Russia's economy is 'imploding' on export decline, economists claim

[Sithara007]

You are slightly distorting the actual events. Ukraine has successfully resisted a full-scale military invasion of Russia for 125 days. To date, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the following have been destroyed:
- 35,250 Russian soldiers and officers,
- 1567 tanks,
- 3704 armored vehicles,
- 217 aircraft,
- 185 helicopters,
- 778 artillery systems,
- 243 multiple launch rocket systems,
- 102 air defense systems,
- 2589 automotive equipment,
- 636 UAVs,
- 14 ships and boats, etc.
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LOL.... BBC has given the figure of around ~4,000 deaths for the Russian Armed Forces and PMC Wagner (DNR/LNR lost another 4,000 men, but these are Ukrainian citizens). On the other hand, more than 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed so far, and around 15,000 have been taken prisoner. Western media has been telling for a long time that Russia is running out of ammunition and cruise missiles. And now the Ukrainians are complaining that they are being out-shelled and cruise missiles are raining on their cities.

[Pomogator]

In my opinion, the Russian economy will not collapse due to the imposition of Western sanctions.  

However, Russia is threatened with the "archaization" of the economy.  

At the same time, cars, trains, planes, and trains were produced in the USSR.  All this functioned without the use of modern electronics.  The Russians have the opportunity to gradually restore their heavy industry and even machine tool building. The economy will function.

However, in the field of microelectronics and modern technologies, Russia are hopelessly behind the countries of the Western world.

In the Soviet Union at that time there was a very modern production of products and equipment, perhaps due to the fact that it was aimed at the domestic market, it was so specific. I really agree with you that Russia will no longer catch up with the world of microprocessor engineering, and this is sad.

[pooya87]

You are slightly distorting the actual events. Ukraine has successfully resisted a full-scale military invasion of Russia for 125 days.
It can be said that in four months Russia has not achieved any significant military successes in Ukraine.

I hope Ukraine can resist the invaders and take back their country but the actual events you think I'm distorting is that Russia has achieved most of its goals. Parts of Eastern Ukraine and the the strategically important South is already occupied, a little more and they'll reach Moldova finishing the first phase of the plan which is completely cutting Ukraine off from Black Sea.

You could imagine it as a useless treaty, there are many many Russian trolls all around the world

Probably all the Spanish people protesting in the streets these days in the anti-NATO rally who think it is a not only a useless treaty but it is tearing their country apart are also Russian trolls

we are talking about TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars worth of help to Ukraine during this war.

About 40 years ago we were invaded and were being bombed every day. Meanwhile thousands of kilometers away another country that we consider a friend was invaded, they lost half of their country, their military fell very fast and the capital was surrounded and it was about to fall too. We sent them a handful of military experts (while we were still fighting ourselves against 80 countries) and shortly after they liberated their whole country by kicking the invaders out.
We are talking about ZERO dollars here.

The point is that it's important who your friends are, whether they are fake ones pretending to spend BILLIONS in aids or real ones that effectively help.
In fact our Red Crescent (that's the Iranian humanitarian organization) has been sending all the help we can manage to Ukraine from day one without hesitation or expectation. That is despite the fact that Ukraine is part of the same coalition against Iran that has imposed more than 5000 sanctions against Iranians preventing us from importing any kind of medical supplies whatsoever for decades.

[Sithara007]

I hope Ukraine can resist the invaders and take back their country but the actual events you think I'm distorting is that Russia has achieved most of its goals. Parts of Eastern Ukraine and the the strategically important South is already occupied, a little more and they'll reach Moldova finishing the first phase of the plan which is completely cutting Ukraine off from Black Sea.

Be careful when you use the term "invader". There was a recent video posted by France24 YouTube channel. It showed residents of Lysychansk celebrating the Russian victories in Severodonetsk and Zolote and were openly cursing the Ukrainian soldiers. It is clear that at least a part of the Eastern Ukrainians view the UAF as the invaders and the Russians as liberators. Without adequate local support, Russia would have struggled to hold on to such huge swathes of territory. Despite the initial rumors, residents of Kherson and Donbass are not rioting against the Russian rule. 

[pooya87]

I hope Ukraine can resist the invaders and take back their country but the actual events you think I'm distorting is that Russia has achieved most of its goals. Parts of Eastern Ukraine and the the strategically important South is already occupied, a little more and they'll reach Moldova finishing the first phase of the plan which is completely cutting Ukraine off from Black Sea.

Be careful when you use the term "invader". There was a recent video posted by France24 YouTube channel. It showed residents of Lysychansk celebrating the Russian victories in Severodonetsk and Zolote and were openly cursing the Ukrainian soldiers. It is clear that at least a part of the Eastern Ukrainians view the UAF as the invaders and the Russians as liberators. Without adequate local support, Russia would have struggled to hold on to such huge swathes of territory. Despite the initial rumors, residents of Kherson and Donbass are not rioting against the Russian rule. 

I do understand the fact that nearly half of Ukraine are pro-Russia, I also understand the reasons for the conflict including how Ukraine had become a security threat not just to Russia but to the whole world. There is a lot more I can't even mention here.

But none of that changes the fact that this is still an invasion since at the end of the day Ukraine is a sovereign nation being attacked by a foreign force. It would be double standard to call it anything else just like how I argued not so long ago that what Ukraine did in Iraq for years was criminal and an invasion where they killed innocent people, it doesn't matter if they call it a "peacekeeping mission" or some Iraqis wanted the dictator removed.

[Sithara007]

I do understand the fact that nearly half of Ukraine are pro-Russia, I also understand the reasons for the conflict including how Ukraine had become a security threat not just to Russia but to the whole world. There is a lot more I can't even mention here.

But none of that changes the fact that this is still an invasion since at the end of the day Ukraine is a sovereign nation being attacked by a foreign force. It would be double standard to call it anything else just like how I argued not so long ago that what Ukraine did in Iraq for years was criminal and an invasion where they killed innocent people, it doesn't matter if they call it a "peacekeeping mission" or some Iraqis wanted the dictator removed.

Well... I sort of agree. I can accept the fact that this war involves one sovereign nation invading another. But NATO complaining about it is like pot calling the kettle black. That said, half of the deaths from the Russian side comes from Ukrainian citizens fighting for DNR and LNR, and also among the former members of the Ukrainian Communist Party who were kicked out of Ukraine in 2014. In a way, Russia can claim that they were just assisting a section of Ukrainians, in their fight against another section.

[DrBeer]

... in Nuremberg, not only the direct ideologists of Nazism, but also propagandists were sentenced to capital punishment. Russian propaganda must be given its due - they outdid Nazi propaganda. But if the Nazi played on the feelings of people and "greatness", then the Russian one aimed to create a fake information field, fake greatness, and make sheep out of people.
I read the posts of some victims of Russian propaganda - I see evidence of my words, and the real achievement of the goal, not the genetic transformation of people into sheep
I won’t even spend a short time on facts, arguments, evidence of a real situation, such victims of propaganda - Russian propaganda managed to smooth out the convolutions of their brain 

[lixer]

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LOL.... BBC has given the figure of around ~4,000 deaths for the Russian Armed Forces and PMC Wagner (DNR/LNR lost another 4,000 men, but these are Ukrainian citizens). On the other hand, more than 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed so far, and around 15,000 have been taken prisoner. Western media has been telling for a long time that Russia is running out of ammunition and cruise missiles. And now the Ukrainians are complaining that they are being out-shelled and cruise missiles are raining on their cities.

Well, we could talk about the finer details of numbers if you want, which is there and you decline it and that is your own "opinion" and sure go ahead and do that. But we could also talk about the reality, it has been over 3 months and Russia has failed to takeover Kyiv, which is proof enough that even though they are attacking with more manpower, more gunpowder, and more money, they are still not taking it, is that not enough for you?

This isn't even a pissing contest, you are saying that 30k Ukrainian soldiers are dead, and we all know Russia killed innocent bystanders as well, and you think that is fine? You are fine with that? My god you have no idea what you are saying do you? You are not aware that you are promoting death.

[Sithara007]

Well, we could talk about the finer details of numbers if you want, which is there and you decline it and that is your own "opinion" and sure go ahead and do that. But we could also talk about the reality, it has been over 3 months and Russia has failed to takeover Kyiv, which is proof enough that even though they are attacking with more manpower, more gunpowder, and more money, they are still not taking it, is that not enough for you?

This isn't even a pissing contest, you are saying that 30k Ukrainian soldiers are dead, and we all know Russia killed innocent bystanders as well, and you think that is fine? You are fine with that? My god you have no idea what you are saying do you? You are not aware that you are promoting death.

Being an Indian, I am staying neutral in this conflict. That is, unlike you I am not taking sides. Civilians have been killed on both the sides. Ukrainian army is constantly shelling cities under the control of DNR and LNR, which has resulted in hundreds of deaths ever since the war started. There are numerous instances of Russian and DNR/LNR POWs being tortured and shot at point blank. According to the Russians, there are more than 15,000 Ukrainian POWs in their custody, but the Ukrainian regime refuses to exchange them. And regarding the failure of Russia, from what I heard they are using only around 20% of their strength. Most of the fighting is being done by the militias of LNR and DNR and that is the reason why they have suffered thousands of deaths. Russian army is thinly spread across Kherson, Kharkiv and Zaporizhia, where the intensity is relatively low.

[DrBeer]

Well, we could talk about the finer details of numbers if you want, which is there and you decline it and that is your own "opinion" and sure go ahead and do that. But we could also talk about the reality, it has been over 3 months and Russia has failed to takeover Kyiv, which is proof enough that even though they are attacking with more manpower, more gunpowder, and more money, they are still not taking it, is that not enough for you?

This isn't even a pissing contest, you are saying that 30k Ukrainian soldiers are dead, and we all know Russia killed innocent bystanders as well, and you think that is fine? You are fine with that? My god you have no idea what you are saying do you? You are not aware that you are promoting death.

Being an Indian, I am staying neutral in this conflict. That is, unlike you I am not taking sides. Civilians have been killed on both the sides. Ukrainian army is constantly shelling cities under the control of DNR and LNR, which has resulted in hundreds of deaths ever since the war started. There are numerous instances of Russian and DNR/LNR POWs being tortured and shot at point blank. According to the Russians, there are more than 15,000 Ukrainian POWs in their custody, but the Ukrainian regime refuses to exchange them. And regarding the failure of Russia, from what I heard they are using only around 20% of their strength. Most of the fighting is being done by the militias of LNR and DNR and that is the reason why they have suffered thousands of deaths. Russian army is thinly spread across Kherson, Kharkiv and Zaporizhia, where the intensity is relatively low.

I see - Russian propaganda worked fiercely in India too Hmm ... I didn’t think that everything was so bad ... But how unexpected and bright it would be, then, a little later, an epiphany. It will come to the Indian, and the Kazakh, and the Spaniard and the Greek, and the Congolese and the Chilean - nationality does not affect the perception of reality or the choice of propaganda lies. An alternative reality invented by propagandists always collapses, and the odor and sediment on the soul remains for life ...

[Sithara007]

I see - Russian propaganda worked fiercely in India too Hmm ... I didn’t think that everything was so bad ... But how unexpected and bright it would be, then, a little later, an epiphany. It will come to the Indian, and the Kazakh, and the Spaniard and the Greek, and the Congolese and the Chilean - nationality does not affect the perception of reality or the choice of propaganda lies. An alternative reality invented by propagandists always collapses, and the odor and sediment on the soul remains for life ...

I read BBC News regularly and most of the mainstream media in India have taken a neutral stance on this conflict. Therefore I don't understand why you are claiming that Russian propaganda is working in India. Russia is not asking India to do anything. We, in India have our own preferences and we always do what is beneficial for us. But that doesn't mean that we will do something unethical or immoral. If you are talking about increasing imports, it was initiated by the Indian government (there was no pressure from Russia, and Rosneft even told some of the Indian companies that they don't have any more spare capacity to export crude oil to India).

[TheGreatPython]

You are slightly distorting the actual events. Ukraine has successfully resisted a full-scale military invasion of Russia for 125 days.

He is a Russian troll and nothing more, so there is really no reason to take him seriously. Dude just wants to say "Russia is the best nation in the world" but he is taking a few extra steps while doing that. He means exactly that, but he can't say that directly so he is talking about how the west is bad, and how Ukraine is a fool to believe in the west that invested over 100 billion combined in money and other stuff, so all in all, he has been wrong from the first sentence and he knows it, he is aware of it, he just would not agree to it because he likes to talk about how awesome Russia is and nothing more. This is why we should ignore him.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Be careful when you use the term "invader". There was a recent video posted by France24 YouTube channel. It showed residents of Lysychansk celebrating the Russian victories in Severodonetsk and Zolote and were openly cursing the Ukrainian soldiers. It is clear that at least a part of the Eastern Ukrainians view the UAF as the invaders and the Russians as liberators. Without adequate local support, Russia would have struggled to hold on to such huge swathes of territory. Despite the initial rumors, residents of Kherson and Donbass are not rioting against the Russian rule. 

TBH it's very hard to say what really is story because what you are saying won't be aired on western media like BBC, foxnews or BBC but on pro Russian media. Ukarine was part of Russia not so long ago, so it's very obvious that there are pro Russian elements in ukarine specially in its Eastern part.

[galambo]

I read BBC News regularly and most of the mainstream media in India have taken a neutral stance on this conflict. Therefore I don't understand why you are claiming that Russian propaganda is working in India. Russia is not asking India to do anything. We, in India have our own preferences and we always do what is beneficial for us. But that doesn't mean that we will do something unethical or immoral. If you are talking about increasing imports, it was initiated by the Indian government (there was no pressure from Russia, and Rosneft even told some of the Indian companies that they don't have any more spare capacity to export crude oil to India).

EU boycotted Russian oil and gas and now they want rest of the world to do the same. Those who are not boycotting are criticised for supporting and spreading terrorism. I don't think Russians haven't done there homework before this war and few months of EU boycott would have destroyed there economy.

[Cryptock]

I see - Russian propaganda worked fiercely in India too Hmm ... I didn’t think that everything was so bad ... But how unexpected and bright it would be, then, a little later, an epiphany. It will come to the Indian, and the Kazakh, and the Spaniard and the Greek, and the Congolese and the Chilean - nationality does not affect the perception of reality or the choice of propaganda lies. An alternative reality invented by propagandists always collapses, and the odor and sediment on the soul remains for life ...

I read BBC News regularly and most of the mainstream media in India have taken a neutral stance on this conflict. Therefore I don't understand why you are claiming that Russian propaganda is working in India. Russia is not asking India to do anything. We, in India have our own preferences and we always do what is beneficial for us. But that doesn't mean that we will do something unethical or immoral. If you are talking about increasing imports, it was initiated by the Indian government (there was no pressure from Russia, and Rosneft even told some of the Indian companies that they don't have any more spare capacity to export crude oil to India).

The same stance Pakistani PM took and they were not allowed to be neutral - did you happen to see the latest interview of Prime Minister Imran Khan with Dw's Richard. Where the PM of Pakistan got really angry when the anchor asked about Ukraine and Russia. The fact of the matter is that the PM is responsible for his country men and not the other wars. I am not sure why such discrimination in India and Pakistan.

[og kush420]

LOL.... BBC has given the figure of around ~4,000 deaths for the Russian Armed Forces and PMC Wagner (DNR/LNR lost another 4,000 men, but these are Ukrainian citizens). On the other hand, more than 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed so far, and around 15,000 have been taken prisoner. Western media has been telling for a long time that Russia is running out of ammunition and cruise missiles. And now the Ukrainians are complaining that they are being out-shelled and cruise missiles are raining on their cities.

I think that all is a propaganda - Russia is a very powerful and successful state. They have wheat, oil and gas. Many EU countries depend on them for the supply. Cutting ties with Russia is not a good decision. I like the stance of India - they are neutral and are not sending any country. Because it is their battle let them fight their battle.

[Sithara007]

The same stance Pakistani PM took and they were not allowed to be neutral - did you happen to see the latest interview of Prime Minister Imran Khan with Dw's Richard. Where the PM of Pakistan got really angry when the anchor asked about Ukraine and Russia. The fact of the matter is that the PM is responsible for his country men and not the other wars. I am not sure why such discrimination in India and Pakistan.

Same questions were asked to the Indian foreign minister (Subrahmanyam Jaishankar) when he attended the Globsec 2022 Bratislava forum. He made it clear that India needs to put its own interest first. This is a proxy war between Russia and the NATO. Why developing nations such as India and Pakistan need to pay for it? At this point, India is receiving crude from Russia at the rate of $80 per barrel (which is 100% higher than the prices we had in 2020). We have made it very clear. If some other country can provide us crude at this rate, then we don't need to import crude all the way from Russia (it takes almost one month for tankers to travel from Russia to India).

[Cryptock]

The same stance Pakistani PM took and they were not allowed to be neutral - did you happen to see the latest interview of Prime Minister Imran Khan with Dw's Richard. Where the PM of Pakistan got really angry when the anchor asked about Ukraine and Russia. The fact of the matter is that the PM is responsible for his country men and not the other wars. I am not sure why such discrimination in India and Pakistan.

Same questions were asked to the Indian foreign minister (Subrahmanyam Jaishankar) when he attended the Globsec 2022 Bratislava forum. He made it clear that India needs to put its own interest first. This is a proxy war between Russia and the NATO. Why developing nations such as India and Pakistan need to pay for it? At this point, India is receiving crude from Russia at the rate of $80 per barrel (which is 100% higher than the prices we had in 2020). We have made it very clear. If some other country can provide us crude at this rate, then we don't need to import crude all the way from Russia (it takes almost one month for tankers to travel from Russia to India).

Good thing done by Indians. I am not sure why the powerful are suppressing the weak countries all the time and dictate what they have to do and what not to do.
 I have a question - does military plays a role in Indian politics? or is it a democratic state?

[rahmad2nd]

EU boycotted Russian oil and gas and now they want rest of the world to do the same. Those who are not boycotting are criticised for supporting and spreading terrorism. I don't think Russians haven't done there homework before this war and few months of EU boycott would have destroyed there economy.

The European Union made efforts to gradually weaken the Russian economy in various ways, one of which was a boycott of oil and gas, Nato voiced it for all countries to support this policy. although the European Union was affected by the boycott. there is a lot of propaganda in this conflict both countries do it. There are many interests that have happened in this I think, I can only feel and think how unfortunate it is for those who are victims, who do not know anything about the problem of the conflict but are affected by it.

[Argoo]

You are slightly distorting the actual events. Ukraine has successfully resisted a full-scale military invasion of Russia for 125 days. To date, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the following have been destroyed:
- 35,250 Russian soldiers and officers,
- 1567 tanks,
- 3704 armored vehicles,
- 217 aircraft,
- 185 helicopters,
- 778 artillery systems,
- 243 multiple launch rocket systems,
- 102 air defense systems,
- 2589 automotive equipment,
- 636 UAVs,
- 14 ships and boats, etc.
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LOL.... BBC has given the figure of around ~4,000 deaths for the Russian Armed Forces and PMC Wagner (DNR/LNR lost another 4,000 men, but these are Ukrainian citizens). On the other hand, more than 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed so far, and around 15,000 have been taken prisoner. Western media has been telling for a long time that Russia is running out of ammunition and cruise missiles. And now the Ukrainians are complaining that they are being out-shelled and cruise missiles are raining on their cities.

The above figures of Russians killed in Ukraine, which were announced by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the amount of 35,250 people, are not the total losses of Russia as of June 28. The Armed Forces of Ukraine cites confirmed losses without taking into account the number of wounded.
However, at that time, according to the classified data of the Russian Ministry of Defense and which was cited in the press by the former Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Avakov, Russia lost much more in manpower, namely: 48,800 people, of which 37,500 were directly Russian military personnel, 9,500 members of a private military company Wagner (now PMC "Liga") and 1800 employees of the Russian Guard. No one counts the dead mobilized residents of the unrecognized DPR and LPR, but there are about 10,000 casualties there. And not counting the wounded. And the advancing army usually does not have a set loss for one killed three wounded. If we consider that in Russia there are approximately 50,000 military dead, then there will be more than 100,000 wounded.

The last days have been especially fruitful for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in enemy technology. The Russians went with large forces to the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, deciding to arrange the Kursk Bulge-2 for the Ukrainians (one of the largest tank battles on the eastern front during the Second World War). The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation tried to break through the defense of the Ukrainians with armor and fire. The paratroopers of the 80th separate air assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine distinguished themselves here. In total, in two days of fighting on July 6 and 7, 37 Russian tanks, 22 armored vehicles and 16 artillery systems were destroyed.
Russia is running out of steam in this war. Let's see what happens in a few more months.