Should rules on plagiarism be changed and updated?

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

Forum has rule against plagiarism.

33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e]

Common rule violations

These are the most common rule violations that newbies make. There are other rules than these.

• Plagiarism: If you copy some text from somewhere, then you should have a good reason for it, and you must link to the source. Doing otherwise is plagiarism. Changing a few words around doesn't matter. If we find that you plagiarized, then you absolutely will be permanently banned, even if we find it years after you did it.

Warning: Anyone caught copying other users' posts or plagiarising content from elsewhere on the web will be immediately permabanned. You shouldn't need a warning to know that this isn't acceptable under any circumstances.

Recently some plagiarized reports were handled without any punishment, no account ban (permanently or temporarily), no signature ban.

Is this rule still applied?

If it is not applicable, please edit those topics and that rule.

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[mk4]

I'm pretty sure they still punish plagiarizers. It's just that mods can make mistakes when judging posts from time to time (which is normal, they're human as well).

If you really think they passed over a good number of plagiarized posts, go create a thread so other people can check.

[Maus0728]

There is an updated list[1] of banned forum users and upon verifying, I've seen some recently reported accounts on the list, indicating that the forum administrators are still actively banning user accounts. Its just that it isn't real time.

[1]  https://loyce.club/bans/banned.html

[Charles-Tim]

Can you give names of users that plagiarized and not banned? What update do you want more than strict rules against plagiarism? I was surprised you did not come up with as many as possible users that plagiarized and not banned which is the only way you can defend what you are talking about. Above all, as there is plagiarism rule, plagiarism will still be solved case by case. I have noticed this forum do not take plagiarism lightly.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I already created a similar topic, and everything was discussed in sufficient detail there.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388389.msg59430082#msg59430082

A copy will always remain a copy. And this rule still works: moderators block accounts.
But this rule does not work when there is a paraphrase. This is the case for the last case, which is presented on the topic of plagiarism. Here, of course, there are questions. A person writes posts only to fill the quota set by his subscription company, and as we can see, he is completely far from sports. And just such a paraphrase looks very bright and noticeable. This user would probably be helped by the prohibition of signatures for any period so that he would accept and realize his mistakes.

Be that as it may, this topic has already been discussed, and we are powerless to change these rules. The moderators have their own views on this. However, I don't think it's best to ignore plagiarism altogether. Since this will bring the forum back to the side of spam and garbage, which is something everyone here seems to be fighting hard against.

[Poker Player]

As the rules are unofficial, and there has not been a radical change, i.e. plagiarism is not allowed, but as Charles-Tim says it is handled on a case by case basis, I don't think anything needs to be changed. The only thing is that in some cases someone will not be banned for a case of plagiarism that is considered minor, that was a long time ago and that was only one time.

[Rikafip]

But this rule does not work when there is a paraphrase.

I don't know whether that's true or not, but since paraphrasing is form of plagiarism it shouldn't be allowed. Thinking of it it may be even worse as that implies person knowing that he is actually cop[y/pasting but is trying to avoid being detected.

The only thing is that in some cases someone will not be banned for a case of plagiarism that is considered minor, that was a long time ago and that was only one time.

Then there is this case where user plagiarized multiple times, not long time ago and still no punishment whatsoever.

[Poker Player]

The only thing is that in some cases someone will not be banned for a case of plagiarism that is considered minor, that was a long time ago and that was only one time.

Then there is this case where user plagiarized multiple times, not long time ago and still no punishment whatsoever.

Well, and also suchmoon has repeatedly complained about not handling plagiarism reports in the WO thread:

Remove "Report to moderator" from Wall Observer

As far as I know, plagiarism is not allowed. If it were, the unofficial rule would have to be changed and it would have to be announced in Meta.

The bad thing is that no one explains why these cases are not handled and leave us all in doubt.

[Oluwa-btc]

Should prolly be my first time making contribution to stuff's about plagiarism.
 Are reporting plagiarism meant only DT member's ?

 If Yes, I'll back off. If No, then I'mma report. It seems inner the gambling discussion ends there are no much eyes down that ends and both old members with the Legendary ranks also fall for that. ( Seen less from them lower ranks ).

I'm only saying, I've seen some copy pasted post in the gambling ends, maybe all because they're gambling they aren't taken seriously as other board's.  Please DT member's or those assigned to report plagiarism should also look over that ends.

Thanks.

[Poker Player]

Should prolly be my first time making contribution to stuff's about plagiarism.
 Are reporting plagiarism meant only DT member's ?

 If Yes, I'll back off. If No, then I'mma report. It seems inner the gambling discussion ends there are no much eyes down that ends and both old members with the Legendary ranks also fall for that. ( Seen less from them lower ranks ).

I'm only saying, I've seen some copy pasted post in the gambling ends, maybe all because they're gambling they aren't taken seriously as other board's.  Please DT member's or those assigned to report plagiarism should also look over that ends.

Thanks.

Report those posts. Reporting in general, and reporting plagiarism is not reserved for DT members or anyone else. Report such cases via the button and/or on the Report Plagiarism thread.

[Daniel91]

I don't think the plagiarism rules have changed on this forum.
I also don't think the rule on plagiarism should be changed or abolish.
I don't know how long you have been on this forum, but due to the many opportunities to earn money through paid signature campaigns on this forum, we have a lot of members who spam the forum with their posts, and some even copy other people's texts or posts to meet the required number of posts in their campaigns.
If we didn't have the option to report such members, this forum would be a much worse place with too much spam.
Admins and moderators probably can't  review all reports by members about plagiarism in a short time, but that doesn't mean that the anti-plagiarism rule no longer applies.
If a member accidentally or unintentionally makes a mistake and forgets to add a source of information, based on his previous merits and contributions to the forum, he can request forgiveness from permaban, but such requests are rarely accepted.

[Lucius]

I personally understood the message that the administration is obviously sending in a quiet way - and the message is that most of those who are at least Jr. rank and above deserve a second chance in terms of not being permabanned. However, there are exceptions when several members report someone for plagiarism, and these things are still a little harder to ignore.

The fact is that the forum is not doing very well in the sense that its base of quality members is increasing and that the intention is to try to keep everyone, even if they break the rules. Plagiarism is still a violation of the rules, but apparently we should no longer expect such severe punishments as before.

[Rikafip]

Should prolly be my first time making contribution to stuff's about plagiarism.
 Are reporting plagiarism meant only DT member's ?

Of course you don't have to have DT status to report someone for plagiarism.

I'm only saying, I've seen some copy pasted post in the gambling ends, maybe all because they're gambling they aren't taken seriously as other board's.  Please DT member's or those assigned to report plagiarism should also look over that ends.

If you see copy/paste without reference link, feel free to report. Just make sure to provide the evidence for your claim.

I personally understood the message that the administration is obviously sending in a quiet way - and the message is that most of those who are at least Jr. rank and above deserve a second chance in terms of not being permabanned. However, there are exceptions when several members report someone for plagiarism, and these things are still a little harder to ignore.

I kinda agree with that more lenient and forgiving approach (if that's the case) by not giving perma ban immediately, but we sometimes see no action taken whatsoever, not even a signature ban (which should be minimum imho) and I think that's not the smartest approach, regardless of the fact that amount of active users is constantly decreasing.

[JollyGood]

There is a paradox as far as moderators or admin are concerned when it comes to plagiarism because if they temporarily or permanently ban a user it will always evoke a reaction from those that think the ban was excessive and will use another plagiarism case as a comparator.

There are several cases where supporters of those permanently banned have come out to make pro-statements but forum admin find themselves in a difficult position because their actions in addressing plagiarism cases have to come across in a particular way where the allegation of favouritism cannot be levelled at them. Legendary and Hero rank members may not take kindly to Jnr rank members may not agree with them being shown a lenient hand.

I personally understood the message that the administration is obviously sending in a quiet way - and the message is that most of those who are at least Jr. rank and above deserve a second chance in terms of not being permabanned. However, there are exceptions when several members report someone for plagiarism, and these things are still a little harder to ignore.

The fact is that the forum is not doing very well in the sense that its base of quality members is increasing and that the intention is to try to keep everyone, even if they break the rules. Plagiarism is still a violation of the rules, but apparently we should no longer expect such severe punishments as before.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

If you see copy/paste without reference link, feel free to report. Just make sure to provide the evidence for your claim.

If copy and pasting 5 or 10 posts, without reference link, is safe, no ban in any kind. Reports are wasting time.

Rule in those topics should be updated too.

[Rikafip]

If copy and pasting 5 or 10 posts, without reference link, is safe, no ban in any kind. Reports are wasting time.

I have to agree that given the current situation, reporting plagiarism is the utter waste of time and judging by lack of activity in the Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed topic, members are slowly realizing that. 

Somehow we went from people getting perma banned for copy/pasting one sentence few years ago while Newbie/Jr members (which was definitely overkill)  to allowing copy/paste on the mass scale without any consequences whatsoever. Some middle ground is definitely needed here.

[Lucius]

I kinda agree with that more lenient and forgiving approach (if that's the case) by not giving perma ban immediately, but we sometimes see no action taken whatsoever, not even a signature ban (which should be minimum imho) and I think that's not the smartest approach, regardless of the fact that amount of actives users is constantly decreasing.

I think that everything is quite clear for everyone who thinks a little better, as well as that nothing will change because some members of the forum are not satisfied with the way some things are going. The forum is completely private and depends on the decision of one person who obviously has no need to comment on the current situation when it comes to plagiarism. If we are honest, there are much more serious things on the forum that are not moderated, and I would not be surprised if plagiarism becomes one of those things.

The campaign signature rule "5 merits in last 120 days" could be supplemented with the rule "no plagiarism in the last 120 days".

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The campaign signature rule "5 merits in last 120 days" could be supplemented with the rule "no plagiarism in the last 120 days".

Then who will be responsible for checking participants' posts in the last 120 days without plagiarism? I think it will take a while to go through each participant that will be accepted, but the bottom line is still good for the forum.

Plagiarism will still be handled by the moderator on a case by case basis and will continue to be carried out. I don't think that has changed although on several occasions it has started to be questioned due to slightly reduced handling. Even without plagiarism in the last 120 days, campaign participants can still be removed from the campaign if they are banned for committing plagiarism while in the campaign.

[Rikafip]

Then who will be responsible for checking participants' posts in the last 120 days without plagiarism? I think it will take a while to go through each participant that will be accepted, but the bottom line is still good for the forum.

I don't that Lucius was serious when he suggested that as a signature campaign requirement. Then again, looking at how situation is developing, maybe we see that in not so distant future.

[hugeblack]

All the arguments on which the porridge is based are controversial and have not been confirmed, so I do not think that we can judge the conclusions received and therefore we must take into account that the process is done manually and that each case is different from the other.

Personally, I do not see a person who spent more than a year doing plagiarism because it means that all his efforts have become zero, so most of those who do this are beginners.