development in the eastern regions. They get plenty of cheap labour and army cannon fodder and giving these people an opportunity would shift the power balance from Moscow. What did you think? That the rest of the world does not know about how Adolf Putin manages Russia?

Not only I am not Russophobe, but I seem to be the only one here who is trying to let young people in Russia what happens when they sign or are forced to sign into Adolf Piutin's army - They are sent to be grinded and burned. If any of their friends and relatives read this, at least they cannot say they did not know.

Your repeated repetition of the same thought becomes tiresome. It seems this is from the Goebbels manual, that if you lie a hundred times, then the lie becomes the truth?

There is no mobilization in Russia, professional soldiers are involved in the operation. There have already been four waves of mobilization in Ukraine, and now the fifth one is underway. Ukrainian men aged 18 to 60 have a difficult choice - to die, go to jail or be captured by Russians. Russian men have a simpler choice, you can continue to live as you lived before.

I am so sorry that I am not amusing you - really my goal in life is to entertain people like you and make them have a great time and feel good about themselves. Oh... no no ... that is Russian TV not me, my mistake. I got confused when you asked when a lie becomes truth, that is much more your style.

None of what you say disproves anything of what I say. If a Russian decides to sign for service, he must be aware that this is an ugly war, with many resemblances to the trench war of WWI and also know that the moment the US decides that it has been enough there will be nothing between him and a guided bomb. Do you have any doubt that US can stop this war whenever they wish?

I doubt Biden is able to find his own dick in his pants to piss.

Biden is not governing the US silly boy.

Give him a break, Russia has had maybe ~10 years of not-entirely-authoritarian regime in its entire history. He doesn't know any better.

The problem with democracy is that it quickly degenerates into idiocracy. Look at the USA and Western Europe - this is some kind of den of homosexuals and drug addicts. Okay, Biden is an idiot senile, but his advisers and assistants are not much better. Western politicians have been shredded and turned into clowns and political prostitutes who engage in populism and lobbying for the interests of large corporations (which is veiled corruption). Don't tell me this is a good role model because it isn't.

Look who's talking! The bigot and propagandist is calling other people dishonest.

I guess we all must be abnormal, because the new normal is calling Jews antisemites and nazis, raping children, stealing refrigerators and washing machines and sending them to Russia, killing dogs and eating them, running people over with tanks, leaving your wounded to die, burying your fellow soldiers in mass graves and torturing prisoners. We are all brainwashed by the pictures of bombed cities and tanks shooting cyclists with their main gun.

The real truth is that those raped women are making it up, dead children are dolls, that cyclist was a nazi trying to attack the tank, all bombarded cities are CGI, shot down Russian planes and helicopters are repainted Ukrainian machines, all Russian tanks were destroyed by Russians so that they wouldn't fall into enemy hands and Moskva cruiser sunk because it had an accidental fire in one of its magazines.

Yeah who needs freedom, it's overrated. Give peasants a five year plan and they'll steal everything that's not bolted down, drink it all away, and the TV will tell them that they live better than the rotten West.

Has Russia managed to manufacture anything more complex than a pair of socks yet (if that)? Seems like you're having trouble with everything from cars to basic food packaging.



In other news, China doesn't want Russian-registered Boeing/Airbus planes in its airspace (those are the stolen leased planes). So cheap crap from China will also get increasingly difficult to acquire.

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/27/05/2022/6290b53a9a7947300bc0fc87

Oh and before you say "railroads" - Siemens pulled train maintenance contracts so it's gonna be back to 1960s there too.

That's what Russia's "full force" looks like.

The average Russian may have started to notice some effects from sanctions - "the latest iPhone in Russia is... the one you have in your hand". But they are just not realising how bad this can get when extended for years.

Today, I spoke with an Iranian about the effect of the sanctions due to the failure to implement a nuclear deal with US - curiously linked to some of the requirement on regards to collaboration with Russia. The country has gone down economically like never before, people are really frustrated, afraid and struggling everyday.

All those "Z" supremacists that are supporting Adolf Putin's war of aggression have been so brainwashed into believing that nothing can touch them that reality is going to hit them like a precision GU bomb laser-guided into their anal orifices.

I think there are other countries involved too in destabilizing Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Palestine.
These warlord want to the world to rule the way they want, for this they can go to any extend,Russia is not Iran and they will fight back no matter what.

In the homeland of democracy in ancient Greece, each democrat had several slaves. Modern Western democracy is not far from its progenitor. Winston Churchill once said that: “democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried”. I do not idealize Putin, but you do not idealize Western democracy either, whose welfare is based on the robbery of former colonies.

Well, then Russia will have to liberate, in addition to Donbass, Germany or Japan. ;D

Curious that you mention about slavery and domination Russia did not abolish serfdom until 1906 (https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-world-history-of-slavery/russian-slavery-and-serfdom-14501804/913BE836084D8FA66B76BFBAADF77BB1) (Yep, that is the XXth century). A long tradition of telling people where and how can they live seems to be part of the idiosyncrasy. Only Austria-Hungary keep it longer I see to recall.

Idiocracy is created when people forget that you do need to educate everyone to keep a healthy democracy and that it is not something you can take for granted. Despots occur naturally and have to be controlled by having healthy and powerful checks and balances to avoid things like eliminating free press or, for example, getting people to storm on the buildings when the outcome is not to your liking.

Nothing new really...

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/03/donald-trump-julius-caesar-433956 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/03/donald-trump-julius-caesar-433956)

Earlier when it was Covid - the world looked like a horrible place like in the move World War Z. The world was in chaos during COVID.
When that war of COVID ended - there came and other war Russia and Ukraine. There was another war of US and Afghan which ended abruptly after 20 years. And it also did so much damage - I live in a region which was not part of any war yet badly badly affected.

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically ..


Russia understands this fact, that they have already won.



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I really don't understand what did Allied forces gain from Afghan war, did it eliminate terrorism or restored democratic rule in Afghanistan. Unfortunately no targeted objective was achieved and same Taliban are ruling Afghanistan again who were ruling there before Allied forces came in. The economic situation in Afghanistan is getting worse, food shortage and collapsing health care system is an alarming situation which needs urgent attention of humanitarian organization. I am afraid prolonging war in Ukraine and economic sanctions on Russia can also disrupt food supply and create food shortage all over the world.

You look at this as east vs west or communism vs democracy.

It is not. This is the price of oil is mooned.

The players USA/Nato vs Russia/China the chip or tool Ukraine 🇺🇦

The goal is really high cost oil.

As Prez Bush once said mission accomplished.

You are absolutely right, the true cause behind wars during the past 20 years has been vested interest of increasing oil prices or taking control of oil resources which is very unfortunate for developing countries. The economies of many developing countries are on the brink of collapse due to sky rocking price of oil which has massively disturbed their foreign exchange reserves. We have recently  witnessed fall out  Sri Lankan government due to economic crisis and it is likely to happen in many more countries if oil prices continue rising.

A short answer is: Russia's using as much weapons and soldiers as it can afford to allocate for this war. If they will use more force they will start losing their own territories starting from Chechnya where Putin's henchmen can control the region only with the help of Russian army.

Heard that Putin is unwell and that he is suffering from a rare cancer and his body is shaking already.
Putin must rest now and transfer the power to someone else - who really thinks that peace is possible and rather than deadlock one should go for dialogue.

These rumors have been going on for so long, that it's starting to sound like some sort of FSB fairy tale designed to make people think "hey, the guy is ill, it's not his fault that things are going bad", or "just wait a little bit more, he's gonna croak soon and everything will be fine".

I'll believe it when he's buried (or pickled next to Lenin).

 After invading Ukraine Putin has had shaky media appearances and has been described — with varying reliability — as suffering from everything from Parkinson's disease to dementia. These are speculation in main stream and social media (but not confirmed by any reliable source) that he is suffering from some type of cancer or Parkinson's disease but we know that truth is the first victim when war breaks out so hard to believe what is being reported.

https://www.businessinsider.com/timeline-putin-alleged-health-problems-2022-5

It was mentioned somewhere and they said Putin in not feeling well and he is unwell.
However Russia is using all its power to capture  the Eastern City. There are so many casualties  and they have been pushed back by Russian, let's take out sometime to pray for Ukraine.

I think that's the main problem: he wants to be in power always, till the end of days, this demented idiot. And people around him, I mean, the inner circle, they don't mind because they have billions of US dollars for their loyalty.


Thank you for your words of support! You can't imagine how painful it is to read some "justifications" of this bloody invasion, and how much it feels good to see words like yours.

I hope the world will restore peace once again. There is a dire need for the war lord and thing what they have done to the world. They have changed the face of map - It is now noticed that people don't die natural death, they die in war and attacks. This remind us of the days of the stone ages where the war lord use to build tower of skill, same thing is happening now

Back at the time of Genghis Khan, the Russian lands were ruled by the Tatars. The whole Northern Hemisphere was influenced by them, and the northern lands into Canada were ruled by them. Genghis Khan and his hordes broke them up and brought them under his rule. All they want is to get back to their former power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/who-are-the-tartar-people.html

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Enough damage has been done to the Ukraine - and so much will happen in the coming days.
Lots and lots of damage has been done to the EU as well but Russia is still not convinced to do what the other countries want to do for them. Maybe USA thinks that Russia is Pakistan - which will do as directed.

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically ..


I suspect that Russia sees the weakness that is Ukraine, and is letting its new recruits practice on Ukrainian soil. I mean, these new kids need to get their feet wet a little before they can go on to full scale war.



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It's basically USSR vs Finland 2.0 (c.f. WWII)

No fighting morale (at that time, it was because most of the officers were purged by Stalin, I'm not sure if something similar happened in recent years inside Russia).

That basically means even if you fight numerically smaller amount of troops, your own troops can't efficiently co-ordinate their tactics and as a result get quashed individually by the highly alert and spirited Ukrainians.

Also:

Russia was basically trying to blitzkreig into Kiev from my understanding, just like USSR modeled its finland invasion as one as well, but both of these blitzkreigs failed, and turned into savage wars lasting for several months (including winter seasons in the case of Finland).

I heard winters inside Russia/USSR were really bad, so I have no idea how the Russians will be able to cope with the extreme cold of winter when that rolls around. Maybe they will endure one or two seasons of winter, and then retreat everywhere because the losses were so heavy.

While EU stood up to support Ukraine. And Then the countries which stayed neutral. Sri lanka and Pakistan. You can see the political instability and the crisis going on there. The USA and EU wanted all the world to do what they wanted. Are they going to help these countries now which are going through economic instability? Because of Russia and Ukraine war.

Russia's actions are simply similar to all the worldwide police actions that the US has been doing way back to the time of the Korean War. Of course, Russia has been doing similar things as have other nations. This one is getting noticed the way it is, because of the US Government controlled media... which is lying and deceiving in all the things they are saying about this Russian police action.

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Even after Russia has not used their full force - what would happen if they use their full force.
already there is so much agony there. Why are people asking to use the full force - rather ask them to ceasefire and get rid of the war.

The basic answers to your question are found here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5402264.msg60369380#msg60369380

and here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5402264.msg60369557#msg60369557

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The point you have mentioned here is so true - Ukraine has become a playful slap for Russia.  And USA used them very nicely. Also EU also played the part.
And this game of tug of war has placed the whole world in so much trouble and stress. USA will not stop imposing their power on other and will keep suppressing others.

You seem to forget the part about the Ukraine "playfully" slapping Russia for all these years... like, "You gave us (Ukraine) our freedom back when the USSR collapsed. Now, we want more."

This playful slapping might have gone on back and forth for decades longer, if the US and other countries hadn't decided to take advantage of a weakened Ukraine.

Russia could have easily overthrown the Ukraine a decade ago. But they didn't, because that's not the way they are doing things any longer. It's the US and Western Europe that are responsible for the troubles. Russia is simply protecting national security. The best defense is a good offense. Ukraine is simple the playing field for the war between the US and Russia... partly because Zelensky was stupid enough to involve the US in Ukraine/Russia affairs.

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Russia is already the most discussed country - the impact Russia has made is very strong.
Already there is so much damage done to Ukraine. The things are already out of control. .

When you get right down to the basics of this war, the reason why Russia isn't doing an all-out war against Ukraine is because, the US isn't pushing them into it as hard as they were before.

The Ukraine-NATO thing might have been put on hold. Promised funds from the US are dwindling. Armament transfer is slowing down. Americans are waking up to the Joe and Hunter Ukraine money laundering schemes, and to the fact that the US built up 46 Wuhan-style labs in the Ukraine. Many Americans are scared of the Russian Satan nuclear missiles. Biden's popularity is way down.

As long as it looks like the US is separating ties with Ukraine like this, why would Russia even want to do a full scale war?

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Russia has proved to the world - they are very important, and they can affect world's economy.
The world cannot process with the oil and gas. USA has played a very horrible game in all this situation. They also have wanted the EU to do as they like and brough so much trouble to the world already.