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June 09, 2022, 11:23:38 PM
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The second half of year we might be getting a relief rally towards that time, maybe if FED should take a brief on interest rate hyke.
If that does not happen and they continue with raising the interest trying roll off the blansheet, we will continue to get pump and dump until they pull out that rug, thereby eventually sliding into 2023 where we will start creeping up at little until 2024 halving.
That is what I'm thinking and I think we are still just in the middle of the bear season. Never be the FED could help to have the rally again, I was waiting for the whales to become active again as they are more influential than them. Until we don't hear any from them just like they did before, we don't expect the market to rally again.

Well, if we could see the past bear season, it takes for almost 3 years to be in spike again. We are just at the start, therefore, we still about to see the market like this until the end of this year.

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June 10, 2022, 05:51:40 AM
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Bullish is what I am expecting for the upcoming second half for sure. If we had a time to drop this low during the first half of it, then why shouldn't be capable of increasing back again for the upcoming period? It is totally possible for all of us to see something like that happen again. I am not saying that we are going to see 100k or 200k or something like that, it may not happen like that.

But at the very least we could see like 50k+? I mean would that be so hard to achieve, it should be something quite simpler and we would be able to make a lot more profitable decisions based on that. Hopefully we would be doing a bit better in the short term, like during summer, at least 40k, and then during autumn we would do like 50k+ and get in 2023 with an increasing momentum.

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June 10, 2022, 06:05:21 AM
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Many TA speculators sees the price has bottomed. I would expect the price to jump high.

If it weren't for those wallstreet guys trying to liquidate the leverage traders to hit thier margin call. BTC may actually go up by now. JPmorgan estimated the actual value of BTC is actaully $38K. Maybe they tend to lure people to go for futures and they're trying to liquidate those traders.

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June 10, 2022, 06:05:28 AM
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The second half  of the year 2022 is indecisive for now because the bitcoin chart is looking too noisy and there is no strong candle to suggest any new upward trend even on higher time frame. I think the end of June will give a clearer picture of what to expect in the second half, a major breakout will tell where the market will possibly move next for now the month of June might either be choppy or range trend.
It seems difficult for us to predict what will happen to bitcoin towards the end of the middle of this year, the many pressures that exist in the market make the price of bitcoin experience a significant decline unexpectedly, just like all of us here, I hope if the price of bitcoin can get back on the trend positive that is able to push the price of bitcoin back up later and at the end of june maybe we will see if whether our expectations will be fulfilled or not at all.
In the middle of this year, there is no sign of bitcoin going up again but the price tends to stabilize in the $28k-$31k price range and we can only hope the price can rise again at the end of June or next month.
But maybe the one that will go up first is the altcoin but it could also be bitcoin and this is still a mystery because there is no definite sign about this.
With so much support from many parties, it makes the journey of bitcoin even more difficult to predict and we must be more careful when entering the market.
We can expect the bitcoin price to rise again at the end of June and better prepare ourselves for its arrival.

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June 10, 2022, 07:35:15 AM
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I expect stagnation and slow decline. With this global economic turmoil, high risk assets don't seem attractive to many investors. Most of the doomers have likely already sold, so the price shouldn't fall below $20k, I'd expect it to slide to 24-25k and stay there. The true bull market will come somewhere in 2024, together with new halvening.
There can be global turmoil but this is not what will affect the crypto market to go bearish, even if the global economy is good, we should still expect further decline as crypto price generally, it happens in 2014 and 2018 and their first 5 months we had this year almost correlate with the past time, I will not be surprised at all the see further decline of crypto price. A time may come that the 4 year cycle may not occur, but not this time, not this year.

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June 10, 2022, 08:20:59 AM
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The second half  of the year 2022 is indecisive for now because the bitcoin chart is looking too noisy and there is no strong candle to suggest any new upward trend even on higher time frame. I think the end of June will give a clearer picture of what to expect in the second half, a major breakout will tell where the market will possibly move next for now the month of June might either be choppy or range trend.
It seems difficult for us to predict what will happen to bitcoin towards the end of the middle of this year, the many pressures that exist in the market make the price of bitcoin experience a significant decline unexpectedly, just like all of us here, I hope if the price of bitcoin can get back on the trend positive that is able to push the price of bitcoin back up later and at the end of june maybe we will see if whether our expectations will be fulfilled or not at all.
In the middle of this year, there is no sign of bitcoin going up again but the price tends to stabilize in the $28k-$31k price range and we can only hope the price can rise again at the end of June or next month.
But maybe the one that will go up first is the altcoin but it could also be bitcoin and this is still a mystery because there is no definite sign about this.
With so much support from many parties, it makes the journey of bitcoin even more difficult to predict and we must be more careful when entering the market.
We can expect the bitcoin price to rise again at the end of June and better prepare ourselves for its arrival.

Rise at the end of June? That's pretty early actually.
I'm not expecting any bullish trend this year, Bitcoin going sideways indicates buying pressure and selling pressure becomes even. People thinks, $30k would be close to the bottom, while traders sell above $30k.
I should say, Bitcoin will have another run next year or some time near the halving.

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June 10, 2022, 07:52:03 PM
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Many TA speculators sees the price has bottomed. I would expect the price to jump high.

If it weren't for those wallstreet guys trying to liquidate the leverage traders to hit thier margin call. BTC may actually go up by now. JPmorgan estimated the actual value of BTC is actaully $38K. Maybe they tend to lure people to go for futures and they're trying to liquidate those traders.

There is this particular website, can't be bothered to look it up, I want to say CoinIdol or DailyHodl but don't want to get libelous ha ha. Posting about two or three TA type news picked up from rando Tweets, followers varying from 10-500k..

But yeah, TA speculators are aplenty. All due respect and I know they mostly are sharing for the discussion but just gathering the daily items on these sites, you know it is always 50-50 in most cases.

But this time, the majority just from what pokes out at me actually believes the bottom is not in yet.

Plenty of fear still lining the notes on the TA.

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June 10, 2022, 11:15:48 PM
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We're in the middle of the 4-year cycle.

What kind of mid-cycle are we talking about and where do these cycles come from and why, after the market recently reached the new ATH, is this the middle of a cycle? Can you elaborate on this, this is the first time I hear this theory?

I calculate the cycle from halving to halving. 4 years.
A rough calculation tells that at around 1.5 years after halving there's the ATH and the downtrend starts, after one more year (more or less) it's basically in the crypto winter and from that point we're getting slowly back to bullish trend, and in 1.5 years there's halving again.
Am I wrong?
We're on the cyclic pattern of market movements. Similar thing happened during the previous halving. The price crashed down to $3k range and bounced back marking the Ath price when the traditional market is facing the hard time out of the pandemic. The upcoming halving is scheduled for month of March 2024. This down market seems to continue till the end of 3rd quarter which is September.

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June 11, 2022, 02:47:08 AM
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Rise at the end of June? That's pretty early actually.
I'm not expecting any bullish trend this year, Bitcoin going sideways indicates buying pressure and selling pressure becomes even. People thinks, $30k would be close to the bottom, while traders sell above $30k.
I should say, Bitcoin will have another run next year or some time near the halving.
Who knows, the price may rise again even though it hasn't been able to get back close to the last ATH, that will be okay.
At the very least, we can get a hefty profit if the bitcoin price can rise to the $40k-$50k range.
But the current trend indicates that the bitcoin price will still move sideways and there is still a chance for profit.
There is a lot of speculation that bitcoin will drop to the $20k-$23k price range but hopefully, that's not really the case.

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There is a lot of speculation that bitcoin will drop to the $20k-$23k price range but hopefully, that's not really the case.
Whenever bitcoin price doesn't rise (remains stable) there is a lot of fake speculation that talk about a bigger drop. Remember a couple of years ago when price was stuck at $3k range and wasn't able to break the $4k resistance? By that time there were hundreds of speculation saying "bitcoin will drop to $1k" but we all know what happened instead.

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June 11, 2022, 07:11:11 AM
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I'm expecting to take the price of 40k as the highest we can reach this end year  because I know that this 2022 is a harder year since we have freshly comes from the Bull market so expected that this year and the next to be harder for all of us.

but if we can make it 50k? then I will be glad as I am planning to get out this year to wait for 2023 as surely market will fall more till 2025 .

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Does it matter?
Zoom out and you will notice that just waiting 4-8 years is certain profit

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Well i guess I was wrong I figured it would trade sideways or at least make it to the low $30Ks however it broke the yearly low just now.

It seems with the massive CPI and the mess with Celcius network, many people are panicking and just exiting crypto all together. Many people think are recession is near so they want to cash out with what remaining money they have. Scary times are coming.

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June 15, 2022, 07:27:13 AM
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Now there is an active phase of washing out even the strongest hands.

We hoped that crypto winter will not come this time, but it came. Of course strong hands are also affected. Maybe some did their math and expect 7x fall like in the previous cycle. Then they can sell now 1 BTC and buy 2 BTC in the near future (unless the reality won't go by their math  Cheesy ).

However, I don't think I've seen fear index so low. We're at 7 today.

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June 15, 2022, 07:32:57 PM
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We hoped that crypto winter will not come this time, but it came.

Who are "we? It’s impossible without a crypto winter

I am sure that this latest plunge has caught many off-guard. Wink

However, I've done some effort and found one of the discussions on this topic I had in the past, discussions that maybe we have this year a softer (if any) crypto winter.
One of the posts is this one, but you can easily look up there for the entire discussion on the matter.

The point there was that - because of the institutional investors and maybe too because Bitcoin markets become more mature with every passing year - the highs should no longer be so spectacular, and the lows too should no longer be so depressing. So one idea was back then that maybe what was in April was a weak crypto winter (more like an autumn than a winter) and maybe in the next cycles it'll be even softer.

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June 15, 2022, 07:53:10 PM
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In this winter, we have already lost 70% of the value. I also read opinions that this time the correction will not exceed 55% and will stop at around 28-30k

Yep, this is what I was talking about.
Now I pretty much fear that the price may fall like in the previous cycles, i.e. losing ~85% of the value.  That would mean falling to 10-12k, so 50% of current value. I really hope I'm wrong...

So, back to what you wrote in topic: if we get back to 40-50k this year... it'll be a surprisingly nice development.

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June 15, 2022, 09:14:14 PM
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I don't really see much prospect for Bitcoin or any cryptocurrency for that matter for the second half of the year as the global economic situation is depreciating. Many countries that the major whales below to are currently facing some challenges. And with the red candlesticks portrayed on exchanges, I would say getting a new ATH in the second half is seemingly impossible. (I stand to be corrected though) lol.

i will start to say that Bitcoin is not a world economic buster, that is how some people derivative analysis come to. Because if you search from the beginning coming close to the end, you will understand that bitcoin is not something that every country is aware of or something every countries welcomed, making it's depreciation as one of the things that depreciates the economy or economic status of other countries that does not value it and also be aware of it, is something I'm getting wrong to understand.
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June 15, 2022, 09:27:23 PM
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In this winter, we have already lost 70% of the value. I also read opinions that this time the correction will not exceed 55% and will stop at around 28-30k

Yep, this is what I was talking about.
Now I pretty much fear that the price may fall like in the previous cycles, i.e. losing ~85% of the value.  That would mean falling to 10-12k, so 50% of current value. I really hope I'm wrong...

So, back to what you wrote in topic: if we get back to 40-50k this year... it'll be a surprisingly nice development.
There’s a lot of possible scenario for Bitcoin in the last months for this year, if the support level stays strong at the level of $20k, we might not be able to see another drop but of course this is a very unpredictable situation with Bitcoin and most of the analysis has been invalidated. The support level is very crucial, many will surely panic if ever we go down again. Recovery this year is still possible, we know Bitcoin works like this before and able to rise, I’m confident again with this one. Buying can be a good strategy for now, just timing the market.

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June 15, 2022, 10:21:05 PM
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I always tend to see Bitcoin losing values in summer and getting it back and even more by the end of the year but this doesn't happen lately the way it used to be.
This summer was the worst obviously but it will give a chance to a nice recovery by Q4 of the year.
I am not very optimistic this year with all economical struggles but finishing 2022 with $40k would be a good start for the next year..

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A big part of the downturn in BTC's price is that liquidity is being sucked out of the system to an extent even larger than is generally realized. The world is starved for liquidity. I expected a crash like this:

I'm bearish for the first half of the year because most of the world is transitioning from unprecedentedly easy money to, relatively, extremely tight money, and crypto feeds off of easy money more than anything. People talk a lot about interest rates, but it's that plus slowing growth, much lower government spending, and rapidly ending QE. Worldwide, the brakes have already been slammed on the economy, but people haven't quite realized it yet. I think that sometime in the first half of the year all liquid assets including BTC are likely to fall off a cliff. It then might quickly recover within days, or this might lead to a frenzy of panic selling which lasts a couple of months. I think that this crash will be an excellent time to buy, though, and we could see ATHs toward the end of the year.

My record of price predictions isn't great, and so I don't personally make large bets based on my price outlook. My prediction above will definitively be wrong if we get to July without a major crash, or if interest rates peak and then start to constantly fall without a crash in liquid assets.

When central banks add liquidity, they add bad liquidity. It gets thrown at useless things like wasteful government projects and zombie companies. But even with rates at 0%, credit is still either completely unavailable or very expensive to disfavored industries, people without the right connections, people in disfavored countries, most projects without collateral, etc. If you had some great business idea, do you think that you could get a big loan for it? The lack of good liquidity is a form of tightness which has been strangling the world economy. So when central banks and governments stop doing incredibly-loose things like sending people checks and start mildly tightening monetary policy, we get tightness on top of existing tightness. The world can't handle it.

Crypto is one possible solution to the liquidity crisis, since it offers a form of liquidity that's available to those that are excluded from the USD system (eg. El Salvador). I haven't personally experimented much with DeFi stuff, and I think that 90% of it is probably a scam, but this area has major potential vis-à-vis the liquidity issue, and BTC is the best monetary base for a DeFi monetary system. This can add the "good" liquidity that the world is starved for, having been fed only central banks' "bad" liquidity for years.

The recent crash is basically what I expected: a liquidity crisis causing almost every liquid asset on Earth to crash. But I expected it to be worse, and in fact I expected it to be so bad that it would cause the Fed to stop tightening. This crash wasn't nearly bad enough to make them hesitate, especially with inflation so high (higher than I expected in January). I suspect that we'll get one or more additional rounds of liquidity-crisis selling like this, though I'm not sure.

If things get so bad that the Fed stops tightening, that's good for BTC because BTC feeds on easy money. But if the Fed is seriously going to let rates go up several more percentage points, then BTC probably has a lot more to fall. We'd have to eliminate the portion of the price which comes from easy money and FOMO-buyers before rising on other fundamental strengths. In that case, I'd expect BTC to keep falling until monetary policy becomes restrictive across the board (ie. rates +/- other effects such as the balance sheet put us above the neutral rate, in nearly every sector and situation). After that point, I'd guess that further rate increases would not be particularly harmful to BTC, and could in fact help BTC. In other words, even if the Fed keeps tightening, I think that BTC can still perform well, eventually.

At the moment, my base case for the second half is that the liquidity crisis builds to such an extent and causes so much pain that the Fed seizes on some excuse such as a deceleration in CPI (but still staying very high), and they stop tightening. This will be bullish for BTC in several respects: easy money will flow into BTC, the Fed's failure and increasing financial repression will undermine the USD, inflation will boost the "BTC as an inflation hedge" narrative (even though it hasn't actually worked recently), and BTC+DeFi as a new global monetary system will emerge as a solution to a major problem. ATHs are still possible this year, but probably more likely is a drop even lower from here (to just under $10k, perhaps?) and then an increase toward the end of the year back to the $30-40k area.

As always, note that my record of predictions is not very good, and I don't personally make large bets based on them if I can avoid it.

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