[List]Gambling Board Spammers; Concerns, Solutions & Suggestions

[UmerIdrees]

I can imagine spam would be much less if bitcoin discussion boards, gambling discussion boards, and altcoin boards implemented self-moderation threads. But that's only done by people who really care about the quality of posts.

All of these discussion boards have a lot of spam, especially in the threads which have hundreds of pages. The topics in gambling discussions are so generic that spammers can repeat the same thing over and over again to meet the gambling section posting requirements.
However, this cannot be done with ease in the gambling section that contains mostly the ANN threads of the gambling sites and usually, the people discuss about the site features or the site issues and you can consider them less spammy. 

Do you people think that Gambling section is a bit less spammy than the Gambling discussion section?

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[Poker Player]

Do you people think that Gambling section is a bit less spammy than the Gambling discussion section?

Well yes, I would agree that it is a little less spammy, but only a little.

I do not believe that anything will be changed with respect to this section. It is what it is. If you are a gambler, you can find interesting information there. If you like a certain type of sport, soccer, cricket or whatever, you also have a dedicated thread. What about low quality posts? Yes, if you see them, report them.

Another curious thing that happens in this section is that some people are in a gambling signature campaign and you can see that they lose much more gambling in the site they advertise than what they win in the signature campaign. They are people who claim that a certain variant of the martingale helps them to make money, lol.

[_BlackStar]

Do you people think that Gambling section is a bit less spammy than the Gambling discussion section?

No, mostly the same though I think the ANN thread has a more technical discussion about the site and how gamblers win things from the site. It all depends on how you rate it, if you like discussing the sports and games you like then you are also free to do so regardless of how other people rate it.

Even some people can still be considered bumping the thread to keep the thread on top for high visibility. Regardless of whether such people get paid behind the scenes or not but I'm sure you'll probably notice that there is such behavior in ANN thread. I just believe that reporting the post to a moderator for review is a solution that will help keep the board clean of spam.

Another curious thing that happens in this section is that some people are in a gambling signature campaign and you can see that they lose much more gambling in the site they advertise than what they win in the signature campaign. They are people who claim that a certain variant of the martingale helps them to make money, lol.

All gamblers do it consciously, and those who spend more money gambling than they make from signature campaign are those who want something bigger. This is a somewhat greedy mindset, but it doesn't matter because it's only about the problems gamblers have and not the forum.

[JollyGood]

Yes I did it a long time ago, long before the OP created this thread.

In the sports related threads, I tend to delete low quality posts including those that are from members spamming for the sake of their signature campaign fee. I think it helped in many ways to keep those threads clean. Sure it has resulted in less number of posts compared to similar threads but that does not have a negative impact because the regular visitors continue to post.

Hopefully this season 2022/23 is going to be a little better in the thread but having said that the header currently shows:
359 posts by 98 users with 1 merit deleted. therefore I feel I am contributing in my own way by deleting the spammers and low quality posts.

In my opinion, having self-moderated threads in high spam boards does make sense.

I know you did this long before the OP made his suggestion because the chances of spam for such a thread are very high. So self-moderation thread for discussion like that makes a lot of sense if the OP really wants to contribute as one of the spam hunters on this forum. If the OP was very actively moderating his thread ^{[as you did]} then I'm sure spammers would probably stay away from threads like that just to be safe from post deletion.

I can imagine spam would be much less if bitcoin discussion boards, gambling discussion boards, and altcoin boards implemented self-moderation threads. But that's only done by people who really care about the quality of posts.

[UmerIdrees]

Yes I did it a long time ago, long before the OP created this thread.

In the sports related threads, I tend to delete low quality posts including those that are from members spamming for the sake of their signature campaign fee. I think it helped in many ways to keep those threads clean. Sure it has resulted in less number of posts compared to similar threads but that does not have a negative impact because the regular visitors continue to post.

If i give my own example, i am a big fan of cricket, so i usually post in cricket related gambling discussion threads. Even though those threads are over 500+ pages but I still find them interesting as we have new matches and tournaments every now and then and i always have something new to discuss and read. There are many regular posters who discuss the same and even if a newcomer comes there, it is not easy to recognize (unless he says anything foolish) if he is posting for a signature campaign or he is really interested in discussions.
Since I rarely follow football leagues or other sports, you won't find me posting there. Even if I had to post there, I would have something to say about it and not spam.

[Igebotz]

Yes I did it a long time ago, long before the OP created this thread.

In the sports related threads, I tend to delete low quality posts including those that are from members spamming for the sake of their signature campaign fee. I think it helped in many ways to keep those threads clean. Sure it has resulted in less number of posts compared to similar threads but that does not have a negative impact because the regular visitors continue to post.

If i give my own example, i am a big fan of cricket, so i usually post in cricket related gambling discussion threads. Even though those threads are over 500+ pages but I still find them interesting as we have new matches and tournaments every now and then and i always have something new to discuss and read. There are many regular posters who discuss the same and even if a newcomer comes there, it is not easy to recognize (unless he says anything foolish) if he is posting for a signature campaign or he is really interested in discussions.
Since I rarely follow football leagues or other sports, you won't find me posting there. Even if I had to post there, I would have something to say about it and not spam.

Cricket is unpopular sport, so spamming on such a thread would be more difficult than on a football thread; football is one of the most watched sports, and there is news about it all over the media; most of these spammers without knowledge of the game just go to news pages, pick up some random headlines, and post it on the forum without any proper details; a user who watches the game will always contribute positively than someone who just reads news online. I know nothing about cricket, so I see no reason to go on a cricket thread and spin words; people should only talk about what they know best, and that's it. You made a point

[Smartvirus]

Cricket is unpopular sport, so spamming on such a thread would be more difficult than on a football thread; football is one of the most watched sports, and there is news about it all over the media; most of these spammers without knowledge of the game just go to news pages, pick up some random headlines, and post it on the forum without any proper details; a user who watches the game will always contribute positively than someone who just reads news online. I know nothing about cricket, so I see no reason to go on a cricket thread and spin words; people should only talk about what they know best, and that's it. You made a point

Unfortunately, that's likely not going to be the case for most often. The football discussion threads with football being one of the most or should I say the most viewed sport, there is never going to be a dull moment on that thread and all users can't can't as professional as others so, they respond based on how they know the game.
Am sure a lot of users would have loved to by pass that section but, signature doesn't give them most of them most of the chance. Majority of campaigns on the forum are gambling platforms and as such, the need for sports analysis can't be lacking. People tends to post because they have to and not because they want to. That's the first step to posting garbage and only the managers could help put this in check. It's no easy task though and moderation on that board is a lot of work.

[Igebotz]

Cricket is unpopular sport, so spamming on such a thread would be more difficult than on a football thread; football is one of the most watched sports, and there is news about it all over the media; most of these spammers without knowledge of the game just go to news pages, pick up some random headlines, and post it on the forum without any proper details; a user who watches the game will always contribute positively than someone who just reads news online. I know nothing about cricket, so I see no reason to go on a cricket thread and spin words; people should only talk about what they know best, and that's it. You made a point

Am sure a lot of users would have loved to by pass that section but, signature doesn't give them most of them most of the chance. Majority of campaigns on the forum are gambling platforms and as such, the need for sports analysis can't be lacking. People tends to post because they have to and not because they want to. That's the first step to posting garbage and only the managers could help put this in check. It's no easy task though and moderation on that board is a lot of work.

The football thread is not the only gambling discussion thread there; there are others as well. Why discuss a sport they are unfamiliar with? Indians enjoy cricket, Americans enjoy basketball and baseball, Europeans enjoy football, and Africans enjoy football, so there is literally something for everyone. They should post in the sport thread that they follow or are interested in.

[Ryker1]

10 post requirement a week is very reasonable if you will spread it in the whole week

Many signature campaigns require only 5 posts in the gambling boards, so chances are you won't have to write 10.
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Well for now --I like the quota requirement per week of my current manager. ^{[CryptopreneurBrainboss]}
7 posts per week on gambling boards is quite reasonable to avoid spam and has a limit of 2 posts daily in the gambling board section.
Let us see if there is a balance between the forum, the signature participants, and the company that we promoted.

Why discuss a sport they are unfamiliar with? Indians enjoy cricket, Americans enjoy basketball and baseball, Europeans enjoy football, and Africans enjoy football, so there is literally something for everyone. They should post in the sport thread that they follow or are interested in.

It is indeed the fact and this was what I said earlier in my post on this thread, don't interact with the topic that you don't know.
Perhaps this will be solved the problem if no one will spam on that board just for their weekly quota.

[JollyGood]

The same way you do not really follow the football threads (as you prefer cricket), there are others that do not follow the cricket threads but follow the football threads instead. Each has their own preference but as you will not post in the football threads but will post in the cricket threads there are those that will post anything incoherent in any thread on any topic just to make the signature campaign fee target and that is where there is a problem.

Handling those spammers or those posts considered low quality or incoherent is not an issue in self-moderated threads but when threads remain unmoderated the good quality meaningful posts get drowned out by those seeking to spam the thread with nonsense. I think those that mentioned earlier in this thread they have locked existing threads and started new self-moderated ones, have done so after contemplating it and concluded it was the best way to ensure the threads have relevance.

Yes I did it a long time ago, long before the OP created this thread.

In the sports related threads, I tend to delete low quality posts including those that are from members spamming for the sake of their signature campaign fee. I think it helped in many ways to keep those threads clean. Sure it has resulted in less number of posts compared to similar threads but that does not have a negative impact because the regular visitors continue to post.

If i give my own example, i am a big fan of cricket, so i usually post in cricket related gambling discussion threads. Even though those threads are over 500+ pages but I still find them interesting as we have new matches and tournaments every now and then and i always have something new to discuss and read. There are many regular posters who discuss the same and even if a newcomer comes there, it is not easy to recognize (unless he says anything foolish) if he is posting for a signature campaign or he is really interested in discussions.
Since I rarely follow football leagues or other sports, you won't find me posting there. Even if I had to post there, I would have something to say about it and not spam.

[Igebotz]

10 post requirement a week is very reasonable if you will spread it in the whole week

Many signature campaigns require only 5 posts in the gambling boards, so chances are you won't have to write 10.
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Well for now --I like the quota requirement per week of my current manager. ^{[CryptopreneurBrainboss]}
7 posts per week on gambling boards is quite reasonable to avoid spam and has a limit of 2 posts daily in the gambling board section.
Let us see if there is a balance between the forum, the signature participants, and the company that we promoted.

Limiting the number of daily posts on the gambling board will not solve the problem either; that is a post prison for genuine gambling posters who enjoy posting on the gambling board - there are quite a few users who prefer post on the gambling board, and I'm one of those users; there is no better fun place than the gambling discussion board, and I post on that board on average 4-5 times per day. A daily post minimum is acceptable, but a daily post maximum will not solve anything; a shitposter can still shit his daily posts.

[Coyster]

Well for now --I like the quota requirement per week of my current manager. ^{[CryptopreneurBrainboss]}
7 posts per week on gambling boards is quite reasonable to avoid spam and has a limit of 2 posts daily in the gambling board section.
Let us see if there is a balance between the forum, the signature participants, and the company that we promoted.

7 posts per week in the gambling section is just 3 posts less than the norm (which is 10 posts), thus i can't explain why a user who can make 7 quality posts would struggle to make 3 more of the same quality; as for the daily quota, the unconstructive posters will still make 2 shit posts per day; do not get me wrong, i am not trying to play down the efforts of the bounty manager in curtailing spam in that board, my point is basically that quite a lot of users are just spammers and tbh they wouldn't just change because of a 'tiny' rule that they can circumvent easily.

Having said that, users are not expected to even have all the knowledge in the world to comment in the gambling section, the thing is, if you are making a post there, make sure you are on-topic, and you honestly know what you are saying, and that you are not just copying and pasting what you got from somewhere else, and that should be fine.

[LTU_btc]

Cricket is unpopular sport, so spamming on such a thread would be more difficult than on a football thread; football is one of the most watched sports, and there is news about it all over the media; most of these spammers without knowledge of the game just go to news pages, pick up some random headlines, and post it on the forum without any proper details; a user who watches the game will always contribute positively than someone who just reads news online. I know nothing about cricket, so I see no reason to go on a cricket thread and spin words; people should only talk about what they know best, and that's it. You made a point

I think that these who want will always find ways to spam, no matter it's football, cricket or chess thread, even if they don't know even basic rules of game. Can't speak about cricket, but I often see spammers posting their shit about sports they have no clue at all. It's basketball, hockey, olympics and so on. But yeah, there is much less spam in topics other than football, soI prefer to discuss there about less popular sports, rather than football.
BTW, there is so much discussion in Gambling discussion board about sports itself, that name of board don't even corresponds name of it.

[JollyGood]

I am inclined to go with this view. It is not the first time our thinking patterns have aligned 

Those that might feel limiting the number of daily posts on any thread or board (including gambling) will be the complete solution to the spamming problem are not quite right. Even if we forget about the gambling commentators favourite board (post prison as you called it), apply the same principle to any board or thread and by limiting the number of posts made it does limit also the number of spam posts being made but can it also have a negative impact on other posters that post more than the talked-about daily quota? I would say 'yes'.

The easiest way around the issue would be moderated threads, it is really difficult to look beyond that as an almost permanent solution.

Limiting the number of daily posts on the gambling board will not solve the problem either; that is a post prison for genuine gambling posters who enjoy posting on the gambling board - there are quite a few users who prefer post on the gambling board, and I'm one of those users; there is no better fun place than the gambling discussion board, and I post on that board on average 4-5 times per day. A daily post minimum is acceptable, but a daily post maximum will not solve anything; a shitposter can still shit his daily posts.

[Welsh]

The easiest way around the issue would be moderated threads, it is really difficult to look beyond that as an almost permanent solution.

I'm not against the idea, but I do think users should still be encouraged to report the outright spam, so that we can get to the bottom of the problem. It's all well, and good deleting a few posts that were deemed spam inside that moderated thread, but if they're doing it outside as well, it's good to have the moderators aware of that. Maybe, deleting the post in your self moderated thread, and reporting another outside, and just making note of that.

I don't want to see the community just coping, I want to see as many solutions as possible without too many restrictions being put in place. I think that's the best way forward personally.

[JollyGood]

Ah Welsh, you made a point that I overlooked entirely. If posts get deleted in self-moderated threads then yes the root issue is not known to moderators therefore having them reported have their own benefits for the forum admin and moderators to look at the wider problem.

The downside is that on many occasions actions by moderators have taken days to either merge posts or remove them. Self-moderated thread creators can get twitchy in the interim  

I think I will try to do that, instead of just deleting spammers I will report them and wait for moderators to take action unless the posts are from users that are promoting scams or alike. (Those are really related to the sports threads I created in the gambling section).

The easiest way around the issue would be moderated threads, it is really difficult to look beyond that as an almost permanent solution.

I'm not against the idea, but I do think users should still be encouraged to report the outright spam, so that we can get to the bottom of the problem. It's all well, and good deleting a few posts that were deemed spam inside that moderated thread, but if they're doing it outside as well, it's good to have the moderators aware of that. Maybe, deleting the post in your self moderated thread, and reporting another outside, and just making note of that.

I don't want to see the community just coping, I want to see as many solutions as possible without too many restrictions being put in place. I think that's the best way forward personally.

[Welsh]

Ah Welsh, you made a point that I overlooked entirely. If posts get deleted in self-moderated threads then yes the root issue is not known to moderators therefore having them reported have their own benefits for the forum admin and moderators to look at the wider problem.

The downside is that on many occasions actions by moderators have taken days to either merge posts or remove them. Self-moderated thread creators can get twitchy in the interim  

I think I will try to do that, instead of just deleting spammers I will report them and wait for moderators to take action unless the posts are from users that are promoting scams or alike. (Those are really related to the sports threads I created in the gambling section).

You could just apply it to those that are spamming all over, and not just posted a one off comment. I guess there's a balance to it, and obviously what you want in your self moderated thread is up to you, but looking at it from a greater scope, worth keeping in mind. I'm certainly not telling you it's required.

Yeah, I can't really comment on how long it takes for reports to get acted upon, as I don't see them from that section. Although, the ones that I have done were handled the same day.

[Igebotz]

I am inclined to go with this view. It is not the first time our thinking patterns have aligned 

Those that might feel limiting the number of daily posts on any thread or board (including gambling) will be the complete solution to the spamming problem are not quite right. Even if we forget about the gambling commentators favourite board (post prison as you called it), apply the same principle to any board or thread and by limiting the number of posts made it does limit also the number of spam posts being made but can it also have a negative impact on other posters that post more than the talked-about daily quota? I would say 'yes'.

The easiest way around the issue would be moderated threads, it is really difficult to look beyond that as an almost permanent solution.

Daily post limit is a cancer! I know users who are capable of dropping 10 quality posts per day.

The in-game commentary is something we need to look into this season, it's boring to see shitloads of posts on each goal of the match, it's fine to give HT and FT thoughts, but every minute reactions made me sick to my stomach, we had a lot of them earlier last season before they were kicked out, and I know a few of them may return to the thread soon.

OP- there's a lot going on in the transfer market right now to talk about, and since I'm not the OP, I can't double post. I'd like a daily transfer headlines from you so we can share opinions - I don't want the community to think the thread is limited to just the two of us. There was a time when only you and I were active on that thread for nearly three weeks.

Yeah, I can't really comment on how long it takes for reports to get acted upon, as I don't see them from that section. Although, the ones that I have done were handled the same day.

All my reported cases today are left unhandled let's see what happens in the next 24hrs.

[ingiltere]

Some people really post to fulfill the quota, when you read their post your mind is blowing, they don't know what they are talking about. I warned some of these guys in my threads when I see them but usually they don't even reply because they only write their low quality post and close the thread. They don't even join the conversation. It's best to report these kind of spam messages and moderators will act on it.

Self moderated threads are not the solution as most people don't want to use them. Why should anybody trust OP instead of moderators? Thread may start with good intentions but later OP can delete whatever he wants, mods don't do that.

Honestly Gambling board threads have way more spam as people always talk about same thing over and over again. It doesn't benefit advertisers as well because it's pretty boring to read those threads and eventually it has way less exposure. Gambling Discussion is a live place and anything is changing everyday. A lot of people use and enjoy those league threads, it's like a sports forum. I like the way it is. I believe signatures are the most effective in that board. Spammers are everywhere but you can always report and ignore them.

My suggestion is, use report function more and if it's necessary assigning a dedicated board moderator would be good.

[Despairo]

Bump

I saw there's a user create new thread about UEFA champions league because he don't like the previous thread that self moderated. I don't think @buwaytress is misused his privilege to delete every post that he doesn't like or someone rooting a club that @buwaytress not fan. That's the reason why I think creating a new thread of this discussion isn't needed.

However, I already report the post

12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting topics in the local language boards if they're translated and re-posting marketplace topics in the altcoin boards if altcoins are accepted).