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June 15, 2022, 06:39:56 AM
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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

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June 15, 2022, 06:56:16 AM
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Both, the abusers in first place who is to be blame and also casinos who don't anticipate the possibility of misuse of bonuses, which is why Casinos must have a good security system that can at least reduce cheaters to abuse the bonuses or promotions they provide, because multi-accounts or cheaters will always there, that's why Casino should have something that can be reduce cheater to penetrated Casino system.

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June 15, 2022, 06:56:27 AM
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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
If I should contribute my own opinion, there are different means gambling sites give bonuses, they do not just give the bonus, some are stingy and some can give up to 100% bonus if you deposit up to certain amount of money. Some people will open an account and later open another account to be taking advantage of the bonuses, but many still can lead to losses from the punter after receiving the bonus if gambling in an inexperienced way.

But if truly some gamblers are taking advantage of this, having more than one account which I believe would violate the terms and conditions of the gambling site. Gambling sites themselves needs to employ teams that their work is based on detecting frauds, online crimes and users having more than one accounts which is against their terms and conditions to reduced all these illegal activities.

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June 15, 2022, 07:00:36 AM
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To blame are greedy people wanting to earn more than they should and it is only natural that casinos would not allow this to happen in their casinos. If casinos give bonuses to new customers, it is also a normal way to attract people to come and play at their casinos. But unfortunately, many of them then abuse the bonus by creating another account just to get more. Somehow, the casino will know the abusers and block them immediately.

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June 15, 2022, 07:06:42 AM
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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

Asking if a scammer is to blame is... a non question imho. Of course that the scammers are to blame.

Now let's see about the online casinos. Here it's a bit more complicated.
They have to offer bonuses and promotions to stay in sync with the competition. Else they can easily rush into oblivion.
But...
1. Most of them don't have enough technical knowledge to avoid security holes.
2. Most of them don't have enough budget to heavily test and review the casino software, hence they won't see the holes.
3. Most of them don't have enough personnel in the first year, when more of the withdrawals should be reviewed, when more users may need support too.

So there are significant loses? Sure. But, I don't know the numbers, but some of that loses should have been in the development/test/operational budget and they're not.
Yeah, it's also the fault of the operators.

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June 15, 2022, 07:24:33 AM
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Bonus abusing is something which exists since the starts of online gambling.

I can't read also that cheaters creates multi account because this can be avoided simply by asking an ID Doc in way to access to the promotion.

Anyway, a bonus abusing is also a legal practice, so, casino can only assumes initiatives by itself, without the help of anyone.


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June 15, 2022, 07:37:26 AM
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I can't read also that cheaters creates multi account because this can be avoided simply by asking an ID Doc in way to access to the promotion.
How about some gambling sites with lenient verification? In my country, the gambling site do not request for ID documents or facial recognition, just few steps to register, I remember the first betting site I used in my country, I had three betting accounts on the betting site before I later checked the gambling site ToS some months I have registered, I later had to leave two accounts alone and disused and continue to use just only one. Some people are very smart and can make this abuse possible. But I was not after bonus, I did not even got any bonus anyway from any of the accounts when I registered.

Anyway, a bonus abusing is also a legal practice, so, casino can only assumes initiatives by itself, without the help of anyone.
If it is in ToS, then it is an abuse, it is in the ToS of most of the gambling sites I have used before, so it should be seen not legal.

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June 15, 2022, 07:38:48 AM
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What's the point of blame the casino? They didn't do any harm to anyone, while the fraudsters are hack the casino or find a loopholes to stole the money, do you think stole a money is correct? I don't have any idea why you're asking this stupid question.

Most of big casinos always hire someone to check all the codes and make sure it doesn't have any vulnerability at that time, some casinos even run a bug bounty program to make their security better. But, there's no completely 100% safe in this digital world and there's a chance it can got hacked e.g. centralized exchanges.

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June 15, 2022, 07:38:52 AM
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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants?

This is a very subjective question and varies depending on the actual facts given in the situation. Some casino is indeed telling the truth while some of them are using the benefit of the doubt to trap/not paid user that wins their bonus. The blame should be pointed to the one who committed mistakes in that particular scenario. We can't blame the technology since even the security of the casino tighten to filter these cheaters, There's always a way to find a hole in this to still exploit their bonus. I think KYC is the only way to finally stop this abuse but I doubt that players will still play so give or take, Casino is risking their bonus to still get customers and hoping they will lose before they can claim it.

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June 15, 2022, 07:59:48 AM
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actually there is no one to blame but the action , and it is the Abusing , coming from the word itself "ABUSE" is this good? of course not right? so why need to abuse the site even if this is in your face?

if you are a honest person and only wanted to gamble then there is no need to take advantage instead let the team learn about the bug or the leakages so they can do the update.

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June 15, 2022, 08:01:31 AM
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This can surely be prevented if the developing team for that gambling site has an algorithm for 1 IP 1 account policy, I think they can do such a thing, even though I am not familiar with what the thing they have done, I really think the Rules on the gambling site is really important, and if there are rules people will surely have something to look and don't have done something like that in the first place, but I think there will be customers that may bypass something like these, you would surely never know the knowledge of your customers if there are no security features for the gambling site, the Customer can surely exploit those glitch on the system,

But overall I think both have to be blamed the weak system for the site could be blamed on the developers,  while the Customers that aren't follow the rules is to be blame aswell, so both are at fault here, in my opinion, if they will have a weak system people will surely exploit that, they should not have that issue in the 1st place, and if people are not following the rules that will also be disastrous,
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June 15, 2022, 08:15:34 AM
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No such abuses will happen if gambling platforms have reviewed their bonuses carefully and checked for possible loopholes that can be used against them. Not saying that it is solely the fault of the gambling platform, but the heavier weight of responsibility rests upon their shoulders. They can oversee who abuses what, and they know the ins and outs of the bonuses, so they should be the ones to make sure that everything is ready and abuse-proof before going live.

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June 15, 2022, 08:25:17 AM
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actually there is no one to blame but the action , and it is the Abusing , coming from the word itself "ABUSE" is this good? of course not right? so why need to abuse the site even if this is in your face?

if you are a honest person and only wanted to gamble then there is no need to take advantage instead let the team learn about the bug or the leakages so they can do the update.

Actually, this is nicely said! Honest people don't take advantage when they run into bugs, they report it! If the casino team is smart they will reward the person who reported a bug!

Abusers will abuse! They are looking for ways to do it! The only reason why they gamble is to abuse casino promotions! So they are going around looking where and how to do it!

Nobody likes abusers, it's not nice what they are doing! But casino security is the casino team's responsibility! If they do a bad job they will be a target, and honest players will suffer from that too!

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June 15, 2022, 08:28:40 AM
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Abusers will have to blame obviously, because they will go to all extend just to cheat and take advantage of those bonuses and promotions from casinos. Funny thing is, you will find that this abusers will again to to lengths to make accusations to this online gambling sites and then once they've been exposed as abusers they suddenly become quiet. Casino's though should have at least some safety nets to capture abusers at the onset and not let them play and win big money and before accusations being thrown in their way.

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June 15, 2022, 08:54:31 AM
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This go sideways, both the site and the abuser are also to be blamed, it is expected of sites to get all the features tested for a long time to fix bugs that may arise from the operation which is why some sites first go on test mode before full lunch. We left in a world where honest people are hard to find and so if a scammer detected a security vulnerability in the system they will take advantage to abuse the system, So gambling sites should always update their security to beat abusers.
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June 15, 2022, 08:58:01 AM
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Abusers must be punished thats it !!!

why need to ask if whos on fault here? isn't obvious that the Gambling sites are being created for the developer and for gamblers to have businesses , for owner/employees to make money and for gamblers to try their luck in playing.

and Abusers are not part of that so why do they need to be in concern here?

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June 15, 2022, 09:03:53 AM
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Both should be blamed. The operators should protect their business and the players should not abuse the system. No one will take advantage on the bonuses if they are really secured (No loopholes) and players should not abuse the bonuses as that is to spice things up and it is the strategy of the owners to gain more players but in reality only the business owners are getting the risk.

If they found out a user that is taking advantage, they will do anything to protect it such as confiscating or blocking the account and in result the abusers will report and will play a victim and no matter what happened that incident will reflect in their reputation.


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June 15, 2022, 09:16:39 AM
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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I think no one could be blamed here because that's how the cycle works.The casino giving such bonuses probably know that it will be abused by some player.But the profit is outweighing the loss,so they will let it happen until they feel some significant loss and will then take some serious countermeasures.After all,it's just about a cycle of profit and losses.
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I don't think any of them are to blame, but they all need to pay attention to it and counter fraud. Casinos make money at the expense of their customers, so they have to provide safe storage of user funds. But most casinos buy software from software creators and don't have such a high level of technical specialists as cheaters. Customers should understand that because their private keys are kept by the casino.  

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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
Both are to blame but, firstly. The customers trying to take advantage of promotions put up by the sportsbooks and going against the sportsbooks TOS and colluding/making multiple accounts to get bonuses. Secondly, The sportsbooks that make very attractive but slightly unrealistic bonuses which needs external help most of the time to complete the bonuses. These Bonuses do attract a ton of customers but in the end, end up damaging their reputation as well. All the customers making multiple accounts, once the sportsbooks find out about it and close their account. The fraudulent customer would highly likely cry foul and write scathing reviews about the sportsbook, pleading his innocence. It becomes very hard to determine whom to believe. The Sportsbook for banning a player or the paying customer who pleads innocence.

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Unfortunately it is in human nature the greed,it is one of the most emphasized attributes which we tend to control with different things like,laws,religion and moral.While these work for most of the population for those at the part that these don't work are to blame as they are always trying to find new ways to exploit others no matter who these others are,in our case the casinos.The casinos have also to keep in mind that when they design their bonus they can design it in a certain way to limit such abuses,it will not completely remove this phenomena but at least will greatly reduce it,one form of doing so is in order to get the bonus for example you need to deposit 1 Bitcoin to get 0.25 Bitcoin bonus and this 0.25 you have to wager it from 75-100 times which will take time to do and reduce the opportunities for the scammers.

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June 15, 2022, 10:06:51 AM
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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

This is a no brainer.  Obviously it is the fraudster that is to blame.  He is the one who abused the bonus and at the losing end is the Casino operator.  Operator/merchant is just being generous to offer bonuses to promote their gambling site.  If a person does not have a malicious intention to cheat the casino of its promotion by abusing it, then we won't see any kind of bonus abuse no matter how lacking the casino verification security is.
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June 15, 2022, 10:16:27 AM
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actually there is no one to blame but the action , and it is the Abusing , coming from the word itself "ABUSE" is this good? of course not right? so why need to abuse the site even if this is in your face?

if you are a honest person and only wanted to gamble then there is no need to take advantage instead let the team learn about the bug or the leakages so they can do the update.

Actually, this is nicely said! Honest people don't take advantage when they run into bugs, they report it! If the casino team is smart they will reward the person who reported a bug!
exactly as we even see that there are gambling site that pays those who report bugs and even conduct a Bug Hunting event here like FortuneJack when they are relaunching their site years back.
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Abusers will abuse! They are looking for ways to do it! The only reason why they gamble is to abuse casino promotions! So they are going around looking where and how to do it!
As we suspected since long time? that there are a team of gamblers that only looking for bugs and something they can abuse the site specially new casinos and if they did not progress? they will create bad reputation towards the site.
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Nobody likes abusers, it's not nice what they are doing! But casino security is the casino team's responsibility! If they do a bad job they will be a target, and honest players will suffer from that too!
at some point they are also responsible to the abuse because they are not making deep search and studies before going to create and operate the site.

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June 15, 2022, 10:23:37 AM
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The abuser of course is the responsible for reporting a bug to the admin or support, and if the player decide to take a chance in the failure of the system to exploit the bonus  then he is a criminal most especially when it stated in the t&c of the site against multi account for one player.

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June 15, 2022, 11:48:02 AM
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As being said ABUSE, this means that they violate the rules and someone who does will receive the blame, nothing else. Not a thing wonder about. Although the casino has lapsed with this and with the implementation of their rules, you as a responsible gambler will never take advantage of said thing. But unfortunately, many gamblers took advantage of it.

That is possible that every casino will review its rules and strictly implement them. And you as gamblers must take responsibility as well for every action you made.

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June 15, 2022, 12:03:00 PM
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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

It's the operators main fault because they know that frauds about bonuses exist but still they didn't manage to do counter action towards this kind of abuse. And I can't trust this kind of platform which been attacked by many abusers since for sure they will get a huge problem just like what happen in Bitlucy right now. Also its fault by fraudster because for continues doing this they compromise the real user of the platform.

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June 15, 2022, 12:05:16 PM
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Both, the abusers in first place who is to be blame and also casinos who don't anticipate the possibility of misuse of bonuses, which is why Casinos must have a good security system that can at least reduce cheaters to abuse the bonuses or promotions they provide, because multi-accounts or cheaters will always there, that's why Casino should have something that can be reduce cheater to penetrated Casino system.

I agree cheaters will always find a way to cheat if there is a way or vulnerabilities that they can find in a casino, but on the other hand, Casino should make their security air tight to shun these cheaters, cheaters or abusers will go away and find casinos with vulnerabilities, Casinos offer this bonus so should have a system that will check cheaters, its part of the reputation of  casinos to make sure that they are above level.
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It should be the one who made the abuse has to be blamed, otherwise, we are victim blaming if we will blame the gambling site. Although I must say that control in place for a gambling site might be weak if they can easily be abused by greedy gamblers, in the end, it's still those who commit abuse that should pay the consequences of their actions.

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June 15, 2022, 12:34:19 PM
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It is difficult playing the blame game, but these casino's do not do enough to secure their system, abuse is almost inevitable, it is their duty to always be on guard from such,
Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites?
To catch a thief, they say you have to think like a thief...these casino's simply do not "think like thieves", that's why their system is always vulnerable to fraudsters. So far as you plan to start a website online that will have personal financial details of people and host some transactions, you have to be proactive, think like a thief, or contract the services of those who think like these fraudsters (cyber security specialist) to seek vulnerability in the website and try to anticipate the move of these fraudsters, so any future situation of fraudsters attacking website to steal financial details is nipped in the bud.

These casino's should know these, but perhaps they slash it out of budget when building their website. Cyber security specialist are very important to every website project.

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June 15, 2022, 01:23:44 PM
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These operators should just invest to a better system to protect them from these fraudsters. They should expect something like this to happen and there will be trying hard to abuse them and that's usual for a business which is being done online.

I don't blame the operators since they're the one being targeted and attacked by these abusers, they're losing money on this one and they're the victims.

They really just have to add more budget on a better security for them to remove or at least reduce these abuses.



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I guess into the part of the management because of course before making a release with the market they make a lot of test which is the reason why there's an alpha and beta testing and of course, we knows that there's a gambler who will grab the opportunity to make an advantage with this breach and of course, it is not their mistakes it is the Quality Assurance tester of the management and it is a huge lose for them it this might happen.

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June 15, 2022, 01:55:51 PM
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Abuse of any kind is a grave mistake, loss and crime that must be eradicated, as there is a possibility that perpetrators will do the same to other casinos in various ways just to get a bonus.
And this problem if it happens too often will be a lesson for all casinos and will tighten the security system in terms of bonuses, because bonuses are their way of attracting honest new customers and bonuses are also what all customers especially new ones want.

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June 15, 2022, 02:20:23 PM
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Abuse of any kind is a grave mistake, loss and crime that must be eradicated, as there is a possibility that perpetrators will do the same to other casinos in various ways just to get a bonus.
Abusers will just usually get banned. They will not be charge of a crime as most crypto casinos does allow anonymous gambling and customers does not submit for KYC.

And this problem if it happens too often will be a lesson for all casinos and will tighten the security system in terms of bonuses, because bonuses are their way of attracting honest new customers and bonuses are also what all customers especially new ones want.
Yes, they have to improve their system or their security as no casino will be abused with good security.
People just want to make money, unfortunately, they will do it even if it's unlawful already.

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June 15, 2022, 02:32:13 PM
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I guess into the part of the management because of course before making a release with the market they make a lot of test which is the reason why there's an alpha and beta testing and of course, we knows that there's a gambler who will grab the opportunity to make an advantage with this breach and of course, it is not their mistakes it is the Quality Assurance tester of the management and it is a huge lose for them it this might happen.

I certainly agree. It is the management's responsibility to secure and make sure that the tests were done smoothly. Gamblers will just take advantage of the site's loopholes and I guess that isn't their mistake. Abusive people will only exist when there are people who would tolerate them. The management must be responsible enough to handle their promotions and bonuses well.
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June 15, 2022, 03:35:36 PM
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The abuser of course is the responsible for reporting a bug to the admin or support, and if the player decide to take a chance in the failure of the system to exploit the bonus  then he is a criminal most especially when it stated in the t&c of the site against multi account for one player.

it isn't an issue regarding bugs, but to use bonus only for earns from it and then leave the site, this practice is called bonus abusing. Consider bonus that is released at the new users like the BET 365's one. Many users with

that bonus plays in safe mode in way to earn that bonus and then leave the site.


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June 15, 2022, 03:40:25 PM
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I guess into the part of the management because of course before making a release with the market they make a lot of test which is the reason why there's an alpha and beta testing and of course, we knows that there's a gambler who will grab the opportunity to make an advantage with this breach and of course, it is not their mistakes it is the Quality Assurance tester of the management and it is a huge lose for them it this might happen.

I certainly agree. It is the management's responsibility to secure and make sure that the tests were done smoothly. Gamblers will just take advantage of the site's loopholes and I guess that isn't their mistake. Abusive people will only exist when there are people who would tolerate them. The management must be responsible enough to handle their promotions and bonuses well.

What kind of test you are pertaining? This is not a bug or loophole on the website. The bonus can't be test since it's available on new account. The wagering requirements is what makes this bonus hard to get yet some very lucky users is using this as an insurance for playing since if they can win big then they can get the bonus as well while if they lose, It is just a regular lose and move on to the next account until they finally meet the wagering requirements by winning on the casino.

There's no way to test it or stop it unless they will set the wagering requirements to the maximum that's nearly impossible to achieve.

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Blaming a scammer is like blaming an officer who is doing his job, Scammers are simply doing their job because the spent time learning the process. The  customers on the other hand took advantage of attractive bonuses just as bees get attracted to honeys. The blame should rather go to the gambling operators who should foresee the backside of the welcome bonuses and free bets so the coverup for loopholes using high profiled AI to detect frauds
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There will always be people who are hacking or looking for an opportunity to cheat a gambling site in order to make money on it. This endless process of struggle, which on the one hand forces attackers to find errors in the system and on the other hand to eliminate these errors and strengthen the protection of the software. In my opinion, this process forces to increase the level of technical knowledge of both parties. I do not think that either of them is at fault.

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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
That's where the user must really choose a trusted and honest gambling site, as well as understand about the online gambling site, many of the users don't care about the dangers so they are tempted by the various bonuses offered by gambling sites, in fact the bonus offer is just to attract users to play.

If the user is already interested, then they will ask you to register with the terms of all personal information, what is certain is that your personal data is not safe there, maybe it can be used incorrectly, without being aware of the user the personal data you send can be hacked directly.
if the user is not careful in choosing an online gambling site, regardless of personal data, online gambling can easily steal and enter the user's account, for that it is highly recommended and learn about online gambling before registering, the risk of loss is not proportional to the income you get.

The bottom line: choosing a trusted online gambling site is very important, to avoid being deceived and theft in the future, so what's wrong is of course the user himself is not wise in choosing online gambling.

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Unfortunately it is in human nature the greed,it is one of the most emphasized attributes which we tend to control with different things like,laws,religion and moral.While these work for most of the population for those at the part that these don't work are to blame as they are always trying to find new ways to exploit others no matter who these others are,in our case the casinos.The casinos have also to keep in mind that when they design their bonus they can design it in a certain way to limit such abuses,it will not completely remove this phenomena but at least will greatly reduce it,one form of doing so is in order to get the bonus for example you need to deposit 1 Bitcoin to get 0.25 Bitcoin bonus and this 0.25 you have to wager it from 75-100 times which will take time to do and reduce the opportunities for the scammers.
When it comes to bonuses or implementing out promotions then as a business owner then it would really be that sensible that you would really be putting up
those limits since you do know that it could really cost you big when someone do successfully exploit the said promotion or bonuses but we know that
there's no such thing about perfect system on where there are no holes but as a business owner then you would really be doing your best on getting
rid of those possible errors which would really make cost you.

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I believe that it is not a question of finding guilty on the part of casinos and honest users, the only guilty ones are the "crap user"" who abuse these promotions.

Casinos do their thing, promotion and offers to attract customers and as long as this offer is honest, It is what interests us as players and the casino to verify if those of us who access comply with its rules.

It is not mentioned or it does not make it clear if only with Fiat Casino, but it is the safest

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June 15, 2022, 07:31:36 PM
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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I don't understand how this even occurs if there are proper KYC processes in place and this will be mostly surveying non-crypto type gambling operations where it is mandatory for them to collect such information in most jurisdictions. It's too easy to fake things like IP address and get around things like cookie tracking for such sites to make these free offers otherwise. I'd be curious if more of it was related to stolen documentation that is used to sign up to certain websites and extract free offers using valid documentation stolen by criminals. It's just too easy to use a few data points, if they have correct identity documents, in order to prevent multiple account abuse as described.

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The casino is to blame for not thinking of every way a bonus can be abused before releasing the bonus to their potential and current clients, but they do not make players try to cheat them.

A player decides whether he wants to be a scumbag or not. Their sole purpose shouldn't be to look for exploits at casinos but unfortunately that's exactly what they do.

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June 15, 2022, 08:13:20 PM
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I have to say that both parties (abusers and the casinos) to blame.
Casinos provide bonuses should realize the fact that abusers does exist and will always try to take advantage of the offered bonus.
If their bonuses are abused easily and made the casino lost decent amount of money, means that the casino is not ready with it and it is obviously their own mistake to not prepare it very well.
Abusers are also to blame because they are doing something dishonest, cheat, or whatever it calls.

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June 15, 2022, 08:26:27 PM
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I don't think any of them are to blame, but they all need to pay attention to it and counter fraud. Casinos make money at the expense of their customers, so they have to provide safe storage of user funds. But most casinos buy software from software creators and don't have such a high level of technical specialists as cheaters. Customers should understand that because their private keys are kept by the casino.  

but in case the abuse is not detected early, it is the casino itself who will suffer the most. so for me, it is the responsibility of the casino to secure their filters for such abuse. because let's admit the fact that these people will always try to exhaust the bonus given, and will find loopholes in the site to get as much as they can. if you are a site which has long-term goals, you will invest in your security and other protection protocols. you can't tell the abusers to stop but you can restrict them with your security measures.

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Abuses are a serious issue because they reveal the casino security system isn't robust enough to work efficiently and gives gamblers a hint there might be another more serious security flaws which can potentially compromise users' funds deposited on the platform... If a hacker can steal from promotions, he can potentially invade the system and steal from the site's balance, depending the security measures currently in use on the casino, that has to be inevitably developed and upgraded frequently, since there is a constant war between defenders and invaders in online environment, as we can see since the beginning of the internet with viruses, anti-viruses and hacker attacks.

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June 15, 2022, 08:36:26 PM
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Fraudsters should take the blame of course. Who else? Why would you blame the casino? Abusing the promotions is theft. That’s why casinos are pretty sensitive over the multi accounters. Even if you multi acc’ed mistakenly or for innocent reasons, you’ll get a kick in the butt quickly.

If people weren’t abusing the platforms heavily, then casinos would be more chill about it but no, people are greedy and have to destroy any loophole they find.

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June 15, 2022, 09:46:39 PM
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Fraudsters should take the blame of course. Who else? Why would you blame the casino? Abusing the promotions is theft. That’s why casinos are pretty sensitive over the multi accounters. Even if you multi acc’ed mistakenly or for innocent reasons, you’ll get a kick in the butt quickly.

If people weren’t abusing the platforms heavily, then casinos would be more chill about it but no, people are greedy and have to destroy any loophole they find.

This is why for the sake of the casino's bankroll, they need to protect from these fraudsters. Yes, we can blame these scammers, but the casino needs to take action on how to prevent such abuse, because blaming only without action will just cost their bankroll to decline. So better invest on their security protocols before abusers drain their vaults. That's the human nature, being greedy and it is the site that needs to prohibit this kind of attitude.
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Fraudsters should take the blame of course. Who else? Why would you blame the casino? Abusing the promotions is theft. That’s why casinos are pretty sensitive over the multi accounters. Even if you multi acc’ed mistakenly or for innocent reasons, you’ll get a kick in the butt quickly.

If people weren’t abusing the platforms heavily, then casinos would be more chill about it but no, people are greedy and have to destroy any loophole they find.

This is why for the sake of the casino's bankroll, they need to protect from these fraudsters. Yes, we can blame these scammers, but the casino needs to take action on how to prevent such abuse, because blaming only without action will just cost their bankroll to decline. So better invest on their security protocols before abusers drain their vaults. That's the human nature, being greedy and it is the site that needs to prohibit this kind of attitude.
As a business owner then you should put budget for security because this key area isnt something that you could just be confidently let it be or not really that tough because it would surely cost you big once people
or someone do find out some exploit on the system which would lead to abuse and thats a really a disaster for a business to have.Therefore, whenever you do tend to launch your site then it would really be needing
lost of backtesting and bug test or something like that so that it would really be able to get rid or not possible to be bypass for those instances. So this is depending on site owner
on how they would really be putting importance on security.

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June 15, 2022, 10:18:55 PM
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I'll say, the customers are more to blame! You might look at it on the part that, these gambling sites aren't doing just enough in terms of security but the truth is, they are actually trying. It is the system that isn't letting them do so much in terms of security. Come to think of it, no one is a big fan of KYC operated sites and this is of the best ways to tackle abuse of the promotion that most of these gambling platforms offers. Then, we are given the freewill and we go about abusing it or should I say customers rather.
The promotions are for us, the are put there to compensate your game play and to make it the more enticing and somehow, its just not enough for some. The worst case scenario is, most of these abusers never gets to deposit there funds and place bets on the site!

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....I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
It's 100% the fraudsters are at fault when they take advantage of any loopholes in a gambling platform. The question now is are casinos to be blamed too for lack of counter-measures? Maybe so but they are not the real perpetrator here. They have probably done the  minimum diligence required to make sure their system works properly but nothing works 100%. There will always be bugs or something else to be exploited no matter how good you are. You have to note that it costs a lot too and these operators may not have enough of funding to maintain the highest level of security.

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June 15, 2022, 10:35:49 PM
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I think if you look at the programmer's point of view at the gambling place they have tried to make the gambling place safe but they still don't know for sure if there is no trial from the user, while the user when he gets a loophole in the gambling place prefers to be silent rather than give information to the developer so that the developer must look deeper into each user how they can get a large amount of profit, although it is very difficult to track it because there are so many users.

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Abusers will abuse, that's what they are looking for in casino old and new, they would look for exploits for profit, the casino should not take the blame in fact they are the one who is going to lose here because they are the one giving the bonus while the abusers are making a profit by exploiting these bonuses, but for Casinos own good they should upgrade their security to avoid exploits so they can shutdown these abusers and exloiters.

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June 15, 2022, 10:44:20 PM
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Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?

You have to remember that a fraudster will always be a fraudster and they are equipped with lots of techniques and ways to lead to abuse.

If Plan A doesn't work for them, they have backup plans for Plan B, Plan C, Plan D, and so on. While they are using new methods to abuse the site's system, that's the time the site will adjust the security and algorithms. A big site surely invests in good security but it's just that these culprits won't stop enhancing their techniques to make room for their abuse.

I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

Who is doing the abuse? The users right? Therefore, they are doing it intentionally. Regardless of whether the site security is secured or not, the moment these users abuse a site, that's their only purpose from the beginning and not to enjoy the site service.
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Abusers will abuse, that's what they are looking for in casino old and new, they would look for exploits for profit, the casino should not take the blame in fact they are the one who is going to lose here because they are the one giving the bonus while the abusers are making a profit by exploiting these bonuses, but for Casinos own good they should upgrade their security to avoid exploits so they can shutdown these abusers and exloiters.
There are people who would really be taking advantage if ever they do find a hole for them to get in and abuse any bonuses or promotions thats why on the time a casino/platform would run something like this

then they should really be that mindful about possible exploits or abuse that could happen which means that they would need to check things up first before announcing so that
it would really go smooth and dont have any hiccups or problems that might experienced ahead because it would surely cost you if ever you would really be
that confident that everything is fine but its not actually.

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Fraudsters is a dirty profession, that is clear they are to blame. Abusing promotions/bonuses is not a serious problem, casinos should be able to anticipate that problem. The thing that casinos definitely limit is withdrawals, so fraudsters can't withdraw money, but this fact many sites have gone bankrupt because of that problem. And main cause is the casino system which cannot detect them from location or pattern, and other important thing is instant withdrawal without deposit.

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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes?
A gambling platform or merchant should know about this and they must be able to provide the best tech for their platform. Or this will always happen. But as we know that online world will never be 100% guaranteed security, a perfect system, and also others. Many fraudsters, people, or hackers may still be able to crack or hack the system in order to get more bonuses. And here, this may be the one that is utilized by them to get more money from gambling merchants. We are not sure enough, but probably there are some groups who are working like this, utilizing the bonus by doing any frauds. as long as they can, they will continue.
And this should be the homework for gambling platforms to add a security system to their platform.

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June 15, 2022, 11:38:33 PM
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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

What kind of question is this? Abusers are the ones who are doing dirty here. There's even no need for much heavy and tight security to deal with the abusers if these people are honest. But that's an impossible thing to imagine that there will be no abusers. The site should just do everything to take down those and do an IP ban if necessary and prohibits the use of VPN if the situation of system abuse is now massively happening.

Big withdrawals should be checked first and bonuses should be reviewed. Lots of things should be done just to minimize the advantages and benefits that these abusers are doing. No need actually to strengthen the security but rather do some brainstorming to catch these abusers.
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June 15, 2022, 11:39:01 PM
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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants?

Blame for what? Why the site is being abused?

In the first place, there will be no abusers if no such thing will be intentionally done. I don't blame the gambling operators as I'm sure they have a good tool to fight against abusers but it's just that these abusers are focused on how to take advantage of the bonuses.

The best thing to do here is to revise the bonus terms. Make it to the point that it's not that easy to achieve. I doubt these fraudsters will still do some effort if they found the bonus terms are a bit of a hassle thing to do for them to put some effort to take advantage of it. The fraudsters don't have the mindset the same as real players that have a goal of putting effort to achieve those bonuses.

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June 16, 2022, 12:04:29 AM
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I guess it depends on the situation but i'd put the blame more on the users that tend to abuse it knowing the rules are already laid out. On the other hand, abuses are inevitable when it comes to promotions given that casinos don't have the perfect solution against abusers.

Abuses are a serious issue because they reveal the casino security system isn't robust enough to work efficiently and gives gamblers a hint there might be another more serious security flaws which can potentially compromise users' funds deposited on the platform... If a hacker can steal from promotions, he can potentially invade the system and steal from the site's balance, depending the security measures currently in use on the casino, that has to be inevitably developed and upgraded frequently, since there is a constant war between defenders and invaders in online environment, as we can see since the beginning of the internet with viruses, anti-viruses and hacker attacks.
I agree, it puts their security to the test. I'm not sure about hacking from promotions as they rarely happen but most of the promotion abuse we usually see nowadays comes from gamblers that are caught due to multi-accounting and some casinos take so much time before abusers get caught.  

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Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
For the first question, it's possibly because they don't want any innocent users to get hit by their fraud detection system. That would cause possibly a LOT more issues in the long run compared to letting some users take advantage of their bonuses. Though afaik bonuses have a set limit e.g., a set amount of withdrawal before being able to withdraw (not including the ones from the bonuses) so I don't think they lose out that much?or rather they just aren't able to maximize their profits.

Ofc the ones to blame are the fraudsters. No way in hell is there a world where the act of scamming/taking advantage of a loophole is the right thing to do.

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Ofc the ones to blame are the fraudsters. No way in hell is there a world where the act of scamming/taking advantage of a loophole is the right thing to do.

For me scamming is very different from taking advantage of casino promotion. I'll make an analogy for this to explain more properly:

Scamming is like cheating, it's like using a 3rd party-tool to a particular casino or website to rigged their game for your own benefit. It's stated on their TOS that using those are illegal and can face some serious charges if proven to be guilty.

While promotion abuse or exploit doesn't violate anything on the TOS making people not afraid to do it. It is the fault of casino owners because they did not review properly if there will be a loophole on their promotion.
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Who is to Blame? You can blame fraudsters most of cases, but things definitely work out as usual. We acknowledge reward abuser is exist, so any advancement will be gone exceptionally soon because of masses of abusers. The online gambling operators takes necessary measures however some of the time genuine clients get impacted following the occasions. It's not easier to give fight against abusers but gambling operators changes their terms and condition to make the thing fair.

However, there is still gap between gambling operators and clients. The thing is very new, so we've to battle against the victimizers from both side.
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June 16, 2022, 02:47:44 AM
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Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
For the first question, it's possibly because they don't want any innocent users to get hit by their fraud detection system. That would cause possibly a LOT more issues in the long run compared to letting some users take advantage of their bonuses. Though afaik bonuses have a set limit e.g., a set amount of withdrawal before being able to withdraw (not including the ones from the bonuses) so I don't think they lose out that much?or rather they just aren't able to maximize their profits.

Ofc the ones to blame are the fraudsters. No way in hell is there a world where the act of scamming/taking advantage of a loophole is the right thing to do.
Yes, the fraudsters are to blame but it is very difficult to know who the fraudsters are, especially on the internet, because they can easily use other identities. Casinos will limit and anticipate fraud or abuse of the bonuses they provide users but it will take some time before they can figure out who did it. Casinos can view reports from their site about new users who have registered on their site and see where they are coming from. And usually, the casino will check users who have almost the same IP as other users or will have a way to detect fraudsters who abuse the bonus.

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I blame the Casinos and let me explain why.

Each time the casino creates a new bonus they decide the rules, and if a smart customer finds a way to take advantage of this bonus is because the casino does a bad job releasing a bonus that can be exploited. So, each time a user abuses any bonus promo es because that promotion wasn't well designed and from my point of view that's the casino's fault.


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June 16, 2022, 02:59:49 AM
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I blame the Casinos and let me explain why.
Each time the casino creates a new bonus they decide the rules, and if a smart customer finds a way to take advantage of this bonus is because the casino does a bad job releasing a bonus that can be exploited. So, each time a user abuses any bonus promo es because that promotion wasn't well designed and from my point of view that's the casino's fault.

Thats the reason why it is more ideal to the gambling platform to make an all-around of testing which takes two phases which is the beta testing and alpha testing before releasing it into the market that can be use by the users and one of the mistakes of the management is not having a QA testing with it, of course it is the most crucial that might get abuse by those users and at the same time it depends on the user if they will report of it if they found a leak it is good to tell to the management can be possible get rewarded too or abuse the system.

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June 16, 2022, 04:37:06 AM
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I also think both are to blame, but knowing this, a casino must put measures in place so that this does not happen, or at least that the impact is minimal, in the same way that supermarkets put measures in place to avoid being robbed, although it is inevitable that at the end of the year a small percentage of items will be stolen.

I thought this in Bilucy's case. It is one thing if you have half a dozen people abusing you, but when you have such a large number that you have to stop operating, it means that you have had bad foresight and bad management.

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June 16, 2022, 05:07:49 AM
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I remember this same argument when we are at group , Someone pointed that it is casinos fault to not finding every bugs and problems their site might experience first before releasing the game .
but some pointed that if you are not a greed gambler and a fair one? then you will be exposing those problem instead of abusing so for me personally ? it is  always the abuser that will be in blame here , because not the advantage is what we need to talk but the honesty .

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June 16, 2022, 05:11:57 AM
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Each time the casino creates a new bonus they decide the rules, and if a smart customer finds a way to take advantage of this bonus is because the casino does a bad job releasing a bonus that can be exploited. So, each time a user abuses any bonus promo es because that promotion wasn't well designed and from my point of view that's the casino's fault.
It's depends on the casino itself, according to this article the gamblers find a loopholes to create multiple accounts with different IP address. If the casino already mention on their TOS or the bonus rules of prohibiting the use of multiple accounts, then the gamblers are wrong. If the casino didn't stated anything and confiscated the money since it would harm their casino, the casino could be blamed since there's no rules, but at the same time that's rules didn't need explicitly stated since almost anyone know what is abuse mean.
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June 16, 2022, 10:42:15 AM
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I don't think any of them are to blame, but they all need to pay attention to it and counter fraud. Casinos make money at the expense of their customers, so they have to provide safe storage of user funds. But most casinos buy software from software creators and don't have such a high level of technical specialists as cheaters. Customers should understand that because their private keys are kept by the casino. 

but in case the abuse is not detected early, it is the casino itself who will suffer the most. so for me, it is the responsibility of the casino to secure their filters for such abuse. because let's admit the fact that these people will always try to exhaust the bonus given, and will find loopholes in the site to get as much as they can. if you are a site which has long-term goals, you will invest in your security and other protection protocols. you can't tell the abusers to stop but you can restrict them with your security measures.

What security measures? If any gambler abusing the bonus system can register several accounts on his relatives - wife, brothers, sisters, etc. and use a proxy so that in case of inspection the casino could not prove abuse.  As we know today, even the most advanced security systems cannot resist this.

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June 16, 2022, 10:49:04 AM
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of course the Cheater/abuser , who do you think to be blame in this? the site is making business and those abusers wanted a MONKEY BUSINESS .

So they are the one who must be blame here.
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June 16, 2022, 11:43:24 AM
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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?


Casinos mean well when they offer bonuses, they just want to announce their launch to reward their existing players, and invite new players to try their casino, its the cheaters and abusers' fault why casinos are losing from their bonuses, they are the victim here and we should not blame the victim, but casinos should be aware of these abuses and how they exploit these bonuses, it's for their own good if they can keep up with their security, so they can only reward those who deserve it.


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June 16, 2022, 12:30:49 PM
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of course the Cheater/abuser , who do you think to be blame in this? the site is making business and those abusers wanted a MONKEY BUSINESS .

So they are the one who must be blame here.
If the abuse made intentionally, I see that as a the one to blame for but if the site is not that good and not secured then other gamblers are being tempted to abuse the system, I think the gambling site is the one who are responsible for this. You can't just make a promotion if you think your site is not secured yet, once you have this bonuses you should be more confident about your own system. Technically, the abuser will get what he deserve and this is an eye opener for the site to be more secured next time.

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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

As a child, I read the novel Ascanio by Alexandre Dumas.  One of the main characters of this historical novel is the great sculptor Benvenutto Cellini.  He managed to escape from the castle of Sant'Angelo.  He was a prisoner.  Fortress Sant'Angelo was considered an impregnable fortress. 

Alexandre Dumas wondered why in history there are cases of successful escapes from impregnable fortresses?  The author of adventure novels concluded - "This is due to the fact that the jailer may forget that he is guarding the prisoner. However, the prisoner will never forget that he is in prison." 

This explains a lot about gambling abuse...

The attackers are very eager to get free money.  Therefore, they are diligently looking for opportunities to get them at online casinos.

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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

A strange question - the violator is always to blame. Even if the thief used the door that for some reason was not closed, he remains a thief, and the one whom he robbed remains an innocent victim. As for statistics, I would not overestimate its importance. Casinos that make bonus programs are well aware that some unscrupulous players will not use them properly and will be able to somehow cheat. But bonus programs give more profit than losses, so these collateral losses are acceptable for the casino.
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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

A strange question - the violator is always to blame. Even if the thief used the door that for some reason was not closed, he remains a thief, and the one whom he robbed remains an innocent victim. As for statistics, I would not overestimate its importance. Casinos that make bonus programs are well aware that some unscrupulous players will not use them properly and will be able to somehow cheat. But bonus programs give more profit than losses, so these collateral losses are acceptable for the casino.

Those who have done wrong are really to be blamed. No matter what the reasons are, cheating is still cheating, abuse is abuse and there's no excuse. If a site has a mistake regarding the bonus security scheme, it doesn't mean that people have to take advantage of them. If we know what's right and wrong, we should take responsibility for our actions.
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Those who have done wrong are really to be blamed. No matter what the reasons are, cheating is still cheating, abuse is abuse and there's no excuse. If a site has a mistake regarding the bonus security scheme, it doesn't mean that people have to take advantage of them. -snip
Correct, system bonuses are something that appeals to everyone, not just in gambling. Anything in the form of a "bonus" will be taken as quickly as possible. It's not the user's fault, but back to the service itself. In one of gambling site I've use, for example, they often give bonuses, however, those of us who take bonuses must be able to meet the minimum turnover before we can withdraw money. If the 71% mentioned in the article (OP), don't implement the same, it's their own fault for giving bonuses too easily without security.

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June 16, 2022, 02:45:53 PM
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Each time the casino creates a new bonus they decide the rules, and if a smart customer finds a way to take advantage of this bonus is because the casino does a bad job releasing a bonus that can be exploited. So, each time a user abuses any bonus promo es because that promotion wasn't well designed and from my point of view that's the casino's fault.
It's depends on the casino itself, according to this article the gamblers find a loopholes to create multiple accounts with different IP address. If the casino already mention on their TOS or the bonus rules of prohibiting the use of multiple accounts, then the gamblers are wrong. If the casino didn't stated anything and confiscated the money since it would harm their casino, the casino could be blamed since there's no rules, but at the same time that's rules didn't need explicitly stated since almost anyone know what is abuse mean.

If a user creates multiple accounts or breaks any of the rules on the TOS, then he should get banned or locked, I agree with that. But I have seen in the past how users get their accounts locked for claiming all the free spins promos on the site, the casino asked for full KYC and lock the withdrawals claiming he was abusing the Bonus.

Every time I find a vulnerability on a promotion I report it to the support, that's what users should do, this way the casinos can lock the promotion before it gets exploited.

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June 16, 2022, 02:54:14 PM
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It is also a good thing to tell to support if there is an issue with the promotion that they has running at the moment.

But if you put a bonus promotion, you should also accept that many users will try to abuse on it, or just put rules that only registered users can have an access to it.


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June 16, 2022, 03:57:23 PM
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of course the Cheater/abuser , who do you think to be blame in this? the site is making business and those abusers wanted a MONKEY BUSINESS .

So they are the one who must be blame here.
If the abuse made intentionally, I see that as a the one to blame for but if the site is not that good and not secured then other gamblers are being tempted to abuse the system, I think the gambling site is the one who are responsible for this. You can't just make a promotion if you think your site is not secured yet, once you have this bonuses you should be more confident about your own system. Technically, the abuser will get what he deserve and this is an eye opener for the site to be more secured next time.
It means that everyone is at fault because the casino has made offers that tempt gamblers to give it a try and take the bonus. Meanwhile, the gambler discovers that he can cheat to take his bonus. Each of them has different intentions and probably the gambler will be the most to blame in this case because they use the bonus more than what the casino has given them. They shouldn't have cheated. At the same time, the casino can also provide a ban for gamblers who try to cheat.

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June 16, 2022, 04:01:12 PM
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Ofc the ones to blame are the fraudsters. No way in hell is there a world where the act of scamming/taking advantage of a loophole is the right thing to do.

For me scamming is very different from taking advantage of casino promotion. I'll make an analogy for this to explain more properly:

Taking advantage in sense of participating in it is very different from exploiting the glitch or loophole of a casino.  It may not be cheating in its own meaning but part of the gaming community see this as cheating because of the unfair advantage it gives to a player.

Scamming is like cheating, it's like using a 3rd party-tool to a particular casino or website to rigged their game for your own benefit. It's stated on their TOS that using those are illegal and can face some serious charges if proven to be guilty.

Mostly, rule about a promotional exploit is not listed on the TOS but promotions have their own set of rules and the moment a person participated in it, they are bound to the said conditions.  

While promotion abuse or exploit doesn't violate anything on the TOS making people not afraid to do it. It is the fault of casino owners because they did not review properly if there will be a loophole on their promotion.

It does violate the  TOS, if a Casino implements a 1 account per person policy, sometimes 1 account per IP policy, then an exploit through creating multiple accounts to abuse the bonus is breaching the Casino TOS. So in this scenario, the owner created an anti-exploit condition but abuser just ignore them.
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I remember this same argument when we are at group , Someone pointed that it is casinos fault to not finding every bugs and problems their site might experience first before releasing the game .
but some pointed that if you are not a greed gambler and a fair one? then you will be exposing those problem instead of abusing so for me personally ? it is  always the abuser that will be in blame here , because not the advantage is what we need to talk but the honesty .

It is one thing to use some kind of casino error in the program (and in an honest way) - only the casino is to blame here. And it's another matter to break the explicitly prescribed rules by creating multi-accounts and repeatedly receiving a bonus that is provided according to the rules once. Obviously, these are different situations, and only the cheater is to blame for the second - the one who breaks the rules.

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June 16, 2022, 05:59:45 PM
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Ofc the ones to blame are the fraudsters. No way in hell is there a world where the act of scamming/taking advantage of a loophole is the right thing to do.

For me scamming is very different from taking advantage of casino promotion. I'll make an analogy for this to explain more properly:

Scamming is like cheating, it's like using a 3rd party-tool to a particular casino or website to rigged their game for your own benefit. It's stated on their TOS that using those are illegal and can face some serious charges if proven to be guilty.

While promotion abuse or exploit doesn't violate anything on the TOS making people not afraid to do it. It is the fault of casino owners because they did not review properly if there will be a loophole on their promotion.

Certainly, it's the management's fault why there's an existing loophole in their promotions and obviously it cannot be called as a scam or taking advantage because that's only natural because people are smart enough to know what to do in order to have some money while the promotion still exists. They should've reviewed it properly and have the proper people to oversee it to avoid these kind of things.

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June 16, 2022, 08:24:16 PM
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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
This all started at the casino. If they don't exist, there will also be no reports like this. I don't mean fraudsters will stop but they are still there finding loopholes on other platforms. Casino already lose a lot of money from those fraudsters and it seems not right if we will also blame them on top of that. No need to do that but we can instead give them advises on what they can do next or give an advice to those who are going to venture on this business if what they are going to do, in case they don't have a proper knowledge about this.

For now, I will blame the fraudsters because they don't use their knowledge for good but they use this to damage business that operates fairly.
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June 16, 2022, 08:34:36 PM
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I remember this same argument when we are at group , Someone pointed that it is casinos fault to not finding every bugs and problems their site might experience first before releasing the game .
but some pointed that if you are not a greed gambler and a fair one? then you will be exposing those problem instead of abusing so for me personally ? it is  always the abuser that will be in blame here , because not the advantage is what we need to talk but the honesty .

It is one thing to use some kind of casino error in the program (and in an honest way) - only the casino is to blame here. And it's another matter to break the explicitly prescribed rules by creating multi-accounts and repeatedly receiving a bonus that is provided according to the rules once. Obviously, these are different situations, and only the cheater is to blame for the second - the one who breaks the rules.

I believe both sides have the responsibility on this matter. Site owners should secure their platform as free from bugs and other potential problems from attackers. Whereas, from the players' end, they should not abuse the site if there will be promos and other bonuses offered. However, you can't expect both to happen. At some point, one will fail to do their part. But at the end of the day, one should take care of their own business, because if not, they are the ones who will be losing their business.
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Ultimately, the responsibility rests with the player himself. There are many instances where there is some kind of miscommunication. I think that big casinos don't bother about small amounts and still award these bonuses to the player himself. However, it is the player's responsibility to check the terms and conditions of the bonus carefully to avoid any problems. Or better yet, don't accept bonuses from the site. That prevents a lot of trouble.

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June 16, 2022, 09:23:06 PM
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It is also a good thing to tell to support if there is an issue with the promotion that they has running at the moment.

But if you put a bonus promotion, you should also accept that many users will try to abuse on it, or just put rules that only registered users can have an access to it.
Even if it's known that the promotion will be abused, as an organizer of the said event it's important to follow what's written on the rules and that should be respected at all. If the promotion does allow unregistered users then that's totally messed up in the first place. It should always have a rule to follow for it to have smooth flow.
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June 16, 2022, 09:30:01 PM
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Most of the blame goes to the site because if they have made all adequate preparation and fixed all security checks their bonus system will not just be abused like that. So the highest blame is on the site the abuser is just a criminal looking for opportunities to abuse bonuses.

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June 16, 2022, 10:48:53 PM
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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.



Any casinos don't want this to happen to them, the bonus is goodwill for their loyal players and an invitation for new players to try out their site, and they don't want their bonus to be abused but these cheaters are good at what they are doing, they able to catch some but not those who are experienced cheaters, we must help casinos from catching these cheaters, and we should not blame casinos its not their fault, they don't want this to happen to their casinos but there are some people who are good in cheating and able to escape detection.

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June 16, 2022, 11:05:00 PM
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I believe anyone who went into the scam with a bad intention is to blame. Why should we put different people in groups based on superficial and arbitrary blaming of groups?

If the online gambling casino is to blame because it obviously got some kind of profit or advantage from the scam then its the casino which is to blame. Same goes with the "customers" are you called them. A casino needs good security but even if someone breaks through that security it does not make them not responsible for their scamming actions...

So its a bit of a difficult answer I guess.

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June 16, 2022, 11:08:54 PM
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I blame the Casinos and let me explain why.

Each time the casino creates a new bonus they decide the rules, and if a smart customer finds a way to take advantage of this bonus is because the casino does a bad job releasing a bonus that can be exploited. So, each time a user abuses any bonus promo es because that promotion wasn't well designed and from my point of view that's the casino's fault.

I know that thing can't be avoided but that shouldn't be a reason for those fraudsters to do such dirty tricks. And I think with today's promotions and bonuses by several gambling sites, strict terms are being taken place and that is something abusers can't do easily. It's not the casino to blame but these fraudsters are really focused on determining the ways to exploit the bonuses that they are doing the planning for 24/7.

There's no 100% protection on that issue that's why as long as the exploit was revealed, gambling sites should act quickly to solve it as much as possible.
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June 17, 2022, 03:51:15 AM
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of course the Cheater/abuser , who do you think to be blame in this? the site is making business and those abusers wanted a MONKEY BUSINESS .

So they are the one who must be blame here.
if the abuse made intentionally,
That is why it is called ABUSE mate because it is intentionally created m because if its now? then it is just a MISTAKE .

this is why the blame is completely to the ABUSER and not to anyone or anything.
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June 17, 2022, 04:32:46 AM
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Ultimately, the responsibility rests with the player himself. There are many instances where there is some kind of miscommunication. I think that big casinos don't bother about small amounts and still award these bonuses to the player himself. However, it is the player's responsibility to check the terms and conditions of the bonus carefully to avoid any problems. Or better yet, don't accept bonuses from the site. That prevents a lot of trouble.
That's why it is called Bonus because each players are entitled to take them out , but it is not a reason to abuse them , meaning if you are giving a  bonus just use on the limit the site has given and not to extend the advantage once we find a leak or some irregularities to the site.
so I believe that Both are to blame here, it is the team who does not secure their site? and the players who take advantage of the situation .









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June 17, 2022, 06:38:18 AM
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That's why it is called Bonus because each players are entitled to take them out , but it is not a reason to abuse them , meaning if you are giving a  bonus just use on the limit the site has given and not to extend the advantage once we find a leak or some irregularities to the site.
so I believe that Both are to blame here, it is the team who does not secure their site? and the players who take advantage of the situation .

I just came to realize that bonus abuse isn't really because of the site's lack and poor security but rather there are flaws in the Terms. Sometimes the site thinks that everything is smooth but as always, abusers will really find a way to take advantage of those flaws. They will just realize that something not right is happening after several weeks or even months.

Instead of blaming the site, let's just help instead of the site by giving them a prompt about bonus abuse. After they confirmed it for sure a reward is waiting for the bug discoverer. Unfortunately, in most cases, the bug discoverer might also abuse first the bonus terms before reporting it lol.

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I'm confused by the question, really. Clearly, the one to be blamed for abuse of any kind is... the abuser?

If you see a rise in financial fraud, is it also the fault of the finance industry that gets bigger? If you see a rise in shop theft, is it that shops are also to blame?

I understand for sure that sometimes there are external conditions like a bad economy and joblessness that can lead to overall hike in crime, or even longer term society things like lack of access to education and poverty. But then that affects everything else.

Perhaps industry casinos are just getting better at detecting abuse that makes it look like there's more?

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Perhaps industry casinos are just getting better at detecting abuse that makes it look like there's more?

Fiat Casinos yes but crypto casino, without KYC or other procedures to identify a user of a service in a CERTAIN manner it is practically impossible to prevent someone not "fraud" the online bonus system.
Unfortunately, there will always be someone who will try to cheat such a system, however negligible as a number.

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June 17, 2022, 09:28:58 AM
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I'm confused by the question, really. Clearly, the one to be blamed for abuse of any kind is... the abuser?

If you see a rise in financial fraud, is it also the fault of the finance industry that gets bigger? If you see a rise in shop theft, is it that shops are also to blame?

I understand for sure that sometimes there are external conditions like a bad economy and joblessness that can lead to overall hike in crime, or even longer term society things like lack of access to education and poverty. But then that affects everything else.

Perhaps industry casinos are just getting better at detecting abuse that makes it look like there's more?
There's really nothing to be confused about the question but you cannot blame the merchant or the casino for these scenarios. Clearly, the casino did the promotion or the bonus for new users to attract more users to the platform. However, there will always be an abuser for these kinds of promotions or bonuses. Also, these kinds of abusers can also be seen not only in the gambling industry but in any industry instead.

A lot of people are exposing loopholes to various platforms and doing illicit activities to their advantage and to earn money. This is pretty much common which is why platforms have policies for the bonuses they are implementing such as doing some bets or that you have certain points to be able to receive these bonuses.

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June 17, 2022, 10:19:41 AM
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That's why it is called Bonus because each players are entitled to take them out , but it is not a reason to abuse them , meaning if you are giving a  bonus just use on the limit the site has given and not to extend the advantage once we find a leak or some irregularities to the site.
so I believe that Both are to blame here, it is the team who does not secure their site? and the players who take advantage of the situation .

I just came to realize that bonus abuse isn't really because of the site's lack and poor security but rather there are flaws in the Terms. Sometimes the site thinks that everything is smooth but as always, abusers will really find a way to take advantage of those flaws. They will just realize that something not right is happening after several weeks or even months.

In part, the security of the site is also the culprit. If something irregular keeps on happening and the administrators are not notified then the security of the site is lacking on some of the routine checks that should be present on the platform. True that it's mostly with the terms of the bonuses which the players are abusing, but security also comes in to play somehow.


Instead of blaming the site, let's just help instead of the site by giving them a prompt about bonus abuse. After they confirmed it for sure a reward is waiting for the bug discoverer. Unfortunately, in most cases, the bug discoverer might also abuse first the bonus terms before reporting it lol.

IMO this is somewhat important to make sure that the bug can be replicated and is a critical threat to the site. Without them replicating the said issue, the platform can just dismiss that it exists and not take action against the said bug and end up losing more money in the end. But yeah, not all bug reporters are honest people so they can take some for themselves before finally reporting it.

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June 17, 2022, 10:33:15 AM
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Of course gambling site owner should be blamed for giving an opportunity to abuse bonus system. They have failed at making a secured system and they have discussed bonus rules. People that abuse bonuses can be divided into two categories. Those who did it on purpose. And those who are just curious how things work, they investigate and as a reward for finding weakness, they are being rewarded. Some people even call system abuse as a lifehack. Cheating is also sort of a lifehack. However cheating is bad, and lifehacks are something people value and seek. Double standarts.

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June 17, 2022, 11:37:41 AM
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Well, the bonus abuse can stopped with better security system and criteria to meet the bonus like atleast 1x wagering amount before the withdrawal and something like that. Most of the popular casinos are doing it better but the players starts to blame the casino for not letting them to withdraw when actually the mistake is by their side si casinos are doing what they are meant to. Play responsibly anything over do will let us drown into it at some point.









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June 17, 2022, 03:15:25 PM
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Well, the bonus abuse can stopped with better security system and criteria to meet the bonus like atleast 1x wagering amount before the withdrawal and something like that. Most of the popular casinos are doing it better but the players starts to blame the casino for not letting them to withdraw when actually the mistake is by their side si casinos are doing what they are meant to. Play responsibly anything over do will let us drown into it at some point.
Bonus abuse can actually stop with security system upgrade but then what are we going to do about bug coming up once in a while, this is why casino must always thrive to be ahead of this bad guys who are constantly looking for a way to cheat the system.

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June 17, 2022, 03:34:55 PM
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Well, the bonus abuse can stopped with better security system and criteria to meet the bonus like atleast 1x wagering amount before the withdrawal and something like that. Most of the popular casinos are doing it better but the players starts to blame the casino for not letting them to withdraw when actually the mistake is by their side si casinos are doing what they are meant to. Play responsibly anything over do will let us drown into it at some point.

If I'm not mistaken, deposit bonuses (which go up to 100%) usually require a gigantic wagering requirement (something like x5 and up). Therefore, if the gambler does not explicitly violate the rules (makes arbitrage bets on multi-accounts using bonuses), then if he was able to honestly win back his bonus, then we can say that the casino is not left in the red.
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June 17, 2022, 03:44:13 PM
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Well, the bonus abuse can stopped with better security system and criteria to meet the bonus like atleast 1x wagering amount before the withdrawal and something like that. Most of the popular casinos are doing it better but the players starts to blame the casino for not letting them to withdraw when actually the mistake is by their side si casinos are doing what they are meant to. Play responsibly anything over do will let us drown into it at some point.
Bonus abuse can actually stop with security system upgrade but then what are we going to do about bug coming up once in a while, this is why casino must always thrive to be ahead of this bad guys who are constantly looking for a way to cheat the system.

These experiences encounter by other is learning experience to new one want to launch a casino business here. They shouldn't rush things and make sure that they have high security which is away from exploits and other abuses that might happen to them. That's why they need proper planning nor do bug bounty contest to know more what possible lapses they have so that they provide a smooth platform to their bettors.

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June 17, 2022, 04:30:59 PM
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Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I think the owners or operators would be blame. They need to always check for loopholes on their website so that even when heckers or cheaters try they won't succeed, they make their site subsceptible to fraudstars because you done expose your fish to attackers, they will eat it up.

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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I really don't know why we need someone to blame. There's no need to blame one another they should be responsible for their own act. As for the operators, they need to have a monthly monitoring so that they could see if there's a loophole in their system or the way they want to give bonuses to people. I am sure there's a monitoring team for that and they have a good programmers in the field. We can admit that as long as we the users benefits from that kind of matter we will not report it or make a ticket, if there's a Bug Bounty possible it will be resolve earlier.
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June 17, 2022, 04:46:39 PM
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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
It is said that when a man knows not the value of a thing abuse is inevitable. But in this case the value of the casino bonuses is well known to the customers/gamblers so it's rather an abuse out of greed and the casinos are not to be blame for such an abuse cause bonuses is part of a way  Casinos use in  advertising for attracting more customers, make increase in bet and giving their customers some feeling of satisfaction.

It would be better casinos and other betting site tighten their security and attached certain stringent measure to obtaining their bonuses so the abuse can be reduced. Because every gambler wishes to win so when they are left with such opportunity (bonuses) they will try every means possible take advantage.
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June 17, 2022, 04:54:27 PM
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Basically casinos only give out bonuses to reward their customers, not to abuse them. When the casino finds abuse, then of course the user in question has the right to be blamed and can be subject to consequences for his actions.

It might be very unfair to blame the casino for its bonus program, they want to give the best to their customers but people are so greedy that they abuse it. Although not very much, but usually the casino will have data about the IP and may require them to complete KYC if there is any suspicion and that will be the best way to prevent it.

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June 17, 2022, 05:33:02 PM
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Customers are now tech-savvy, that's a given. Hell, even a 5-year-old kid today can make an application while I still don't know how to do it.  Grin
Both ends are to blame and as you said, the gambling site should be ready for this to happen as there are already events like this that happened before which made their businesses go bankrupt.
The same goes for the customers. The question is why? It could be addiction or their means of like a "job" due to the loss of income made by the pandemic. 

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June 17, 2022, 05:35:09 PM
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Basically casinos only give out bonuses to reward their customers, not to abuse them. When the casino finds abuse, then of course the user in question has the right to be blamed and can be subject to consequences for his actions.

It might be very unfair to blame the casino for its bonus program, they want to give the best to their customers but people are so greedy that they abuse it. Although not very much, but usually the casino will have data about the IP and may require them to complete KYC if there is any suspicion and that will be the best way to prevent it.

You don't do nothing with the IP address, if you use a proxy server you can easily bypass this safety control. What is really important is to use the KYC, in this way user can't do any bonus abusing, and is locked. He will try

to register with the ID of mother, father, girlfriend, ecc. but he can't do more than that. It is the best practice in my opinion.


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June 17, 2022, 07:19:55 PM
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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
Gambling sites always offer different types of bonuses. There are various reasons why they can give you bonuses like they can give you bonuses on deposits. Can give referrals so that their users will be increased etc. If you can do it with some difficult conditions then you will not get the bonus. However, there are very few people I have met who can qualify that bonus. But I would say that it is always abused most of the time.

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June 17, 2022, 07:32:55 PM
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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
I can say that it’s the fault of both parties, the customer and the merchant itself. But it’s more on the abuser itself because he knows already that it’s not going to end up good, but still he chose to take the risk. However, for casinos themselves, they should also limit their bonuses to every player so that the promotion will not be abused or exploited. Otherwise, whatever the consequences right after, the casino and it’s abusive player will suffer.

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June 17, 2022, 07:37:18 PM
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It is one thing to use some kind of casino error in the program (and in an honest way) - only the casino is to blame here. And it's another matter to break the explicitly prescribed rules by creating multi-accounts and repeatedly receiving a bonus that is provided according to the rules once. Obviously, these are different situations, and only the cheater is to blame for the second - the one who breaks the rules.

I believe both sides have the responsibility on this matter. Site owners should secure their platform as free from bugs and other potential problems from attackers. Whereas, from the players' end, they should not abuse the site if there will be promos and other bonuses offered. However, you can't expect both to happen. At some point, one will fail to do their part. But at the end of the day, one should take care of their own business, because if not, they are the ones who will be losing their business.

You are mixing different things. It's one thing when the casino has no advantage due to incorrect settings (and the player, on the contrary, has it) - this is the problem of the casino and the player has the right to win as much as he can before the error is discovered. And it's another matter when a player himself breaks the casino software in order to "win" or uses multi-accounts (this is prohibited by the rules) to abuse bonuses. In the first case, there is no blame of the casino, there is only a mistake. In the second case, the player is at blame.

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June 17, 2022, 09:45:45 PM
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That's why it is called Bonus because each players are entitled to take them out , but it is not a reason to abuse them , meaning if you are giving a  bonus just use on the limit the site has given and not to extend the advantage once we find a leak or some irregularities to the site.
so I believe that Both are to blame here, it is the team who does not secure their site? and the players who take advantage of the situation .

I just came to realize that bonus abuse isn't really because of the site's lack and poor security but rather there are flaws in the Terms. Sometimes the site thinks that everything is smooth but as always, abusers will really find a way to take advantage of those flaws. They will just realize that something not right is happening after several weeks or even months.

As far as I know, bonus abuse is often accompanied by multi-accounting and many casinos declared multi-accounting isn't allowed and that doing so is against their Terms of Service.  There are also mention of promotional abuse to be a ground for account termination.

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PERSONAL USE. The Service is intended solely for the User's personal use. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Users may not create multiple accounts for the purpose of collusion, sports betting and/or abuse of service.
source: https://stake.com/policies/terms

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We may terminate or suspend Your Account immediately, without prior notice or liability, for any reason whatsoever, including without limitation if You breach these Terms and Conditions.

Any attempts to commit fraud against the Website, the Company, or another Customer of our Services will result in an immediate termination of your Account on duelbits.com. This includes fraud and attempted fraud against our users via Steam or Cryptocurrency wallets or abusing promotions on or for duelbits.com or free on-site credit gifts.

Upon termination, Your right to use the Service will cease immediately. If You wish to terminate Your Account, You may simply discontinue using the Service.

Multiple accounts per household IP/Subnet. If multiple natural persons from the same household wish to access duelbits.com please inform our Support first and complete the verification for each of them. Our Support will gladly assist you in the verification and explain to You everything, that is needed from You.
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You warrant not to create any additional accounts from the same electronic device, household, IP address, natural person, or legal identity without informing the Roobet support team immediately. Multiple accounts made in order to trick, manipulate or trick the company's system in any way are not allowed and will be terminated without warning. All Roobidos in a terminated account will be lost. All accounts made to circumvent the company's KYC and AML checks and verifications will be reported to the authorities. Further information regarding the KYC and AML checks and verification can be found in our KYC-AML Policy. You warrant to report any additional account created by yourself or a close relative sharing an electronic device, household, IP address, or identity card without delay to the Roobet Support and fully verify it according to the KYC-AML policy.
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So I think that bonus abuse is covered by the TOS of many casinos as ground for account banning or termination.

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June 17, 2022, 09:55:13 PM
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Abusing bonus by doing something fraud or cheats is a mistake and this is a criminal moreover to get money from others or certain platforms. This will not be good not only for the platform but also for other users because it may decrease the chance for others to get the bonus. On the other hands, the developers of the platforms should also increase the security from this kind of abuse although it may not be easy. This will always happens, that is why many platforms make more strict regulations about the bonus claims and withdrawal.
If we are talking who is mistaken, The fraud people did, but it becomes also a warn for platform to be more careful

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Not a big problem, tho

Most of this "bonuses" are cheap tricks in fact. I've seen a lot of such "you need to wagger 20 btc and you will get your bonus money to withdraw" things.

So if you cheating a little, this not make you bad

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June 17, 2022, 10:13:57 PM
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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes?

The fact remains that you can't outsmart anyone in spy of you unknowingly to you, one befomes their target and they finds every means to ensure a successful penetration, buy building a system that is security conscious is a good blow on hackers and fraudster as this will offer them a threat, same applies to building a house with weak concretes, it will surely collapse at the sight of little attack because of it little security measures in place,
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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes?

The fact remains that you can't outsmart anyone in spy of you unknowingly to you, one befomes their target and they finds every means to ensure a successful penetration, buy building a system that is security conscious is a good blow on hackers and fraudster as this will offer them a threat, same applies to building a house with weak concretes, it will surely collapse at the sight of little attack because of it little security measures in place,
If the casino doesn't have a good security system, they will get leaks on their site. And regarding bonus abuse, it will be a challenge for casinos to keep them from experiencing that, maybe by tightening the rules for people who can get the bonus to check the people who will register on their site. That way, they won't be subjected to fraudulent attempts by people who deliberately want to get more bonuses from their site.

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June 18, 2022, 06:47:55 AM
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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I would say that it is a cat and mouse game between some gamblers and the casinos. The casinos are probably trying to staying ahead of the gamblers and limit the possibilities to abuse promotion system, but they have only a limited budget and there is always the possibility of human errors. When it comes to IT security we know there is never a 100% safety. If people are willing to spend enough time and money they will be able to find ways around it. The same goes for exploiting casino promotions. The larger the promotion of the casino the higher the incentive for gamblers to find an exploit. I expect that most gamblers are not actively looking to abuse the system. Only if it becomes to easy and the exploit is circulated online a large number of gamblers would use it. It's like someone teaching us the way to find free money. The casino on the other side will likely get ride of any abuse fast. I am wondering if casinos make an analysis to check how much money they make of a promotion, and how much money they lose due to abuses. As long as it's positive it should be okay for the casino.
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June 18, 2022, 06:55:47 AM
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I believe anyone who went into the scam with a bad intention is to blame. Why should we put different people in groups based on superficial and arbitrary blaming of groups?

If the online gambling casino is to blame because it obviously got some kind of profit or advantage from the scam then its the casino which is to blame. Same goes with the "customers" are you called them. A casino needs good security but even if someone breaks through that security it does not make them not responsible for their scamming actions...

So its a bit of a difficult answer I guess.

Online casinos and players are, in a certain sense, allies - there is a symbiotic relationship between them.  

The online casino seeks to convey to the player information about the benefits that the casino can provide to him, to demonstrate to him the design of the casino, a set of gambling games, and interface management tools.  

This is what the bonus system is for....  

The player seeks to find a casino in which he will be comfortable playing.  

There is no need to abuse the bonus system. This can bankrupt online casinos and harm honest players.

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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
both

people should always think that just because you can abuse something does not mean you should abuse it. as for the gambling operators, I am sure they already expected that people always look for bugs, glitches, and loopholes to abuse. they should be more active in finding out whether their system is being abused.

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June 18, 2022, 07:36:34 AM
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There are a lot of people out there that has either lost a lot of money on gambling or those that are simply motivated to do this, because they want to beat the "House"

These people know the odds/house edge is stacked heavily against them to ever profit from gambling, so they take the challenge to cheat the system... to give them a higher chance to beat the house. The casinos are also making a huge profit, so they are ripe for the picking and they are an ideal target for scammers.

This is not just happening in online gambling.... it has been a problem at brick n mortar casinos for years. Money attract thieves and scammers... and casinos have a lot of money.  Wink

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Perhaps industry casinos are just getting better at detecting abuse that makes it look like there's more?

Fiat Casinos yes but crypto casino, without KYC or other procedures to identify a user of a service in a CERTAIN manner it is practically impossible to prevent someone not "fraud" the online bonus system.
Unfortunately, there will always be someone who will try to cheat such a system, however negligible as a number.

Ok, but I still don't get what your point is. Prevention is one thing, being better at preventing is another, the question really is who is to blame, and I don't think there is anyone to blame but the culprit. And why look for blame?

My only offer to explain the increased fraud detection is simply that with better detection and better reporting, of course instances seem higher.

There's really nothing to be confused about the question but you cannot blame the merchant or the casino for these scenarios. Clearly, the casino did the promotion or the bonus for new users to attract more users to the platform. However, there will always be an abuser for these kinds of promotions or bonuses. Also, these kinds of abusers can also be seen not only in the gambling industry but in any industry instead.

A lot of people are exposing loopholes to various platforms and doing illicit activities to their advantage and to earn money. This is pretty much common which is why platforms have policies for the bonuses they are implementing such as doing some bets or that you have certain points to be able to receive these bonuses.

Er, yeah that's exactly what I said, which is why it's a confusing question.

Why the need to ask the question when there IS NO question of who to blame?

Anyway, think I'll end my responses here before they go on the pointless path it already looks like it's going down lol

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Both, the abusers in first place who is to be blame and also casinos who don't anticipate the possibility of misuse of bonuses, which is why Casinos must have a good security system that can at least reduce cheaters to abuse the bonuses or promotions they provide, because multi-accounts or cheaters will always there, that's why Casino should have something that can be reduce cheater to penetrated Casino system.
Thee had been recent hike in abuses of casinos' bonus system. Many gamblers are mostly interested in a casino especially the new ones offering gambling bonus to use users for first time deposit of account creation. Many gamblers always use this opportunity given to them to create multiple accounts and use it to give bonuses to gamble at the same time win many bets and want to cash out.
Most time when casinos noticed this scam attempt, they mostly shot down the bonuses and ban accounts of users including those ones that are genuine making it look like the casino is bad and don't want to pay gamblers funds.

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June 18, 2022, 09:40:35 AM
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Both, the abusers in first place who is to be blame and also casinos who don't anticipate the possibility of misuse of bonuses, which is why Casinos must have a good security system that can at least reduce cheaters to abuse the bonuses or promotions they provide, because multi-accounts or cheaters will always there, that's why Casino should have something that can be reduce cheater to penetrated Casino system.
Thee had been recent hike in abuses of casinos' bonus system. Many gamblers are mostly interested in a casino especially the new ones offering gambling bonus to use users for first time deposit of account creation. Many gamblers always use this opportunity given to them to create multiple accounts and use it to give bonuses to gamble at the same time win many bets and want to cash out.
Most time when casinos noticed this scam attempt, they mostly shot down the bonuses and ban accounts of users including those ones that are genuine making it look like the casino is bad and don't want to pay gamblers funds.
Not a scam attempt but rather being abusive because they are taking advantage of an exploit which they had able to discover on how they would really abuse such bonuses and perks.

There's no such thing about perfect system where mistakes like this could possibly happen and it's casinos mistake I should say or a costly mistake if they don't resolve it immediately that's why it's always important to make sure everything.

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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

If there are any bonus abuses that has been happening in a gambling website and some users participate in such abuse, then these players run into the conflict of having their accounts banned. Since any form of online abuse of loopholes in the rules may be construed as an activity that is against their TOS, these players should not complain in the event that they get banned and their funds be confiscated or withheld from them.

A gambling website should keep their bonuses and other activities monitored. These are the types of activities that they should keep an eye about since registration bonuses can be subject to abuse by players and gamblers alike.

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Well, to be honest, I'm against victim blaming therefore I'd blame the fraudster. But, it doesn't mean that the customers is not at fault, they could've done some research first before believing on sudden bonuses on a certain gambling site. The online casino is at fault as well for not being aware of such thing, or not giving an early warning to their users regarding about such matter.
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There are a lot of people out there that has either lost a lot of money on gambling or those that are simply motivated to do this, because they want to beat the "House"

These people know the odds/house edge is stacked heavily against them to ever profit from gambling, so they take the challenge to cheat the system... to give them a higher chance to beat the house. The casinos are also making a huge profit, so they are ripe for the picking and they are an ideal target for scammers.

This is not just happening in online gambling.... it has been a problem at brick n mortar casinos for years. Money attract thieves and scammers... and casinos have a lot of money.  Wink

 Grin Perhaps the harsh truth is that the total profit of thieves and scammers is less than their total losses. We all know that casinos easily block accounts that just get suspicious and it is very difficult to unblock them. Therefore, it is quite possible that casinos earn more on greedy but stupid cheaters than they lose on smart cheaters who still manage to abuse bonuses.

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June 18, 2022, 09:42:25 PM
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Well, to be honest, I'm against victim blaming therefore I'd blame the fraudster. But, it doesn't mean that the customers is not at fault, they could've done some research first before believing on sudden bonuses on a certain gambling site. The online casino is at fault as well for not being aware of such thing, or not giving an early warning to their users regarding about such matter.
^ In my own, probably there is nothing to blame if as a player you know about the casino that you have picked. That is why, I always practice myself to read the ToS first or even the FaQ before picking a gambling casino so that I know if there is a good bonus and rules also that can be avoided so that not to turn into abuse.
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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
I would say both. The gambling merchants should have seen this coming before they create those promotions knowing the customers will always take advantage every promotion because for them, its already an opportunity to build profits. However, the customers or the gamblers themselves should never be greedy and should be responsible enough to think that those promotions are for everyone and not just for himself only. And they should also be responsible to follow the rules of every gambling site so it won't result into abuse or exploitation on part of the gambling's site bonuses or promotions.

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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
It's unfair if we blame users who abuse this signup bonus because gambling business owners hold sign-up bonuses to attract more customers. it is difficult to dispel users who try to abuse the new registrant bonus held by a gambling site because the loopholes for users to abuse the system (bonus) are still enormous. So in this case, the owner who held the bonus and also used the abuse bonus was the one who was blamed (both).

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On this bonus issue, casinos should put rules, I happen to see a lot of rules that casinos put so that people can withdraw such a bonus. I see so many rules that to this day I don't understand how people still think about abusing such a bonus when the rules for withdrawing such a bonus are not something so easy to comply with. I can only imagine that the casinos where they abuse the bonus are new casinos and they don't put hard rules to prevent bonus abuse. That's why, in my opinion, the blame for abuse is on the customers.

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To blame are greedy people wanting to earn more than they should and it is only natural that casinos would not allow this to happen in their casinos. If casinos give bonuses to new customers, it is also a normal way to attract people to come and play at their casinos. But unfortunately, many of them then abuse the bonus by creating another account just to get more. Somehow, the casino will know the abusers and block them immediately.
Yeah especially greedy users take advantage of no deposit bonuses and abuse the promotion with multi accounts. Using VPN and getting fresh IP addresses is enough for new account unless there is a KYC.
Some users even accumulate bonuses given by casino based on period of user has wagered but user doesn't deposit for months and wager with bonuses only. Both cases depend on ToS of casinos and the management is in charge to regulate such situations.

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On this bonus issue, casinos should put rules, I happen to see a lot of rules that casinos put so that people can withdraw such a bonus. I see so many rules that to this day I don't understand how people still think about abusing such a bonus when the rules for withdrawing such a bonus are not something so easy to comply with. I can only imagine that the casinos where they abuse the bonus are new casinos and they don't put hard rules to prevent bonus abuse. That's why, in my opinion, the blame for abuse is on the customers.

Obviously, there's a rule. However, abusers will always be abusers that even to the point that it's difficult to take advantage of it, they can still find a way.

That's why to somehow prevent this, the community should help the gambling site to check some bugs and flaws in the promotions or bonuses as for sure, there's a reward for it.  And making a hard rule shouldn't always be a priority. That will make new users not interested in trying the gambling site. The rules and terms should just be balanced to still attract new users to the site.

I'm sure most of us here don't like the idea of having difficult requirements to get those bonuses.

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June 20, 2022, 03:01:02 AM
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On this bonus issue, casinos should put rules, I happen to see a lot of rules that casinos put so that people can withdraw such a bonus. I see so many rules that to this day I don't understand how people still think about abusing such a bonus when the rules for withdrawing such a bonus are not something so easy to comply with. I can only imagine that the casinos where they abuse the bonus are new casinos and they don't put hard rules to prevent bonus abuse. That's why, in my opinion, the blame for abuse is on the customers.

Even if there are some hard rules, abusers will always come if there is a chance to make profit from the bonus. Abuses happens almost in any casino regardless they are new or old. One example is the one in your signature, I'm sure there are still many abuse attempts in the casino although they are old casino. If I have to make percentage about who to blame, I'll say 75% to the abusers and 25% to the casino because the casinos cant prevent abuses effectively.

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June 20, 2022, 03:50:01 AM
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Both parties has to be blamed here ,

The site/team because they launched the site without even noticing those abusive situation and that is what we need to understand , because there will be no abuser if they cannot find something to be abused.

The Abuser because they must not abuse the site because it is not something they must be proud of.

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June 20, 2022, 10:19:36 AM
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Yeah especially greedy users take advantage of no deposit bonuses and abuse the promotion with multi accounts. Using VPN and getting fresh IP addresses is enough for new account unless there is a KYC.
Some users even accumulate bonuses given by casino based on period of user has wagered but user doesn't deposit for months and wager with bonuses only. Both cases depend on ToS of casinos and the management is in charge to regulate such situations.
We have often seen these greedy users abuse promotions and end up with their account being closed by the casino and complaining to the casino. But some users have successfully used the promotion by creating multiple accounts. Still, I don't think it will last long because the casino will check all the new users who register in their casino since the promotion launch. For the second case, I think it's okay because maybe the user wants to convince themselves that the casino is trustworthy and can deposit some money safely. But as you said, it will depend on the ToS of each casino which can vary.

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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
Looking at the scenario, and the way things go now on the internet knowing that scammers will always tend to abuse any loopholes, I blame the gambling operators for failure to implement the necessary robot that could spot abuse and account alterations before such a site goes live or a promo been announced to the public. Scammers will always be scammers, but your ability to limit such acts will save the casino from spending extra cost

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September 12, 2022, 06:39:53 PM
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every promotion carried out by gambling sites has a large enough abuse loophole and it's not just 1 or 2 gambling sites that have experienced this. it's difficult for gambling sites to prevent this, especially those that don't require KYC, the gap for abuse is getting bigger, the problem is that gambling sites that require KYC will be deserted because people prefer non-KYC. the conclusion is that no one is to blame!!

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September 12, 2022, 07:17:26 PM
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the problem is that gambling sites that require KYC will be deserted because people prefer non-KYC. the conclusion is that no one is to blame!!

Gambling site that doesn't operation kyc are those that are likely to be abused if they are giving bonus because more registration means you can get more bonus and because there is no restriction to registration then more will try to beat it. Those who don't make the Kyc role will have more traffic of customers and you don't expect what is not regulated to be abuse free
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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I really don't know why we need someone to blame. There's no need to blame one another they should be responsible for their own act. As for the operators, they need to have a monthly monitoring so that they could see if there's a loophole in their system or the way they want to give bonuses to people. I am sure there's a monitoring team for that and they have a good programmers in the field. We can admit that as long as we the users benefits from that kind of matter we will not report it or make a ticket, if there's a Bug Bounty possible it will be resolve earlier.
Definitely it’s the both that should be blamed. The operators should be responsible all the time on the security of their own casino system and strictly prohibits the occurrence of loopholes. Although sometimes things like these become inevitable, but as much as possible it should not be supposed to be happening. As for fraudsters, cheaters are cheaters, hopefully they will realize that doing it continuously will only put their lives miserable in the end.

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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

In reality gambling companies don't get any benefit from people abusing the system and in fact pay large amounts for teams that seek to stamp it out. The sort of people who go to great lengths to take advantage and abuse the system of bonuses tend to stray into many grey areas, which then lead further on to pure criminal activity. These sort of cheaters will often go to extreme lengths if they perceive the ability to squeeze free money out of a company and we must remember that a single dollar has a very different value in different countries. If somebody is able to make say $300 dollars by jumping through numerous, but repeatable, hoops.. then they could potentially live an above average life in somewhere like Venezuela.

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September 12, 2022, 10:14:58 PM
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every promotion carried out by gambling sites has a large enough abuse loophole and it's not just 1 or 2 gambling sites that have experienced this. it's difficult for gambling sites to prevent this, especially those that don't require KYC, the gap for abuse is getting bigger, the problem is that gambling sites that require KYC will be deserted because people prefer non-KYC. the conclusion is that no one is to blame!!

Not that I endorse KYC implementation on any platform, however, only a casino that wants its gambling ground to be overrun with bots would offer large promotions on a non-KYC casino, most of the time, they only offer free spins in those kinds of casinos, which they know they can control, rather than a welcome bonus, which will be heavily abused.
Implementing KYC may limit the usage of bots, but it may also be misused since KYC can be manipulated. We have people who buy other people's information to pass KYC, and they may even pay others to conduct KYC for them if they don't want any company invading their privacy.

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every promotion carried out by gambling sites has a large enough abuse loophole and it's not just 1 or 2 gambling sites that have experienced this. it's difficult for gambling sites to prevent this, especially those that don't require KYC, the gap for abuse is getting bigger, the problem is that gambling sites that require KYC will be deserted because people prefer non-KYC. the conclusion is that no one is to blame!!

Not that I endorse KYC implementation on any platform, however, only a casino that wants its gambling ground to be overrun with bots would offer large promotions on a non-KYC casino, most of the time, they only offer free spins in those kinds of casinos, which they know they can control, rather than a welcome bonus, which will be heavily abused.
Implementing KYC may limit the usage of bots, but it may also be misused since KYC can be manipulated. We have people who buy other people's information to pass KYC, and they may even pay others to conduct KYC for them if they don't want any company invading their privacy.
Users have got multiple ways for KYC and all other needs. Just think of a below 18 person into gambling. Does he fulfills KYC, no he enters just by accepting he/she is above 18+ and if requested for KYC they night move to another casino or find a solution with someone else details. This happens and Casinos doesn't want their users to move away from them, because the industry is competent and more are on the queue to serve.

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September 12, 2022, 10:38:58 PM
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For me since it is a gambling I don't have to blame anybody because everybody is aware that gambling make up of different things both higher risk and the lower risk, because who ever that is going for gambling knows that it deals with lost and profit even though someone defraud you it's as same thing as gambling, so nobody should be blame

Gambling is different from cheating, scamming, exploiting, and fraud.  Obviously, the ones at fault here are those cheaters and exploiters.  Casino or gambling operators often give bonuses to attract players, since the gambling industry is a business, they tend to compete with other gambling operators thus they are giving away promotions and bonuses with certain requirements.  It is the fault of the cheaters and exploiters to cheat the casino operator so being neutral when we really know who the cheater and exploiter are the same as allowing them to just do whatever bad intention they have on any gambling platform.


In reality gambling companies don't get any benefit from people abusing the system and in fact pay large amounts for teams that seek to stamp it out. The sort of people who go to great lengths to take advantage and abuse the system of bonuses tend to stray into many grey areas, which then lead further on to pure criminal activity. These sort of cheaters will often go to extreme lengths if they perceive the ability to squeeze free money out of a company and we must remember that a single dollar has a very different value in different countries. If somebody is able to make say $300 dollars by jumping through numerous, but repeatable, hoops.. then they could potentially live an above average life in somewhere like Venezuela.

Indeed, gambling platforms being exploited by cheaters often lose a huge amount of money.  Since these cheaters and exploiters' main goal is to make their pocket fat at the cost of the gambling operators.

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September 12, 2022, 11:30:04 PM
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Fraudsters have always been up to date with the tech and that's why they test out everything they know to exploit a system like the ones in the casino if they've seen a bug.

All casinos can't totally look after their customers at all times unless they've got that system that detects unusual activities. Although there really are those casinos that can detect those but it's not that majority of them has that type of system.

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September 12, 2022, 11:37:11 PM
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every promotion carried out by gambling sites has a large enough abuse loophole and it's not just 1 or 2 gambling sites that have experienced this. it's difficult for gambling sites to prevent this, especially those that don't require KYC, the gap for abuse is getting bigger, the problem is that gambling sites that require KYC will be deserted because people prefer non-KYC. the conclusion is that no one is to blame!!

So that is the reason why gambling as a whole bears a lot of risk. Not only for the gamblers but also for the one implementing the gambling activities. They will do anything to their power to get more users on their website. Bonuses and other stuff like that are always subject for abuse. Because people always finds a way how to get everything for free while monetising at the same time.
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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

In reality gambling companies don't get any benefit from people abusing the system and in fact pay large amounts for teams that seek to stamp it out. The sort of people who go to great lengths to take advantage and abuse the system of bonuses tend to stray into many grey areas, which then lead further on to pure criminal activity. These sort of cheaters will often go to extreme lengths if they perceive the ability to squeeze free money out of a company and we must remember that a single dollar has a very different value in different countries. If somebody is able to make say $300 dollars by jumping through numerous, but repeatable, hoops.. then they could potentially live an above average life in somewhere like Venezuela.

in my opinion these abusers are most of them people addicted to gambling, they gamble a lot and lose everything they have, then when they have no way to get more money to continue playing they will create several accounts to have more bonuses and continue to play, and of course they lose everything again, we can even think: "the abusers are making a lot of money and the casinos are getting poor thanks to the abusers" but in my opinion that would not be true, the reality is that these abusers at the end of the day lose everything they managed to gain thanks to abusing the system, this is because the purpose of people who abuse the system is to have more money to continue playing, they are not abusing the system because they want to have a lot of money and stop playing play to do things in the real world, that's not what abusers want... abusers want more money to keep playing

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September 12, 2022, 11:43:39 PM
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every promotion carried out by gambling sites has a large enough abuse loophole and it's not just 1 or 2 gambling sites that have experienced this. it's difficult for gambling sites to prevent this, especially those that don't require KYC, the gap for abuse is getting bigger, the problem is that gambling sites that require KYC will be deserted because people prefer non-KYC. the conclusion is that no one is to blame!!

So that is the reason why gambling as a whole bears a lot of risk. Not only for the gamblers but also for the one implementing the gambling activities. They will do anything to their power to get more users on their website. Bonuses and other stuff like that are always subject for abuse. Because people always finds a way how to get everything for free while monetising at the same time.
There would be no abuse if the casino/platform does really set out those security measures and those terms and conditions on the right manner because if people do find out some exploits or probabilities then it would be

normal that they would really be abusing it as much as it could or still possible on doing so thats why as a platform who do launched out these bonuses then it would be normal that you should really be checking out
first on everything.
Bonuses and perks are standard and a very common ways on hooking up people on playing on the site but it do always falls down into someones preference.

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every promotion carried out by gambling sites has a large enough abuse loophole and it's not just 1 or 2 gambling sites that have experienced this. it's difficult for gambling sites to prevent this, especially those that don't require KYC, the gap for abuse is getting bigger, the problem is that gambling sites that require KYC will be deserted because people prefer non-KYC. the conclusion is that no one is to blame!!

So that is the reason why gambling as a whole bears a lot of risk. Not only for the gamblers but also for the one implementing the gambling activities. They will do anything to their power to get more users on their website. Bonuses and other stuff like that are always subject for abuse. Because people always finds a way how to get everything for free while monetising at the same time.
There would be no abuse if the casino/platform does really set out those security measures and those terms and conditions on the right manner because if people do find out some exploits or probabilities then it would be

normal that they would really be abusing it as much as it could or still possible on doing so thats why as a platform who do launched out these bonuses then it would be normal that you should really be checking out
first on everything.
Bonuses and perks are standard and a very common ways on hooking up people on playing on the site but it do always falls down into someones preference.

I have the same sentiments with you. There would be no bonus abuse if and only if the casino is conducting a maintenance, daily checking, or update on their security measures and servers. If the casino's security is strong enough, no one will be able to bypass and exploit the system. But if the security is weak and they are only conducting checking complacently, then certainly there would be bugs and glitches that would occur.

And as we know, the moment people know that there is a vulnerability in the system, they will utilize and take advantage of it for their own benefit. There are only a very few who will be honest and kind-hearted to report the glitch in which they can profit from. While both may be at fault because taking advantage of something that is just an error is bad, the casino is in greater responsibility of bonus abuse.
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I have the same sentiments with you. There would be no bonus abuse if and only if the casino is conducting a maintenance, daily checking, or update on their security measures and servers. If the casino's security is strong enough, no one will be able to bypass and exploit the system. But if the security is weak and they are only conducting checking complacently, then certainly there would be bugs and glitches that would occur.

And as we know, the moment people know that there is a vulnerability in the system, they will utilize and take advantage of it for their own benefit. There are only a very few who will be honest and kind-hearted to report the glitch in which they can profit from. While both may be at fault because taking advantage of something that is just an error is bad, the casino is in greater responsibility of bonus abuse.
I cannot agree with this, anyone that knows anything about computers knows that it is almost impossible to create a system that is bug free, so even casinos that are doing their best are going to present an error or two once in a while.

Also most casinos on their terms of service directly state that if there is an instance in which a bug is found by their clients they have to report it and to not abuse it, so by playing at that casino you have made the compromise of not abusing any vulnerability, so in that case it is my opinion the player is completely to blame if they do something like that.

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September 13, 2022, 03:56:14 AM
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If there's anything to be obtained, there will be people trying to obtain it.

You might want to think that's immoral, wrong, whatever, but it will continue to happen as long as there are people on Earth.

The only thing left to do is to deal with it somehow. So the answer is basically the companies need to have a better system to deal with this, because nothing will stop people trying to get more and more of those bonuses.

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September 13, 2022, 04:09:07 AM
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If there's anything to be obtained, there will be people trying to obtain it.

You might want to think that's immoral, wrong, whatever, but it will continue to happen as long as there are people on Earth.
People would always abuse opportunities offered by these gambling companies. They would always devise different means to cheat the system and get illegal or fraudulent gains. In my location, the most common way of frauding these gambling companies is through the opening of multiple accounts.

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The only thing left to do is to deal with it somehow. So the answer is basically the companies need to have a better system to deal with this, because nothing will stop people trying to get more and more of those bonuses.
These gambling companies need to engage the services of cyber security experts and other gambling experts. These professionals would help them formulate good terms and conditions for their bonuses. And cyber security experts would help install and consistently upgrade the security systems of these gambling companies. 

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September 13, 2022, 05:00:55 AM
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Of course, it is the abusers that are to be mainly blamed. But casinos being abused are also part of the blame even if they are innocent because they are supposed to make it clear that promotions are should be free from possible abuses. Fraudsters are everywhere and they will take advantage of every possible way they can.

This is also the reason why many casinos wanted to implement KYC. But another option is to let non-KYC clients gamble but exempted from some promotions that are difficult to track.

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September 13, 2022, 05:11:14 AM
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If there's anything to be obtained, there will be people trying to obtain it.

You might want to think that's immoral, wrong, whatever, but it will continue to happen as long as there are people on Earth.

The only thing left to do is to deal with it somehow. So the answer is basically the companies need to have a better system to deal with this, because nothing will stop people trying to get more and more of those bonuses.
It must be because seeing other people's success will make them interested in trying it.
Thus, if they don't manage to get one, they will continue to look elsewhere.
Maybe it has to do with morals because it means they are cheating against the casino, especially themselves.
Maybe they are to blame but it also depends on the people because not everyone will act like that and not abuse the opportunity.

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Of course, it is the abusers that are to be mainly blamed. But casinos being abused are also part of the blame even if they are innocent because they are supposed to make it clear that promotions are should be free from possible abuses. Fraudsters are everywhere and they will take advantage of every possible way they can.

This is also the reason why many casinos wanted to implement KYC. But another option is to let non-KYC clients gamble but exempted from some promotions that are difficult to track.
Don't be naive casinos are not poor innocent victims, and most of their promotions can't be abused by multi-accounts. If you offer 10% bonus on a game, there is absolutely no advantage in having several accounts. Wagering 5 mBTC on one account and wagering 5 mBTC on another one won't give you anything more than wagering 10 mBTC on one single account. Moreover many casinos are offering ranking bonuses, then cheaters are missing those bonuses by playing on several accounts.
In addition, making profits at a casino is very rare, even with promotions and cheaters can lose their funds if the casino spots them.
So I don't believe them when they claim to be abused like that. In most cases, it's a free excuse to ban or to restrict accounts of winning players.

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September 13, 2022, 07:53:48 AM
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If there's anything to be obtained, there will be people trying to obtain it.

You might want to think that's immoral, wrong, whatever, but it will continue to happen as long as there are people on Earth.

The only thing left to do is to deal with it somehow. So the answer is basically the companies need to have a better system to deal with this, because nothing will stop people trying to get more and more of those bonuses.
It must be because seeing other people's success will make them interested in trying it.
Thus, if they don't manage to get one, they will continue to look elsewhere.
Maybe it has to do with morals because it means they are cheating against the casino, especially themselves.
Maybe they are to blame but it also depends on the people because not everyone will act like that and not abuse the opportunity.
This has beed discussed many times and Whatever the reason is they should not abuse the system even if they see an opportunity to do so. Most of the site are very strict, if you don’t want to face any problem with your account, avoid doing such bad activities remember that someone is watching and your karma will hit you. If the site is not that secured especially on those bonuses better to tell it to the site so you can also help them grow, bonuses are very attractive on some site and maybe that is why many are becoming more greedy.

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Call it what ever you want, but I find bonus abusers similar to bug bounty hunters. They only get 100% rewarded with money, but not with "thank you, here are 5 free spins for you". Call them security testers. They are the one who punish lazy security admins and greedy casino owners, that rather pay a freelancer 1k for casino engine, then hire development staff. However, such bug hunter must not be a newbie also, because he will be identified quick. Only few deserve to go free with abuse Cheesy As this is their reward for knowledge and experience.

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Some people will remember this. Epic Games once gave Grand Theft Auto 5 as a gift to everyone. And I remember many people exploited it, created new accounts and sold those gta5 copies to people who are unaware its already free. So I mean when you give people opportunity they will definitely exploit. Its not something about gambling or gambler nature or mentality. Websites should close possible loopholes. They are to blame.
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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

When someone left the door to his house open, and the house was robbed, we don't blame the guy that left the door open, right? Of course it's fraudsters and offenders to blame.

If you travel to different countries, you can easily spot the difference between more cultured peoples and less cultured ones. In prosperous countries, where people are more educated and thus more cultured, you can see goods and food items for sell left on the street without anyone watching over them. ...

My point is, bonus abusing is a disgusting thing to do, but people from countries where thieves can be heroes ... they simply have no clue.

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Some people will remember this. Epic Games once gave Grand Theft Auto 5 as a gift to everyone. And I remember many people exploited it, created new accounts and sold those gta5 copies to people who are unaware its already free. So I mean when you give people opportunity they will definitely exploit. Its not something about gambling or gambler nature or mentality. Websites should close possible loopholes. They are to blame.

But do you think that is bad what happened? In general people sold information they obtained (about free GTA5) to those who did not know it. Buyers could have googled that before buying. I mean teachers get paid for their work, but student can get same knowledge from books. Whose who have sold those accounts are enterprising people, that's all. Should epic games be blamed for that? I think no, epic games worked fine - they had gifts, they gave gifts.

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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

When someone left the door to his house open, and the house was robbed, we don't blame the guy that left the door open, right? Of course it's fraudsters and offenders to blame.
sure, we don't blame the person for being robbed but we blame them(or at least me) for being dumb enough for leaving the door open. people should know that there are bad people who would take any chance they have to be a bad person. always be cautious and never let them have that chance.

If you travel to different countries, you can easily spot the difference between more cultured peoples and less cultured ones. In prosperous countries, where people are more educated and thus more cultured, you can see goods and food items for sell left on the street without anyone watching over them. ...
I don't know about you but there are a lot of prosperous countries where you just leave your stuff lying around without it being taken/stolen.

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So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I don't think there is anything to blame dude, because even if we say that there is a cheater or fraudster, if there are no gamblers or players entering a gambling platform, in short there will be no funds coming in from prospect customers/gamblers, do you think someone will cheat or will they fall victim? or maybe someone will say that they fell victim to a scam?

That's why what I said is impossible and unrealistic, right? so my answer to your question is that fraud or fraud can be done by the operator and gamblers who will try to play in a casino,.


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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

When someone left the door to his house open, and the house was robbed, we don't blame the guy that left the door open, right? Of course it's fraudsters and offenders to blame.

If you travel to different countries, you can easily spot the difference between more cultured peoples and less cultured ones. In prosperous countries, where people are more educated and thus more cultured, you can see goods and food items for sell left on the street without anyone watching over them. ...

My point is, bonus abusing is a disgusting thing to do, but people from countries where thieves can be heroes ... they simply have no clue.
We just need to be over protective to make sure that we don't fall victim easily on something that can cause us heavy loses. We need to be more careful so that we can protect ourselves and other people of possible. There are some countries that stealing and fraud is a usual thing ams part of life there so people always take extraordinary precautions to make sure that there property is we secure because the government will never come to there aid.

We have the right and the full responsibility to protect what we have and that is why casinos owners need to do routine check to make sure that there casinos is properly safe for all and I term of bonus abuse so that this will not affect other users.

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September 13, 2022, 05:15:35 PM
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When someone left the door to his house open, and the house was robbed, we don't blame the guy that left the door open, right? Of course it's fraudsters and offenders to blame.
sure, we don't blame the person for being robbed but we blame them(or at least me) for being dumb enough for leaving the door open. people should know that there are bad people who would take any chance they have to be a bad person. always be cautious and never let them have that chance.

Yes, the fault of the fraudster is always primary, but sometimes the victim can also be blamed (if we return to the discussion, this will be a casino). If the casino has not provided reliable protection against scammers, then honest users may also suffer as a result of the actions of scammers. I think it is obvious that the casino has an obligation to ensure security, and if it did not do this at the required level, then it is their fault (although it is different from the fault of scammers).
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In reality gambling companies don't get any benefit from people abusing the system and in fact pay large amounts for teams that seek to stamp it out. The sort of people who go to great lengths to take advantage and abuse the system of bonuses tend to stray into many grey areas, which then lead further on to pure criminal activity. These sort of cheaters will often go to extreme lengths if they perceive the ability to squeeze free money out of a company and we must remember that a single dollar has a very different value in different countries. If somebody is able to make say $300 dollars by jumping through numerous, but repeatable, hoops.. then they could potentially live an above average life in somewhere like Venezuela.
But at least, they do something to stop those bad guys which can help existing players to feel confident. Abusers will also think twice if they will do it again because they are now aware that the casino is now aware of them. Of course, cheaters can go on the rough way, especially if the casino is tight on their rules or security. That just shows that even the cheaters do also exert a great effort to earn an income.

There's really no easy money in this world. Still what they are doing is wrong. It would be better if they use that kind of ability on a legal way like helping the casinos to tighten up their security. They can make sure money this way plus there are no consequences.

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September 13, 2022, 08:49:53 PM
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But do you think that is bad what happened?
Yes, what happened there is bad because the company is already trying to be generous by giving free gifts and yet some people can't just be contented on a single copy but they abuse it to gain more benefits.

In general people sold information they obtained (about free GTA5) to those who did not know it. Buyers could have googled that before buying.
But not all buyers use google but they can just head on to the shopping site directly if it's online or to the physical stores if it's offline.

teachers get paid for their work, but student can get same knowledge from books. Whose who have sold those accounts are enterprising people, that's all. Should epic games be blamed for that? I think no, epic games worked fine - they had gifts, they gave gifts.
Yes, you can learn on your own without needing for a teacher or going to school but do you think you can produce your own certification? Or diploma? And about the op's question, of course, it was the abusers are the ones that must be blamed and not the casino because the casino is only doing a business.
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Some people will remember this. Epic Games once gave Grand Theft Auto 5 as a gift to everyone. And I remember many people exploited it, created new accounts and sold those gta5 copies to people who are unaware its already free. So I mean when you give people opportunity they will definitely exploit. Its not something about gambling or gambler nature or mentality. Websites should close possible loopholes. They are to blame.
You give people a free access and yet it is still your fault because they took advantage of that? It’s just like you give people bread everyday and yet they sold if to other people in exchange of money I guess you are wrong here.

If there’s a bonus abuse most probably the gambler is the one to blame here, the site never encourage you to abuse it and that is really agains their policy so let’s not blame them that you become greedy because you saw the opportunity, if something bad happen to you that is because of your fault.
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September 13, 2022, 08:56:21 PM
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In reality gambling companies don't get any benefit from people abusing the system and in fact pay large amounts for teams that seek to stamp it out. The sort of people who go to great lengths to take advantage and abuse the system of bonuses tend to stray into many grey areas, which then lead further on to pure criminal activity. These sort of cheaters will often go to extreme lengths if they perceive the ability to squeeze free money out of a company and we must remember that a single dollar has a very different value in different countries. If somebody is able to make say $300 dollars by jumping through numerous, but repeatable, hoops.. then they could potentially live an above average life in somewhere like Venezuela.
But at least, they do something to stop those bad guys which can help existing players to feel confident. Abusers will also think twice if they will do it again because they are now aware that the casino is now aware of them. Of course, cheaters can go on the rough way, especially if the casino is tight on their rules or security. That just shows that even the cheaters do also exert a great effort to earn an income.

There's really no easy money in this world. Still what they are doing is wrong. It would be better if they use that kind of ability on a legal way like helping the casinos to tighten up their security. They can make sure money this way plus there are no consequences.
Making themselves on being security testers? Possible that they would really be able to recieve some bounty specially if the exploit is severe but not all does have that kind of mindset on which they do believe that
they could really not make huge money if ever they would reach out on the team and saying about that exploit but rather most of these people would really be abusing since they do know that they could really make
huge money if ever they would succeed on abusing it but well we cant really make out some conclusions yet there are still good people who would definitely be telling about those possible errors.
Expect that there are people who would really be abusing up things if ever they would really see that they have the chance.

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September 13, 2022, 09:45:49 PM
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every promotion carried out by gambling sites has a large enough abuse loophole and it's not just 1 or 2 gambling sites that have experienced this. it's difficult for gambling sites to prevent this, especially those that don't require KYC, the gap for abuse is getting bigger, the problem is that gambling sites that require KYC will be deserted because people prefer non-KYC. the conclusion is that no one is to blame!!

So that is the reason why gambling as a whole bears a lot of risk. Not only for the gamblers but also for the one implementing the gambling activities. They will do anything to their power to get more users on their website. Bonuses and other stuff like that are always subject for abuse. Because people always finds a way how to get everything for free while monetising at the same time.
There would be no abuse if the casino/platform does really set out those security measures and those terms and conditions on the right manner because if people do find out some exploits or probabilities then it would be

normal that they would really be abusing it as much as it could or still possible on doing so thats why as a platform who do launched out these bonuses then it would be normal that you should really be checking out
first on everything.
Bonuses and perks are standard and a very common ways on hooking up people on playing on the site but it do always falls down into someones preference.

I have the same sentiments with you. There would be no bonus abuse if and only if the casino is conducting a maintenance, daily checking, or update on their security measures and servers. If the casino's security is strong enough, no one will be able to bypass and exploit the system. But if the security is weak and they are only conducting checking complacently, then certainly there would be bugs and glitches that would occur.

And as we know, the moment people know that there is a vulnerability in the system, they will utilize and take advantage of it for their own benefit. There are only a very few who will be honest and kind-hearted to report the glitch in which they can profit from. While both may be at fault because taking advantage of something that is just an error is bad, the casino is in greater responsibility of bonus abuse.
When it comes into this business then security should really be the main priority because if you do miss out this spot then for sure it would really cost you big time since it would really cause up losses which might be possibly big or overall it would wrecked up the business in terms of finances.
There would be no problems if the security is tight plus having those terms and conditions been set according into house rules which is of course it would be always advantage of the house.
Blaming would be definitely be always reside with the house if ever there would be those security errors which it should really be fixed nor had been secured
in the first place.

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September 13, 2022, 11:33:59 PM
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Some people will remember this. Epic Games once gave Grand Theft Auto 5 as a gift to everyone. And I remember many people exploited it, created new accounts and sold those gta5 copies to people who are unaware its already free. So I mean when you give people opportunity they will definitely exploit. Its not something about gambling or gambler nature or mentality. Websites should close possible loopholes. They are to blame.
You give people a free access and yet it is still your fault because they took advantage of that? It’s just like you give people bread everyday and yet they sold if to other people in exchange of money I guess you are wrong here.

If there’s a bonus abuse most probably the gambler is the one to blame here, the site never encourage you to abuse it and that is really agains their policy so let’s not blame them that you become greedy because you saw the opportunity, if something bad happen to you that is because of your fault.

Whatever the case may be, if you are giving a bonus to take one and you take more than that, that is definitely abuse. Even by analogy, taking more than what was prescribed for you by a doctor is abuse to yourself. If one is given a chance to enjoy some benefits, you don't go extreme trying to outsmart what they are doing, the greed may not allow others to benefit because you took it all by yourself. If a bonus with policy is set to less than or equal to 1 per person, one should never exceed that.

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If there's anything to be obtained, there will be people trying to obtain it.

You might want to think that's immoral, wrong, whatever, but it will continue to happen as long as there are people on Earth.

The only thing left to do is to deal with it somehow. So the answer is basically the companies need to have a better system to deal with this, because nothing will stop people trying to get more and more of those bonuses.
It must be because seeing other people's success will make them interested in trying it.
Thus, if they don't manage to get one, they will continue to look elsewhere.
Maybe it has to do with morals because it means they are cheating against the casino, especially themselves.
Maybe they are to blame but it also depends on the people because not everyone will act like that and not abuse the opportunity.
This has beed discussed many times and Whatever the reason is they should not abuse the system even if they see an opportunity to do so. Most of the site are very strict, if you don’t want to face any problem with your account, avoid doing such bad activities remember that someone is watching and your karma will hit you. If the site is not that secured especially on those bonuses better to tell it to the site so you can also help them grow, bonuses are very attractive on some site and maybe that is why many are becoming more greedy.
By telling the casino there is a problem on their site, it can give the casino a chance to fix it and maybe they will reward us for helping them.
Yes, casinos can hold some kind of contest for members to help find leaks on their site so the team can deal with them and fix them as soon as possible.
That way, the casino can also maintain security on its site from any other leaks apart from the team's hard work.
Abusing the bonus is an act that is not permitted by the casino and will inevitably result in the closure of our account.

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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I think there are a few factors which increase the abuse of bonuses and promotions from casinos. First of all there is a lot of money involved if somebody can get another 100 to 200% bonus on his deposit. Casinos need to offer bonuses for new customers to distinguish among each other and be more competitive. If a gambler has the chance to take advantage of ineffective security at the casino he will do so more often in troubling. The rise in abuses we are seeing this year is linked to the drop in bitcoin and other crypto currencies. Last year when prices where much higher, people made a lot of money from cryptos and didn't need to use illegal activities to get more returns. But this year stocks and cryptos are in the deep red, economic outlooks are bad and rising inflation is making everything more expenses. Using crypto casino bonuses and promotions is one way to make sure to have a constant income from gambling. Only by gambling alone without any bonuses it's not possible to make money consistently. I think it's a fault for the gamblers to abuse the system, and a fault of the casinos to have not more strict security.
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But do you think that is bad what happened?
Yes, what happened there is bad because the company is already trying to be generous by giving free gifts and yet some people can't just be contented on a single copy but they abuse it to gain more benefits.

In general people sold information they obtained (about free GTA5) to those who did not know it. Buyers could have googled that before buying.
But not all buyers use google but they can just head on to the shopping site directly if it's online or to the physical stores if it's offline.

When you know where to get something for free or very cheap, and sell it later, isnt it an act of business? Why you call it as a system abuse ? Especially if Epic Games was ok if a person creates a new account and get a free copy of the game.

teachers get paid for their work, but student can get same knowledge from books. Whose who have sold those accounts are enterprising people, that's all. Should epic games be blamed for that? I think no, epic games worked fine - they had gifts, they gave gifts.
Yes, you can learn on your own without needing for a teacher or going to school but do you think you can produce your own certification? Or diploma? And about the op's question, of course, it was the abusers are the ones that must be blamed and not the casino because the casino is only doing a business.

You did not get it. I am not saying that a person should create his own fake certificate and diploma. But if he can get any book from library for free a do self education, finish exams well and get a scholarship. There is always a free library in town with bunch of educational books. Call it a bonus. Some can use this bonus and and get same education with those who paid for college.

About Davidvictorson question - when you play slots and due to UI or server lag get endless benefits like free spins, will you use them or not? Should you be blamed for that or devs?   


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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I think there are a few factors which increase the abuse of bonuses and promotions from casinos. First of all there is a lot of money involved if somebody can get another 100 to 200% bonus on his deposit. Casinos need to offer bonuses for new customers to distinguish among each other and be more competitive. If a gambler has the chance to take advantage of ineffective security at the casino he will do so more often in troubling. The rise in abuses we are seeing this year is linked to the drop in bitcoin and other crypto currencies. Last year when prices where much higher, people made a lot of money from cryptos and didn't need to use illegal activities to get more returns. But this year stocks and cryptos are in the deep red, economic outlooks are bad and rising inflation is making everything more expenses. Using crypto casino bonuses and promotions is one way to make sure to have a constant income from gambling.

I do not think that the increase in abuse is in any way related to the rate of cryptocurrency. In the last couple of years there are a lot of new crypto-enthusiasts who share possible cryptocurrency earnings with newbies in Youtube and other channels. This is most likely their business.

None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.



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I do not think that the increase in abuse is in any way related to the rate of cryptocurrency. In the last couple of years there are a lot of new crypto-enthusiasts who share possible cryptocurrency earnings with newbies in Youtube and other channels. This is most likely their business.

None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.

Agree on factors, but disagree on abuse. If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.

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When someone left the door to his house open, and the house was robbed, we don't blame the guy that left the door open, right? Of course it's fraudsters and offenders to blame.
sure, we don't blame the person for being robbed but we blame them(or at least me) for being dumb enough for leaving the door open. people should know that there are bad people who would take any chance they have to be a bad person. always be cautious and never let them have that chance.

Yes, the fault of the fraudster is always primary, but sometimes the victim can also be blamed (if we return to the discussion, this will be a casino). If the casino has not provided reliable protection against scammers, then honest users may also suffer as a result of the actions of scammers. I think it is obvious that the casino has an obligation to ensure security, and if it did not do this at the required level, then it is their fault (although it is different from the fault of scammers).

If we are to take a glance at the possible causes to bonus abuse we could see that the gambler are th ones involved here because everyone want to participate in getting bonus but not only that but to have almost everything in their disposal, which is a display of greediness by most gamblers, you wish to get something free but try to deny others acceess to enjoying same thing, at the end of it all, the casinos seems to go under been hacked and the site ended up malfunctioning, these are the ordinary mistakes that could have been corrected by us right from on set but we got ourselves exposed to affect others through greediness from enjoying the bonus services front the casino



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I do not think that the increase in abuse is in any way related to the rate of cryptocurrency. In the last couple of years there are a lot of new crypto-enthusiasts who share possible cryptocurrency earnings with newbies in Youtube and other channels. This is most likely their business.

None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.

If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.

If a casino security system is not sturdy enough, perhaps they should not offer bonuses which could be potentially exploited by malicious users, but I also believe there is a serious dilemma when comes to casino bonuses and promotions.

When a new casino opens and wants to start their operations, they will inevitably face harsh competition from more established platforms, so they may struggle to attract players, since they do not have not even built a solid reputation within the community, one of their few options would be offering to new users very good bonuses to increase the userbase, their volume and start to build confidence through successful withdrawvals, they would take this path even though (due to their status as new casino) have not invested enough in their fraud detention algorithms. They would prefer to take this risk before facing a premature bankruptcy, I assume.


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I do not think that the increase in abuse is in any way related to the rate of cryptocurrency. In the last couple of years there are a lot of new crypto-enthusiasts who share possible cryptocurrency earnings with newbies in Youtube and other channels. This is most likely their business.

None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.

Agree on factors, but disagree on abuse. If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.

Of course it's the casino's job to stop people from multi accounting. It's an abuse as old as the Internet and nowadays everybody is aware of bots. If a casino decides to place a banner somewhere they expect 50% of hits will be bots or multiple accounts. It's the same with bonuses for new players. It's obvious that people will try to make new accounts each time and play for free. I wouldn't blame those who try to abuse at all.

It's like when you have a dog you have to make sure the fence is secure so that it can't get out and bite someone and you can expect that people will try to annoy the dog, shout at him and so on but the fence has to hold.

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I do not think that the increase in abuse is in any way related to the rate of cryptocurrency. In the last couple of years there are a lot of new crypto-enthusiasts who share possible cryptocurrency earnings with newbies in Youtube and other channels. This is most likely their business.

None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.

Agree on factors, but disagree on abuse. If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.

Of course it's the casino's job to stop people from multi accounting. It's an abuse as old as the Internet and nowadays everybody is aware of bots. If a casino decides to place a banner somewhere they expect 50% of hits will be bots or multiple accounts. It's the same with bonuses for new players. It's obvious that people will try to make new accounts each time and play for free. I wouldn't blame those who try to abuse at all.

It's like when you have a dog you have to make sure the fence is secure so that it can't get out and bite someone and you can expect that people will try to annoy the dog, shout at him and so on but the fence has to hold.
But is it accurate to compare humans who theoretically have conscience and notion of cause and consequence to irrational living beings such as dogs? The dog acts for instinct, humans act rationally. A dog doesn't know it's wrong to escape home and walk on street by itself until getting lost, or barking and biting people for no reason.

While humans know it's wrong to cheat, but they still do this to acquire improper advantages they don't have access through legit manners. That is when we see the malice and falsity traits which propitiate humans to lie and deceive their own kind. Traits that as I see are exclusive from human race.

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September 14, 2022, 09:28:16 PM
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I do not think that the increase in abuse is in any way related to the rate of cryptocurrency. In the last couple of years there are a lot of new crypto-enthusiasts who share possible cryptocurrency earnings with newbies in Youtube and other channels. This is most likely their business.

None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.

Agree on factors, but disagree on abuse. If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.

Of course it's the casino's job to stop people from multi accounting. It's an abuse as old as the Internet and nowadays everybody is aware of bots. If a casino decides to place a banner somewhere they expect 50% of hits will be bots or multiple accounts. It's the same with bonuses for new players. It's obvious that people will try to make new accounts each time and play for free. I wouldn't blame those who try to abuse at all.

It's like when you have a dog you have to make sure the fence is secure so that it can't get out and bite someone and you can expect that people will try to annoy the dog, shout at him and so on but the fence has to hold.

the control is indeed on the casino itself. because abusers will always be there and you can't tell them to stop. they will only stop if they are caught or they can't withdraw what they got because of violations. but these people will exhaust their means just to get a hold of possible profits and if possible, without spending on the site. it is the responsibility of the site itself to put in place those security protocols. this is why substandard casinos are getting rekt because they are not allotting funds for security expenses.

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September 14, 2022, 10:37:17 PM
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The casino is in the right position to control and regulate whatever goes on on the site, and if ther are any abuses of the bonus system, then the casino is in the right position to bring things to others. We had hard one of two cases of site bonus abuse in the past and the resultant effect on the casino was massive to the point that some of them run into a lot of troubles from such abuse.
When abuse happens then it would really be giving out significant effects on a casino not only on financial aspect but also into its reputation which would really be also be affected on these kind of incident.

No one else would be blamed but the casino on why they hadnt really checked out those security measures for them to avoid such incident.There's always those people who would really be taking advantage

whenever they do see opportunities which they could really make abuse actions if ever they do see one thats why it do always falls down on casinos security on the first place.

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I saw many promotions abused by people, in most cases casinos had low requirements and many just saw the opportunity for making a few bucks in an easy way! In such cases, there's no one else to be blamed than casinos and teams behind. But I also see there are some professional abusers around, they are looking for new ways all the time, whatever security measures casinos make they will find a way to bypass it. So it's like the neverending war in my opinion, and all that makes it hard for us normal and honest players, more and more control.

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No one else would be blamed but the casino ...

I saw many promotions abused by people, in most cases casinos had low requirements and many just saw the opportunity for making a few bucks in an easy way! In such cases, there's no one else to be blamed than casinos and teams behind. But I also see there are some professional abusers around, they are looking for new ways all the time, whatever security measures casinos make they will find a way to bypass it. So it's like the neverending war in my opinion, and all that makes it hard for us normal and honest players, more and more control.
Its carelessness of the team on such casino because anything should have set on the proper way before launching any promotions and competitions so that it wont really be abused by people.
As a business owner then you should really be having that advanced mindset on various circumstances which could happen.It would be just common sense that you should
set specific rules and terms so that it wont really be that getting abused and as mentioned that there are honest and dishonest person on this world.

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No one else would be blamed but the casino ...

I saw many promotions abused by people, in most cases casinos had low requirements and many just saw the opportunity for making a few bucks in an easy way! In such cases, there's no one else to be blamed than casinos and teams behind. But I also see there are some professional abusers around, they are looking for new ways all the time, whatever security measures casinos make they will find a way to bypass it. So it's like the neverending war in my opinion, and all that makes it hard for us normal and honest players, more and more control.
Its carelessness of the team on such casino because anything should have set on the proper way before launching any promotions and competitions so that it wont really be abused by people.
As a business owner then you should really be having that advanced mindset on various circumstances which could happen.It would be just common sense that you should
set specific rules and terms so that it wont really be that getting abused and as mentioned that there are honest and dishonest person on this world.

To many casino abuse happen before so they need to consider to add more preventive measure on possible abuse that may done by certain people. If they cannot provide security towards this issue then maybe we can say that the team behind them is incompetent and cannot be trusted since if they create mistake for that for sure they may have a lapses for more bigger ones.

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September 15, 2022, 06:50:27 PM
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To many casino abuse happen before so they need to consider to add more preventive measure on possible abuse that may done by certain people. If they cannot provide security towards this issue then maybe we can say that the team behind them is incompetent and cannot be trusted since if they create mistake for that for sure they may have a lapses for more bigger ones.
Casinos will have their own way of dealing with cases of abuse of bonuses given to their members. Starting from checking the account of each member suspected of abusing the bonus to blocking the account of a member suspected of doing so. Checking regularly or continuously on its members will help the casino to find out which member accounts violate its rules. The casino will also be careful in checking and will ensure that they will penalize their members who violate the rules to get the bonus.
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September 15, 2022, 06:59:57 PM
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IMO, fraudsters are the only ones to blame here.

In a bounty campaign, who is to blame? the admin who doesn't notice that some participants have multi-accounts, or the multi-accounters?

In the case of the casinos it is even clearer: the only ones who lose money because of their lack of caution are themselves, as the fraud reduces their profit.

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September 15, 2022, 07:12:19 PM
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To many casino abuse happen before so they need to consider to add more preventive measure on possible abuse that may done by certain people. If they cannot provide security towards this issue then maybe we can say that the team behind them is incompetent and cannot be trusted since if they create mistake for that for sure they may have a lapses for more bigger ones.
Casinos will have their own way of dealing with cases of abuse of bonuses given to their members. Starting from checking the account of each member suspected of abusing the bonus to blocking the account of a member suspected of doing so. Checking regularly or continuously on its members will help the casino to find out which member accounts violate its rules. The casino will also be careful in checking and will ensure that they will penalize their members who violate the rules to get the bonus.
Since everything is automatic and everything could be checked out on more easy way than on doing manual then it would be easily detected if ever there are people who do make multi-accounting but we cant really able to tell if there were breaches or exploits that do happen specially if it do pertains about security until the house would really be alert if someone do make out huge winnings.
It all depends on monitoring whether those people could able to make out some withdrawal or successfully able to snip out some funds or would be caught up immediately
midway which would cause on locked up funds which would be a good call but it wouldnt be the case most of the time.

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September 15, 2022, 07:33:21 PM
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The casino is in the right position to control and regulate whatever goes on on the site, and if ther are any abuses of the bonus system, then the casino is in the right position to bring things to others. We had hard one of two cases of site bonus abuse in the past and the resultant effect on the casino was massive to the point that some of them run into a lot of troubles from such abuse.
When abuse happens then it would really be giving out significant effects on a casino not only on financial aspect but also into its reputation which would really be also be affected on these kind of incident.

No one else would be blamed but the casino on why they hadnt really checked out those security measures for them to avoid such incident.There's always those people who would really be taking advantage

whenever they do see opportunities which they could really make abuse actions if ever they do see one thats why it do always falls down on casinos security on the first place.

The effect won't be felt by the casino on the spot and in the process, there will be always some sort of people who will take advantage of it and abuse the system while the casino and the team behind it didn't know. Sooner or later, the casino's finance team will start asking questions why they are losing huge when in fact their system is programmed in casino's favor.

By the time the finance team spots the puzzle, it will be too late because they have already lost and it will be much better to hire another team that is more competent that the previous team.

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September 15, 2022, 07:36:31 PM
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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
There is no way fraudsters can be blamed in a case like this, the gambling operators are the ones to be blamed.
It is true that fraudsters can become so tech-savvy that it seems they can create a loophole where there was non, but there is a saying that, when the bird learns to fly without perching, the hunter will learn to shot without missing....

It's as simple as that, gambling operators are the ones to blame for not putting their house in full order before inviting the general public, when your house is not in order and you invite the general public to come and feast with you, there is a high chance that many of your items will go missing even before the feast is over.
So it is also with gambling Operators who open their doors to customers when they have not done or passed all security checked.

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If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.

If a casino security system is not sturdy enough, perhaps they should not offer bonuses which could be potentially exploited by malicious users, but I also believe there is a serious dilemma when comes to casino bonuses and promotions.

When a new casino opens and wants to start their operations, they will inevitably face harsh competition from more established platforms, so they may struggle to attract players, since they do not have not even built a solid reputation within the community, one of their few options would be offering to new users very good bonuses to increase the userbase, their volume and start to build confidence through successful withdrawvals, they would take this path even though (due to their status as new casino) have not invested enough in their fraud detention algorithms. They would prefer to take this risk before facing a premature bankruptcy, I assume.

Any protection system is not perfect, but casinos continue to give bonuses, because even if half of the money goes to scammers, the remaining half will go to attract new players. The final result is important - if such a waste is profitable, then the casino goes for it. Star spending and celebrity partnerships are also very expensive, but they are profitable in the end. It's the same here.

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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
There is no way fraudsters can be blamed in a case like this, the gambling operators are the ones to be blamed.
It is true that fraudsters can become so tech-savvy that it seems they can create a loophole where there was non, but there is a saying that, when the bird learns to fly without perching, the hunter will learn to shot without missing....

You are talking about the law of the jungle but we are not in that state.  There are laws about theft, abuse and exploits and they are illegal.  What those players/exploiter do was to rob the casino because they saw an openning.

It's as simple as that, gambling operators are the ones to blame for not putting their house in full order before inviting the general public, when your house is not in order and you invite the general public to come and feast with you, there is a high chance that many of your items will go missing even before the feast is over.
So it is also with gambling Operators who open their doors to customers when they have not done or passed all security checked.

You are saying, it is ok to shoplift because the store had put their item in the open.  Remember lots of casinos have multi-account restrictions, exploit restrictions, and bug abuse restrictions.  If someone signed up with the casino, they all agree with it.  Anyone exploiting, bug abusing, and multi-accounting just to exploit the open hole the company left is the same as a civil case because that is obviously a breach of contract and possibly face a criminal lawsuit called larcerny/grand larcerny.[1]

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September 15, 2022, 09:47:31 PM
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The casino is in the right position to control and regulate whatever goes on on the site, and if ther are any abuses of the bonus system, then the casino is in the right position to bring things to others. We had hard one of two cases of site bonus abuse in the past and the resultant effect on the casino was massive to the point that some of them run into a lot of troubles from such abuse.
When abuse happens then it would really be giving out significant effects on a casino not only on financial aspect but also into its reputation which would really be also be affected on these kind of incident.

No one else would be blamed but the casino on why they hadnt really checked out those security measures for them to avoid such incident.There's always those people who would really be taking advantage

whenever they do see opportunities which they could really make abuse actions if ever they do see one thats why it do always falls down on casinos security on the first place.

The effect won't be felt by the casino on the spot and in the process, there will be always some sort of people who will take advantage of it and abuse the system while the casino and the team behind it didn't know. Sooner or later, the casino's finance team will start asking questions why they are losing huge when in fact their system is programmed in casino's favor.

By the time the finance team spots the puzzle, it will be too late because they have already lost and it will be much better to hire another team that is more competent that the previous team.
In most cases then this would be the scenario where something cant be detected on point until finances would really be making some huge hit or decline.This is the time they would really be making checking but its true

that it is already late and had been withdrawn already.This is why some casinos does have manual confirmation or verification whenever some players do pull out huge amount withdrawals.Yeah, it sucks on having this

but i cant blame them out on why they do have this kind of procedure but most of the time we would always prefer on having instant withdraw no matter what the amount is.

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September 15, 2022, 09:56:08 PM
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The casino is in the right position to control and regulate whatever goes on on the site, and if ther are any abuses of the bonus system, then the casino is in the right position to bring things to others. We had hard one of two cases of site bonus abuse in the past and the resultant effect on the casino was massive to the point that some of them run into a lot of troubles from such abuse.
When abuse happens then it would really be giving out significant effects on a casino not only on financial aspect but also into its reputation which would really be also be affected on these kind of incident.

No one else would be blamed but the casino on why they hadnt really checked out those security measures for them to avoid such incident.There's always those people who would really be taking advantage

whenever they do see opportunities which they could really make abuse actions if ever they do see one thats why it do always falls down on casinos security on the first place.

The effect won't be felt by the casino on the spot and in the process, there will be always some sort of people who will take advantage of it and abuse the system while the casino and the team behind it didn't know. Sooner or later, the casino's finance team will start asking questions why they are losing huge when in fact their system is programmed in casino's favor.

By the time the finance team spots the puzzle, it will be too late because they have already lost and it will be much better to hire another team that is more competent that the previous team.
In most cases then this would be the scenario where something cant be detected on point until finances would really be making some huge hit or decline.This is the time they would really be making checking but its true
If a casino performs a regular audit, it can be noticed as soon as the casino finished auditing.  It can either be felt asap or not depending on the severity of the exploit.  If the exploit happens to be a few dollars then Casino might not feel it until the amount piled up.  But in case of huge amount being exploited in a short amount of time, I think the casino will surely feel it.

that it is already late and had been withdrawn already.This is why some casinos does have manual confirmation or verification whenever some players do pull out huge amount withdrawals.Yeah, it sucks on having this but i cant blame them out on why they do have this kind of procedure but most of the time we would always prefer on having instant withdraw no matter what the amount is.


I think they are more careful if the player pulls out a huge withdrawal for the first time and checks the transactions manually.  But if players had proven themselves to be clean, the next withdrawal would be faster.

If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.

If a casino security system is not sturdy enough, perhaps they should not offer bonuses which could be potentially exploited by malicious users, but I also believe there is a serious dilemma when comes to casino bonuses and promotions.

When a new casino opens and wants to start their operations, they will inevitably face harsh competition from more established platforms, so they may struggle to attract players, since they do not have not even built a solid reputation within the community, one of their few options would be offering to new users very good bonuses to increase the userbase, their volume and start to build confidence through successful withdrawvals, they would take this path even though (due to their status as new casino) have not invested enough in their fraud detention algorithms. They would prefer to take this risk before facing a premature bankruptcy, I assume.

Any protection system is not perfect, but casinos continue to give bonuses, because even if half of the money goes to scammers, the remaining half will go to attract new players. The final result is important - if such a waste is profitable, then the casino goes for it. Star spending and celebrity partnerships are also very expensive, but they are profitable in the end. It's the same here.

Indeed that is where the casino owners gambles.  But of course they won't just sit and idle when they noticed something irregular in their system.

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No one else would be blamed but the casino ...

I saw many promotions abused by people, in most cases casinos had low requirements and many just saw the opportunity for making a few bucks in an easy way! In such cases, there's no one else to be blamed than casinos and teams behind. But I also see there are some professional abusers around, they are looking for new ways all the time, whatever security measures casinos make they will find a way to bypass it. So it's like the neverending war in my opinion, and all that makes it hard for us normal and honest players, more and more control.
^ For me, I think if there is someone to blame it should be the gambling casino.
First of all, before they think of distributing the bonus, they must have an idea of how to organize their events, how can abusers will abuse the bonus and there should be mechanics on how to get the bonus. Because for me, abusers were always there if a casino has an organized team and bonuses, it will not easily abuse and it should be passed by the game mechanics in able to get a bonus.
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^ For me, I think if there is someone to blame it should be the gambling casino.
First of all, before they think of distributing the bonus, they must have an idea of how to organize their events, how can abusers will abuse the bonus and there should be mechanics on how to get the bonus. Because for me, abusers were always there if a casino has an organized team and bonuses, it will not easily abuse and it should be passed by the game mechanics in able to get a bonus.
When talking about this, I think there is no need to blame anyone because indeed the gambling place is holding an event like that, so of course they already know something like this will happen, the most important thing is that the programmers can anticipate problems like this or not, maybe bonuses can be obtained when they are done. make a deposit with a certain balance and there is a minimum of play done so it will be a bit safer.

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No one else would be blamed but the casino ...

I saw many promotions abused by people, in most cases casinos had low requirements and many just saw the opportunity for making a few bucks in an easy way! In such cases, there's no one else to be blamed than casinos and teams behind. But I also see there are some professional abusers around, they are looking for new ways all the time, whatever security measures casinos make they will find a way to bypass it. So it's like the neverending war in my opinion, and all that makes it hard for us normal and honest players, more and more control.
^ For me, I think if there is someone to blame it should be the gambling casino.
First of all, before they think of distributing the bonus, they must have an idea of how to organize their events, how can abusers will abuse the bonus and there should be mechanics on how to get the bonus. Because for me, abusers were always there if a casino has an organized team and bonuses, it will not easily abuse and it should be passed by the game mechanics in able to get a bonus.
like I said before in my previous post on this thread, just because you can abuse something does not mean you should(this is not exclusively for gambling but for everything in life). solely blaming the gambling site because people can find ways to abuse the event is just moronic(no offence).

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September 15, 2022, 11:48:25 PM
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When talking about this, I think there is no need to blame anyone because indeed the gambling place is holding an event like that, so of course they already know something like this will happen, the most important thing is that the programmers can anticipate problems like this or not, maybe bonuses can be obtained when they are done. make a deposit with a certain balance and there is a minimum of play done so it will be a bit safer.
And they have the authority to delay or not distribute the rewards for those cheaters that have been found by the system. That's how it should be because they have a system where it tracks players' activities.
It will be an easy thing for them and the one to blame is really depending on the case if it's isolated or not. So to those that are saying that it should be the casino that must be blamed, everyone will come up with that idea if it's already pestering a lot of customers.

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Of course, it is the abusers that are to be mainly blamed. But casinos being abused are also part of the blame even if they are innocent because they are supposed to make it clear that promotions are should be free from possible abuses. Fraudsters are everywhere and they will take advantage of every possible way they can.

This is also the reason why many casinos wanted to implement KYC. But another option is to let non-KYC clients gamble but exempted from some promotions that are difficult to track.
Don't be naive casinos are not poor innocent victims, and most of their promotions can't be abused by multi-accounts. If you offer 10% bonus on a game, there is absolutely no advantage in having several accounts. Wagering 5 mBTC on one account and wagering 5 mBTC on another one won't give you anything more than wagering 10 mBTC on one single account. Moreover many casinos are offering ranking bonuses, then cheaters are missing those bonuses by playing on several accounts.
In addition, making profits at a casino is very rare, even with promotions and cheaters can lose their funds if the casino spots them.
So I don't believe them when they claim to be abused like that. In most cases, it's a free excuse to ban or to restrict accounts of winning players.

I said "even if innocent" because these casinos didn't expect that some of their promotions are open to the possibility of abuse. And you just said, "most of their promotions can't be abused...". So you understand that some of their promotions were abused. So did those casinos expect the abuse? The simple answer is no.

Some casinos I encountered especially the new ones offer some free bets and some offer some limited free games which can also win real money. These kinds of promotions are the ones that can be easily exploited. BitLucy for example said they were shocked by the unexpected turn of events when their promotion was severely abused.

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To many casino abuse happen before so they need to consider to add more preventive measure on possible abuse that may done by certain people. If they cannot provide security towards this issue then maybe we can say that the team behind them is incompetent and cannot be trusted since if they create mistake for that for sure they may have a lapses for more bigger ones.
Casinos will have their own way of dealing with cases of abuse of bonuses given to their members. Starting from checking the account of each member suspected of abusing the bonus to blocking the account of a member suspected of doing so. Checking regularly or continuously on its members will help the casino to find out which member accounts violate its rules. The casino will also be careful in checking and will ensure that they will penalize their members who violate the rules to get the bonus.
Since everything is automatic and everything could be checked out on more easy way than on doing manual then it would be easily detected if ever there are people who do make multi-accounting but we cant really able to tell if there were breaches or exploits that do happen specially if it do pertains about security until the house would really be alert if someone do make out huge winnings.
It all depends on monitoring whether those people could able to make out some withdrawal or successfully able to snip out some funds or would be caught up immediately
midway which would cause on locked up funds which would be a good call but it wouldnt be the case most of the time.
Only the team from the casino will know if its members commit violations or exploits. It is unlikely that the casino will make it public to members and others because it concerns the reputation they are building. Maybe they will just let you know that the casino is undergoing an upgrade, so something will probably not work as usual.

I'm sure the casino will constantly monitor every activity of its members to ensure that everything is still under their control and no one is trying to violate it. And if someone is caught trying to cheat, the casino will act tough.
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Yes, casinos will always try to control their users but this is not always possible since people involved in this kind of abuse are constantly improving their skills because their earnings depend on it. In my opinion this struggle will never end, as online games cannot create a system that would identify users with 100% probability. I do not think something in this is guilty, because it is a struggle of technology.

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Any protection system is not perfect, but casinos continue to give bonuses, because even if half of the money goes to scammers, the remaining half will go to attract new players. The final result is important - if such a waste is profitable, then the casino goes for it. Star spending and celebrity partnerships are also very expensive, but they are profitable in the end. It's the same here.

So assuming there is no flawless security system, then the bonus abusers are the only ones to blame on the eventual losses of casinos, but i also believe that before offering very appealing bonuses to new players those platforms should be aware of the potential weaknesses their systems may have, study the losses they could suffer in order to adjust the terms and conditions before launching a bonus campaign, at least this way they may know what to expect in terms of loss/benefit ratio.

Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.

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If you travel to different countries, you can easily spot the difference between more cultured peoples and less cultured ones. In prosperous countries, where people are more educated and thus more cultured, you can see goods and food items for sell left on the street without anyone watching over them. ...
I don't know about you but there are a lot of prosperous countries where you just leave your stuff lying around without it being taken/stolen.


That's what I'm talking about. You can leave your stuff on the street, or you can even lose it somewhere in the park and people will return it to you.

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So assuming there is no flawless security system, then the bonus abusers are the only ones to blame on the eventual losses of casinos, but i also believe that before offering very appealing bonuses to new players those platforms should be aware of the potential weaknesses their systems may have, study the losses they could suffer in order to adjust the terms and conditions before launching a bonus campaign, at least this way they may know what to expect in terms of loss/benefit ratio.

Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.


Yes I am thinking sometimes that they are already knew it or they are also aware of it, they just let it slide so that many people will create account in their website and will give them larger traffic like the way they are planning, but they also know how much losses it will come back to them, so it means they already have the estimated amount of it, I think right now there's no one to blame with.
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Yes, casinos will always try to control their users but this is not always possible since people involved in this kind of abuse are constantly improving their skills because their earnings depend on it. In my opinion this struggle will never end, as online games cannot create a system that would identify users with 100% probability. I do not think something in this is guilty, because it is a struggle of technology.
This is the struggle of the technology. If national is is connected and accounts were created, then this might come to an end. We can't think of such things and if some online casinos come up with plans like this, it'll end-up to be a big flaw and people will surely avoid it. I've seen same person having two accounts winning in wager contests. It is their ability and they're sticking to the casino's terms and conditions.

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So assuming there is no flawless security system, then the bonus abusers are the only ones to blame on the eventual losses of casinos, but i also believe that before offering very appealing bonuses to new players those platforms should be aware of the potential weaknesses their systems may have, study the losses they could suffer in order to adjust the terms and conditions before launching a bonus campaign, at least this way they may know what to expect in terms of loss/benefit ratio.

Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.


Yes I am thinking sometimes that they are already knew it or they are also aware of it, they just let it slide so that many people will create account in their website and will give them larger traffic like the way they are planning, but they also know how much losses it will come back to them, so it means they already have the estimated amount of it, I think right now there's no one to blame with.

I think this somehow favours the gambling website despite the "bonus abuse" thad had been going around.

Generally, a player would be able to receive the bonus after topping-up a certain amount of $$$ and actually winning a gambling game. Though this bonus can be abused by creating multiple accounts in order to work, it still involves the element of attempting to play the game in which the result may go sideways. Either the player wins and receives the bonus; or the online gambling website wins and retains the cash.

It just so happened that there are players who have tons of $$$ at their disposal to the point that they can abuse and win money that is beyond their initial investment.

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September 19, 2022, 06:57:28 PM
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So assuming there is no flawless security system, then the bonus abusers are the only ones to blame on the eventual losses of casinos, but i also believe that before offering very appealing bonuses to new players those platforms should be aware of the potential weaknesses their systems may have, study the losses they could suffer in order to adjust the terms and conditions before launching a bonus campaign, at least this way they may know what to expect in terms of loss/benefit ratio.

Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.
Yes I am thinking sometimes that they are already knew it or they are also aware of it, they just let it slide so that many people will create account in their website and will give them larger traffic like the way they are planning, but they also know how much losses it will come back to them, so it means they already have the estimated amount of it, I think right now there's no one to blame with.
They might be aware of it however I doubt that they would just let it slide. Bonus abusers doesn't really provide or attract more traffic or potential users or gamblers on the platform, instead what they attract are more bonus abusers.

Gambling platforms or casinos will try to act or do something about it once the loss overcome the profit that these bonuses produce. In short, they'll either remove the bonus or alter some information or prerequisites to avoid their bonus to be abused.

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They might be aware of it however I doubt that they would just let it slide. Bonus abusers doesn't really provide or attract more traffic or potential users or gamblers on the platform, instead what they attract are more bonus abusers.

Gambling platforms or casinos will try to act or do something about it once the loss overcome the profit that these bonuses produce. In short, they'll either remove the bonus or alter some information or prerequisites to avoid their bonus to be abused.

I agree with you, abusers only attract more abusers leaving less room for those players looking to legitimately participate on the casino.
While in collegue, for example, there were some guys who were a bit into cryptocurrency and back in the day they spent much of our resting hours discussing exploits and ways to abuse platforms that offered bonuses to newcomers or those who successfully invited new people to their services. I recall they found a way to abuse Brave internet browser and the wallet called Airtm, both used to offer bonuses in their affiliating program.

I believe however, casinos must be aware of what they can or cant do to keep the cheaters away but not punish the legit glambers out the bonuses, if possible.

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I do not think that the increase in abuse is in any way related to the rate of cryptocurrency. In the last couple of years there are a lot of new crypto-enthusiasts who share possible cryptocurrency earnings with newbies in Youtube and other channels. This is most likely their business.

None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.

Agree on factors, but disagree on abuse. If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.
In the end, even if there are bonuses abuse visible in gambling casinos, the gambling operators have seen it coming and prepared for it, the reason why the house still always wins over the players or gamblers. And if we talk about bonus abuse, the casinos are still profiting from it through their high wages, so casinos have never been taken advantage on the first place, but maybe the players are unintentionally.

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No one else would be blamed but the casino ...

I saw many promotions abused by people, in most cases casinos had low requirements and many just saw the opportunity for making a few bucks in an easy way! In such cases, there's no one else to be blamed than casinos and teams behind. But I also see there are some professional abusers around, they are looking for new ways all the time, whatever security measures casinos make they will find a way to bypass it. So it's like the neverending war in my opinion, and all that makes it hard for us normal and honest players, more and more control.
^ For me, I think if there is someone to blame it should be the gambling casino.
First of all, before they think of distributing the bonus, they must have an idea of how to organize their events, how can abusers will abuse the bonus and there should be mechanics on how to get the bonus. Because for me, abusers were always there if a casino has an organized team and bonuses, it will not easily abuse and it should be passed by the game mechanics in able to get a bonus.
like I said before in my previous post on this thread, just because you can abuse something does not mean you should(this is not exclusively for gambling but for everything in life). solely blaming the gambling site because people can find ways to abuse the event is just moronic(no offence).

I agree with you, blaming the casino operator because someone is caught abusing the Casino bonus is just a complete bullcrap (no offence).  It is like saying it is ok to rob a house because he left his door open when going out.  Besides, as @lionheart78 stated, there are agreement between the player and the casino which prohibits acts of cheating or exploiting.  So this already nullify the claim that it is the casino's fault of letting its program be exploited.



I saw many promotions abused by people, in most cases casinos had low requirements and many just saw the opportunity for making a few bucks in an easy way! In such cases, there's no one else to be blamed than casinos and teams behind. But I also see there are some professional abusers around, they are looking for new ways all the time, whatever security measures casinos make they will find a way to bypass it. So it's like the neverending war in my opinion, and all that makes it hard for us normal and honest players, more and more control.

Good hearted people will never have difficulty in resisting temptation as this if not in a dire situation at least.  Only those who have greedy hearts and wicked mind can do this kind of thing regularly without any hesitation or every time an opportunity appears.  What worst than these people are the person who tolerates it, IMHO.
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I do not think that the increase in abuse is in any way related to the rate of cryptocurrency. In the last couple of years there are a lot of new crypto-enthusiasts who share possible cryptocurrency earnings with newbies in Youtube and other channels. This is most likely their business.

None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.

Agree on factors, but disagree on abuse. If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.
In the end, even if there are bonuses abuse visible in gambling casinos, the gambling operators have seen it coming and prepared for it, the reason why the house still always wins over the players or gamblers. And if we talk about bonus abuse, the casinos are still profiting from it through their high wages, so casinos have never been taken advantage on the first place, but maybe the players are unintentionally.

Even casinos who has lower wagering requirements like 2x to 5x are well ahead of most gamblers because they know the gamblers mentality and bonuses are kinda like a bait to start gambling.Most people say I am depositing 500 dollars and getting 1000 dollars is good as a bonus so I am playing that 500 extra to get the wagering requirements past and win some money and that is good reasoning as a start.However the thing that they don't realize is that the house edge is there to bust most of the gamblers and that is why the bonuses are well planned and executed by most casinos.

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I dont see how it can be the customers fault, presuming they are not massively plotting and professionally planning theft via being fraudulent.  Almost always the business has a greater duty of care and ability to accommodate all avenues a customer might take on a website while being a customer or is this case claiming a bonus.  It doesnt pay to really deter customers while they obviously have to prevent any exploit that might occur, its a given people will always try to get a 'special bonus'  that may never have been intended, we arent surprised by this surely and its a workload most types of business have to deal with.

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September 19, 2022, 09:14:58 PM
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I've seen same person having two accounts winning in wager contests. It is their ability and they're sticking to the casino's terms and conditions.
Did that person was able to claim his two prizes for those contests? That's abuse and usually, the complaints that we see on the forum coming from newbies are like from this type of abuse.
When they explain it to the community, it seems that they have never done something such as cheating. But when a representative from the casino they're complaining, and they're able to be traced based on their account and activity, they're busted out for cheating.

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Yes, casinos will always try to control their users but this is not always possible since people involved in this kind of abuse are constantly improving their skills because their earnings depend on it. In my opinion this struggle will never end, as online games cannot create a system that would identify users with 100% probability. I do not think something in this is guilty, because it is a struggle of technology.
You must have heard the phrase that cheaters are getting smarter every day, then it's almost impossible to break 100% of the tricks used by cheaters, moreover, the identity recognition feature is not 100% accurate. what a gambling site can do when they do promos with bonuses is to reduce the value of the bounties they give to the smallest so that cheaters who try to take advantage of being caught in the bonus system that are being held discourage their intentions because the bonus value being distributed is small.

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I dont see how it can be the customers fault, presuming they are not massively plotting and professionally planning theft via being fraudulent.  Almost always the business has a greater duty of care and ability to accommodate all avenues a customer might take on a website while being a customer or is this case claiming a bonus.  It doesnt pay to really deter customers while they obviously have to prevent any exploit that might occur, its a given people will always try to get a 'special bonus'  that may never have been intended, we arent surprised by this surely and its a workload most types of business have to deal with.

There are three things that may happen when a bonus exploit or glitch happens to open its opportunity.

1.  Player can report the glitch or the possible bonus exploit.
2.  Player can take advantage of these glitches or bonus exploit.
3. Player won't mind and ignore it.

Once the player started to exploit the bonus or glitch, the plan is automatically present there.  It doesn't matter if it was professionally done or not.  Once a player started exploiting the bonus, the player is automatically guilty of charges.  And should be blamed for his action when proven guilty as charged.

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I dont see how it can be the customers fault, presuming they are not massively plotting and professionally planning theft via being fraudulent.  Almost always the business has a greater duty of care and ability to accommodate all avenues a customer might take on a website while being a customer or is this case claiming a bonus.  It doesnt pay to really deter customers while they obviously have to prevent any exploit that might occur, its a given people will always try to get a 'special bonus'  that may never have been intended, we arent surprised by this surely and its a workload most types of business have to deal with.

There are three things that may happen when a bonus exploit or glitch happens to open its opportunity.

1.  Player can report the glitch or the possible bonus exploit.
2.  Player can take advantage of these glitches or bonus exploit.
3. Player won't mind and ignore it.

Once the player started to exploit the bonus or glitch, the plan is automatically present there.  It doesn't matter if it was professionally done or not.  Once a player started exploiting the bonus, the player is automatically guilty of charges.  And should be blamed for his action when proven guilty as charged.
Since the advent of online gaming and gambling, there has always been cases as this. I think most of these glitches are unforeseen, in that the service provider might be new to the business, or still uses an orthodox preexistent model or has failed to update or upgrade running programs. This, creating an avenue for those greedy souls to have options of exploiting the bonuses. It is most bad when a player has found a leak or hack in the system and exploits it. Special bonuses are meant for phases of the game, it shouldn't be exploited at all.

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Did that person was able to claim his two prizes for those contests? That's abuse and usually, the complaints that we see on the forum coming from newbies are like from this type of abuse.
It actually depends on the rules of the contest. If the rules stated "no user can win double prizes", it is clearly an abuse to claim 2 prizes. But if no statement limiting the opportunity to win for each user/participant, I don't think claiming 2 prizes is abuse. But to be fair, commonly in every contest, the winning opportunity of each participant should be limited. Regarding the newbies, sometimes they don't read the rules carefully or know them clearly.


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It actually depends on the rules of the contest. If the rules stated "no user can win double prizes", it is clearly an abuse to claim 2 prizes. But if no statement limiting the opportunity to win for each user/participant, I don't think claiming 2 prizes is abuse. But to be fair, commonly in every contest, the winning opportunity of each participant should be limited. Regarding the newbies, sometimes they don't read the rules carefully or know them clearly.

Of course in the end it depends on the rules of the contest. But many people will just simply ignore rules and just try to maximize their winnings, no matter what.

That's why the checks must be done by the casino, as you can't simply assume people will follow the rules or even act morally. It's all about money for a lot of people so the casino must be robust against abuse, because it will happen.

Typical cases of this is sign up bonuses and things like that, where one person uses multiple accounts to get multiple bonuses. If the casino makes that possible, it will happen.

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It actually depends on the rules of the contest. If the rules stated "no user can win double prizes", it is clearly an abuse to claim 2 prizes. But if no statement limiting the opportunity to win for each user/participant, I don't think claiming 2 prizes is abuse. But to be fair, commonly in every contest, the winning opportunity of each participant should be limited. Regarding the newbies, sometimes they don't read the rules carefully or know them clearly.

Of course in the end it depends on the rules of the contest. But many people will just simply ignore rules and just try to maximize their winnings, no matter what.

That's why the checks must be done by the casino, as you can't simply assume people will follow the rules or even act morally. It's all about money for a lot of people so the casino must be robust against abuse, because it will happen.

Typical cases of this is sign up bonuses and things like that, where one person uses multiple accounts to get multiple bonuses. If the casino makes that possible, it will happen.

Rules exist to be followed by the players. It should be automatically assumed that once you know the rules and policies of the platform you are using, you will avoid doing unusual or restricted activities to avoid the repercussions. However, most players don't really abide the policies, most especially if they see an opportunity to profit from it. Hence, abuses happen such as bonus abuse because the people act on their needs instead of doing what is right and just.

I agree with you that not everyone will choose to act morally, most especially when it comes to money. People like to find ways on how to generate more income. People love those hacks and tips they can utilize on their advantage. I, myself, take every opportunity that comes along my way as long as it isn't illegal, but not everyone thinks like that. So it is still the casino's responsibility to tighten their security and make a regular checking and maintenance so that there won't be glitches to be abused by others. If they want to profit and do not want to get tricked, they should invest in security of their system.
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This case if you are looking for somebody to be blame you will end up nothing because you don't know if you are going to blame the fraudster or The Gambler because two of them or both of them I in wrong side so what I have to say is that anyone that is a scammer you will easily detect or not the person through the attitude so I don't have to blame anybody for the incident that happened
how can you tell that both is in wrong side? the site has nothing to do from abuser and the player is in complete task in doing the best and good but they chooses to cheat or abuse the site so best to blame the last one.
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I agree with you, blaming the casino operator because someone is caught abusing the Casino bonus is just a complete bullcrap (no offence).  It is like saying it is ok to rob a house because he left his door open when going out.
But on the contrary, why must you leave your door open when going out, because, in as much as we do not justify the act of robbery to be good, we ought to be security conscious, which is what casino operators should always have in mind, because you do not know when an abuser may likely come, so been on the safer side will be of best advantage.

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It actually depends on the rules of the contest. If the rules stated "no user can win double prizes", it is clearly an abuse to claim 2 prizes. But if no statement limiting the opportunity to win for each user/participant, I don't think claiming 2 prizes is abuse. But to be fair, commonly in every contest, the winning opportunity of each participant should be limited. Regarding the newbies, sometimes they don't read the rules carefully or know them clearly.

Of course in the end it depends on the rules of the contest. But many people will just simply ignore rules and just try to maximize their winnings, no matter what.

That's why the checks must be done by the casino, as you can't simply assume people will follow the rules or even act morally. It's all about money for a lot of people so the casino must be robust against abuse, because it will happen.

Typical cases of this is sign up bonuses and things like that, where one person uses multiple accounts to get multiple bonuses. If the casino makes that possible, it will happen.
It is true that hoping that people use their moral compass every single time is simply not realistic and it makes more sense that they strive to get benefits to themselves at every opportunity they have, but it seems they forget that when they created an account at their favorite casino they have made a compromise to follow the rules established by the casino itself.

So any kind of bonus abuse, even the kind that can be traced back to a bug or a mistaken implementation by the casino, is still the responsibility of the player himself, as they made a compromise to not do something like that when they opened their account at that particular casino.

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September 20, 2022, 05:51:49 AM
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I agree with you, blaming the casino operator because someone is caught abusing the Casino bonus is just a complete bullcrap (no offence).  It is like saying it is ok to rob a house because he left his door open when going out.
But on the contrary, why must you leave your door open when going out, because, in as much as we do not justify the act of robbery to be good, we ought to be security conscious, which is what casino operators should always have in mind, because you do not know when an abuser may likely come, so been on the safer side will be of best advantage.

The thing is.... if the door is open, you as a stranger are not allowed to enter the house, without the consent of the owner of the house. Even if you were a friend ... you will still not just walk around in the house and start taking what is not offered to you.. right?

People that does that are called ==> criminals ....and they cannot use excuses to justify their actions. If a door is open, you can notify the owner or report it to the police. (I have had neighbors that left their doors wide open and I simply called them or I notified the local security companies... I did not enter the house)  Roll Eyes

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September 20, 2022, 06:17:56 AM
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But on the contrary, why must you leave your door open when going out, because, in as much as we do not justify the act of robbery to be good, we ought to be security conscious, which is what casino operators should always have in mind, because you do not know when an abuser may likely come, so be on the safer side will be of best advantage.

The answer to this question is very simple, someone saw an open door does it mean the owner left it for anyone to go and steal? I guess the answer is no because it is someone who has stealing intentions that will see an open door as an avenue for easy stealing. Am not encouraging anyone not to be guided or security conscious not even casino operators that accommodate all sorts of people looking for ways of making huge money, I think they need to apply more rules and wisdom in their casino  business to discourage more abusers from having that criminal intentions.

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Agree on factors, but disagree on abuse. If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.
In the end, even if there are bonuses abuse visible in gambling casinos, the gambling operators have seen it coming and prepared for it, the reason why the house still always wins over the players or gamblers. And if we talk about bonus abuse, the casinos are still profiting from it through their high wages, so casinos have never been taken advantage on the first place, but maybe the players are unintentionally.

 
Should we, therefore, draw the conclusion that the house is not fair to the players? What use does it serve to offer a bonus when they change the iteration such that you can't win? I feel that any casino company should always put honesty and reputation first, allowing players to win what they are entitled. No amount of tweaking will to stop cheaters from abusing those bonuses, but I think what they can do better as I have observed most casinos do, is attach terms and conditions to the bonuses they offer their players. Unfortunately, most of players fail to read these conditions, and it is only after they have won using these bonuses that they start complaining that the casino refuses to process their withdrawals.

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September 20, 2022, 09:27:27 PM
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Did that person was able to claim his two prizes for those contests? That's abuse and usually, the complaints that we see on the forum coming from newbies are like from this type of abuse.
It actually depends on the rules of the contest. If the rules stated "no user can win double prizes", it is clearly an abuse to claim 2 prizes. But if no statement limiting the opportunity to win for each user/participant, I don't think claiming 2 prizes is abuse. But to be fair, commonly in every contest, the winning opportunity of each participant should be limited. Regarding the newbies, sometimes they don't read the rules carefully or know them clearly.
Yes, if he's caught by the system, his prize will be halted. But sometimes, there are incidents that it's not caught by the system and the player just admits to his friends that he's done it.
I agree to you that there's should be a limitation and those players that are abusing it won't be eligible to get it because it seems that they're proud of it by breaking the rules set by the casino they have participated in.
For sure that casino won't tolerate it.

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But many people will just simply ignore rules and just try to maximize their winnings, no matter what.
You are right. Greed makes people sometimes don't care about the rules. They only focus on optimizing the chance to get bigger money, and finding the loopholes in the rules to break. I know this isn't something new in every contest.

That's why the checks must be done by the casino, as you can't simply assume people will follow the rules or even act morally. It's all about money for a lot of people so the casino must be robust against abuse, because it will happen.
Indeed. There should be some people to break the rules. So, checking the validity of each participant is a must, I am sure all the casinos do it once they provide a contest. Creating multiple accounts is a very common issue, checking this won't be easy but I think the system in most Casinos is able to do this.

Yes, if he's caught by the system, his prize will be halted. But sometimes, there are incidents that it's not caught by the system and the player just admits to his friends that he's done it.
Sure, sometimes the system can't find the abuse. The system won't always work 100% accurately, there should be a chance of failure.


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September 21, 2022, 01:39:23 AM
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So assuming there is no flawless security system, then the bonus abusers are the only ones to blame on the eventual losses of casinos, but i also believe that before offering very appealing bonuses to new players those platforms should be aware of the potential weaknesses their systems may have, study the losses they could suffer in order to adjust the terms and conditions before launching a bonus campaign, at least this way they may know what to expect in terms of loss/benefit ratio.

Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.


Yes I am thinking sometimes that they are already knew it or they are also aware of it, they just let it slide so that many people will create account in their website and will give them larger traffic like the way they are planning, but they also know how much losses it will come back to them, so it means they already have the estimated amount of it, I think right now there's no one to blame with.
and also ? they will just let them deposit and try their luck because the issue will occur once they won and need to withdraw and with that? the cheating will be revealed and they will never get their funds out because of violating their Rules.
it is a win win solution or strategy from each site actually .

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But on the contrary, why must you leave your door open when going out, because, in as much as we do not justify the act of robbery to be good, we ought to be security conscious, which is what casino operators should always have in mind, because you do not know when an abuser may likely come, so be on the safer side will be of best advantage.

The answer to this question is very simple, someone saw an open door does it mean the owner left it for anyone to go and steal? I guess the answer is no because it is someone who has stealing intentions that will see an open door as an avenue for easy stealing. Am not encouraging anyone not to be guided or security conscious not even casino operators that accommodate all sorts of people looking for ways of making huge money, I think they need to apply more rules and wisdom in their casino  business to discourage more abusers from having that criminal intentions.
If someone intended to steal, they would try to find out which door was unlocked. They don't always steal when they see an open door because they feel that sometimes it's a trap set up for them to catch. And if the casino provides a bonus but the member violates it, I think it is the member's fault because the member has not obeyed the rules in the casino so that their account can be blocked from playing gambling at the casino.

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September 21, 2022, 05:25:49 AM
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It's abuse, so it's not of course the fault of the merchant. Why should the merchant be the one who is at fault when it is their system who's being abused. But since the platforms are the ones that are suffering from this and it is their revenue that is affected, then the burden to do something falls on them. These abusers won't easily stop for as long as there are loopholes of if they are not banned or arrested.
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September 21, 2022, 06:28:59 AM
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I've seen same person having two accounts winning in wager contests. It is their ability and they're sticking to the casino's terms and conditions.

First of all, is it even worth the risk for people to have few accounts to participate in wagering contest? To win in wagering contest, someone need to spend a lot money because we all know that wagering contest is mostly won by whales. Secondly, every contest or every casino must have come with their own rules. If there is no rules about multi accounts, the person cant be called as abuser since he/she did not break the rules.

But to be fair, commonly in every contest, the winning opportunity of each participant should be limited. Regarding the newbies, sometimes they don't read the rules carefully or know them clearly.

There can be an exception for some type of contest. For example in a contest such as lottery where players collect ticket by wagering. In this type of contest, players are allowed to win several prizes. We can see it in one of the popular casino here (Stake), in their weekly lottery. You will see that some names who win few prizes almost every week.

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September 21, 2022, 07:13:01 AM
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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?
People like freebies and gambling companies need to convert new customers with bonuses and offers, so it is an issue that can't be solved. There is nothing much the fraud detection system could do if the people cheating the company are clever. And one of the major reasons causing the bonus cheating boom is the first deposit bonus attraction and offers.

This is a good way to attract new clients but also a good way for a well-established client to pretend as though he/she is a new client to benefit from the bonus many times. This is not a new scheme, it has been happening even before gambling, and it will continue to happen since no one could actually trace most of these frauds, not even with KYC and the strictest verification in the whole world. Except for IP and MAC addresses, including the same on a phone that cheaters can cleverly outsmart.

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This case if you are looking for somebody to be blame you will end up nothing because you don't know if you are going to blame the fraudster or The Gambler because two of them or both of them I in wrong side so what I have to say is that anyone that is a scammer you will easily detect or not the person through the attitude so I don't have to blame anybody for the incident that happened
how can you tell that both is in wrong side? the site has nothing to do from abuser and the player is in complete task in doing the best and good but they chooses to cheat or abuse the site so best to blame the last one.
I have  been gambling for years , there are chance that I almost won and  get unexpected funds but happens to be a wrong send from a address in which i return back, so let us be honest because we are not hiding anything forever.
Since gambling is a thing of Choice then we don't need to accuse anyone when it comes to betting because we all have the interest to gamble and go for what we want. For me, I don't have anybody to blame when it comes to gambling whether the casino or the gambler themselves.

Since everyone as a gambler want to make additional profits from what they use they use in gambling then what ever risk we take is much left to us. We have all the whole safety  precautions to take when we go fully I to gambling so whatever we do when we gamble is quite left to us to face.

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The answer to this question is very simple, someone saw an open door does it mean the owner left it for anyone to go and steal? I guess the answer is no because it is someone who has stealing intentions that will see an open door as an avenue for easy stealing. Am not encouraging anyone not to be guided or security conscious not even casino operators that accommodate all sorts of people looking for ways of making huge money, I think they need to apply more rules and wisdom in their casino  business to discourage more abusers from having that criminal intentions.

You see a tap with running water. If you fill your bottle with that water, is this an act of stealing or irresponsibility of tap owner ? Or imagine you are standing at the reception and notice a bowl with candies. They are the bonus. Will you take just one, or grab bunch or as much as possible with your hand? I think you will take more than one, because it was easy to get something for free and you will repeat that action. Who should be blamed in that case? You or the manager that did not notice that and stop you? (reminder, we are talking about bonuses) In example given by you - an open door is an act of irresponsibility. If the owner of that door isnt punished, then he could do even more irresponsible things. His loss is his experience.

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^

I agree, but with the casino is a little more complicated because they do not have the technical capabilities to check each user and if they do it will cause inconvenience to users who will be easier to go to another gambling site. The casino owners are trying to find the golden mean - that their fight against abuse does not cross the line after which users will begin to feel discomfort. It seems to me that there is no one to blame here, because some are trying to protect themselves and others to find a buggy loophole in order to improve their lives.

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^

I agree, but with the casino is a little more complicated because they do not have the technical capabilities to check each user, and if they do it will cause inconvenience to users who will be easier to go to another gambling site. The casino owners are trying to find the golden mean - that their fight against abuse does not cross the line after which users will begin to feel discomfort. It seems to me that there is no one to blame here because some are trying to protect themselves and others to find a buggy loophole to improve their lives.

Bonuses and rewards are already an open opportunity for most gamblers, especially those who don't have high capital. The sad thing is they are not just grabbing the chances but also abusing it. We can't blame them because they are just taking advantage of these bonuses that aren't permanent. It's a struggle for gambling sites but I guess they should also know how to limit giving free rewards per account. Checking and asking for KYC can be a disadvantage because most gamblers are avoiding it. As much as possible, it should be a site's prerogative to control these abusive rewards claimers.
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So assuming there is no flawless security system, then the bonus abusers are the only ones to blame on the eventual losses of casinos, but i also believe that before offering very appealing bonuses to new players those platforms should be aware of the potential weaknesses their systems may have, study the losses they could suffer in order to adjust the terms and conditions before launching a bonus campaign, at least this way they may know what to expect in terms of loss/benefit ratio.

Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.


Yes I am thinking sometimes that they are already knew it or they are also aware of it, they just let it slide so that many people will create account in their website and will give them larger traffic like the way they are planning, but they also know how much losses it will come back to them, so it means they already have the estimated amount of it, I think right now there's no one to blame with.
and also ? they will just let them deposit and try their luck because the issue will occur once they won and need to withdraw and with that? the cheating will be revealed and they will never get their funds out because of violating their Rules.
it is a win win solution or strategy from each site actually .

That would explain why I have seen people creating a discussion on the gambling or reputation board against a casino for allegedly decreasing their winnings or not allowing them to withdraw, etc . I have seen a couple of those where the apparent incident involved the use of a bonus, of course the casino had its back covered by their own Terms of service. The house always wins, if they allowed people to withdraw high earnings obtained solely through bonuses then they would not be in business much longer, specially small casinos with a tighter budget.

 

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