Campaign to improve posting quality for local boards

[Etranger]

I believe that the goal of this campaign and the efforts of moderators can be put together. It will be more beneficial for the main goal, which is keeping the forum an interesting, cognitive place. The job of moderators is not only just deleting bad posts, but also reminding, explaining and warning users about potential deleting. This way users can learn and understand for what their posts were deleted.

Also, when users raise the bar for each other and for themselves, the overall picture becomes much better. This campaign gives forum members some recommendations, sometimes hints how to improve their posts and how by doing this the general atmosphere on the forum will become more conducive.

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[GazetaBitcoin]

Most of the  local boards have dedicated moderators who evaluate   published posts and delete those ones that have  the vicious style and/or dull/irrelevant content.

For instance, Russian board has two high-skilled mods who perfectly    cope with their duties including that ones which are relevant to improving posting quality

I also share the idea expressed by 1miau above. We are not moderators and users which translated (and propagated) this campaign are also not moderators. We simply tried to improve, somehow, the overall posting quality in local boards. So it's not about a moderator being good at his job and deleting posts of zero value, but about users themselves, which can improve theor writing quality.

Looks like I've totally missed that part...
I've just sent a PM to roksana.hee and Latviand and asked them to give us a quick update here about these translations.

Thank you, 1miau! Let's hope they will respond and come back with some good news!

[satscraper]

Improving posts quality in Local boards requires, in my opinion, some users from those local boards, who are able to check if this improving is really happening, based on the recommendations proposed by 1miau and Gazetabitcoin.

Good point. After some time, Hatchy could provide insight about all the achievements of the campaign. There might be members doing a good job, learning a lot from that campaign and these improvements should be honored in my opinion. Of course, any local board member is invited to write a summary, if the goals of the campaign are met, as well.  

“plurality should not be posited without necessity.”

Most of the  local boards have dedicated moderators who evaluate   published posts and delete those ones that have  the vicious style and/or dull/irrelevant content.

For instance, Russian board has two high-skilled mods who perfectly    cope with their duties including that ones which are relevant to improving posting quality .

It seems you have misunderstood the entire goal of our campaign. Our campaign is dedicated to create awareness for every community member to put effort into their posts. That way, moderators will also have less work to delete shitposts if there are less shitposts in general.
The entire intention of our campaign is to be a community campaign, not a moderator campaign.

Our campaign is intended to be beneficial for the forum because no one wants to read uninteresting, generic shitposts. There will be less traffic on Bitcointalk and less readers because no one wants to read shitposts. Just visit some spam megathreads in our Gambling section, the shitposts are very generic there and it's a waste of time to read.
That's why we should create quality posts and our campaign is creating awareness for this.


Hatchy explained that very well above, too.  

Yeah, you are correct.

I not only have misunderstood but also didn't  understand all the way through how campaign which has introduced neither  metric nor benchmark-assessment-tool to evaluate  quality  of posting in  local boards would prevent "uninteresting, generic shitposts".

Please, explain and give results of your campaign that lasts a fair long time with an eye on getting those results.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Please, explain and give results of your campaign that lasts a fair long time with an eye on getting those results.

Perhaps these two posts will bring you some answers: link 1, link 2. Besides, read among first posts of the forum and look at those supporting the campaign. Furthermore, at the bottom of OP you can also see some more support for this campaign. I know, it's not pure statistics to say so, but it's almost impossible to quantify results by math...

I hope this helps.

[Casdinyard]

Honestly a smart way to incentivize constructive content in the local boards. I've been in my local board (the Philippines) every now and again and I must say, it's either we get shitposts in there or it's as barren as the Gobi Desert cause we can't make good content that doesn't look like it's copy pasted from somewhere else in the forum.

Having a new ward/translator for the Filipino Local Board—and more so someone I can trust for that matter since Latviand's one of the rising content posters in this forum at least for me is a good thing and could definitely cascade content towards the local boards once again. Although I don't expect it to be that much since most campaigns in this forum are still not eager about paying people to talk in their native tongue, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but is certainly another cause as to why people just don't visit the local boards anymore. We're at the cusp of ushering in a new age of content posters here in the forum that's more on the constructive "quality" aspect rather than the spammy "quantity" kind that does all of this for the sole intent of meeting their post quotas in their respective signature campaigns. I'd observe this with great interest and would like to offer my helping hand as well in improving content for my respective local board OP.

[1miau]

I not only have misunderstood but also didn't  understand all the way through how campaign which has introduced neither  metric nor benchmark-assessment-tool to evaluate  quality  of posting in  local boards would prevent "uninteresting, generic shitposts".

Precise statistics will be hard to get because I'm not sure how to measure this.
Some improvements are described very well in the links given by GazetaBitcoin.
After all, it's more of a "soft" improvement, where we can't generate statistics from. It's more like when we are visiting one of the technical boards and then, we go to the Gambling section. Everyone will agree that the average post on Gambling is much lower quality compared to our technical boards.
This example is a very exaggerated one, of course.
Or when we look at the shitcoin ICO era 2017 / 2018 compared to now. Now, it's much better, we have definitely less shitposting.  

Please, explain and give results of your campaign that lasts a fair long time with an eye on getting those results.

What GazetaBitcoin linked above is a good start to read a summary.
Probably we'll see more local board members showing up here describing any progress (like from Nigerian local board).

Having a new ward/translator for the Filipino Local Board—and more so someone I can trust for that matter since Latviand's one of the rising content posters in this forum at least for me is a good thing and could definitely cascade content towards the local boards once again. Although I don't expect it to be that much since most campaigns in this forum are still not eager about paying people to talk in their native tongue, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but is certainly another cause as to why people just don't visit the local boards anymore. We're at the cusp of ushering in a new age of content posters here in the forum that's more on the constructive "quality" aspect rather than the spammy "quantity" kind that does all of this for the sole intent of meeting their post quotas in their respective signature campaigns. I'd observe this with great interest and would like to offer my helping hand as well in improving content for my respective local board OP.

If you want, you can also PM Latviand and do it together or in case Latviand doesn't have time, you could do it for him.
I wouldn't mind.  

[GazetaBitcoin]

Having a new ward/translator for the Filipino Local Board—and more so someone I can trust for that matter since Latviand's one of the rising content posters in this forum at least for me is a good thing and could definitely cascade content towards the local boards once again. [...] I'd observe this with great interest and would like to offer my helping hand as well in improving content for my respective local board OP.

If you want, you can also PM Latviand and do it together or in case Latviand doesn't have time, you could do it for him.
I wouldn't mind. 

I would not mind either. Perhaps Casdinyard can easier get in touch with Latviand and maybe they can collaborate together on this translation. After all, it matters to see more interest in our campaign. At same time, when 2 people work together there are higher chance for a more productive / positive outcome than working alone. So perhaps Casdinyard could bring a good contribution here, by searching also for resources in that language.

Besides that, I assume Latviand did not reply yet to 1miau's PM. Did you have any sign from roksana.hee, at least?

[1miau]

Besides that, I assume Latviand did not reply yet to 1miau's PM.

I have not received any reply from Latviand yet but maybe he'll leave a comment here as requested in my PM.

Did you have any sign from roksana.hee, at least?

I have received a reply from roksana.hee today via PM and roksana.hee told me she really tried but did not get any sufficient results. In my opinion it's fine because it's a really difficult task and a honest move to do such a review and leave the opportunity for someone else.
So, roksana.hee won't do any translation and I've edited my list in my OP accordingly. 

[Latviand]

A little update or a big one depends on who's reading, I would be rescinding my reservation for the translation, something came up with my irl work and I can't focus with forum stuff anymore, the career shift coincided with me getting removed from a long term campaign so I'll be giving that translation opportunity to someone that's got the talent and the time, I'm sorry for a long inconvenience, I feel bad backing out on this. 

[GazetaBitcoin]

A little update or a big one depends on who's reading, I would be rescinding my reservation for the translation, something came up with my irl work and I can't focus with forum stuff anymore

It's okay Latviand, don't feel bad. Real life has much more priority for any of us. Take care of what you need to do and don't feel bad for abandoning this translation. At least it's good we know that we can update the OP accordingly.

So, roksana.hee won't do any translation and I've edited my list in my OP accordingly. 

Thank you for the news, 1miau. It's good we have some light about these translations which were reserved a long time ago. Now we also have an update from Latviand. As a consequence, both reservations can be removed from OP.

[1miau]

A little update or a big one depends on who's reading, I would be rescinding my reservation for the translation, something came up with my irl work and I can't focus with forum stuff anymore, the career shift coincided with me getting removed from a long term campaign so I'll be giving that translation opportunity to someone that's got the talent and the time, I'm sorry for a long inconvenience, I feel bad backing out on this. 

No need to feel bad. I'm sure you've tried it and it's really a difficult task.
We appreciate your effort very much to have looked into it.

Good luck for your career shift as well, of course. 

So, roksana.hee won't do any translation and I've edited my list in my OP accordingly. 

As a consequence, both reservations can be removed from OP.

I've removed roksana.hee's reservation already yesterday, Latviand's translation reservation is now removed as well.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Learn Bitcoin came with some good news:

Campaign to improve posting quality for local boards^{READ BEFORE TRANSLATING!!!} by 1miau: Learn Bitcoin

Hi Porfirii and GB,
The translation of this topic has been done today. So, you could add it now: পোস্ট কোয়ালিটি ভালো করার ক্যাম্পেইন

It's still work in progress, as far as I understand, since LB asked his community members to come up also with ideas for improving posts quality and he will add later such ideas to his post. However, the translation is made and he pointed some good things there for obtaining more quality inside his local board. I take this opportunity to congratulate him for doing this translation, which is not an easy one. Thank you LB!


1miau, please be aware that cygan also made a translation of this topic and I take this opportunity to thank him as well! It is great to see more users involving in the common effort of improving posts quality!

1miau, are you so kind, please, to update OP with these 2 translations?

[1miau]

Learn Bitcoin came with some good news:
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Nice to see we have 2 more translations available.  
Shootout to @Learn Bitcoin and @cygan for your contributions!

1miau, are you so kind, please, to update OP with these 2 translations?

OP is updated and all recently published translations are added.

And when we are at it, I've added a short explanation of "What's Denglish?" because sometimes, it's resulting in confusion:

"Unnecessary Denglish" is an unnecessary and excessive mixing of English + our native language or even laziness where the whole word is not translated in our native language, even if there's a common translation available.
So, to avoid "unnecessary Denglish", we should always evaluate if there's a common and (relatively widely accepted) native word available in our language.
When there's no common word available in our language (like "Blockchain" (probably, it's different for each language)), then it's not "unnecessary Denglish" (due to a lack of common word for that in our native language).
If there's a common native word available in our native language, this native word should be applied instead of "Denglish", if not applied it's "unnecessary Denglish".


And important point, maybe @Learn Bitcoin can still add the commonly recognized rules as cygan did below his topic.
Would be enough to edit the post and add it below a horizontal rule.  

[Learn Bitcoin]

It's still work in progress, as far as I understand, since LB asked his community members to come up also with ideas for improving posts quality and he will add later such ideas to his post. However, the translation is made and he pointed some good things there for obtaining more quality inside his local board. I take this opportunity to congratulate him for doing this translation, which is not an easy one. Thank you LB!

Thank you very much, dear GazetaBitcoin.
Yes, I have asked my community to share how we could improve our post quality. If they have any different ideas, I will add them to the OP. Each local board may have unique problems, and we had some unique problems too. Our locals used to mention users unnecessarily which is too bad. They are experts in copy-pasting as well. I have added those points as well.

Nice to see we have 2 more translations available. 
Shootout to @Learn Bitcoin and @cygan for your contributions!
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And important point, maybe @Learn Bitcoin can still add the commonly recognized rules as cygan did below his topic.
Would be enough to edit the post and add it below a horizontal rule. 

Thank you 1miau. Yeah, I have edited my post and added the commonly recognized rules. Thanks again.

[uchegod-21]

Each local board may have unique problems,

This is a good statement. Every local board have their unique problems, sometimes these problems are related to the other and all points to low quality discussion. Since each local board has their unique problems, I believe there are also unique solutions to the locals problems. 1maiu is one of the user I have seen in our local board who came to encourage quality posters in the local board i.e Nigerian local board. I sincerely appreciate his commitment to ensuring quality discussion in BTT even by extending to my local board.

[Learn Bitcoin]

This is a good statement. Every local board have their unique problems, sometimes these problems are related to the other and all points to low quality discussion. Since each local board has their unique problems, I believe there are also unique solutions to the locals problems.

Yes. Our thread has some problems too which I mentioned in a couple of threads before. Whenever people see a member from Bangladesh, they think either it's an alt account or a bounty cheater. There are several reasons behind it. Some members were caught cheating in the campaign. Almost 40% of bounty hunters are from Bangladesh and when they discover things like AI, they start to use it without understanding anything. Bangladeshi people who do bounty aren't well in English. Otherwise, they would start contributing to the global boards as well.

The main problem was copy-pasting the news and merit abuse in our thread. A lot of members leave the local thread once they rank up. I am glad that I was the person who alone threatened 12 members in a single post and then suddenly the abuse stopped in our thread. Some of them already left our thread because they have achieved what they wanted. They just used our local community and fooled us.

The abuse is still going on in some mega threads. They send merits to their alts in mega threads where no one notices. I wish someone like Lauda came up and left red tag everywhere. Only then those fu*ckers would stop.

[Porfirii]

Please, 1miau, add the Spanish translation I've just posted in my local board to the list of available translations in your OP: Campaña para la mejora de los posts en las secciones locales.

I have taken my time to translate it, but I wanted to do it when I had enough time and motivation to do it as well as it deserves.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Great job Porf! I am more than glad to see another translation to our campaign, thus it becomes more and more popular around the forum. Spanish is the seventh language in which this campaign is made popular and, slowly, maybe it will advance to other local boards as well.

Of course, determination for making quality posts is necessary from all users but, at least, some of them have this topic translated and adapted in their language, thus it will be easier to follow some guidelines.

[1miau]

Hello, dear Porfirii  

Please, 1miau, add the Spanish translation I've just posted in my local board to the list of available translations in your OP: Campaña para la mejora de los posts en las secciones locales.

Of course, I've edited my OP and your translation is included now.
But maybe you can also add the commonly recognized rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413997.msg60961331#msg60961331) as it's in GazetaBitcoin's topic and in my original topic as well (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413997.msg60961331#msg60961331)

It's not available in English currently, maybe it's time that I'll include it in my OP as well.
Edit, it's now included as well in my OP, below my main text in my OP, above of "translations".

I have taken my time to translate it, but I wanted to do it when I had enough time and motivation to do it as well as it deserves.

As usual: no hurry of course. It's always a good idea to take some time for a translation, do it properly and it's no problem at all if it's taking a little bit longer.  

[Porfirii]

Hello, dear Porfirii  

Please, 1miau, add the Spanish translation I've just posted in my local board to the list of available translations in your OP: Campaña para la mejora de los posts en las secciones locales.

Of course, I've edited my OP and your translation is included now.
But maybe you can also add the commonly recognized rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413997.msg60961331#msg60961331) as it's in GazetaBitcoin's topic and in my original topic as well (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413997.msg60961331#msg60961331)

It's not available in English currently, maybe it's time that I'll include it in my OP as well.
Edit, it's now included as well in my OP, below my main text in my OP, above of "translations".

Done!

I have taken my time to translate it, but I wanted to do it when I had enough time and motivation to do it as well as it deserves.

As usual: no hurry of course. It's always a good idea to take some time for a translation, do it properly and it's no problem at all if it's taking a little bit longer.  

The rush is not good although I usually translate very fast.

It's just that, in cases like this one in which the task is not limited to translating only, but requires some more creativity instead, I like to take my time to slowly ripen ideas.