[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK sponsored by Utopia

[Baofeng]

And Fury may just want to keep this fight alive,

“We offered them the December 17 date in Saudi Arabia for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world and everybody wanted that date. Usyk said he was injured and isn’t ready until next year," Fury said.

“And now he’s saying I’m scared of him. The little sh!thouse middleweight. I’ll put my fist right through his face.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-usyk-said-he-ready-now-he-says-im-scared-hes-sh-thouse--169300

He call Usyk middleweight, lol, in any case, Fury is looking for either a Joshua or Usyk fight this December. He had a schedule already in December, but it seems he doesn't have a dance partner. When we thought that the Joshua fight is lock-in, there are still things need to be settled. And so he calls Usyk again, I don't think he is injured or what, he just want to take a break after winning against Joshua.

I think Usyk is evading Fury.  It is not that he wanted a break, I believe Usyk wanted to prolong his stay in the spotlight because there is a huge possibility that the spotlight would be taken away from him the moment he decided to fight Fury.  In short, probably Usyk camp isn't confident about winning against Fury.    It is just my thought though and shouldn't be considered as fact.

The statement of Usyk is probably adding fuel to the excitement and controversy making their possible upcoming fight caters more attention.  And I think that is a very entertaining move to fire up their fans and the boxing audience, making them the possible talk of the social media platform.

So I understand that the unification title fight between Fury and Usyk may be possibly bound next year after Fury beats Joshua in their match this coming Dec.  What made me think that?  The exchange of words between the two champions is obvious.  And I considered that as great marketing ploy to catch the audience and boxing fans' attention.  Though I may be wrong but it is good if that happens .

Yes this thread is way too early but when I created it there was a real possibility it would go ahead sooner. The only way the fight can go ahead now is if Fury remains unbeaten in his next fight which would then allow him to try to set up a unification bout against Usyk. I think Wilder and even Parker are waiting in the wings in teh hope they can get another opportunity to fight for a title.

And what do you think if the fight is going to be made in Ukraine? That will be huge.

But Usyk might have to fight Wilder first though, I have a feeling that he might chase Wilder and then let Fury and Joshua fight first. And if my chance Fury won and he beat Wilder (also Deontay needs to win too against Helenius). And then Wilder vs Usyk happens 2023 and perhaps if Fury is still interested with unification with Usyk then they can go at it 2024.

[JollyGood]

Usyk has stated he wants to fight Fury for a unification fight in Ukraine in early 2023 that is if Fury as expected will get past Chisora in December 2022. That fight takes place at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium

Maybe a unification fight is still possible 

[Baofeng]

And Fury may just want to keep this fight alive,

“We offered them the December 17 date in Saudi Arabia for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world and everybody wanted that date. Usyk said he was injured and isn’t ready until next year," Fury said.

“And now he’s saying I’m scared of him. The little sh!thouse middleweight. I’ll put my fist right through his face.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-usyk-said-he-ready-now-he-says-im-scared-hes-sh-thouse--169300

He call Usyk middleweight, lol, in any case, Fury is looking for either a Joshua or Usyk fight this December. He had a schedule already in December, but it seems he doesn't have a dance partner. When we thought that the Joshua fight is lock-in, there are still things need to be settled. And so he calls Usyk again, I don't think he is injured or what, he just want to take a break after winning against Joshua.

I think Usyk is evading Fury.  It is not that he wanted a break, I believe Usyk wanted to prolong his stay in the spotlight because there is a huge possibility that the spotlight would be taken away from him the moment he decided to fight Fury.  In short, probably Usyk camp isn't confident about winning against Fury.    It is just my thought though and shouldn't be considered as fact.

The statement of Usyk is probably adding fuel to the excitement and controversy making their possible upcoming fight caters more attention.  And I think that is a very entertaining move to fire up their fans and the boxing audience, making them the possible talk of the social media platform.

So I understand that the unification title fight between Fury and Usyk may be possibly bound next year after Fury beats Joshua in their match this coming Dec.  What made me think that?  The exchange of words between the two champions is obvious.  And I considered that as great marketing ploy to catch the audience and boxing fans' attention.  Though I may be wrong but it is good if that happens .

Well the statement link by @JollyGood shows that Usyk is very much interested on a unification fight. It's just that Fury is putting a lot of pressure on Usyk to have the fight made this year (just like what he is pushing for a Joshua All British fight as well).

So Usyk just standing his ground and if the fight is going to happen, it will be in his terms like next year and in his beloved Ukraine.

The ball is now on Fury and I have no doubt that he can box and knockout Chisora in their fight, setting up a unification in the first quarter of 2023.

[JollyGood]

Usyk believes he will be defeat Fury, he genuinely believes it and he wants the fight to happen in the first quarter of 2023 in Ukraine.

As long as Fury defeats Chisora as expected, even if the fight will not happen in Ukraine I think Usyk will take it as long as the rematch takes place there because there will definitely be a rematch clause protecting both fighters.

As you said, all Fury has to do is defeat Chisora next month then he will probably finally have an opportunity to unify the belts.

Well the statement link by @JollyGood shows that Usyk is very much interested on a unification fight. It's just that Fury is putting a lot of pressure on Usyk to have the fight made this year (just like what he is pushing for a Joshua All British fight as well).

So Usyk just standing his ground and if the fight is going to happen, it will be in his terms like next year and in his beloved Ukraine.

The ball is now on Fury and I have no doubt that he can box and knockout Chisora in their fight, setting up a unification in the first quarter of 2023.

[inthelongrun]

And Fury may just want to keep this fight alive,

“We offered them the December 17 date in Saudi Arabia for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world and everybody wanted that date. Usyk said he was injured and isn’t ready until next year," Fury said.

“And now he’s saying I’m scared of him. The little sh!thouse middleweight. I’ll put my fist right through his face.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-usyk-said-he-ready-now-he-says-im-scared-hes-sh-thouse--169300

He call Usyk middleweight, lol, in any case, Fury is looking for either a Joshua or Usyk fight this December. He had a schedule already in December, but it seems he doesn't have a dance partner. When we thought that the Joshua fight is lock-in, there are still things need to be settled. And so he calls Usyk again, I don't think he is injured or what, he just want to take a break after winning against Joshua.

I think Usyk is evading Fury.  It is not that he wanted a break, I believe Usyk wanted to prolong his stay in the spotlight because there is a huge possibility that the spotlight would be taken away from him the moment he decided to fight Fury.  In short, probably Usyk camp isn't confident about winning against Fury.    It is just my thought though and shouldn't be considered as fact.

The statement of Usyk is probably adding fuel to the excitement and controversy making their possible upcoming fight caters more attention.  And I think that is a very entertaining move to fire up their fans and the boxing audience, making them the possible talk of the social media platform.

So I understand that the unification title fight between Fury and Usyk may be possibly bound next year after Fury beats Joshua in their match this coming Dec.  What made me think that?  The exchange of words between the two champions is obvious.  And I considered that as great marketing ploy to catch the audience and boxing fans' attention.  Though I may be wrong but it is good if that happens .

Well the statement link by @JollyGood shows that Usyk is very much interested on a unification fight. It's just that Fury is putting a lot of pressure on Usyk to have the fight made this year (just like what he is pushing for a Joshua All British fight as well).

So Usyk just standing his ground and if the fight is going to happen, it will be in his terms like next year and in his beloved Ukraine.

The ball is now on Fury and I have no doubt that he can box and knockout Chisora in their fight, setting up a unification in the first quarter of 2023.

Most championship-level fighters can only fight a maximum of 3 times a year. 4 fights are possible only when they stopped their previous opponents easily in the early rounds without receiving damages in return.

Usyk just fought last August 20 against AJ for 12 full rounds. Let's say a month of full rest and relaxation while at the same time negotiating a Fury fight. Usyk then needs another 3 months from light training up to the full training camp. Tyson Fury knows his December dates bluffs aren't feasible unless Usyk is willing to give more advantage to the WBC champion.

Usyk called Fury scared upon knowing that Fury pushes thru a December fight with a different opponent. Because it hampers the realistic proposed date which is the first quarter of next year. Although Fury cherry-picked an unranked Derek Chisora, I bet he will be needing time to heal his body if his opponent can manage to win at least 5 rounds in the judges' scorecards. 

[lionheart78]

Well the statement link by @JollyGood shows that Usyk is very much interested on a unification fight. It's just that Fury is putting a lot of pressure on Usyk to have the fight made this year (just like what he is pushing for a Joshua All British fight as well).

If this is the case, since Usyk had a full 12 round fight against his previous opponent,  Fury is taking advantage of incomplete recuperation of Usyk, that way he will have an advantage in the fight.  I thought Usyk is evading Fury because Fury has better chance of winning.  So I was proven wrong since Usyk wanted the unification fight until he is fully recovered from his previous fight.

So Usyk just standing his ground and if the fight is going to happen, it will be in his terms like next year and in his beloved Ukraine.

Make sense, since rushing the fight this year may hinder Usyk full recovery and might affect his training too which can give advantage to Fury.

The ball is now on Fury and I have no doubt that he can box and knockout Chisora in their fight, setting up a unification in the first quarter of 2023.

I also think the same, since looking at Chisora's boxing record, he is more likely to end up kissing the canvas (but of course, Chisora with 23 KOs out of 33 wins, an upset is also possible)

[Jating]

True, Fury is calling his way but Usyk is not going to bite on his bluff. He just won a hard fight and then Fury calling him to fight this December. Usyk has every right to decline for reasons of health as he needs to recuperate his body and getting it prep for the next challenge. So Fury is playing his best mind games here, and now going to settle for a fighter that he has beaten already.

What do you think about the split though? should it be 50/50 or Fury will get the biggest share even though he has only 1 belt, but I the most recognized amongst the world boxing bodies?

[JollyGood]

Do you think Fury (if he wins against Chisora) will be unable to ready to fight Usyk in March 2023? It will be the biggest pay day of his life and it will be an opportunity to make history by joining an elite few by unifying the belts.

Most championship-level fighters can only fight a maximum of 3 times a year. 4 fights are possible only when they stopped their previous opponents easily in the early rounds without receiving damages in return.

Usyk just fought last August 20 against AJ for 12 full rounds. Let's say a month of full rest and relaxation while at the same time negotiating a Fury fight. Usyk then needs another 3 months from light training up to the full training camp. Tyson Fury knows his December dates bluffs aren't feasible unless Usyk is willing to give more advantage to the WBC champion.

Usyk called Fury scared upon knowing that Fury pushes thru a December fight with a different opponent. Because it hampers the realistic proposed date which is the first quarter of next year. Although Fury cherry-picked an unranked Derek Chisora, I bet he will be needing time to heal his body if his opponent can manage to win at least 5 rounds in the judges' scorecards.

[lionheart78]

What do you think about the split though? should it be 50/50 or Fury will get the biggest share even though he has only 1 belt, but I the most recognized amongst the world boxing bodies?

I think 50/50 is fine, they are both title holders except that USYK had way more.  Often times the split favors the one who is more popular and favored by viewers.  It has something to do with whoever will give more revenue to the fight.  So we can say, the extra belt of Usyk is even out by the popularity of Fury.  It is a psywar actually, at the end of the day the fighter who is more eager for the fight to happen will give in to the demand of the opposing boxer.

Do you think Fury (if he wins against Chisora) will be unable to ready to fight Usyk in March 2023? It will be the biggest pay day of his life and it will be an opportunity to make history by joining an elite few by unifying the belts.

It all depends on the result of the coming match against Chisora.  If Fury knocks Chisora out without absorbing any heavy blows from his opponent, he might be ready to face Usyk in March 2023 because he doesn't need too much time for recovery.  Fury can prepare for the fight after a 2 weeks recuperation which can give him 2 months to prepare.  But if the fight lasts till 12 rounds then I think Fury will be requesting the rescheduling of the fight to a later date probably the month of April or May.

[Baofeng]

Well the statement link by @JollyGood shows that Usyk is very much interested on a unification fight. It's just that Fury is putting a lot of pressure on Usyk to have the fight made this year (just like what he is pushing for a Joshua All British fight as well).

If this is the case, since Usyk had a full 12 round fight against his previous opponent,  Fury is taking advantage of incomplete recuperation of Usyk, that way he will have an advantage in the fight.  I thought Usyk is evading Fury because Fury has better chance of winning.  So I was proven wrong since Usyk wanted the unification fight until he is fully recovered from his previous fight.

Right, it will really take months for Usyk to recover from that very physical fight against AJ. But what Fury do? rush Usyk for a fight this December and for sure sure Fury knows that it is not going to happen and then he make it looks like Usyk doesn't want to fight him and was "afraid".

And if Fury won comfortably against Chisora, not get damage that much, win in less than 10 rounds, then possible that he can be battle ready by March-April of next year for a mega fight with Usyk.

[lionheart78]

Bumping this thread discussion rather than creating a new one, because there is another USYK-Fury fight discussion roaming around

According to the news[1], Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk location teased as promoter gives promising fight update.  The fight is planned to happen if both parties agree on a date between February 18 and March 4 next year.  They plan to hold the fight on one of the three middle eastern countries because of huge payout.

Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk’s representatives are currently in talks with three Middle Eastern countries about hosting the proposed heavyweight unification clash in 2023. According to Usyk’s promoter, Alexander Krassyuk, Wembley and Cardiff are also in place as backup options

If the fight won't happen until March 4, Krassyuk claims that if the fight is not made by March 4 then it will never happen.

Hopefully, this news is not a hopium for fans.  It has been long awaited for these two giants to have a unification fight but one way or another the fight never happen and this time I hope the two camp agreed to get it on.



[1] https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/1711686/Tyson-Fury-Oleksandr-Usyk-location-date-Alexander-Krassyuk-boxing-news

[yazher]

Bumping this thread discussion rather than creating a new one, because there is another USYK-Fury fight discussion roaming around

According to the news[1], Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk location teased as promoter gives promising fight update.  The fight is planned to happen if both parties agree on a date between February 18 and March 4 next year.  They plan to hold the fight on one of the three middle eastern countries because of huge payout.

This is, of course, the right decision for both of them because they cannot literally fight currently in Ukraine because it may gonna be their worse nightmare if Russia decided to fire a missile in that stadium in the midst of their intense exchanges. Considering their popularity in the middle east, I'm sure it would be a good decision and safe compared to what Usyk wants. It would be a blockbuster there, especially since it's a unification bout for these two, and also Fury once again wants to prove himself he can beat anybody in the weight division.

[dothebeats]

Even if Usyk stands at 6'3, Fury still towers over him, and Fury's reach would really help in keeping his distance against Usyk and land some jabs that can potentially be dangerous to the Ukrainian boxer. However, Usyk's height can also be an advantage to him as he will always have access to Fury's chin and can even deal some body shots without losing too much power at delivery. Both are great fighters with incredible records in the ring, but Fury's experience, physical attributes, and overall presence in the ring is just overall superior against his Ukrainian opponent.

[hilariousetc]

Bumping this thread discussion rather than creating a new one, because there is another USYK-Fury fight discussion roaming around

According to the news[1], Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk location teased as promoter gives promising fight update.  The fight is planned to happen if both parties agree on a date between February 18 and March 4 next year.  They plan to hold the fight on one of the three middle eastern countries because of huge payout.

Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk’s representatives are currently in talks with three Middle Eastern countries about hosting the proposed heavyweight unification clash in 2023. According to Usyk’s promoter, Alexander Krassyuk, Wembley and Cardiff are also in place as backup options

If the fight won't happen until March 4, Krassyuk claims that if the fight is not made by March 4 then it will never happen.

Hopefully, this news is not a hopium for fans.  It has been long awaited for these two giants to have a unification fight but one way or another the fight never happen and this time I hope the two camp agreed to get it on.



[1] https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/1711686/Tyson-Fury-Oleksandr-Usyk-location-date-Alexander-Krassyuk-boxing-news

It'll almost certainly happen. They seem to have agreed terms in principle and now just have to decide on the venue/county. It's the biggest fight for both of them and I think it's the first time in 20 years that the opportunity to become undisputed champion has been there so they'd be stupid to not get this fight over the line. I'm sure they're trying to wrangle as much money out of the Middle East as possible which is probably the only reason pen hasn't been put to paper yet. The only thing that could hold it up is both fighters mandatory bouts which will be enforced if they don't get this thing signed and officially done soon. I don't think either party will be as stupid to throw away this opportunity over greed.

[Welsh]

I'm sure the promoters are hashing out their terms right now, and we'll probably get a lot of talk from Fury's side about how the fight isn't going to happen, and Usyk is taking his time. You know, the usual. I imagine then they'll be more fighting talk, than the banter we've seen recently. Potentially from both sides as Fury starts to annoy Usyk.

It has to happen either that or the Fury vs Joshua fight. No other fights make sense, especially with these fighters being at the tail end of their career.

[Yaunfitda]

I'm sure the promoters are hashing out their terms right now, and we'll probably get a lot of talk from Fury's side about how the fight isn't going to happen, and Usyk is taking his time. You know, the usual. I imagine then they'll be more fighting talk, than the banter we've seen recently. Potentially from both sides as Fury starts to annoy Usyk.

It has to happen either that or the Fury vs Joshua fight. No other fights make sense, especially with these fighters being at the tail end of their career.

But it seems that Usyk is not being affected by Fury's action in the public?

Usyk standing his ground, he will take his time and if this fight is going to happen, it will obviously happen next year. There are talks that it should be in Ukraine, but I doubt it. Yeah, next biggest fight is Fury vs Joshua, again, it might have lost the luster of a all British showdown because Joshua lost to Usyk, but still though, there are a lot of money going to be made here so both sides should consider it as well for next year.

[JollyGood]

Bumping this thread discussion rather than creating a new one, because there is another USYK-Fury fight discussion roaming around

I had no idea there was another thread, I was not focused on the boxing after the fight that was supposed to happen did not transpire and Fury went off to fight Chisora after Usyk stated he was not going to fight until early 2023 at the earliest.

According to the news[1], Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk location teased as promoter gives promising fight update.  The fight is planned to happen if both parties agree on a date between February 18 and March 4 next year.  They plan to hold the fight on one of the three middle eastern countries because of huge payout.

Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk’s representatives are currently in talks with three Middle Eastern countries about hosting the proposed heavyweight unification clash in 2023. According to Usyk’s promoter, Alexander Krassyuk, Wembley and Cardiff are also in place as backup options

If the fight won't happen until March 4, Krassyuk claims that if the fight is not made by March 4 then it will never happen.

Hopefully, this news is not a hopium for fans.  It has been long awaited for these two giants to have a unification fight but one way or another the fight never happen and this time I hope the two camp agreed to get it on.

It is the fight boxing fans want to see because unification bouts do not come along frequently. Where there is money there will be a way to find solutions and I am sure the fight will happen because both fighters are at the very near to end of their careers and would want to retire as unified champion.

This is, of course, the right decision for both of them because they cannot literally fight currently in Ukraine because it may gonna be their worse nightmare if Russia decided to fire a missile in that stadium in the midst of their intense exchanges. Considering their popularity in the middle east, I'm sure it would be a good decision and safe compared to what Usyk wants. It would be a blockbuster there, especially since it's a unification bout for these two, and also Fury once again wants to prove himself he can beat anybody in the weight division.

It is understandable why Usyk would want the fight to take place in Ukraine but in practical terms there is no chance it will go ahead there. Fury should try to push to have the fight in the UK but we will see the drama unfold over the coming days.

[Baofeng]

^^ I would rather see this fight being made in England though, money wise it will be the best decision for Usyk as well. Of course, he wanted it to happen in his country, but there are going to be problems infrastructure wise that in doesn't make sense for promoters to push for it.

And most likely it could happen next year, after Usyk has healed and then Fury already rested from his tune up fight against Chisora.

Hopefully negotiations is still alive in this one, because the hype is obviously amongst us to see this unification fight.

[eaLiTy]

^^ I would rather see this fight being made in England though, money wise it will be the best decision for Usyk as well. Of course, he wanted it to happen in his country, but there are going to be problems infrastructure wise that in doesn't make sense for promoters to push for it.

It is not just the infrastructure problem that is hindering the fight in Ukraine, the war is still ongoing and if Usyk says he wants the fight to take place in a war zone he is just out of his mind  . Financial wise, GCC countries like Saudi and UAE is a good option as they are willing to spend huge amount for these fights to happen and then England is the best spot as this is the most anticipated fight in boxing and a money grab for everyone involved.

[JollyGood]

It'll almost certainly happen. They seem to have agreed terms in principle and now just have to decide on the venue/county. It's the biggest fight for both of them and I think it's the first time in 20 years that the opportunity to become undisputed champion has been there so they'd be stupid to not get this fight over the line. I'm sure they're trying to wrangle as much money out of the Middle East as possible which is probably the only reason pen hasn't been put to paper yet. The only thing that could hold it up is both fighters mandatory bouts which will be enforced if they don't get this thing signed and officially done soon. I don't think either party will be as stupid to throw away this opportunity over greed.

The fight will go ahead because as you said neither party will be stupid to throw the opportunity away. If they want to maximise sentimental value it stands to reason Usyk would want it to take place in Ukraine but looking at it logically that would be almost impossible. If the boxers want to get the largest possible share of the purse the fight will probably take place in the Middle East. I think it is inevitable, Fury vs Usyk will go ahead in 2023 without either boxer being forced in to mandatory bouts elsewhere.

I'm sure the promoters are hashing out their terms right now, and we'll probably get a lot of talk from Fury's side about how the fight isn't going to happen, and Usyk is taking his time. You know, the usual. I imagine then they'll be more fighting talk, than the banter we've seen recently. Potentially from both sides as Fury starts to annoy Usyk.

It has to happen either that or the Fury vs Joshua fight. No other fights make sense, especially with these fighters being at the tail end of their career.

With the Fury vs Usyk fight being the biggest opportunity for all involved to make phenomenal amounts of money, that is the fight that has to go ahead. Fury was going all out trying to get Joshua in the ring but after losing to Usyk twice it would have been a huge mistake for Joshua to fight Fury and risk losing three consecutive fights.

Surely the Fury vs Usyk fight makes sense over anything else and if the boxers want it they will sign the contracts soon to end the speculation.