What's up with Covid and Bitcoiners?

[NotATether]

You don't actually believe all that garbage, do you?

Which part do you deny exactly? That we're experiencing bureaucratic dictatorship? That things will get worse? That there's such agenda?

The whole agenda thing. Politicans are not exactly known for agreeing with each other (let alone cooperating).

It just makes InfoWars alarm bells go off in my head.

[BlackHatCoiner]

The whole agenda thing. Politicans are not exactly known for agreeing with each other (let alone cooperating).

If you think it's a conspiracy theory (which I presume is what you think with the "InfoWars" reference), let me tell you that they (the aristocrats at WEF) call it an agenda themselves:

The Great Reset agenda would have three main components. [...]

The third component of a Great Reset agenda is to "harness the innovations of the Fourth Industrial Revolution" for the public good.

No room to question that part.

What else don't you agree with? That they want absolute surveillance? That they want to reduce energy usage? That, during the pandemic, they misrepresented everything? That there was systemic cunning propaganda? The Standford prison and Milgram experiments comparison? That civilians were segregated according to their obedience (and who'll soon be even more separated with social credit scores)? That there's an elite group that rules politicians? Pick something from the garbage can. 

[1miau]

I'm a little late to the party, but I finally get it now.

He's talking like he's knowing everything about virology, medical research and so on but what's his profession exactly, virologist? 

He actually doesn't. I've never seen him talking about the vaccine's efficiency, which is what a virologist should be doing. What he does do is analyze certain distortions that were proved they played a key role in the world of health, the legal consequences of mandatory vaccination, and generally the whole systemic propaganda that was launched and that had a terrorist character.

And that’s DerGigi's big problem. DerGigi's statements are done without any background knowledge of the actual issue, he’s commenting on.
The Anti-Vaxxers have one thing in common: they are talking a lot and very loud, but they are usually from a different profession or coming from different branches of medicine, like Bodo Schiffman from Germany, he’s specialist for dizziness attacks. DerGigi isn’t even involved in health issues...

So, how can he say that Covid19 is just an overhyped flu when he hasn’t done any studied research or isn’t capable of reviewing studies? His statements are based on the wrong ground, therefore he’s advocating that restrictions are "dictatorship" when he’s saying, Corona would be just a normal flu. Heck, obviously he doesn’t even look at the excess mortality we had in Europe, when Covid hit us in March / April 2020.
He’s saying that vaccines don’t work and therefore everything saying otherwise is "systemic propaganda" for him. But he can’t review even the basic medical studies because he’s a Bitcoiner.  DerGigi is caught in his conspiracy bubble.

= He can’t judge the outcome properly (measures to prevent Corona / vaccinations), when his basic assumptions are wrong already because he’s not capable to do the appropriate research. And that’s why DerGigi's conclusion ("the whole systemic propaganda that was launched and that had a terrorist character" as you said) is completely wrong.
Of course, if the government doesn’t act against Corona, the conspiracy nuts will come up and say "the government is going to kill us all, Bill Gates has advocated for the reduction of the world population in the past, it‘s his Agenda and Klaus Schwaab agrees".

In Covid-19, just like in climate change now, it was demonstrated that in order to encounter the pandemic, draconian moderation must be justified, which is a common phenomenon in totalitarian regimes. Not only that, but the governments (which appear to be ruled like puppets from another group of modern-aristocrats) misrepresented reality; threat became incentive, punishment became paternalistic protection, deathly risk became solidarity duty.

And it makes sense now, because, incidentally, that's what the elitists' agenda is all about: https://nitter.it/wef/status/808328302213689344.

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And the agenda is indissolubly linked with the pandemic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset. They said it themselves that it's a response to it. Covid-19 must have been a meat and drink for what's about to begin, no doubt. Conformists have risen in scale, and any dissident's opinion is denied without question.

I’m with you that a single country can’t prevent climate change alone.
But we have to admit that human made climate change is real and the consequences will hit everyone very hard. Maybe not right now, but 20, 50 and 100 years ahead will get very difficult.
Since you are from Greece, you should have noticed the severe drought in France / Germany / Italy right now? There are statistics and there’s no doubt that climate change is happening. And it’s getting worse.
But it’s real and not some random "invention by Klaus Schwab" same as Corona is not "just a flu" like DerGigi claims it is.
It might be a bit different with Omikron right now as it was expected by experts, that the disease will become endemic and less harmful over time. It could still take some more years, which is especially risky for elderly people.
And no, I’m not a grandpa, I’m in my 20s and I’m not part of the risk group. But the numbers are there, we can’t deny it and just because some people on Twitter or BitChute with no special knowledge say "it’s just a flu" or "vaccines are „death jabs“", that doesn’t change the fact that Corona shouldn’t be underestimated and we should take appropriate measures against it.
Similar to climate change.

In Germany, the green party suggested a speed limit recently. The conspiracy nuts are saying, that will endanger our freedom.
Honestly, a speed limit will not endanger our freedom and wearing a mask doesn’t endanger our freedom as well. Wearing a seatbelt is also not a danger to our freedom.
But the other thing: is a speed limit really effective to against climate change? In my opinion, that’s not achieving much. But it’s also not harmful for our freedom. 

But of course, conspiracy nuts will come up with a special story again and say otherwise.
For our current drought they are also coming up with interesting stories. 

[BlackHatCoiner]

And that’s DerGigi's big problem. DerGigi's statements are done without any background knowledge of the actual issue, he’s commenting on.

I haven't seen any post he makes regarding vaccines, would you mind sharing a link? I don't say a word for vaccine's effectiveness, because I don't have any evidence to support my statement. I don't care about that anyway, I assume it's effective as some virologists say. That doesn't change my attitude on how they've found their way to step on your freedom. The agenda exists. The tendency to tyranny is here, and gets worse day by day. Misrepresentation has happened. Civilians' segregation has happened.

He’s saying that vaccines don’t work and therefore everything saying otherwise is "systemic propaganda" for him.

Whether vaccines work or not (which I can't honestly understand, some doctors argue they don't), there was, and is, systemic propaganda. If you don't agree, I can cross-reference you to article I read recently, as an example, from government owned newspaper, that had the character I've said, that is representing the risk as solidarity duty, ignoring possible side effects such vaccine can have for the entire population[1], therefore hiding part of the reality, hereby faking news.

But we have to admit that human made climate change is real and the consequences will hit everyone very hard.

I have never once supported it isn't real. What I'm saying is: The changes it'll bring are political, and that's why I don't bite most of the solutions they've proposed[2].

cryptosize knows best. When he's talking about these I was trying to figure out how bitcoin works. 

[1] https://www.constitutionalism.gr/to-kathikon-tou-emvoliasmou/
[2] Relevant link for Greek readers: https://theindependentresearchers.wordpress.com/2022/05/27/natural-assets/

[cryptosize]

they are usually from a different profession

Just like Bill Gates, right? 

When did he get his medical degree? 

[1miau]

And that’s DerGigi's big problem. DerGigi's statements are done without any background knowledge of the actual issue, he’s commenting on.

I haven't seen any post he makes regarding vaccines, would you mind sharing a link? I don't say a word for vaccine's effectiveness, because I don't have any evidence to support my statement.

Yes, I haven't seen him making posts about vaccine's effectiveness as well but my point was since he's making accusations about restrictions being too much, the vaccine being pushed too much, he's commenting on the assumption, that Corona would be "just a flu" and that restrictions / vaccinations wouldn't be beneficial.
That's why I said:

= He can’t judge the outcome properly (measures to prevent Corona / vaccinations), when his basic assumptions are wrong already because he’s not capable to do the appropriate research. And that’s why DerGigi's conclusion ("the whole systemic propaganda that was launched and that had a terrorist character" as you said) is completely wrong.

Of course, governments will launch a campaign to recommend vaccination because studies have shown it's beneficial.
Today, almost no restrictions are in place anymore in Germany, infections numbers are 20 times (!) higher than last summer and still only few restrictions like mask and test in hospitals to protect vulnerable groups, so I can't see "Agenda or tyranny".
There are misguided politicians yes, but as NotAThether said: politicians are very different on various issues. A society where you will agree to everything doesn't exist. And even when it's your neighbour doing bullshit and you don't agree with. 

If you are talking for China: yes, it's a different thing in China and we could describe it as "tyranny" indeed in China, when people's frontdoors are sealed by the CCP. And many more but things are very different between China and Japan, China and EU, China and US or China and (take whatever coutry you like (except North Korea)). 

But we have to admit that human made climate change is real and the consequences will hit everyone very hard.

I have never once supported it isn't real. What I'm saying is: The changes it'll bring are political, and that's why I don't bite most of the solutions they've proposed[2].

That's true, we should always discuss it what to do. Look, I'm a friend of a good steak and the greens / environmentalists want to reduce meat consumption to prevent climate change. 
Of course I'm not amused but meat production is causing lots of emissions. Of course, reducing meat production isn't "tyranny", to. 
There are always (dis) agreements and uncomfortable decisions to be made, always has been but that doesn't mean that there's some broad agenda to bring China-like communism everywhere.

they are usually from a different profession

Just like Bill Gates, right? 
When did he get his medical degree?

Exactly, therefore people should look at peer reviewed studies, excess mortality from Corona and what's happening at hospitals, where Corona-infections are treated. Ask these with experience, not Bill Gates and not DerGigi. 

[BlackHatCoiner]

A society where you will agree to everything doesn't exist.

No. That's why people protest, even though I've always wondered about the effectiveness of protesting overtime. Anyway, when things you don't approve of or don't like happen, you react. Sounds natural.

Of course, reducing meat production isn't "tyranny"

But, why is this not tyranny and China with sealed frontdoors is? In both cases, they essentially dictate the way you're living. That's what's happening with energy usage, and they portrait it like something good and ethical.

always has been but that doesn't mean that there's some broad agenda to bring China-like communism everywhere.

What's more communist than "Welcome to 2030, you have nothing, no privacy and life and has never been better"? This isn't told by some DerGigi-like "conspiracy quacks". It's tweeted by the folks who rule about the entire European Union as we speak?

Exactly, therefore people should look at peer reviewed studies, excess mortality from Corona and what's happening at hospitals, where Corona-infections are treated.

I'm eagerly trying to comprehend these statistics, but due to my complete irrelevance to virology and inability to make any conclusion, I don't and can't have an opinion. Plus, some doctors make these assertions, other doctors make other assertions, I honestly don't know what to believe.

[Techkoy407]

Since the beginning of the pandemic, I've noticed lots of people, including Bitcoiners, be against vaccines, quarantine, Covid in general. I follow some people here and there, for bitcoin related stuff, and dergigi is one whom I enjoy reading. Even he has written an article regarding what we're all going through these years, referring to it as "Tyranny".

What I don't understand, and I'm all ears, is the arguments. Why is it tyranny? And even if it is, how's supposed a society cope with a virus? Even if we assume it comes from a lab, isn't deadly, enriches vaccine companies and the like. It concerns me, because rational people whom I've learnt a lot from don't go quite well with this.

Not self-moderated; I suppose we keep things civil.

That's natural, because that's a form of their concern about COVID-19 or vaccines.
because this vaccine strikes suddenly, in an instant the world is shaken,
So it's not surprising that people panic or worry about vaccines, because they are afraid that things they don't want will happen.

[cryptosize]

Since the beginning of the pandemic, I've noticed lots of people, including Bitcoiners, be against vaccines, quarantine, Covid in general. I follow some people here and there, for bitcoin related stuff, and dergigi is one whom I enjoy reading. Even he has written an article regarding what we're all going through these years, referring to it as "Tyranny".

What I don't understand, and I'm all ears, is the arguments. Why is it tyranny? And even if it is, how's supposed a society cope with a virus? Even if we assume it comes from a lab, isn't deadly, enriches vaccine companies and the like. It concerns me, because rational people whom I've learnt a lot from don't go quite well with this.

Not self-moderated; I suppose we keep things civil.

That's natural, because that's a form of their concern about COVID-19 or vaccines.
because this vaccine strikes suddenly, in an instant the world is shaken,
So it's not surprising that people panic or worry about vaccines, because they are afraid that things they don't want will happen.

This gene therapy (not really a vaccine, there is no virus inside) is a time-ticking bomb...

[BADecker]

Since the beginning of the pandemic, I've noticed lots of people, including Bitcoiners, be against vaccines, quarantine, Covid in general. I follow some people here and there, for bitcoin related stuff, and dergigi is one whom I enjoy reading. Even he has written an article regarding what we're all going through these years, referring to it as "Tyranny".

What I don't understand, and I'm all ears, is the arguments. Why is it tyranny? And even if it is, how's supposed a society cope with a virus? Even if we assume it comes from a lab, isn't deadly, enriches vaccine companies and the like. It concerns me, because rational people whom I've learnt a lot from don't go quite well with this.

Not self-moderated; I suppose we keep things civil.

That's natural, because that's a form of their concern about COVID-19 or vaccines.
because this vaccine strikes suddenly, in an instant the world is shaken,
So it's not surprising that people panic or worry about vaccines, because they are afraid that things they don't want will happen.

This gene therapy (not really a vaccine, there is no virus inside) is a time-ticking bomb...

For the US...

But, is Bitcoin like this? Somebody invented a real Bitcoin physical coin. Government talked him into stopping production. So, he stopped, without fighting to court, even.

But he didn't have to stop. All he had to do, and all Bitcoin people have to do, is fork Bitcoin so that there is the proper Private Membership Association (PMA) statement right inside the fork client/core, and inside any bitcoin coins that are made from it.

What will this do? It will take it out of government regulation, because it is private. Every transaction is a private transaction. Government may try to regulate, but based on the Constitution, Amendments 1, 4 and 5 (and others), and 70+ Supreme Court cases, private is still private, even from government.

Consider the Contract Clause in the Constitution. I have bolded the parts that we are interested in::

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

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State, above, also means the United States.

If the fork is written up as a contract between the people who use the Bitcoin addresses, the whole thing is taken right out of the authority of government to regulate it. In fact, the reason why government hasn't regulated Bitcoin and the altcoins to be gone already, is because cryptocurrencies ARE private contracts, but without the contract wording written within them. Simply add the literal contract wording to the clients/cores, and they won't regulatable by the SEC any longer. Why? Because they are private contracts between the people.

[montaga]

...........is a time-ticking bomb...

Ticking slow, very slow. What will it be when its finished?
https://sensereceptornews.com/?p=13907

[cryptosize]

...........is a time-ticking bomb...

Ticking slow, very slow. What will it be when its finished?
https://sensereceptornews.com/?p=13907

That's nanotechnology at work.

[worldofcoins]

Since the beginning of the pandemic, I've noticed lots of people, including Bitcoiners, be against vaccines, quarantine, Covid in general. I follow some people here and there, for bitcoin related stuff, and dergigi is one whom I enjoy reading. Even he has written an article regarding what we're all going through these years, referring to it as "Tyranny".

What I don't understand, and I'm all ears, is the arguments. Why is it tyranny? And even if it is, how's supposed a society cope with a virus? Even if we assume it comes from a lab, isn't deadly, enriches vaccine companies and the like. It concerns me, because rational people whom I've learnt a lot from don't go quite well with this.

Not self-moderated; I suppose we keep things civil.

There can be a long debate on this, but in precise words, all have their own opinion and thinking about anything, and we cannot force anyone to change their views on our thoughts and willingness. However, keep yourself vigilant with the requirements and need of time.