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June 16, 2022, 12:37:59 AM |
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Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after? I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
For the first question, it's possibly because they don't want any innocent users to get hit by their fraud detection system. That would cause possibly a LOT more issues in the long run compared to letting some users take advantage of their bonuses. Though afaik bonuses have a set limit e.g., a set amount of withdrawal before being able to withdraw (not including the ones from the bonuses) so I don't think they lose out that much?or rather they just aren't able to maximize their profits. Ofc the ones to blame are the fraudsters. No way in hell is there a world where the act of scamming/taking advantage of a loophole is the right thing to do.
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June 16, 2022, 01:12:03 AM |
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Ofc the ones to blame are the fraudsters. No way in hell is there a world where the act of scamming/taking advantage of a loophole is the right thing to do.
For me scamming is very different from taking advantage of casino promotion. I'll make an analogy for this to explain more properly: Scamming is like cheating, it's like using a 3rd party-tool to a particular casino or website to rigged their game for your own benefit. It's stated on their TOS that using those are illegal and can face some serious charges if proven to be guilty. While promotion abuse or exploit doesn't violate anything on the TOS making people not afraid to do it. It is the fault of casino owners because they did not review properly if there will be a loophole on their promotion.
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June 16, 2022, 01:34:05 AM |
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Who is to Blame? You can blame fraudsters most of cases, but things definitely work out as usual. We acknowledge reward abuser is exist, so any advancement will be gone exceptionally soon because of masses of abusers. The online gambling operators takes necessary measures however some of the time genuine clients get impacted following the occasions. It's not easier to give fight against abusers but gambling operators changes their terms and condition to make the thing fair.
However, there is still gap between gambling operators and clients. The thing is very new, so we've to battle against the victimizers from both side.
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June 16, 2022, 02:47:44 AM |
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Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after? I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
For the first question, it's possibly because they don't want any innocent users to get hit by their fraud detection system. That would cause possibly a LOT more issues in the long run compared to letting some users take advantage of their bonuses. Though afaik bonuses have a set limit e.g., a set amount of withdrawal before being able to withdraw (not including the ones from the bonuses) so I don't think they lose out that much?or rather they just aren't able to maximize their profits. Ofc the ones to blame are the fraudsters. No way in hell is there a world where the act of scamming/taking advantage of a loophole is the right thing to do. Yes, the fraudsters are to blame but it is very difficult to know who the fraudsters are, especially on the internet, because they can easily use other identities. Casinos will limit and anticipate fraud or abuse of the bonuses they provide users but it will take some time before they can figure out who did it. Casinos can view reports from their site about new users who have registered on their site and see where they are coming from. And usually, the casino will check users who have almost the same IP as other users or will have a way to detect fraudsters who abuse the bonus.
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June 16, 2022, 02:48:27 AM |
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I blame the Casinos and let me explain why.
Each time the casino creates a new bonus they decide the rules, and if a smart customer finds a way to take advantage of this bonus is because the casino does a bad job releasing a bonus that can be exploited. So, each time a user abuses any bonus promo es because that promotion wasn't well designed and from my point of view that's the casino's fault.
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June 16, 2022, 02:59:49 AM |
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I blame the Casinos and let me explain why. Each time the casino creates a new bonus they decide the rules, and if a smart customer finds a way to take advantage of this bonus is because the casino does a bad job releasing a bonus that can be exploited. So, each time a user abuses any bonus promo es because that promotion wasn't well designed and from my point of view that's the casino's fault.
Thats the reason why it is more ideal to the gambling platform to make an all-around of testing which takes two phases which is the beta testing and alpha testing before releasing it into the market that can be use by the users and one of the mistakes of the management is not having a QA testing with it, of course it is the most crucial that might get abuse by those users and at the same time it depends on the user if they will report of it if they found a leak it is good to tell to the management can be possible get rewarded too or abuse the system.
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June 16, 2022, 04:37:06 AM |
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I also think both are to blame, but knowing this, a casino must put measures in place so that this does not happen, or at least that the impact is minimal, in the same way that supermarkets put measures in place to avoid being robbed, although it is inevitable that at the end of the year a small percentage of items will be stolen.
I thought this in Bilucy's case. It is one thing if you have half a dozen people abusing you, but when you have such a large number that you have to stop operating, it means that you have had bad foresight and bad management.
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June 16, 2022, 05:07:49 AM |
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I remember this same argument when we are at group , Someone pointed that it is casinos fault to not finding every bugs and problems their site might experience first before releasing the game . but some pointed that if you are not a greed gambler and a fair one? then you will be exposing those problem instead of abusing so for me personally ? it is always the abuser that will be in blame here , because not the advantage is what we need to talk but the honesty .
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June 16, 2022, 05:11:57 AM |
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Each time the casino creates a new bonus they decide the rules, and if a smart customer finds a way to take advantage of this bonus is because the casino does a bad job releasing a bonus that can be exploited. So, each time a user abuses any bonus promo es because that promotion wasn't well designed and from my point of view that's the casino's fault.
It's depends on the casino itself, according to this article the gamblers find a loopholes to create multiple accounts with different IP address. If the casino already mention on their TOS or the bonus rules of prohibiting the use of multiple accounts, then the gamblers are wrong. If the casino didn't stated anything and confiscated the money since it would harm their casino, the casino could be blamed since there's no rules, but at the same time that's rules didn't need explicitly stated since almost anyone know what is abuse mean.
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June 16, 2022, 10:42:15 AM |
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I don't think any of them are to blame, but they all need to pay attention to it and counter fraud. Casinos make money at the expense of their customers, so they have to provide safe storage of user funds. But most casinos buy software from software creators and don't have such a high level of technical specialists as cheaters. Customers should understand that because their private keys are kept by the casino.
but in case the abuse is not detected early, it is the casino itself who will suffer the most. so for me, it is the responsibility of the casino to secure their filters for such abuse. because let's admit the fact that these people will always try to exhaust the bonus given, and will find loopholes in the site to get as much as they can. if you are a site which has long-term goals, you will invest in your security and other protection protocols. you can't tell the abusers to stop but you can restrict them with your security measures. What security measures? If any gambler abusing the bonus system can register several accounts on his relatives - wife, brothers, sisters, etc. and use a proxy so that in case of inspection the casino could not prove abuse. As we know today, even the most advanced security systems cannot resist this.
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June 16, 2022, 10:49:04 AM |
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of course the Cheater/abuser , who do you think to be blame in this? the site is making business and those abusers wanted a MONKEY BUSINESS .
So they are the one who must be blame here.
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June 16, 2022, 11:43:24 AM |
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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
Casinos mean well when they offer bonuses, they just want to announce their launch to reward their existing players, and invite new players to try their casino, its the cheaters and abusers' fault why casinos are losing from their bonuses, they are the victim here and we should not blame the victim, but casinos should be aware of these abuses and how they exploit these bonuses, it's for their own good if they can keep up with their security, so they can only reward those who deserve it.
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June 16, 2022, 12:30:49 PM |
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of course the Cheater/abuser , who do you think to be blame in this? the site is making business and those abusers wanted a MONKEY BUSINESS .
So they are the one who must be blame here.
If the abuse made intentionally, I see that as a the one to blame for but if the site is not that good and not secured then other gamblers are being tempted to abuse the system, I think the gambling site is the one who are responsible for this. You can't just make a promotion if you think your site is not secured yet, once you have this bonuses you should be more confident about your own system. Technically, the abuser will get what he deserve and this is an eye opener for the site to be more secured next time.
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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year. After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud. Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets. Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted. Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity. I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after? I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators? As a child, I read the novel Ascanio by Alexandre Dumas. One of the main characters of this historical novel is the great sculptor Benvenutto Cellini. He managed to escape from the castle of Sant'Angelo. He was a prisoner. Fortress Sant'Angelo was considered an impregnable fortress. Alexandre Dumas wondered why in history there are cases of successful escapes from impregnable fortresses? The author of adventure novels concluded - "This is due to the fact that the jailer may forget that he is guarding the prisoner. However, the prisoner will never forget that he is in prison." This explains a lot about gambling abuse... The attackers are very eager to get free money. Therefore, they are diligently looking for opportunities to get them at online casinos.
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Boristhecat
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June 16, 2022, 01:13:36 PM |
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-skip- I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after? I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
A strange question - the violator is always to blame. Even if the thief used the door that for some reason was not closed, he remains a thief, and the one whom he robbed remains an innocent victim. As for statistics, I would not overestimate its importance. Casinos that make bonus programs are well aware that some unscrupulous players will not use them properly and will be able to somehow cheat. But bonus programs give more profit than losses, so these collateral losses are acceptable for the casino.
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Cling18
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June 16, 2022, 02:13:27 PM |
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-skip- I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after? I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
A strange question - the violator is always to blame. Even if the thief used the door that for some reason was not closed, he remains a thief, and the one whom he robbed remains an innocent victim. As for statistics, I would not overestimate its importance. Casinos that make bonus programs are well aware that some unscrupulous players will not use them properly and will be able to somehow cheat. But bonus programs give more profit than losses, so these collateral losses are acceptable for the casino. Those who have done wrong are really to be blamed. No matter what the reasons are, cheating is still cheating, abuse is abuse and there's no excuse. If a site has a mistake regarding the bonus security scheme, it doesn't mean that people have to take advantage of them. If we know what's right and wrong, we should take responsibility for our actions.
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masulum
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June 16, 2022, 02:44:18 PM |
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Those who have done wrong are really to be blamed. No matter what the reasons are, cheating is still cheating, abuse is abuse and there's no excuse. If a site has a mistake regarding the bonus security scheme, it doesn't mean that people have to take advantage of them. -snip
Correct, system bonuses are something that appeals to everyone, not just in gambling. Anything in the form of a "bonus" will be taken as quickly as possible. It's not the user's fault, but back to the service itself. In one of gambling site I've use, for example, they often give bonuses, however, those of us who take bonuses must be able to meet the minimum turnover before we can withdraw money. If the 71% mentioned in the article (OP), don't implement the same, it's their own fault for giving bonuses too easily without security.
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seoincorporation
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June 16, 2022, 02:45:53 PM |
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Each time the casino creates a new bonus they decide the rules, and if a smart customer finds a way to take advantage of this bonus is because the casino does a bad job releasing a bonus that can be exploited. So, each time a user abuses any bonus promo es because that promotion wasn't well designed and from my point of view that's the casino's fault.
It's depends on the casino itself, according to this article the gamblers find a loopholes to create multiple accounts with different IP address. If the casino already mention on their TOS or the bonus rules of prohibiting the use of multiple accounts, then the gamblers are wrong. If the casino didn't stated anything and confiscated the money since it would harm their casino, the casino could be blamed since there's no rules, but at the same time that's rules didn't need explicitly stated since almost anyone know what is abuse mean. If a user creates multiple accounts or breaks any of the rules on the TOS, then he should get banned or locked, I agree with that. But I have seen in the past how users get their accounts locked for claiming all the free spins promos on the site, the casino asked for full KYC and lock the withdrawals claiming he was abusing the Bonus. Every time I find a vulnerability on a promotion I report it to the support, that's what users should do, this way the casinos can lock the promotion before it gets exploited.
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Gianluca95
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Reputation first.
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June 16, 2022, 02:54:14 PM |
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It is also a good thing to tell to support if there is an issue with the promotion that they has running at the moment.
But if you put a bonus promotion, you should also accept that many users will try to abuse on it, or just put rules that only registered users can have an access to it.
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ethereumhunter
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June 16, 2022, 03:57:23 PM |
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of course the Cheater/abuser , who do you think to be blame in this? the site is making business and those abusers wanted a MONKEY BUSINESS .
So they are the one who must be blame here.
If the abuse made intentionally, I see that as a the one to blame for but if the site is not that good and not secured then other gamblers are being tempted to abuse the system, I think the gambling site is the one who are responsible for this. You can't just make a promotion if you think your site is not secured yet, once you have this bonuses you should be more confident about your own system. Technically, the abuser will get what he deserve and this is an eye opener for the site to be more secured next time. It means that everyone is at fault because the casino has made offers that tempt gamblers to give it a try and take the bonus. Meanwhile, the gambler discovers that he can cheat to take his bonus. Each of them has different intentions and probably the gambler will be the most to blame in this case because they use the bonus more than what the casino has given them. They shouldn't have cheated. At the same time, the casino can also provide a ban for gamblers who try to cheat.
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