Campaign to improve posting quality for local boards

[GazetaBitcoin]

Hey Hatchy! Chilwell did not say that he is not doing the translation anymore. I believe it's best if you discuss with him about it.

However, the question remains, even if he steps down and you come up: do you think that you isolated some serious issues in your local board, which can be improved by translating this thread? If you isolated problems in your local board, then did you also find resources in your languages which address those problems? If there are no such resources already written, did you think about writing a topic addressing the existent issues from your local board?


@1miau: I'd suggest to update the application code sequence, thus it will be even more clear for applicants that this translation is not a regular one. At th moment, the application looks like this:

Code:

I would like to reserve my local language and post a translation in my local board
#Proof of JOIN
Language: 
Bitcointalk Account:

Perhaps we could add something like this:

Code:

I would like to reserve my local language and post a translation in my [name local board here].
I noticed the following issues inside this local board, which can be improved by translating this topic: issue 1, issue 2, issue 3 etc.
I have the following resources which I'll include in the translation and which address the problems from my local board: resource 1, resource 2, resource 3 etc.
(N.b. -- last sentence can look also like this: I did not find any existent topics which address the issues from my local board, but I will write a topic addressing these problems -- in this case the new topic should be ready before the translation is done.)
#Proof of JOIN
Language: 
Bitcointalk Account:

What do you think?

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[1miau]

With your permission I will like to translate this topic to my local board naija "pidgin language". Thank you.

Hello  

Sorry, I've missed your post yesterday...
Of course, you can try to bring our topic to your local board but as already explained by GazetaBitcoin, it's not a normal translation. You need to customize it for your local board:
- Evaluate if the points mentioned in other local board translations also apply for your local board or if there might be changes needed (you can use Google translate to get a meaning of our Romanian or German local board version)
- Bring up unique points for your local board, where you believe, an improvement needs to be made.
- Link other topics in your translation, where advice to improve posting quality is given.
- ...

Here are also some more advices:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62762338#msg62762338
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62762854#msg62762854
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62721105#msg62721105
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62717804#msg62717804

If you still would like to give it a try, I can reserve a translation for your local board.  

I would like to reserve my local language and post a translation in my local board
#Proof of JOIN
Language:pidgin
Bitcointalk Account:Hatchy

If Chilwell doesn't want to do it, I can come back to you.
But for now, like GazetaBitcoin pointed out already, Chilwell is first in line.

and I wonder how he intends on finishing all these translations by himself. There isn't supposed to be any competition when it comes to translation.

We will find a solution and check if it's a quality translation, of course.
In addition, there are hundreds of interesting topics here on Bitcointalk, where you could provide a translation to bring helpful content to your local board. 

@1miau: I'd suggest to update the application code sequence, thus it will be even more clear for applicants that this translation is not a regular one. At th moment, the application looks like this:



Perhaps we could add something like this:

Code:

I would like to reserve my local language and post a translation in my [name local board here].
I noticed the following issues inside this local board, which can be improved by translating this topic: issue 1, issue 2, issue 3 etc.
I have the following resources which I'll include in the translation and which address the problems from my local board: resource 1, resource 2, resource 3 etc.
(N.b. -- last sentence can look also like this: I did not find any existent topics which address the issues from my local board, but I will write a topic addressing these problems -- in this case the new topic should be ready before the translation is done.)
#Proof of JOIN
Language: 
Bitcointalk Account:

What do you think?

It's a great idea. I've added some more lines, see OP.  

[Chilwell]

If you still would like to give it a try, I can reserve a translation for your local board.  Smiley

Reserve it for me, I will give it a trial, but do me a favour if their is anything I need in the process l will let you know for more guide.

[1miau]

If you still would like to give it a try, I can reserve a translation for your local board.  Smiley

Reserve it for me, I will give it a trial, but do me a favour if their is anything I need in the process l will let you know for more guide.

You can also do it together with Hatchy, if you want. Maybe there are multiple ideas, how to improve posting quality for your local board or you can simply co-sponsor it, like GazetaBitcoin did for my German topic.
Or Hatch could do a proofreading as well. 

In case of any question, feel free to ask here. 

[GazetaBitcoin]

It's a great idea. I've added some more lines, see OP. 

Looks great! Thumb up!

I also have one more suggestion: I believe it would be more adequate to change "Pakistan" with "Urdu" in these sequences:

Pakistan by HONDACD125

Pakistan - HONDACD125

And I'd also like to remind roksana.hee and Latviand that they reserved this translation a long while ago. roksana.hee stated on August 30th that she'll revise her translation, as the first attempt was poor. roksana.hee, do you have any update about the translation?

Latviand, on the other side, reserved on August 24th the Filipino translation, via PM. 1miau, do you think you can ask him through a PM for a heads-up about his progress? It's been almost 3 months since then.

No pressure here, I am just curious of these translations are still in plan or they were abandoned.

[Nechiequ]

Providing a good posting quality is essential to keep Bitcointalk’s role as an important source of Bitcoin-related content, with hopefully some new people signing up here and of course, established members staying active and not leaving Bitcointalk.

Since Merit is not limited to prevent spammers from joining Bounty Campaigns, Merit was also introduced to encourage more interesting content and Merit Sources are advised to facilitate and reward good content, while discouraging bad, uninteresting or flawed posts such like Shitposts.

I’ve tried to incentivize a good posting quality in our German local board by my 1miau Merit criteria, where I’ve outlined points resulting in Merits and points making it much less likely to receive some Merits.

Some examples:


Merit Contributions (translated)

Anti-Merit-Offenses (translated)

Please allow @1miau, let me summarize a little, hopefully it can be useful...

Providing QUALITY POSTS is essential to maintain Bitcointalk as a source of Bitcoin-related content and to prevent spammers from joining bounty campaigns.

   Merit was introduced to encourage more engaging content and to reward quality posts.
Example: Criteria that can earn Merit include presenting interesting guides, tutorials, or in-depth topics, providing helpful comments, dividing articles into meaningful sections, avoiding spam, and avoiding violations such as excessive advertising or spreading fake news.

  Violations that may reduce your chances of earning Merit include unnecessary use of mixed language, spreading fake news, spam, and inferior posts.
A campaign has been held to raise awareness about how to write quality posts and encourage members to avoid useless posts. One of the goals is to avoid unnecessary mixed language and ensure quality posts.

   This campaign aims to improve the quality of posts on the forum (Bitcointalk) in the hope that members will focus more on the goal of making useful contributions.

[Etranger]

Providing QUALITY POSTS is essential to maintain Bitcointalk as a source of Bitcoin-related content and to prevent spammers from joining bounty campaigns.

I wouldn't make such an accent on bounty campaigns. Spammers create problems even when they don't wear any signatures. Not everything and everyone here on the forum care s much about signature campaigns, actually. Of course, the later could provoke more spam and shit content, however, in my opinion 1miau didn't mean that bounties are the main problem and the key reason why he created this thread. It is more about conscious behaviour here on bitcointalk and preventing deeds that destroy forum and its community step by step.

[Zoomic]

Providing QUALITY POSTS is essential to maintain Bitcointalk as a source of Bitcoin-related content and to prevent spammers from joining bounty campaigns.

I wouldn't make such an accent on bounty campaigns. Spammers create problems even when they don't wear any signatures. Not everything and everyone here on the forum care s much about signature campaigns, actually. Of course, the later could provoke more spam and shit content, however, in my opinion 1miau didn't mean that bounties are the main problem and the key reason why he created this thread. It is more about conscious behaviour here on bitcointalk and preventing deeds that destroy forum and its community step by step.

I have noticed one thing about quality of posts made here in the forum. There's a very nice tool that will enable anyone to constantly produce quality posts in the forum and that is "being conscious of quality always".
Whenever anyone opens their computer to make a post in the forum, if they are quality conscious, there's a very big tendency that the person will produce quality. Quality has nothing much to do with signature campaign. I good poster will always be good whether or not they are wearing paid signature. A poor poster will only try to improve their post quality in order to decieve a campaign manager to hire them, but as time goes , their post quality will deteriorate.

So, for the benefit of the forum, it is important to have users develop a good posting habit.

[Etranger]

I have noticed one thing about quality of posts made here in the forum. There's a very nice tool that will enable anyone to constantly produce quality posts in the forum and that is "being conscious of quality always".
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Honestly, I am not sure that this is even possible. First of all, we cannot talk about "quality" as something common and understood for everybody the same way. Every person would put his own meaning in this term. For some users a good and appropriate joke would be considered as quality post, for others such a title would apply only to sharing some new, authentic and widespread useful information. That is a very serious issue, as for me. Because many forum member, especially those who try to improve quality of posting here not just for themselves, but also for other members as well, usually give explanation, what they mean by quality. For example, 1miau did so, and I think it is the right thing to do, because without this criteria it would be impossible to really understand what someone is thinking about while talking about improving posting quality.

The second thing I would like to pay your attention to is that not all of user`s post will be the same quality. We are all people, and a lot of things affect the way we think and write. But the general posting history could be more or less qualified, I agree with that. And the main task for us as forum members is to make the whole picture of our positing quality, useful and interesting for ourselves and the others. But concentration on every single post wouldn't help a lot, in my opinion, because it would feel like a lot of pressure and could kill the motivation to continue writing.

[Hatchy]

Hello @ 1miau, Gazetabitcoin and other co sponsors of this campaign. I'm pleased to announce that I have finally finished my translated version of the campaign to my Localboard. After months of research, i came across somany discussions on my local board and found some important thread created by some of our amazing members. I have now been able to conclude my research and finish my translation of this campaign.
Here's is the link to it in my local board :Campaign to improve posting quality for local boards.

Although, not everyone would understand the significance of this campaign and since posting just few person had viewed or gone through it but still no reply on how important it is for creating quality post. I still recommend and applaud this wonderful effort I've put together with the idea originally created by 1miau. I learnt a lot about my local language and more ways to put it down in written form. I also want to make reference to @ chilwell for giving me the go ahead to carry out this research and translate it to my Localboard( he was the first to ask for a reserve). I hope this campaign does go a long way and plays it's part in creating good quality posts in Localboards.

[Etranger]

I hope this campaign does go a long way and plays it's part in creating good quality posts in Localboards.

This line of yours made me think about one issue considering this initiative. Maybe I missed this being discussed somewhere, however, I don't recall this, even though I followed the updates in this topic. Improving posts quality in Local boards requires, in my opinion, some users from those local boards, who are able to check if this improving is really happening, based on the recommendations proposed by 1miau and Gazetabitcoin. Hence this users must be someone whom OPs trust. I assume some of such users are those who made translations, but they cannot do all the job, I think, because it is too much for them. But there has to be some kind of a feedback to understand and analyse how this campaign influence the local forum community.

[1miau]

Here's is the link to it in my local board :Campaign to improve posting quality for local boards.

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We appreciate your effort very much, dear Hatchy.  
And I'm sure it'll be a successful campaign because after spending some time reading posts in your local board, your local community members are very nice and always trying to improve posting quality that our local Nigerian board will soon be a place of interesting posts, where readers like to spend time, like to write and read more quality content and new members are attracted because even normal Nigerian internet people might visit Bitcointalk due to Google search results. Helpful content will increase Bitcointalk's relevance from Google search, which is a considerable factor.

Your translation is added now:

Nigeria (Naija) by Hatchy

Improving posts quality in Local boards requires, in my opinion, some users from those local boards, who are able to check if this improving is really happening, based on the recommendations proposed by 1miau and Gazetabitcoin.

Good point. After some time, Hatchy could provide insight about all the achievements of the campaign. There might be members doing a good job, learning a lot from that campaign and these improvements should be honored in my opinion. Of course, any local board member is invited to write a summary, if the goals of the campaign are met, as well.  

[Majestic-milf]

So, for the benefit of the forum, it is important to have users develop a good posting habit.

That's what we are talking about. The thing is @1miau won't have bothered to create this thread if everyone here put effort in their posts, don't you think? Since all fingers aren't equal, there's the tendency to see perfection in some, and others struggling.  Everyone has his/her different yardstick for measuring a quality post and of course everyone wants to fit in that category of being a quality poster but you can agree with me that some don't bother trying.

 It's sad that most users are so eager to make their first post in the forum that they miss out some salient points on how a good post should be made and it's worse in the local boards. At least I've seen a lot to tide me over in my local board.
 

[GazetaBitcoin]

Hello @ 1miau, Gazetabitcoin and other co sponsors of this campaign. I'm pleased to announce that I have finally finished my translated version of the campaign to my Localboard.

Great job, Hatchy! It's great that you found resources in your language to add to the translation. This translation is not an easy one, as only 2 other users managed to do it until now (excepting 1miau and me).

Your translation is added now:

Nigeria (Naija) by Hatchy

1miau, please don't forget to add the translation also to the botton of OP -- there's also a list of translations (unless you plan to delete it )


And one more kind request at 1miau, about this part:

And I'd also like to remind roksana.hee and Latviand that they reserved this translation a long while ago. roksana.hee stated on August 30th that she'll revise her translation, as the first attempt was poor. roksana.hee, do you have any update about the translation?

Latviand, on the other side, reserved on August 24th the Filipino translation, via PM. 1miau, do you think you can ask him through a PM for a heads-up about his progress? It's been almost 3 months since then.

No pressure here, I am just curious of these translations are still in plan or they were abandoned.

I wanted to kindly ask you to not forget to contact Latviand and, maybe roksana.hee as well, since it seems she did not see her name metioned here.

[1000x]

Came back to Bitcointalk LONG after this thread was started and its even worse, threads are full of AI generated replies from sig spammers. This board is now pretty much worthless it seems. Maybe its better in some areas of the forum than in others.
 
With theymos having 1000000s of Bitcoins still from the early days why not stop this insane sig spam thats ruining this forum? At least have some forum areas where no sigs are shown so then normal people will discuss normal stuff not this nonsense AI spam and merrit farming it seems like the fucking Nazis could not have come up with a worse system to brainwash everyone with a little carrot in front of their head at all times. With no free discussion here. Maybe should start going back to irc where it was not just constant SPAM lie its here in almost every single post

[1miau]

1miau, please don't forget to add the translation also to the botton of OP -- there's also a list of translations (unless you plan to delete it )

Done. 

And one more kind request at 1miau, about this part:

And I'd also like to remind roksana.hee and Latviand that they reserved this translation a long while ago. roksana.hee stated on August 30th that she'll revise her translation, as the first attempt was poor. roksana.hee, do you have any update about the translation?

Latviand, on the other side, reserved on August 24th the Filipino translation, via PM. 1miau, do you think you can ask him through a PM for a heads-up about his progress? It's been almost 3 months since then.

No pressure here, I am just curious of these translations are still in plan or they were abandoned.

I wanted to kindly ask you to not forget to contact Latviand and, maybe roksana.hee as well, since it seems she did not see her name metioned here.

Looks like I've totally missed that part...
I've just sent a PM to roksana.hee and Latviand and asked them to give us a quick update here about these translations.
Both have been active today, so our chances for a quick reply are good. 

[Etranger]

Came back to Bitcointalk LONG after this thread was started and its even worse, threads are full of AI generated replies from sig spammers. This board is now pretty much worthless it seems. Maybe its better in some areas of the forum than in others.
 
With theymos having 1000000s of Bitcoins still from the early days why not stop this insane sig spam thats ruining this forum? At least have some forum areas where no sigs are shown so then normal people will discuss normal stuff not this nonsense AI spam and merrit farming it seems like the fucking Nazis could not have come up with a worse system to brainwash everyone with a little carrot in front of their head at all times. With no free discussion here. Maybe should start going back to irc where it was not just constant SPAM lie its here in almost every single post

Are you sure you still want to be back on the forum, being so convinced that there are nothing except for what you described? Maybe it is worth to spend some more time here and see that there are still good, interesting discussions with knowledgable members? Spammer can be met everywhere, not only here. Someone ignore them, someone make efforts like in this thread to teach them better. But apart from them, there are also other users.

[satscraper]

Improving posts quality in Local boards requires, in my opinion, some users from those local boards, who are able to check if this improving is really happening, based on the recommendations proposed by 1miau and Gazetabitcoin.

Good point. After some time, Hatchy could provide insight about all the achievements of the campaign. There might be members doing a good job, learning a lot from that campaign and these improvements should be honored in my opinion. Of course, any local board member is invited to write a summary, if the goals of the campaign are met, as well.  

“plurality should not be posited without necessity.”

Most of the  local boards have dedicated moderators who evaluate   published posts and delete those ones that have  the vicious style and/or dull/irrelevant content.

For instance, Russian board has two high-skilled mods who perfectly    cope with their duties including that ones which are relevant to improving posting quality .

[Hatchy]

Most of the  local boards have dedicated moderators who evaluate   published posts and delete those ones that have  the vicious style and/or dull/irrelevant content.

For instance, Russian board has two high-skilled mods who perfectly    cope with their duties including that ones which are relevant to improving posting quality .

To be honest, the campaign may not apply to every local board. As you mentioned, some local boards, like the German one, have active moderators who manage and clean up posts effectively. However, this isn't the case for all local boards. Take my local board, for example. Since we got the Naija Localboard in 2022, more Nigerians have joined, leading to an increase in both active members and low-quality posts.

Many members have discussed ways to reduce these posts and even reported them to global moderators, but without much success. We had taught of having our own moderator and an off-topic board to tackle the issue, but nothing has been granted. Additionally, quality posts often go unnoticed due to limited merit allocation to the only merit source we have @crytobrainboss.

Despite the challenges, this campaign is relevant to our local board and many others, as a constant reminder. This campaign could help improve post quality on BitcoinTalk, even in boards with sufficient moderators. It may be of interest to such moderators to know that it's members are of good quality posting and probably reducing the amount of work they are to do as a localboard moderator.

[1miau]

Improving posts quality in Local boards requires, in my opinion, some users from those local boards, who are able to check if this improving is really happening, based on the recommendations proposed by 1miau and Gazetabitcoin.

Good point. After some time, Hatchy could provide insight about all the achievements of the campaign. There might be members doing a good job, learning a lot from that campaign and these improvements should be honored in my opinion. Of course, any local board member is invited to write a summary, if the goals of the campaign are met, as well.  

“plurality should not be posited without necessity.”

Most of the  local boards have dedicated moderators who evaluate   published posts and delete those ones that have  the vicious style and/or dull/irrelevant content.

For instance, Russian board has two high-skilled mods who perfectly    cope with their duties including that ones which are relevant to improving posting quality .

It seems you have misunderstood the entire goal of our campaign. Our campaign is dedicated to create awareness for every community member to put effort into their posts. That way, moderators will also have less work to delete shitposts if there are less shitposts in general.
The entire intention of our campaign is to be a community campaign, not a moderator campaign.

Our campaign is intended to be beneficial for the forum because no one wants to read uninteresting, generic shitposts. There will be less traffic on Bitcointalk and less readers because no one wants to read shitposts. Just visit some spam megathreads in our Gambling section, the shitposts are very generic there and it's a waste of time to read.
That's why we should create quality posts and our campaign is creating awareness for this.


Hatchy explained that very well above, too.