[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK sponsored by Utopia

[JollyGood]

self-moderated to keep this thread clean from trolls, attention-seekers and signature spammers

Thread sponsor
------------
Utopia
------------

For those that have not heard of Utopia or know very little about them, as suggested in the OP please download the Utopia ecosystem and check out the benefits it offers such as:

= Crypton Exchange (no KYC)
= encrypted file transfers
= secure chats
= and much more

Thank you Utopia  

There is c.$100 for the winner of the free lottery. If you have not already applied, you should click here: Free Lottery#1 JollyGood-Ratimov-Utopia: Fury vs Usyk win c.$100

=======================================

Usyk has defeated Joshua for a second time to retain the WBA, WBO and IBF heavyweight titles. No real surprise there because most people would have thought Joshua would lose again.

Usyk said in the ring after his victory he will never fight again unless his next fight is with Fury...

In typical fashion, Fury who is holding the WBC title and has made a statement saying he is going to get in the ring and beat Usyk as long as the money being offered is huge  

Eventually that unification fight is going to happen therefore who do you think will win: Fury or Usyk

===========



===========



===========



===========

LOCAL RULE
ALL MEMBERS PLEASE NOTE:

I want to try to keep this thread clean and legible.

If you make posts that are quoting more than 2 members in a single direct reply, it will probably be deleted therefore if your main priority is to post to earn signature campaign fees it will affect your quota if your post gets deleted.

Feel free to individually quote and individually reply to each quote to as many members as you want within your post, as that is acceptable.

Some members are quoting 4+ members in their unnecessary walls of text and then making a two line post to reach their signature campaign targets to earn their fees and it is not acceptable in this thread.

Please keep this local rule in mind when posting here. Thank you.

[Darker45]

The first to vote here. I think Fury will win. I just don't think Usyk can take Fury's size and power for 12 rounds. Moreover, Fury can jab. And he also normally extends his arms to keep his opponent at bay when there's an attack coming. He could definitely use his reach advantage for this.

Usyk is a great boxer, no doubt about it. But Fury simply belongs to another level, and probably size as well. The certain thing is that Usyk cannot finish Fury. So the only way for him to defeat Fury is to outpoint him. That could happen, of course. But what is hard to happen is for Usyk to absorb all the powerful blows of his heavy-handed giant opponent for 12 rounds.

[Rruchi man]

Usyks did a great job defending his belt against Anthony Joshua but I doubt that he'll be able to go against Fury who is also as  aggressive as he is. Usyks is good and shows very good ability on the ring, but Fury is better to me as he can counter match Usyks attacks with same speed and power, plus he will not be as rigid, unresponsive and unaggressive as AJ was.

Fury had this to say after Joshua fight, clearly he wants Usyk to put it all on the line with some good money as motivation for him.

“I've just seen Joshua lose for the second time to Usyk – out of his depth.

“However, England has been relieved of its belts. Yet again, as usual.

“There is a remedy and a solution that I can suggest. If you want those belts back then send in the Gypsy barbarian of England. Come on!

“Send me in. I will relieve the Ukrainian dosser of his belts like I did the last Ukrainian dosser.

“But its not gonna be cheap. If you want the best you've got to pay, it's gonna be very expensive.

“So get your f***ing chequebook out and I will relieve that Ukrainian dosser.”

source

[Baofeng]

I also voted for Fury to win the unification fight. Of course Usyk will be bring something that maybe Fury hasn't face before, he is a technical boxer and uses a lot of movement.

But I think Fury will rely on his advantage, his height and length and his ring IQ to solved Usyk and maybe this fight will go to distance with a MD or SD win for Tyson Fury.

[bisdak40]

Voted for Fury as i think Usyk is no match to Fury's boxing style.

Joshua's confidence or shall we say style is not made for Usyk's quickness and relentless throwing of bombs.

Have seen a video of Fury and he said that he is ready to face Usyk but it would be expensive  . money grabs for him, different approach with that of Mayweather to sell the fight.

[Boristhecat]

-skip-
Eventually that unification fight is going to happen therefore who do you think will win: Fury or Usyk

On the one hand, I would say that Fury will win, because if the difference in weight between Usyk and Joshua is approximately 10 kilograms, then between Usyk and Fury it is already more than 20 and this looks like a critical advantage. On the other hand, if you remember how many hits Fury missed from Wilder (and in fact won only due to a stronger head), then I would say that if Usyk is fast and Fury cannot knock him out, then Usyk will win on points.
In any case, I would love to watch this fight.

[Hydrogen]

What happened to Tyson Fury wanting an exhibition fight with UFC heavyweight champion Francis Ngannou?

Usyk pushes a high pace with his elusive head movement, angles and defense. But I think Tyson Fury is too big, has too much reach and is too savvy a boxer to have trouble landing punches on Usyk the way that Anthony Joshua did. Fury throws more punches per round than Joshua. Inactivity was one of Joshua's biggest failings. AJ took too many rounds off as rest rounds. He tired quickly. Even though he only threw around 10 punches in some rounds. Usyk will have a harder time outworking Fury to win on points.

Its interesting to see modern day heavyweight boxers throw low volumes of punches. The athleticism and endurance of boxers appears to have significantly declined. When Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis and the other greats were still competing, boxing was a much more action packed and exciting sport.

[coin-investor]

The boxing community will ask and probably demand this, Joshua and Wilder are out of the picture for good and they are two men standing for the claim of the greatest heavyweight champion of this generation, I just hope there will be no further delay just like what happened between Wilder and Joshua and between Joshua and Fury.

There's huge money waiting for both fighters and of course the legacy, right now Usyk is still enjoying his victory but hopefully, he will announce his eagerness to fight Fury, so talks can begin, I don't want to speculate about who will beat who until they both agree even in talks.

[JollyGood]

The first to vote here. I think Fury will win

There are 6 votes in the poll right now and all 6 have voted for Fury to win  

Usyks did a great job defending his belt against Anthony Joshua but I doubt that he'll be able to go against Fury who is also as  aggressive as he is

Fury will take the fight on from the first round and not take anything for granted but eventually he should win because as great a fighter Usyk is he will be up against Fury who is probably going to go for a KO or TKO rather than go 12 rounds and try to win on a points decision.

I also voted for Fury to win the unification fight. Of course Usyk will be bring something that maybe Fury hasn't face before, he is a technical boxer and uses a lot of movement.

But I think Fury will rely on his advantage, his height and length and his ring IQ to solved Usyk and maybe this fight will go to distance with a MD or SD win for Tyson Fury.

Fury will certainly be trying to lean on Usyk trying to weaken him the way he roughed up Wilder but Usyk hardly let Joshua lean on him because he was fluid. Fury will have a lot of reach advantage and will use that jab to much better use than Joshua did over the course of their two fights.

[Baofeng]

I also voted for Fury to win the unification fight. Of course Usyk will be bring something that maybe Fury hasn't face before, he is a technical boxer and uses a lot of movement.

But I think Fury will rely on his advantage, his height and length and his ring IQ to solved Usyk and maybe this fight will go to distance with a MD or SD win for Tyson Fury.

Fury will certainly be trying to lean on Usyk trying to weaken him the way he roughed up Wilder but Usyk hardly let Joshua lean on him because he was fluid. Fury will have a lot of reach advantage and will use that jab to much better use than Joshua did over the course of their two fights.

Although if I may add, this might be the first time that we might see Joshua having his match in terms of movement and with fast hands. But then again, that reach and power belongs to Fury and I think he will still rely on that kind of tactics, maybe testing on how Usyk will respond if he roughs him up, putting all his weight on him in the corner . And then Fury's jab will also play a key role. He has fast hands and for sure he can hit Usyk more than Joshua did on their two fights.

[robelneo]

I'll be monitoring the poll it's good that we have a poll, despite Usyk beating Joshua for the second time I also don't think he will have a clear advantage over Fury, actually, on the contrary, Fury will have a huge and clear advantage against Usyk, we cannot compare Joshua to Fury, Joshua is a stiff boxer and that's how Usyk exploited it, Fury is very fluid, he can give double jab and very good at counter-punching, Usyk will have to double his effort, this is a battle of two technical fighters who don't rely on sheer power but loves to break down their opponents until chopping them when it's ripe.

[JollyGood]

We all know Usyk can take a punch because he withstood what Joshua threw at him and did not panic but I we all also know that Fury is a different fighter altogether and not only will he throw more punches than Joshua, many of those punches will land and cause problems for Usyk.

Without a doubt the Fury jab will play a significant part in the fight simply because that will be his chosen technique to keep Usyk at a distance while he prepares to throw those right hooks and uppercuts. He will definitely land more punches on Usyk than Joshua did.

Although if I may add, this might be the first time that we might see Joshua having his match in terms of movement and with fast hands. But then again, that reach and power belongs to Fury and I think he will still rely on that kind of tactics, maybe testing on how Usyk will respond if he roughs him up, putting all his weight on him in the corner . And then Fury's jab will also play a key role. He has fast hands and for sure he can hit Usyk more than Joshua did on their two fights.

[AmoreJaz]

Voted for Fury as i think Usyk is no match to Fury's boxing style.

Joshua's confidence or shall we say style is not made for Usyk's quickness and relentless throwing of bombs.

Have seen a video of Fury and he said that he is ready to face Usyk but it would be expensive  . money grabs for him, different approach with that of Mayweather to sell the fight.

if they will indeed see huge payout for this match, their promoters will schedule this as soon as possible. remember, many times money matters when it comes to these respective promoters. and of course the purse split among their boxers. voted for fury here as well. and based from the poll, users here are rooting for fury. but we can never be sure as upsets in boxing always happen.

[JollyGood]

If Joshua managed to have beaten Usyk in the rematch he could have entered the ring to meet Fury in an all British unification fight that would have brought in unbelievable wealth for him but instead it is Usyk that will receive the fee.

You are right upsets can happen in sport but Fury will need to mess up badly in order for Usyk to win and I just do not see it happening. I think Fury will go in to the ring with the intention it will be his swansong therefore he will be confident and he will win.

if they will indeed see huge payout for this match, their promoters will schedule this as soon as possible. remember, many times money matters when it comes to these respective promoters. and of course the purse split among their boxers. voted for fury here as well. and based from the poll, users here are rooting for fury. but we can never be sure as upsets in boxing always happen.

[cabron]

Sounded like the fight is on already when Usyk calls Tyson after his AJ fight. And then right after it, Fury also criticized both AJ and Usyk for being sh**.

Heavy guys like them are pretty much slow but Usyk is a lot faster and can work in volume than Fury though, which I think will be the characteristic that will make him winner against Tyson.

[Dave1]

Sounded like the fight is on already when Usyk calls Tyson after his AJ fight. And then right after it, Fury also criticized both AJ and Usyk for being sh**.

Heavy guys like them are pretty much slow but Usyk is a lot faster and can work in volume than Fury though, which I think will be the characteristic that will make him winner against Tyson.

It's hard to see who will have the upperhand as far as the hand speed because both are very agile and too quick hands for a heavyweight. But I would say that natural and bigger HW will have the advantage and that is Fury. Remember that Usyk is a natural CW and that is why he seems to be very "light" for a HW boxer. But Fury is a freak of nature, at his height and weight, he is naturally gifted boxer and had a power in both hands.

So for me, maybe Usyk can stay with Fury early, but Fury can match his speed and will eventually caught Usyk a couple of times for a decision win.

[Yaunfitda]

If Joshua managed to have beaten Usyk in the rematch he could have entered the ring to meet Fury in an all British unification fight that would have brought in unbelievable wealth for him but instead it is Usyk that will receive the fee.

Yes, at least that is what we are expecting, an all British showdown in the Heavyweight division, sold out O2 arena and Brits are raving about it. Unfortunately, even if Joshua has change his corner and getting a US trainer in Robert Garcia, he still lost to a good boxer in Usyk.

You are right upsets can happen in sport but Fury will need to mess up badly in order for Usyk to win and I just do not see it happening. I think Fury will go in to the ring with the intention it will be his swansong therefore he will be confident and he will win.

if they will indeed see huge payout for this match, their promoters will schedule this as soon as possible. remember, many times money matters when it comes to these respective promoters. and of course the purse split among their boxers. voted for fury here as well. and based from the poll, users here are rooting for fury. but we can never be sure as upsets in boxing always happen.

And everything is still in the hands of Fury, for sure he will be the A-side of this fight. And we have been saying that Usyk is a technical boxer, but there is none that we can compare at this division with Fury. And I agree that this could be Fury's swansong fight, even greater than his Wilder victories.

[JollyGood]

I was hoping for more votes by now but there are 12 votes in the poll:

Fury to win: 11
Usyk to win:  1

At the moment it is clear who the forum members think will win the fight. 91% of the voters are going for a Fury win and that view is probably shared by most people associated with the sport of boxing as well as commentators and fans.

[KTChampions]

I was hoping for more votes by now but there are 12 votes in the poll:

Fury to win: 11
Usyk to win:  1

At the moment it is clear who the forum members think will win the fight. 91% of the voters are going for a Fury win and that view is probably shared by most people associated with the sport of boxing as well as commentators and fans.

I added my vote for Usyk 
I understand that Fury is a favorite (only due to his size), but his trash talk annoys me. Especially against the background of the fact that the sporting achievements of Fury himself are extremely doubtful. Plus he's smeared with doping. Maybe if it weren’t for doping, then such a lover of lying on canvas would not be able to get up every time 

[JollyGood]

I added my vote for Usyk 
I understand that Fury is a favorite (only due to his size), but his trash talk annoys me. Especially against the background of the fact that the sporting achievements of Fury himself are extremely doubtful. Plus he's smeared with doping. Maybe if it weren’t for doping, then such a lover of lying on canvas would not be able to get up every time 

When they enter the ring who do you think will win. Regardless of the trash talk or alleged trash talk, when they get in the ring do you think Usyk will really win?

Although I'm rooting for Usyk, but objectively, Fury has a better chance of winning, if the fight takes place at all, of course, he is also hardy and fast as Usyk, besides, he has a powerful knockout punch. Among other things, the "Gypsy King" does not have too much of a break in order to lose shape, so if the fight takes place, I think it will be the greatest event in boxing and may delay the departure from boxing of both Fury and Usyk a little.

Having a favourite is a good thing but in practical terms usually people can make a distinction between their favourite and the probable winner. I like Fury and Usyk but I think Fury will win based on what both of them are bringing in to the ring.

[TopTort777]

Although I'm rooting for Usyk, but objectively, Fury has a better chance of winning, if the fight takes place at all, of course, he is also hardy and fast as Usyk, besides, he has a powerful knockout punch. Among other things, the "Gypsy King" does not have too much of a break in order to lose shape, so if the fight takes place, I think it will be the greatest event in boxing and may delay the departure from boxing of both Fury and Usyk a little.

In this possible fight, I also see Fury as a winner. It is hard to knockout such a giant as Fury. In this fight, Usyk truly is going to look like a man from lower division, and recent boxing and combat sports fights showed that fighting in other division is really hard. AJ was 10kg heavier than Usyk. Fury probably gonna be 20-30 more. His punches are going to be much heavier than AJ, Usyk gonna feel much different pain. Besides, Fury is fat but fast. Perhaps even as fast as Usyk.

[Cryptmuster]

In this possible fight, I also see Fury as a winner. It is hard to knockout such a giant as Fury. In this fight, Usyk truly is going to look like a man from lower division, and recent boxing and combat sports fights showed that fighting in other division is really hard. AJ was 10kg heavier than Usyk. Fury probably gonna be 20-30 more. His punches are going to be much heavier than AJ, Usyk gonna feel much different pain. Besides, Fury is fat but fast. Perhaps even as fast as Usyk.

Usyk is ambitious and should have challenged Fury to a fight. But he himself understands that this will be a very difficult fight for him, probably the hardest in his life, of course, if this fight takes place. Fury loves money, and if he said that he would fight for a lot of money, then I am sure that this money will be collected for him. I am not sure that Usyk needs this fight, if it does take place, then Usyk will not be able to knock out Fury, at best it will be 12 hard rounds.

[JollyGood]

At the moment there are 15 votes in the poll:

Fury to win: 12
Usyk to win:  3

It is fairly overwhelmingly in favour of Fury to win with 80% of the poll in his favour but I am curious if the 3 members that voted for Usyk think he will win by a KO/TKO or by a points decision. How do they think Usyk can win.

[KTChampions]

I added my vote for Usyk 
I understand that Fury is a favorite (only due to his size), but his trash talk annoys me. Especially against the background of the fact that the sporting achievements of Fury himself are extremely doubtful. Plus he's smeared with doping. Maybe if it weren’t for doping, then such a lover of lying on canvas would not be able to get up every time 

When they enter the ring who do you think will win. Regardless of the trash talk or alleged trash talk, when they get in the ring do you think Usyk will really win?

If we exclude doping and other possible undercover fraud, then yes, I think Usyk should win. Naturally, this is a probabilistic event, but if we see this fight, I will bet on Usyk (I will answer for my words with money) since he will be terribly underestimated. Fury is too overrated, I would probably bet against him on any opponent if he comes back.
On one of the forums, I read a funny summary of Fury's career: he defeated the old Klitschko once and a basketball player three times   (sorry Wilder). In short, Fury is ripe, he must fall  

[btc_angela]

I added my vote for Usyk 
I understand that Fury is a favorite (only due to his size), but his trash talk annoys me. Especially against the background of the fact that the sporting achievements of Fury himself are extremely doubtful. Plus he's smeared with doping. Maybe if it weren’t for doping, then such a lover of lying on canvas would not be able to get up every time 

When they enter the ring who do you think will win. Regardless of the trash talk or alleged trash talk, when they get in the ring do you think Usyk will really win?

If we exclude doping and other possible undercover fraud, then yes, I think Usyk should win. Naturally, this is a probabilistic event, but if we see this fight, I will bet on Usyk (I will answer for my words with money) since he will be terribly underestimated. Fury is too overrated, I would probably bet against him on any opponent if he comes back.
On one of the forums, I read a funny summary of Fury's career: he defeated the old Klitschko once and a basketball player three times   (sorry Wilder). In short, Fury is ripe, he must fall  

Anthony Joshua also defeated Klitschko, Fury though beat a prime Wilder, and I'm not sure about the basketball player comment on Wilder. Usyk is a great boxer, he beat Joshua twice already, very skilled, but I don't think he will beat Fury. In terms of physical, I don't think that Usyk will be a threat, maybe Fury will have some problems with the style of Usyk specially the speed. But Fury himself is very awkward and this could throw Usyk off balance too.

[TopTort777]

Fury is too overrated, I would probably bet against him on any opponent if he comes back.

If Fury is overrated, then how did he managed to achieve 32-0 against top heavyweight boxers? If he is so overrated, then why no one managed to even knock him down? Wilder did, with his killer cannon. But it took seconds for Fury to recover. I dont remember any other big boxing fighters hurting Fury.

You know why Usyk wont beat Fury? Because that thick fat belly armor will protect Fury all the time He will close head with huge gloves and throw heavy punches on Usyk. And just because Fury is about to retire, judges would give him a win, so that he can retire undefeated

[virasisog]

Fury is too overrated, I would probably bet against him on any opponent if he comes back.

If Fury is overrated, then how did he managed to achieve 32-0 against top heavyweight boxers? If he is so overrated, then why no one managed to even knock him down? Wilder did, with his killer cannon. But it took seconds for Fury to recover. I dont remember any other big boxing fighters hurting Fury.

You know why Usyk wont beat Fury? Because that thick fat belly armor will protect Fury all the time He will close head with huge gloves and throw heavy punches on Usyk. And just because Fury is about to retire, judges would give him a win, so that he can retire undefeated

Fury has been undefeated and been consistent with his record. I guess Usyk only wants a huge challenge for his career but Fury would really be a strong opponent for him. We've seen their aggressiveness of Fury during his previous matches and I doubt Usyk could beat him down that easy. He needs a lot of time to learn how to counter and have a strong defense against Fury.

[dimonstration]

Still Tyson Fury because his performance still didn’t change and he is literally on his prime even though he is already planning his retirement. He is the best in his division and there’s no doubt about that. Usyk didn’t manage to KO or beat AJ in majority or unanimous division which means they still have a close fight while Tyson Fury last 3 matches are both KO. The fight will be explosive if this heavyweight fight will happened. I believe this might be Fury last match if he takedown Usyk on this match because he has nothing to prove already.

[KTChampions]

Fury is too overrated, I would probably bet against him on any opponent if he comes back.

If Fury is overrated, then how did he managed to achieve 32-0 against top heavyweight boxers?

  I bet that if you open the list of his fights, you will not find a single familiar name there except for Chisora and Cunningham.
Even Wilder said that Fury had no serious opponents other than Klitschko and himself.

If he is so overrated, then why no one managed to even knock him down? Wilder did, with his killer cannon. But it took seconds for Fury to recover. I dont remember any other big boxing fighters hurting Fury.

  funny contradiction.
By the way: Fury - Paikic, Fury knocked down in the 2nd round; Fury - Cunningham, Fury knocked down in the 2nd round 

By the way, do not forget that Fury's victory over Klitschko is a purely paper victory in court - initially the result of this fight was canceled due to the fact that Fury used doping (nandrolone).

You know why Usyk wont beat Fury? Because that thick fat belly armor will protect Fury all the time He will close head with huge gloves and throw heavy punches on Usyk. And just because Fury is about to retire, judges would give him a win, so that he can retire undefeated

This looks like the truth. This paper champion seems to be patronized at the highest level, so I wouldn't be surprised by such a "win".

[JollyGood]

Fury is not overrated, it would be a mistake to say that because (as you rightly stated) he has a great fight record. If Fury was fully fit in the first fight against Wilder he would have won by KO but Fury was easing his way back in to the ring.

Usyk is a brilliant fighter but even with all his technical skills he will not be able to beat Fury. The good thing for Usyk will be his share of the fight purse. At 35 this should be the final fight of his career if he loses against Fury. If he miraculously defeats Fury he should have a rematch and then retire. Either way Usyk should not be facing any other opponent before he retires.

Fury is too overrated, I would probably bet against him on any opponent if he comes back.

If Fury is overrated, then how did he managed to achieve 32-0 against top heavyweight boxers? If he is so overrated, then why no one managed to even knock him down? Wilder did, with his killer cannon. But it took seconds for Fury to recover. I dont remember any other big boxing fighters hurting Fury.

You know why Usyk wont beat Fury? Because that thick fat belly armor will protect Fury all the time He will close head with huge gloves and throw heavy punches on Usyk. And just because Fury is about to retire, judges would give him a win, so that he can retire undefeated

[aioc]

There's a possibility that this fight will not push through Fury is demanding an outrageous amount of £500million and he even called Usyk 

some unknown foreigner

Fury accepted Usyk's call out after he outpointed Anthony Joshua in their rematch but 'The Gypsy King' has insisted it will take £500million to get him out of retirement..

 "The world's biggest fight has to be the world's biggest money. If I'm to put it all on the line vs some unknown foreigner. Boys better get that half billy, if not keep the little mug. If it was AJ it would have been free but it's not, only power in the waters."

Tyson Fury reiterates £500million demand for Oleksandr Usyk undisputed fight

If he will insist on this amount promoters will have a second thought if they will push through with the unification or he just wants to get much higher stakes when the negotiation starts rolling.

[JollyGood]

He knows he will not get anywhere near $500 million but he is pushing that agenda for the hype. It will be the richest fight in heavyweight boxing history with both fighters huge amounts from the purse. There will be a rematch clause inserted which means they will probably fight twice but on both counts I cannot see Usyk winning.

There's a possibility that this fight will not push through Fury is demanding an outrageous amount of £500million and he even called Usyk  

some unknown foreigner

Fury accepted Usyk's call out after he outpointed Anthony Joshua in their rematch but 'The Gypsy King' has insisted it will take £500million to get him out of retirement..

 "The world's biggest fight has to be the world's biggest money. If I'm to put it all on the line vs some unknown foreigner. Boys better get that half billy, if not keep the little mug. If it was AJ it would have been free but it's not, only power in the waters."

Tyson Fury reiterates £500million demand for Oleksandr Usyk undisputed fight

If he will insist on this amount promoters will have a second thought if they will push through with the unification or he just wants to get much higher stakes when the negotiation starts rolling.

[TopTort777]

Fury is too overrated, I would probably bet against him on any opponent if he comes back.

If Fury is overrated, then how did he managed to achieve 32-0 against top heavyweight boxers?

  I bet that if you open the list of his fights, you will not find a single familiar name there except for Chisora and Cunningham.
Even Wilder said that Fury had no serious opponents other than Klitschko and himself.

You would better listen more a guy that has 0-2 against Fury If you say than Tyson Fury record was build by wins over no-name boxers, then I have a cool video for you - exposure of Mike Tyson. The idea of that video is that Mike Tyson was beating also no-name boxers. (video on Russian language, so those who are interested should turn on subs).

By the way, do not forget that Fury's victory over Klitschko is a purely paper victory in court - initially the result of this fight was canceled due to the fact that Fury used doping (nandrolone).

If Fury has cheated, then why after the fight Wladimir congratulated him with that victory, meaning he accepted that loss. Anyway, I dont remember Wladimir shouting he was robbed and asked a lot for a rematch.

Anyway, if this fight really happens, I wish the better and stronger fighter to win that fight in clear and dominant way. But not with judge help.

[JollyGood]

The way Fury is controlling the narrative is making me laugh  

He is basically saying he wants to sign a deal to fight Usyk in a £500 million deal or he will stay retired. Here are some of his words of wisdom:

Fury said: It’s the biggest fight in the world so it needs to be the biggest pay day in the world. Mayweather got £400million to fight Pacquiao, I want £500m

Fury said: I know they have got the money. They’ve offered Tiger Woods $1billion

Fury said: I have no real interest in Usyk. Some man that nobody can really say his name. A pumped-up middleweight.

Fury said: It’s not my fault he’s gone and battered AJ, some bodybuilder. It’s not my fault that happened twice in a row.

[fortunecrypto]

Fury said: It’s the biggest fight in the world so it needs to be the biggest pay day in the world. Mayweather got £400million to fight Pacquiao, I want £500m

Fury said: I know they have got the money. They’ve offered Tiger Woods $1billion

Fury said: I have no real interest in Usyk. Some man that nobody can really say his name. A pumped-up middleweight.

Fury said: It’s not my fault he’s gone and battered AJ, some bodybuilder. It’s not my fault that happened twice in a row.

Fury is playing hard to get, and while Usyk is very willing to fight Fury, Usyk has done what he cannot do because Fury is staying away from Joshua, whom Usyk beat twice in a row.

With so many up-and-coming heavyweight boxers people's interest will disappear, he should not ask for an outrageous amount and just unify the title then he can retire because he got all the belts, if he wants to stay retired, Usyk can eventually become the undisputed champion if he continues to fight, Fury may be great but its a big legacy if you are the undisputed title.

[TopTort777]

If usyk is really, as he himself says, ready to leave boxing after the fight with Fury, then I really hope that an exciting trilogy can come out of this, and no matter how things turn out, after that Usyk will really be able to say that he is leaving and it will be amazing with a good outcome.

Trilogy with AJ? Do you really think this is necessary? I think their recent fight showed everything. Specially with AJ saying "I dont know how you beat me". Honestly, I find it hard to believe Usyk vs Fury fight is going to happen. Fury has announced that he will fight only for a huge cheque. Usyk is not going to fall behind and would probably ask for a huge cheque also. In wont be a surprise, if their total reward will be 1 billion. 1 billion for a boxing fight. 1 billion is a an annual budget of some countries. Can promotors even afford that?

[aioc]

Fury is playing the money man he just gives a deadline for interested parties to put this fight until September 1 or he will just follow through on his retirement, he knows he is a hot item and the boxing community wants a unification bout and have one undisputed champion.

Tyson Fury gives September 1 deadline to secure undisputed unification with Oleksandr Usyk

He also wants proof of funds for this fight, for 500 million Pounds, I wonder who will be the promoter will come forward with that amount, so we'll wait until September 1 for any development.

[electronicash]

Fury is playing the money man he just gives a deadline for interested parties to put this fight until September 1 or he will just follow through on his retirement, he knows he is a hot item and the boxing community wants a unification bout and have one undisputed champion.

Tyson Fury gives September 1 deadline to secure undisputed unification with Oleksandr Usyk

He also wants proof of funds for this fight, for 500 million Pounds, I wonder who will be the promoter will come forward with that amount, so we'll wait until September 1 for any development.

its an ultimatum. he earns the right to demand after all he is the kind and this is going to be a very big event. such a huge amount though so what happens if the promoters couldn't show the money in 7 days?

promoters will also weight if the sales be enough now that economy is also in a downturn?
the fight will not happen in an instant anyway. if nothing pursues then its been a blast too.

[TravelMug]

Fury is playing the money man he just gives a deadline for interested parties to put this fight until September 1 or he will just follow through on his retirement, he knows he is a hot item and the boxing community wants a unification bout and have one undisputed champion.

Tyson Fury gives September 1 deadline to secure undisputed unification with Oleksandr Usyk

He also wants proof of funds for this fight, for 500 million Pounds, I wonder who will be the promoter will come forward with that amount, so we'll wait until September 1 for any development.

its an ultimatum. he earns the right to demand after all he is the kind and this is going to be a very big event. such a huge amount though so what happens if the promoters couldn't show the money in 7 days?

promoters will also weight if the sales be enough now that economy is also in a downturn?
the fight will not happen in an instant anyway. if nothing pursues then its been a blast too.

Damn, that is huge money so not sure if they can afford that 500 million pounds. The only one that maybe can bring that money is the rich person somewhere in the Middle East - Saudi Arabia. The same venue that Usyk and Joshua fight. And if any case, I don't think that Arum can give that to Fury, although negotiations might be very smooth because as per Arum he is friends with Usyk manager or to that effect. So it is just the money that will be the 'problem'.

[Kemarit]

Fury is playing the money man he just gives a deadline for interested parties to put this fight until September 1 or he will just follow through on his retirement, he knows he is a hot item and the boxing community wants a unification bout and have one undisputed champion.

Tyson Fury gives September 1 deadline to secure undisputed unification with Oleksandr Usyk

He also wants proof of funds for this fight, for 500 million Pounds, I wonder who will be the promoter will come forward with that amount, so we'll wait until September 1 for any development.

its an ultimatum. he earns the right to demand after all he is the kind and this is going to be a very big event. such a huge amount though so what happens if the promoters couldn't show the money in 7 days?

promoters will also weight if the sales be enough now that economy is also in a downturn?
the fight will not happen in an instant anyway. if nothing pursues then its been a blast too.

Yeah, an ultimatum, but you know what, Fury is really good at it, let's say the 500 million pounds is not met, what will happen? obviously there could be negotiations and maybe the price could be lower or terms could be other terms that could amount that kind of money for him.

So it's a good tactics for him, trying to let the public know much money he wanted and then weigh on how much money he can really get in the end, win-win situation.

[aioc]

Fury is playing the money man he just gives a deadline for interested parties to put this fight until September 1 or he will just follow through on his retirement, he knows he is a hot item and the boxing community wants a unification bout and have one undisputed champion.

Tyson Fury gives September 1 deadline to secure undisputed unification with Oleksandr Usyk

He also wants proof of funds for this fight, for 500 million Pounds, I wonder who will be the promoter will come forward with that amount, so we'll wait until September 1 for any development.

its an ultimatum. he earns the right to demand after all he is the kind and this is going to be a very big event. such a huge amount though so what happens if the promoters couldn't show the money in 7 days?

promoters will also weight if the sales be enough now that economy is also in a downturn?
the fight will not happen in an instant anyway. if nothing pursues then its been a blast too.

Yeah, an ultimatum, but you know what, Fury is really good at it, let's say the 500 million pounds is not met, what will happen? obviously there could be negotiations and maybe the price could be lower or terms could be other terms that could amount that kind of money for him.

So it's a good tactics for him, trying to let the public know much money he wanted and then weigh on how much money he can really get in the end, win-win situation.

Interested promoters can co-promote this fight but I doubt if Arum will agree to co-promote it with DAZN, he even calls DAZN, a dead zone in the past, and Saudi Arabia is another good venue to hold this fight there are rich people who can do this promotion but I doubt if they will bite 500 million pounds they will negotiate and convince Fury to lower his price, but how about Usyk he should get a good price too he is holding four titles, WBA, IBF, IBO and ring magazine how come the guy holding one title will just the one demanding price, Usyk can also demand.

[lionheart78]

Fury is playing the money man he just gives a deadline for interested parties to put this fight until September 1 or he will just follow through on his retirement, he knows he is a hot item and the boxing community wants a unification bout and have one undisputed champion.

Tyson Fury gives September 1 deadline to secure undisputed unification with Oleksandr Usyk

He also wants proof of funds for this fight, for 500 million Pounds, I wonder who will be the promoter will come forward with that amount, so we'll wait until September 1 for any development.

its an ultimatum. he earns the right to demand after all he is the kind and this is going to be a very big event. such a huge amount though so what happens if the promoters couldn't show the money in 7 days?

promoters will also weight if the sales be enough now that economy is also in a downturn?
the fight will not happen in an instant anyway. if nothing pursues then its been a blast too.

Fury is still young to retire at age 34, there are lots of fights he can do and earn more money, but I think this action of Fury is certain that he really wanted that match finalized and wanted to secure the fund to avoid unnecessary process/wait after the fight.

With regards to the fight, it looks like this one will be a tough fight for USYK since statistics all point to FURY having an advantage.  That 7 inches reach advantage of Fury will be the deciding factor in this fight if Usyk fails to come up with a counter strategy since Fury really knows how to capitalize on this reach advantage.  Besides fury had stopped his last four opponents while Usyk has 3 of his last 4 fights ended in a decision.

[Welsh]

Fury is the favourite for a knockout, and the decision win in my book. I think he'll do it in style though. Usyk was hurt multiple times by Joshua, and I think Fury can put more pressure on Usyk, and use his size advantage to tire out Usyk, and prevent him from moving so much, something that Joshua didn't implement into his game plan.

I definitely can't see Usyk knocking out Fury, but crazier things have happened I suppose. I do feel he'll struggle a little more with the height difference though, and Fury is the type of fighter to lean on you like I previously mentioned.

I'm just hoping it gets made, and doesn't get cancelled like the Joshua vs Fury fight. Obviously, that was due to the Wilder fight, but I seriously don't trust boxing to make the fights that need to happen, actually happen.

[Baofeng]

Fury is the favourite for a knockout, and the decision win in my book. I think he'll do it in style though. Usyk was hurt multiple times by Joshua, and I think Fury can put more pressure on Usyk, and use his size advantage to tire out Usyk, and prevent him from moving so much, something that Joshua didn't implement into his game plan.

I definitely can't see Usyk knocking out Fury, but crazier things have happened I suppose. I do feel he'll struggle a little more with the height difference though, and Fury is the type of fighter to lean on you like I previously mentioned.

Yes, that's what I also said before, the height and reach advantage might be too much for Usyk to overcome and he will struggle if Fury will used his weight against Usyk throughout the fight and take that energy from him. The same game plan he had against Wilder, whenever Deontay was cornered, Fury will put all the weight on Wilder until it's too much and he is softened already and ready to be taken out.

I'm just hoping it gets made, and doesn't get cancelled like the Joshua vs Fury fight. Obviously, that was due to the Wilder fight, but I seriously don't trust boxing to make the fights that need to happen, actually happen.

That is the other thing, if everyone involved is not going to get the money they want, the fight might not actually happen and starts to point at each other as the reasons for the fight not being made.

[Welsh]

That is the other thing, if everyone involved is not going to get the money they want, the fight might not actually happen and starts to point at each other as the reasons for the fight not being made.

Which is usually what happens with these types of fights. It's partly the reason I've actually lost interest in boxing as a whole. I only tune in for the heavyweight fights now, and usually Joshua, or Fury fights, despite not being a fan of Joshua I do like to route against him quite a bit .

In the UFC you have big fights all the time, but I think boxing are too concerned with building up their fighters with a zero on their record, that they end up doing that at the end of their careers too. In the UFC people expect you to lose at some point.

Obviously, Joshua has lost so that doesn't apply, but it's the other issue of actually getting an answer to a question which has been asked for the last few years, which is who's the best of this era, Joshua or Fury. Obviously, Usyk has since entered that equation. Although, Usyk certainly didn't look unbeatable the other night.

[robelneo]

I'm just hoping it gets made, and doesn't get cancelled like the Joshua vs Fury fight. Obviously, that was due to the Wilder fight, but I seriously don't trust boxing to make the fights that need to happen, actually happen.

Boxing is in a sorry state, because of promoters' decision to get their fighters to fight in the house which means they can only fight fighters that are in their contracts they cannot fight other fighters that are on other promotions, like the Bivol - Beterbiev, the Joshua- Fury, and the Spence - Crawford, they want to keep their cash cow and their goose that lays a golden egg, in the case of Fury, he wants to have more because he is still hot and Usyk is hot and the boxing community always want to settle who is the real champion, this is a hard match to make when boxers are asking for heaven and promoters wants a huge slice of profit, but we'll see in the coming days, Fury has given the deadline.

[Cling18]

I'm just hoping it gets made, and doesn't get cancelled like the Joshua vs Fury fight. Obviously, that was due to the Wilder fight, but I seriously don't trust boxing to make the fights that need to happen, actually happen.

Boxing is in a sorry state, because of promoters' decision to get their fighters to fight in the house which means they can only fight fighters that are in their contracts they cannot fight other fighters that are on other promotions, like the Bivol - Beterbiev, the Joshua- Fury, and the Spence - Crawford, they want to keep their cash cow and their goose that lays a golden egg, in the case of Fury, he wants to have more because he is still hot and Usyk is hot and the boxing community always want to settle who is the real champion, this is a hard match to make when boxers are asking for heaven and promoters wants a huge slice of profit, but we'll see in the coming days, Fury has given the deadline.

It will take months to years before this will be finalized. The moment promoters give  in to what Fury is asking, Usyk will also realize that promoters are dying to see them in the ring so why shouln't he demand more as well?

I remember Pacquiao vs Mayweather took years because of the negotiation and all that Floyd do is keep the trashtalks to keep the hype.

Many fans and supporters are looking forward to their match. This could be one of the best matches this year. Fury obviously has a better experience and record than Usyk so I guess he'll be the favorable one here since he has more supporters. It will be a challenge for Usyk but an opportunity at the same time because he is able to make a good noise on the boxing ring.

[fortunecrypto]

I'm just hoping it gets made, and doesn't get cancelled like the Joshua vs Fury fight. Obviously, that was due to the Wilder fight, but I seriously don't trust boxing to make the fights that need to happen, actually happen.

Boxing is in a sorry state, because of promoters' decision to get their fighters to fight in the house which means they can only fight fighters that are in their contracts they cannot fight other fighters that are on other promotions, like the Bivol - Beterbiev, the Joshua- Fury, and the Spence - Crawford, they want to keep their cash cow and their goose that lays a golden egg, in the case of Fury, he wants to have more because he is still hot and Usyk is hot and the boxing community always want to settle who is the real champion, this is a hard match to make when boxers are asking for heaven and promoters wants a huge slice of profit, but we'll see in the coming days, Fury has given the deadline.

It will take months to years before this will be finalized. The moment promoters give  in to what Fury is asking, Usyk will also realize that promoters are dying to see them in the ring so why shouln't he demand more as well?

I remember Pacquiao vs Mayweather took years because of the negotiation and all that Floyd do is keep the trashtalks to keep the hype.

Will Usyk accept half of what Tyson is asking I don't think so he has four titles and he is staking all four titles so if ever the combined price of these two fighters could go up to 800 million pounds plus the undercard rate this will be the highest paying boxing events but is it worth it, will promoters make it happen, promoters will have to calculate the risk and the profit if it's really worth it, sometimes its greediness is what deprives the boxing community of great fights, we really missed the 70's, 80's and 90's boxers they go for legacy not just for money.

[Daltonik]

Fury changes his mind several times a day, so I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow he agrees to fight for at least $1 billion, and a day later he says that he will fight for free and will send the entire fee to help Ukraine, although it would be a great humanitarian act on his part.

[smartaction]

Fury changes his mind several times a day, so I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow he agrees to fight for at least $1 billion, and a day later he says that he will fight for free and will send the entire fee to help Ukraine, although it would be a great humanitarian act on his part.

It will indeed be a humanitarian task.  If they do it . But I'm not entirely optimistic about it.  Because they sometimes change their decision. But if they really do, it will be a great find for Ukraine. And they will greatly benefit from it

[Boristhecat]

Fury changes his mind several times a day, so I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow he agrees to fight for at least $1 billion, and a day later he says that he will fight for free and will send the entire fee to help Ukraine, although it would be a great humanitarian act on his part.

I don't think that Fury often changes his mind - all these words and loud statements are a reminder of himself and marketing. As far as the fight fee he wants, it's obvious that no one is going to pay that amount. Therefore, this is either another "scandalous" statement to attract attention, or an attempt to get more money out of the organizers, or an attempt to leave without accusations of cowardice (maybe he is really afraid of Usyk and is ready to fight him only for very big money).

[abel1337]

Definitely I'll go with Fury as most of us did according to the poll. I Just watched the Usyk vs Joshua fight and I think Joshua can possibly win that fight if he had that that stamina that can make him keep up with Usyk. Fury is on an advantage in giving knock outs and I think it's possible that when they fight, we can see a knock out. Though Fury is at advantage at knock out, Usyk can possibly do the same as he is good at timing and has a good brain in boxing.

[serjent05]

Fury changes his mind several times a day, so I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow he agrees to fight for at least $1 billion, and a day later he says that he will fight for free and will send the entire fee to help Ukraine, although it would be a great humanitarian act on his part.

I don't think that Fury often changes his mind - all these words and loud statements are a reminder of himself and marketing. As far as the fight fee he wants, it's obvious that no one is going to pay that amount. Therefore, this is either another "scandalous" statement to attract attention, or an attempt to get more money out of the organizers, or an attempt to leave without accusations of cowardice (maybe he is really afraid of Usyk and is ready to fight him only for very big money).

Fury had fought lots of tough opponents and some of them, I think are better than Usyk so I never think that Fury is afraid of Usyk,  But yeah, that loud statement might be a marketing approach to make himself worth more and get the attention of more people.

Definitely I'll go with Fury as most of us did according to the poll. I Just watched the Usyk vs Joshua fight and I think Joshua can possibly win that fight if he had that that stamina that can make him keep up with Usyk. Fury is on an advantage in giving knock outs and I think it's possible that when they fight, we can see a knock out. Though Fury is at advantage at knock out, Usyk can possibly do the same as he is good at timing and has a good brain in boxing.

Well, Fury is the favorite because of his previous fight performance, plus he has the statistical advantage over Usyk but we know an upset win happens.

[coin-investor]

Fury changes his mind several times a day, so I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow he agrees to fight for at least $1 billion, and a day later he says that he will fight for free and will send the entire fee to help Ukraine, although it would be a great humanitarian act on his part.

I hope when he changes his mind to fight free, a promoter will sign him right away, but the way he partying and spending his money like what Mayweather is doing he will need to keep it up, so he will eventually agree to fight Usyk, he just wants an upper hand in the negotiation, he knows that people are going to ask for a match up for the unification of the title and for the undisputed and greatest boxer of all time, so he wants to be in a good side of the bargain by telling right away what his price will be and giving it a deadline, he is a good businessman too and he knows his value.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Fury changes his mind several times a day, so I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow he agrees to fight for at least $1 billion, and a day later he says that he will fight for free and will send the entire fee to help Ukraine, although it would be a great humanitarian act on his part.

I hope when he changes his mind to fight free, a promoter will sign him right away, but the way he partying and spending his money like what Mayweather is doing he will need to keep it up, so he will eventually agree to fight Usyk, he just wants an upper hand in the negotiation, he knows that people are going to ask for a match up for the unification of the title and for the undisputed and greatest boxer of all time, so he wants to be in a good side of the bargain by telling right away what his price will be and giving it a deadline, he is a good businessman too and he knows his value.

He will definitely have the upper hand in negotiations, after all he will be the A-side in this fight with Usyk. I really don't know how he spend his money, but I'm hinting that at least he have some good investments as we alll know that sooner or later he will have to retire. And maybe he has financial advisors at his side.

Nevertheless, his asking money might be a boxing record for his prize fight, the guaranteed money alone, and then we still have the PPV numbers. Usyk is really an elite boxer no doubt about it, but I will still favor Fury.

[robelneo]

I have bad news for all of us, it seems Fury is just taking us all for a ride with his demand but the truth is he will have an up-and-coming series “At Home with the Furys”,

It will feature "exclusive access to the heavyweight champion of the world as he exits the ring and tries to embrace retirement with his extraordinary family". if Fury does choose to come out of retirement to face Usyk, his training camp could clash with Netflix's filming schedule.
Either he goes ahead with the Usyk bout in December or postpones it until next year in order to film the Netflix show.

Tyson Fury’s Netflix series could scupper December date for Oleksandr Usyk fight as directors want to film retired life

This could be the reason why wants to hurry up the negotiation and put up a price because he is still going to make money with the series although there is no disclosed amount on how much he is going to get on the series.
We have so many to watch out for these two fighters if they are going to move mountains just to meet in the ring.

[Welsh]

I have bad news for all of us, it seems Fury is just taking us all for a ride with his demand but the truth is he will have an up-and-coming series “At Home with the Furys”,

Well, that's not what we want to hear, although I do recall his previous documentary actually being pretty decent. I can't remember what that is called, so not sure if it's related or not. That was basically about his home life, and how he copes with mental health. Sounds like this proposed series will be along the same lines.

I would've thought that the series could be delayed though, and I imagine there would be more interest in the series if they can market it on fight night to millions of people, but that's just me. I would've thought that the boxing purse would be higher than the Netflix one too.

[JollyGood]

Fury will have his focus purely on any potential unification fight which will place him alongside the greatest heavyweight boxers before him. Things will never be the same again after Fury and family become part of a reality show, it will be difficult for him to be taken seriously again.

Any reality show might happen after he retires but even then what purpose will it serve him?

I have bad news for all of us, it seems Fury is just taking us all for a ride with his demand but the truth is he will have an up-and-coming series “At Home with the Furys”,

Well, that's not what we want to hear, although I do recall his previous documentary actually being pretty decent. I can't remember what that is called, so not sure if it's related or not. That was basically about his home life, and how he copes with mental health. Sounds like this proposed series will be along the same lines.

I would've thought that the series could be delayed though, and I imagine there would be more interest in the series if they can market it on fight night to millions of people, but that's just me. I would've thought that the boxing purse would be higher than the Netflix one too.

[Welsh]

Fury will have his focus purely on any potential unification fight which will place him alongside the greatest heavyweight boxers before him. Things will never be the same again after Fury and family become part of a reality show, it will be difficult for him to be taken seriously again.

Any reality show might happen after he retires but even then what purpose will it serve him?

I guess he's setting up his life after boxing, and considering how he's been quite vocal about his life without boxing, and how it affects his mental health, I think looking for an alternative or something to keep him occupied is a good thing.

I'm not against the show, I just want to see the fights. Joshua, and Usyk ideally, and then he can drive off into the sunset, and do whatever show he wants. I just don't want to be robbed of not knowing who's best for definite, even though I'm a firm believer that Fury is the best of this era.

[bittraffic]

Fury will have his focus purely on any potential unification fight which will place him alongside the greatest heavyweight boxers before him. Things will never be the same again after Fury and family become part of a reality show, it will be difficult for him to be taken seriously again.

Any reality show might happen after he retires but even then what purpose will it serve him?

I guess he's setting up his life after boxing, and considering how he's been quite vocal about his life without boxing, and how it affects his mental health, I think looking for an alternative or something to keep him occupied is a good thing.

I'm not against the show, I just want to see the fights. Joshua, and Usyk ideally, and then he can drive off into the sunset, and do whatever show he wants. I just don't want to be robbed of not knowing who's best for definite, even though I'm a firm believer that Fury is the best of this era.

Fury having a show and an alternative to his career changes everything at the table for the Arum and the demand is indeed real with little room for negotiation, they have two knockers who will be squeezing money from them. I really see this fight not happening anymore until they both need the money or we can only see Usyk fighting someone else.

[Fundamentals Of]

It's hard to imagine how Usyk could inflict enough power on as big an opponent as Fury. If Usyk prefers to keep the distance, Fury has a reach advantage to earn points and make setup jabs for a powerful straight. If Usyk prefers to keep it close and slug it out against the much bigger man, Fury could do what he did to Wilder and other opponents, put his weight on him and drain his strength. Usyk should avoid clinches but he should also close the distance for him to connect hard. And it seems a hard thing to execute.

[fortunecrypto]

I have bad news for all of us, it seems Fury is just taking us all for a ride with his demand but the truth is he will have an up-and-coming series “At Home with the Furys”,

Well, that's not what we want to hear, although I do recall his previous documentary actually being pretty decent. I can't remember what that is called, so not sure if it's related or not. That was basically about his home life, and how he copes with mental health. Sounds like this proposed series will be along the same lines.

I would've thought that the series could be delayed though, and I imagine there would be more interest in the series if they can market it on fight night to millions of people, but that's just me. I would've thought that the boxing purse would be higher than the Netflix one too.

I have a feeling that it is bait they just released news about the new series about his retirement, and many are not aware of it Fury's camp wants the offer coming and the deal done right away, he is very specific about what he wants and even put a deadline on it, of all the fights since he comes back this could be an easy fight for him, in terms of style and size he has the edge but he wants to make the most of it, I figure that he will eventually sign and will get a good paycheck but not really what he first demanded.

[wxa7115]

I also voted for Fury to win the unification fight. Of course Usyk will be bring something that maybe Fury hasn't face before, he is a technical boxer and uses a lot of movement.

But I think Fury will rely on his advantage, his height and length and his ring IQ to solved Usyk and maybe this fight will go to distance with a MD or SD win for Tyson Fury.

There is no doubt in my mind that this fight of Fury and Usyk will be something that we have not seen in a very long time, when people watch a heavyweight fight most the time they are expecting for the big punches and a huge knockout happening.

But both Fury and Usyk are very technical fighters so I'm quite interested in watching this particular fight, however Fury has an advantage when it comes to height, weight and reach, so I think it is going to be quite problematic for Usyk to overcome those disadvantages and get the win, which is why I voted for Fury to win.

[Kemarit]

It's hard to imagine how Usyk could inflict enough power on as big an opponent as Fury. If Usyk prefers to keep the distance, Fury has a reach advantage to earn points and make setup jabs for a powerful straight. If Usyk prefers to keep it close and slug it out against the much bigger man, Fury could do what he did to Wilder and other opponents, put his weight on him and drain his strength. Usyk should avoid clinches but he should also close the distance for him to connect hard. And it seems a hard thing to execute.

Yes, he will be in the dilemma for this fight, it seems that his strategy will not work or at least what he did against AJ. And he is not Klitschko by any means, or even Cunnigham that gave Fury one of his toughest fight. Cunningham is a good boxer, might not be the same as Usyk though. But we all know that Tyson has evolved so much that I would say that there is no blue print to beat him unless you really have that power, a one punch knock out, and I don't think that Usyk has that kind of power.

[aioc]

Fury will have his focus purely on any potential unification fight which will place him alongside the greatest heavyweight boxers before him. Things will never be the same again after Fury and family become part of a reality show, it will be difficult for him to be taken seriously again.

Any reality show might happen after he retires but even then what purpose will it serve him?

I guess he's setting up his life after boxing, and considering how he's been quite vocal about his life without boxing, and how it affects his mental health, I think looking for an alternative or something to keep him occupied is a good thing.

I'm not against the show, I just want to see the fights. Joshua, and Usyk ideally, and then he can drive off into the sunset, and do whatever show he wants. I just don't want to be robbed of not knowing who's best for definite, even though I'm a firm believer that Fury is the best of this era.

On paper he is but everything is validated in the ring, the boxing experts can only speculate Fury has nothing to worry about because of his size, skill, and popularity he is a standout, he needs this thing done, after this fight what more he can ask for and what can the community ask for, he can retire and we will all be glad and happy to see him retire, he can do two Netflix series party all night and do globe-trotting but this thing can't wait.

[lionheart78]

It's hard to imagine how Usyk could inflict enough power on as big an opponent as Fury. If Usyk prefers to keep the distance, Fury has a reach advantage to earn points and make setup jabs for a powerful straight. If Usyk prefers to keep it close and slug it out against the much bigger man, Fury could do what he did to Wilder and other opponents, put his weight on him and drain his strength. Usyk should avoid clinches but he should also close the distance for him to connect hard. And it seems a hard thing to execute.

This is where the camp comes in. Usyk's camp can analyze Fury's fights and find loopholes and weaknesses in his defense and study patterns of Fury's offense.  He can also learn the right angle to approach Fury.  I think there is no great boxer if their opponent happens to learn their weaknesses and boxing offense pattern.  Just like how Barrera outplayed the crowd favorite Naseem Hamed when Barrera learned and exploit the angle where Naseem is vulnerable.  Another example is how Marquez Ko'd Pacquiao in their 4th fight. 

It is a hard task indeed but it is not impossible.

[TopTort777]

In case someone will start "Fury is to big and Usyk is to small, and he is a cruiserweight" - Usyk has same height and weight as Muhammad Ali  Usyk is even a bit heavier than Mike Tyson. I hope that will stop all talks about Usyk being not real heavyweight. Real huge heavyweight boxer is Nikolai Valuev.

The great example of future Fury vs Usyk fight will be Ali vs Foreman fight. I might even say that it could be a copy of that old fight, but on higher speed.

[Welsh]

In case someone will start "Fury is to big and Usyk is to small, and he is a cruiserweight" - Usyk has same height and weight as Muhammad Ali  Usyk is even a bit heavier than Mike Tyson. I hope that will stop all talks about Usyk being not real heavyweight. Real huge heavyweight boxer is Nikolai Valuev.

The great example of future Fury vs Usyk fight will be Ali vs Foreman fight. I might even say that it could be a copy of that old fight, but on higher speed.

That might be true, but Fury is massive. Not the typical heavyweight which is something that should be highlighted. Fury is not only a absolute massive guy, he's fast, and quite agile for someone his size. Honestly, he's quite agile for heavyweight let alone his size.

Fury has the physical advantage, and that shouldn't be underestimated, especially since like I mentioned before, Fury really does use that to his advantage in his fights. He likes to lean on his opponents, and Usyk hasn't really had that whilst he's been in the heavyweight division. I'm not even sure why Joshua didn't do it.

[BitcoinPanther]

The great example of future Fury vs Usyk fight will be Ali vs Foreman fight. I might even say that it could be a copy of that old fight, but on higher speed.

But the thing is Usyk is not Ali and Fury is not Foreman.  That debunks the idea that the fight will go like Ali vs. Foreman  because they have different fight style and have different constitution and most of all they are different people.  But I never remove the possibility of Usyk winning its that statistics wise, Fury have the advantage.  It does generate some thought but of course the result will be seen on the canvas when the two boxer actually meet.

[coin-investor]

In case someone will start "Fury is to big and Usyk is to small, and he is a cruiserweight" - Usyk has same height and weight as Muhammad Ali  Usyk is even a bit heavier than Mike Tyson. I hope that will stop all talks about Usyk being not real heavyweight. Real huge heavyweight boxer is Nikolai Valuev.

The great example of future Fury vs Usyk fight will be Ali vs Foreman fight. I might even say that it could be a copy of that old fight, but on higher speed.

That might be true, but Fury is massive. Not the typical heavyweight which is something that should be highlighted. Fury is not only a absolute massive guy, he's fast, and quite agile for someone his size. Honestly, he's quite agile for heavyweight let alone his size.

Fury is a new breed of heavyweight, there's no heavyweight in the past that was as huge and as fast and as agile as Fury he can in fact considered as a super heavyweight who moves like a lightweight.

Fury has the physical advantage, and that shouldn't be underestimated, especially since as I mentioned before, Fury really does use that to his advantage in his fights. He likes to lean on his opponents, and Usyk hasn't really had that whilst he's been in the heavyweight division. I'm not even sure why Joshua didn't do it.

One of the heavyweights who uses his weight by leaning against his opponent is Lennox Lewis, he has done it in so many of his fight, and this tire his opponents, if you're big and you know how to use that advantage the guy who is smaller than you are is in big trouble, something Joshua did not or failed to do in the two matches against Usyk.

[Boristhecat]

I don't think that Fury often changes his mind - all these words and loud statements are a reminder of himself and marketing. As far as the fight fee he wants, it's obvious that no one is going to pay that amount. Therefore, this is either another "scandalous" statement to attract attention, or an attempt to get more money out of the organizers, or an attempt to leave without accusations of cowardice (maybe he is really afraid of Usyk and is ready to fight him only for very big money).

Fury had fought lots of tough opponents and some of them, I think are better than Usyk so I never think that Fury is afraid of Usyk,  But yeah, that loud statement might be a marketing approach to make himself worth more and get the attention of more people.

The question is not whether he is afraid of him or not, but in the ratio of what is at stake in the battle. Let's say Fury beats Usyk - what difference does that make for Fury who wants to go undefeated as a grand champion? Nothing since everyone will say that he won due to more weight. What happens if Usyk wins? It will be a complete disaster for Fury and the destruction of his entire legacy. Therefore, he is ready to take such a risk (even if it is small) only for very big money. In my opinion, from the point of view of game theory and the risk/profit ratio, this is the right decision.

[YuginKadoya]

This will be a bigger fight that is for sure but Tyson Fury promises to fight Alexander Usyk for half a billion pounds which will be £500 Million, for me Alexander Usyk is a faster fighter he can surely give a volume of punches on Tyson Fury, while Tyson Fury is a bigger opponent for Usyk, and one punch from Fury and that is the end for Usyk, but I really think that Tyson Fury is also a technical fighter and his fight IQ is really brilliant although Usyk will surely have the speed if Tyson Fury can see he timing for Usyk's punches and he can time it with Tyson Fury's own punches then we can likely to see Fury can knock out Usyk, Anthony Joshua really had a hard time with Usyk so it could be a volume of punches for Usyk to win the fight, so for Tyson Fury, his technical timing and one shot punch could likely knock Usyk down, and with a KO/TKO, while Alexander Usyk can win this with his technical speed and volume of punches to win this via Decision,

[robelneo]

We boxing fans love to speculate and to do a comparison on fighters from different eras and fighters we all would like to see in the ring, but honestly, this is one fight that is hard to speculate, people are saying different things when they Usyk fought Joshua and when Usyk is in the upper hand they praised him for his skill and toughness, the match up can be considered in favor of Fury, but Usyk has a great corner and has a high motivation because of what's happening in his country, he is more battle-tested than Fury, but all our prediction and speculation will end when these two fighters meet in the ring.

[Cryptomultiplier]

The fight between Fury and Usyk ain't gonna be where popcorn is served. It's gonna be hot. It's like two elephants fighting. If Usyk is going to destroy Fury, he should learn a.s.a.p how to evade those powerful wide blows. Once fury traps him into a corner, he ain't going to see where the punches come from. Usyk is very skillfull however and it is coupled with the fact he is much more aggressive than Joshua that made him win. With his skill, pace and aggression I doubt he could win Fury. That guy is a mountain of aggression himself.

[Shamm]

This is a good match up in heavyweight division as we all know that these two fighter is undefeated and very strong but in this fight as I observe the most favorite fighter is no other than Tyson furry, and yes we all know how he plays so without a doubt many people or gambler will support his fight but I think this is not an easy one for Tyson furry beacause his opponent USYK is undefeated and a hood record in his career too. So this will be a good and exciting fight.

[Inwestour]

One of the heavyweights who uses his weight by leaning against his opponent is Lennox Lewis, he has done it in so many of his fight, and this tire his opponents, if you're big and you know how to use that advantage the guy who is smaller than you are is in big trouble, something Joshua did not or failed to do in the two matches against Usyk.

Watch the fight again, Usik just dodged and immediately tried to drop the AJ from himself, so this trick does not work against Usik. The threat from Fury in close combat is such that he tries to hit from the clinch, look how many times he did it in a fight with Wilder. For me, there is no clear favorite in this fight, I can’t say that Fury will win because he is bigger or heavier, Usyk is hard to get into, he knows how to dodge well.

[serjent05]

The question is not whether he is afraid of him or not, but in the ratio of what is at stake in the battle. Let's say Fury beats Usyk - what difference does that make for Fury who wants to go undefeated as a grand champion? Nothing since everyone will say that he won due to more weight. What happens if Usyk wins? It will be a complete disaster for Fury and the destruction of his entire legacy. Therefore, he is ready to take such a risk (even if it is small) only for very big money. In my opinion, from the point of view of game theory and the risk/profit ratio, this is the right decision.

I highly agree with you, Fury wanted to have a bigger share of the pie,  well all boxers wanted to have a bigger share especially when he is higher in ranking.  Though I don't think Fury has nothing to gain if ever he defeated Usyk.  Defeating Usyk will strengthen Fury's legacy.

One of the heavyweights who uses his weight by leaning against his opponent is Lennox Lewis, he has done it in so many of his fight, and this tire his opponents, if you're big and you know how to use that advantage the guy who is smaller than you are is in big trouble, something Joshua did not or failed to do in the two matches against Usyk.

Watch the fight again, Usik just dodged and immediately tried to drop the AJ from himself, so this trick does not work against Usik. The threat from Fury in close combat is such that he tries to hit from the clinch, look how many times he did it in a fight with Wilder. For me, there is no clear favorite in this fight, I can’t say that Fury will win because he is bigger or heavier, Usyk is hard to get into, he knows how to dodge well.

Well, if this is so (Usyk good at dodging), then the more exciting the fight will be.  It is indeed a strategy of Fury to throw punches during clinch but I think Usyk will have an advantage in this since Usyk is shorter and needed a shorter distance to throw and hit his opponent as long as the hands of Usyk is on the right place to throw short punches during clinch.

[Welsh]

Fury is a new breed of heavyweight, there's no heavyweight in the past that was as huge and as fast and as agile as Fury he can in fact considered as a super heavyweight who moves like a lightweight.

Funny that you say that, since a lot of people claim the same for Usyk. Although, for me Fury is the superior technical boxer, but I know a lot of people will argue against that. It's easy to look a bit clumsy when you're bigger, and to be honest Fury does a good job of it, and is very technical. I think his large size takes away from that a bit at times. Plus, he does have a history of trying different tactics.

Usyk is good, but he hasn't been tested enough for me. Honestly, Joshua to me was the easiest route, and this second fight wasn't as dominant as the first. So, I have quite a lot of confidence in Fury getting the win.

[Ziskinberg]

Usyk is good, but he hasn't been tested enough for me. Honestly, Joshua to me was the easiest route, and this second fight wasn't as dominant as the first. So, I have quite a lot of confidence in Fury getting the win.

I guess Usyk will have a harder journey if it was Wilder whom he fought, Joshua caught him with some clean shots but he was able to stand, so the power of Joshua is not that strong compared to Wilder IMO.

I'm not sure if it's official, but according to the site below, Tyson Fury is heavily favored, so we can tell what the public are thinking about this fight.

https://www.covers.com/boxing/oleksandr-usyk-vs-tyson-fury-odds

Favorite   Odds   Underdog   Odds
Tyson Fury   -280   Oleksandr Usyk   +220

[JollyGood]

It can be difficult to understand why Fury does the things he does and says the things he says making it difficult to work him out but most probably Fury will always be on the lookout to get in the ring for a unification fight to make the big money and then will get out. Fury does not come across as the sort of person that will box for years to come therefore he will need other activities to keep busy and keep the money rolling in.

Has it been confirmed though about a reality show and deal really been signed with a broadcasting company? I think if it did go ahead both Mr and Mrs Fury will be very much at home having camera crews around them 

I guess he's setting up his life after boxing, and considering how he's been quite vocal about his life without boxing, and how it affects his mental health, I think looking for an alternative or something to keep him occupied is a good thing.

I'm not against the show, I just want to see the fights. Joshua, and Usyk ideally, and then he can drive off into the sunset, and do whatever show he wants. I just don't want to be robbed of not knowing who's best for definite, even though I'm a firm believer that Fury is the best of this era.

[KTChampions]

STEP ASIDE ‘Tell that dosser to get to the back of the queue’, says Tyson Fury in response to Deontay Wilder saying he wants title fight (with Usyk - my note)

Dumb-headed Fury admitted that he is in queue (like other contenders) to fight Usyk 
Now it will be difficult for him to negotiate a fight from the position “I am great and undefeated, therefore accept my conditions”, since it is obvious that Usyk is no less in demand and can negotiate at least on an equal footing. I think that this is a big failure of Fury's management - the long tongue of the blockhead played against himself.

[Baofeng]

I saw this on my feed,

Report: Fury-Usyk Targeted For February, Super Bowl Weekend, In Middle East; 50-50 Purse Split ‘Is A Given’

According to Mark Kriegel of ESPN, the heavyweight title unification bout between WBC champion Tyson Fury of England and WBO, WBA, IBO and IBF champion Oleksandr Usyk of Ukraine may air on the same weekend––or the week after––of the NFL’s 57th Super Bowl, with the Middle East as the "most likely" location for the fight.

Kriegel, citing unnamed sources and conversations with Bob Arum, the head of Top Rank which promotes Fury, sounded a note of optimism about the chances for seeing the historic match-up, especially because, according to Kriegel, there does not appear to be any disagreement regarding the purse split for the fighters. An Usyk-Fury fight would have to be televised by ESPN, as the network has an exclusive broadcasting arrangement with Top Rank

https://www.boxingscene.com/report-fury-usyk-targeted-february-super-bowl-weekend-middle-east-50-50-purse-split-given--168679

And they have negotiated now? But let's see, it's on the week of the biggest sporting event in the US, although the venue of the fight will be in the Middle East.

So I'm not sure how it will sit up with their fans who want to watch the fight at least live. Nevertheless, their is PPV so it could be the best options for US fans.

[TopTort777]

In case someone will start "Fury is to big and Usyk is to small, and he is a cruiserweight" - Usyk has same height and weight as Muhammad Ali  Usyk is even a bit heavier than Mike Tyson. I hope that will stop all talks about Usyk being not real heavyweight. Real huge heavyweight boxer is Nikolai Valuev.

The great example of future Fury vs Usyk fight will be Ali vs Foreman fight. I might even say that it could be a copy of that old fight, but on higher speed.

That might be true, but Fury is massive. Not the typical heavyweight which is something that should be highlighted. Fury is not only a absolute massive guy, he's fast, and quite agile for someone his size. Honestly, he's quite agile for heavyweight let alone his size.

Fury has the physical advantage, and that shouldn't be underestimated, especially since like I mentioned before, Fury really does use that to his advantage in his fights. He likes to lean on his opponents, and Usyk hasn't really had that whilst he's been in the heavyweight division. I'm not even sure why Joshua didn't do it.

I know only one massive boxer - Nikolai Valuev. He was as huge as Fury, as strong as Fury, but slow as sloth. I am actually shocked that Fury is able to fight for 12 rounds and his gas tank isnt empty after first half of the fight. Indeed Fury likes dirty boxing to make his opponent exhausted. That would be hard to do against Usyk, as I think Usyk will try to ran away from that. Or, which most probably would happen, Fury will simply use his reach advantage 216cm, against Usyks 198cm. Fury can poke Usyk with jabs and every jab of a man that size really hurts.

[Cryptmuster]

Yesterday I saw a video on YouTube where the reporter says Usyk that Fury said that he would fight him for 500 million, Usyk just laughed. To this, he replied that he also wanted 500 million, and said that Fury was simply afraid of him. I don't like Fury as an athlete and as a person, he can refuse a rematch (as he did with Klitschko), citing mental problems, or something like that. Such a person does not deserve to remain invincible.

[robelneo]

I saw this on my feed,

Report: Fury-Usyk Targeted For February, Super Bowl Weekend, In Middle East; 50-50 Purse Split ‘Is A Given’

According to Mark Kriegel of ESPN, the heavyweight title unification bout between WBC champion Tyson Fury of England and WBO, WBA, IBO and IBF champion Oleksandr Usyk of Ukraine may air on the same weekend––or the week after––of the NFL’s 57th Super Bowl, with the Middle East as the "most likely" location for the fight.

Kriegel, citing unnamed sources and conversations with Bob Arum, the head of Top Rank which promotes Fury, sounded a note of optimism about the chances for seeing the historic match-up, especially because, according to Kriegel, there does not appear to be any disagreement regarding the purse split for the fighters. An Usyk-Fury fight would have to be televised by ESPN, as the network has an exclusive broadcasting arrangement with Top Rank

https://www.boxingscene.com/report-fury-usyk-targeted-february-super-bowl-weekend-middle-east-50-50-purse-split-given--168679

And they have negotiated now? But let's see, it's on the week of the biggest sporting event in the US, although the venue of the fight will be in the Middle East.

So I'm not sure how it will sit up with their fans who want to watch the fight at least live. Nevertheless, their is PPV so it could be the best options for US fans.

Usyk is very lucky to have this fight in a 50/50 split purse, Fury is demanding a lot for this, it's good that Usyk is not tied to any promoters that will hinder for the fight to be possible, I'm surprised how easy it has become but this is still a negotiation unless the contract is signed nothing is done deal yet, changes can still happen, the good thing is both fighters have the desire to unify the title whoever wins here is the greatest fghter of this generation, although already Fury is now the greatest British heavyweight champion.

[KTChampions]

Yesterday I saw a video on YouTube where the reporter says Usyk that Fury said that he would fight him for 500 million, Usyk just laughed. To this, he replied that he also wanted 500 million, and said that Fury was simply afraid of him. I don't like Fury as an athlete and as a person, he can refuse a rematch (as he did with Klitschko), citing mental problems, or something like that. Such a person does not deserve to remain invincible.

Fury is a dirty athlete, but such is boxing - if there are no real great champions, then you have to make them from what is. If you remove Usyk, Fury, Wilder and everyone who is at least something different and bright, then the promoters will start to sculpt a new "great champion" out of someone. This conveyor should not stop and the public should get what they want. The public wants epic fights and "great" champions. If there are no worthy ones, then they will be made from types like Fury.

[YuginKadoya]

The fight between Fury and Usyk ain't gonna be where popcorn is served. It's gonna be hot. It's like two elephants fighting. If Usyk is going to destroy Fury, he should learn a.s.a.p how to evade those powerful wide blows. Once fury traps him into a corner, he ain't going to see where the punches come from. Usyk is very skillfull however and it is coupled with the fact he is much more aggressive than Joshua that made him win. With his skill, pace and aggression I doubt he could win Fury. That guy is a mountain of aggression himself.

Did you see the latest fight of Oleksandr Usyk against Anthony Joshua, he can surely evade those powerful punches that come from Joshua, then I think he surely knows how to dodge a punch from Tyson Fury as well, if you saw Usyk in his fight against Joshua, Oleksandr Usyk is a volume puncher, he doesn't have those killer punch but he surely has that dominant footwork, in evading Fury's punches, and can retaliate a punch of his own,

This is a good match up in heavyweight division as we all know that these two fighter is undefeated and very strong but in this fight as I observe the most favorite fighter is no other than Tyson furry, and yes we all know how he plays so without a doubt many people or gambler will support his fight but I think this is not an easy one for Tyson furry beacause his opponent USYK is undefeated and a hood record in his career too. So this will be a good and exciting fight.

His undefeated alright but he doesn't have that power on his punch like Anthony Joshua, or Tyson Fury, but he got the speed to simply put a beating to Tyson Fury, and Oleksandr Usyk is sometimes getting into a safer fight, he surely avoids most of the punches and the speed for a Heavyweight,

[fortunecrypto]

Yesterday I saw a video on YouTube where the reporter says Usyk that Fury said that he would fight him for 500 million, Usyk just laughed. To this, he replied that he also wanted 500 million, and said that Fury was simply afraid of him. I don't like Fury as an athlete and as a person, he can refuse a rematch (as he did with Klitschko), citing mental problems, or something like that. Such a person does not deserve to remain invincible.

Fury is a dirty athlete, but such is boxing - if there are no real great champions, then you have to make them from what is. If you remove Usyk, Fury, Wilder and everyone who is at least something different and bright, then the promoters will start to sculpt a new "great champion" out of someone. This conveyor should not stop and the public should get what they want. The public wants epic fights and "great" champions. If there are no worthy ones, then they will be made from types like Fury.

Fury may be dirty but he gets the job done when you're a veteran in the ring you'll know all the tricks in the book and you'll try to do it as long as you are not caught, promoters don't build up great champions it's the trainers that do this, they are with their boxer in the ring and training camp to see that their boxer is doing great, promoters only do match up and motivate boxers with their offer of money and the public expects great fights from the cards the promoters have build up.

[TopTort777]

His undefeated alright but he doesn't have that power on his punch like Anthony Joshua, or Tyson Fury, but he got the speed to simply put a beating to Tyson Fury, and Oleksandr Usyk is sometimes getting into a safer fight, he surely avoids most of the punches and the speed for a Heavyweight,

Imho, Usyk has few power than current top heavyweights, because he is originally created to become an Olympic boxing champion. You dont see lots of knockouts during olympic games. Instead we see speed and 3*3min fight. Usyk is trained to score, not to knock out.

I am 1000% sure that his game plan in a fight against Fury would be throwing 4 punches on every punch Fury throw. I have though before and checked, but is Fury ready to keep the fight in such high temp, as Usyk impose him. I believe Fury will get exhausted faster than Usyk.

[JollyGood]

There have been 25 votes in the poll:

Fury to win: 20
Usyk to win:  5

At the moment 80% of the votes are for Fury to win but surprisingly there have been 20% votes in favour of Usyk. They have shown faith in Usyk but I think they will be unwilling to place a bet for him to win because he will be facing Fury in the ring 

[Cryptmuster]

Fury is a dirty athlete, but such is boxing - if there are no real great champions, then you have to make them from what is. If you remove Usyk, Fury, Wilder and everyone who is at least something different and bright, then the promoters will start to sculpt a new "great champion" out of someone. This conveyor should not stop and the public should get what they want. The public wants epic fights and "great" champions. If there are no worthy ones, then they will be made from types like Fury.

Unfortunately it's true. You know, at least he looked athletic, like Wilder or Joshua or like many champions before them, there can see that they work hard on themselves, and Fury just big with chubby sides. He's definitely strong and has a good punch, but calling him invincible is to mutch...

Did you see the latest fight of Oleksandr Usyk against Anthony Joshua, he can surely evade those powerful punches that come from Joshua, then I think he surely knows how to dodge a punch from Tyson Fury as well, if you saw Usyk in his fight against Joshua, Oleksandr Usyk is a volume puncher, he doesn't have those killer punch but he surely has that dominant footwork, in evading Fury's punches, and can retaliate a punch of his own,

Of course, I watched this fight and even reviewed it twice (when watching the replay, I got the same adrenaline). Yes, Usyk will be able to dodge Fury's punches, but Fury is a dirty fighter, he can hit from the clinch or on the back of the head, it's normal for him, but if this fight does happen, then Usyk will have to defeat this dishonorable fighter!

[KTChampions]

Fury is a dirty athlete, but such is boxing - if there are no real great champions, then you have to make them from what is. If you remove Usyk, Fury, Wilder and everyone who is at least something different and bright, then the promoters will start to sculpt a new "great champion" out of someone. This conveyor should not stop and the public should get what they want. The public wants epic fights and "great" champions. If there are no worthy ones, then they will be made from types like Fury.

Fury may be dirty but he gets the job done when you're a veteran in the ring you'll know all the tricks in the book and you'll try to do it as long as you are not caught, promoters don't build up great champions it's the trainers that do this, they are with their boxer in the ring and training camp to see that their boxer is doing great, promoters only do match up and motivate boxers with their offer of money and the public expects great fights from the cards the promoters have build up.

You must be joking? If you look not at the greatest boxers but at slightly less great ones, then you will see that the "greatness" of many consists of a series of promoter tricks such as endless dodging of strong opponents (or simply uncomfortable ones) and other "strategies" that allow you to have in the Defeat column either zeros or very small numbers. Boxing is big business, don't think that it leaves brands at the mercy of chance.

[KTChampions]

You must be joking? If you look not at the greatest boxers but at slightly less great ones, then you will see that the "greatness" of many consists of a series of promoter tricks such as endless dodging of strong opponents (or simply uncomfortable ones) and other "strategies" that allow you to have in the Defeat column either zeros or very small numbers. Boxing is big business, don't think that it leaves brands at the mercy of chance.

Boxers have different fighting styles. Some prefer to be calculated-aggressive, while some prefer to be defensive to avoid being landed on strikes for the sake of judges scoring. Some trainers really train them to have their set of techniques to have the upper hand of the game. You mentioned endless dodging. While it is not really pleasant to watch a match full of dodging attempts from the opponent, it's one of their key to avoid punches for overall tally. It might be viewed as cowardice, but it is essential for them.

Although of course, a boxer must be able to land combination of powerful jabs too and not just be defensive all the time, dodging the opponent's attack. A balance combination of aggressiveness and defensiveness will help them achieve their goal which is winning. Because if a boxer will carelessly throw punches consecutively, he will end up being tired at the beginning of the game and that will be an advantage to the opponent's side. However, if a boxer will just keep on avoiding punches, but not throw powerful punches to his enemy, he will not accumulate a great score either. So, it should be a mixed balance of both to win the score of the judges and to win the heart of the audience as well.

You completely misunderstood me. I did not mean the tactics of the fight, but the tactics of choosing opponents. Haven't you ever heard that boxers (and not only them, but also other fighters, for example from the UFC) dodge uncomfortable opponents under various pretexts? Even Fury, who is now praised by everyone, shied away from a rematch with Klitschko.

[inthelongrun]

So this fight is most likely to happen after Fury agreed to a 50-50 purse split. Despite all the talking Fury is doing, I appreciate him for accepting the purse split which most people are expecting that he deserves a little more share as he's got more fans and the market. I like this fight to happen in a neutral location like the Middle East to avoid biased officiating.

I'm surprised to see the early odds. I thought I could see Usyk at 3.0. If it goes 3.0 then I will bet on Usyk. Fury is technical and fast but not as fast and technical as Usyk. Fury does have a huge size and reach advantage. And it's also near impossible for Usyk to stop Fury.

Meanwhile, David Haye mentioned Fury's ability to struggle against small good heavyweights. He did struggle a bit against the quick-moving but light-punching Cunnigham.

[babygun]

Yesterday I saw a video on YouTube where the reporter says Usyk that Fury said that he would fight him for 500 million, Usyk just laughed. To this, he replied that he also wanted 500 million, and said that Fury was simply afraid of him. I don't like Fury as an athlete and as a person, he can refuse a rematch (as he did with Klitschko), citing mental problems, or something like that. Such a person does not deserve to remain invincible.

I have the complete opposite, I like Fury as an athlete and as a person. He openly talked about his problems he was having (some years ago); is humble and always nice to watch during conferences. In the ring, he is simply the best and there is no doubt in my mind, if the fight would go through, that Fury will win it.

[Baofeng]

I saw this on my feed,

Report: Fury-Usyk Targeted For February, Super Bowl Weekend, In Middle East; 50-50 Purse Split ‘Is A Given’

According to Mark Kriegel of ESPN, the heavyweight title unification bout between WBC champion Tyson Fury of England and WBO, WBA, IBO and IBF champion Oleksandr Usyk of Ukraine may air on the same weekend––or the week after––of the NFL’s 57th Super Bowl, with the Middle East as the "most likely" location for the fight.

Kriegel, citing unnamed sources and conversations with Bob Arum, the head of Top Rank which promotes Fury, sounded a note of optimism about the chances for seeing the historic match-up, especially because, according to Kriegel, there does not appear to be any disagreement regarding the purse split for the fighters. An Usyk-Fury fight would have to be televised by ESPN, as the network has an exclusive broadcasting arrangement with Top Rank

https://www.boxingscene.com/report-fury-usyk-targeted-february-super-bowl-weekend-middle-east-50-50-purse-split-given--168679

And they have negotiated now? But let's see, it's on the week of the biggest sporting event in the US, although the venue of the fight will be in the Middle East.

So I'm not sure how it will sit up with their fans who want to watch the fight at least live. Nevertheless, their is PPV so it could be the best options for US fans.

Usyk is very lucky to have this fight in a 50/50 split purse, Fury is demanding a lot for this, it's good that Usyk is not tied to any promoters that will hinder for the fight to be possible, I'm surprised how easy it has become but this is still a negotiation unless the contract is signed nothing is done deal yet, changes can still happen, the good thing is both fighters have the desire to unify the title whoever wins here is the greatest fghter of this generation, although already Fury is now the greatest British heavyweight champion.

Yep, at least we should give credit for him to have this 50/50 without him thinking that he is the A-side on this fight. And maybe that split will obviously guarantee him already of a 8 figures money And there is a the PPV as well, and perhaps this is where Fury might get the lion share and the live gate sales. So still a win-win situation for him, and for Usyk too. This is the two biggest heavyweights right now and this fight should be made.  And now that that the pandemic is over, we are being treated with good fights this year alone.

[Kemarit]

It can be difficult to understand why Fury does the things he does and says the things he says making it difficult to work him out but most probably Fury will always be on the lookout to get in the ring for a unification fight to make the big money and then will get out. Fury does not come across as the sort of person that will box for years to come therefore he will need other activities to keep busy and keep the money rolling in.

Has it been confirmed though about a reality show and deal really been signed with a broadcasting company? I think if it did go ahead both Mr and Mrs Fury will be very much at home having camera crews around them 

Yes, it seems that the news is true, Tyson Fury, as you've never seen him before! Netflix announce At Home With The Furys documentary series with the boxer and his wife Paris, so it's like a Kardashian show.

Not sure how the public will address it though. Maybe we can see more funnier side of Tyson with his family. And obviously, this partnership with Netflix will make them another huge money, avenue for more wealth right after boxing.

[Welsh]

Not sure how the public will address it though. Maybe we can see more funnier side of Tyson with his family. And obviously, this partnership with Netflix will make them another huge money, avenue for more wealth right after boxing.

He's already done something similar, which showed his home life, and went through his mental health issues, which I've mentioned before. I think it was the "Tyson Fury The Gypsy King", but I might be mistaken. It was a good watch, and didn't have the drama in it like other reality tv shows you've mentioned.

It's not a bad thing, and like I said before I quite enjoyed watching it. A bit of perspective on his life, and how he still lives in a average persons home, and neighbourhood. Obviously, he has money, and that's quite evident with the things he has parked outside, but generally I got a decent impression of him. Obviously, documentaries are filmed with his consent, so they're unlikely to make him look bad.

[Jating]

Yesterday I saw a video on YouTube where the reporter says Usyk that Fury said that he would fight him for 500 million, Usyk just laughed. To this, he replied that he also wanted 500 million, and said that Fury was simply afraid of him. I don't like Fury as an athlete and as a person, he can refuse a rematch (as he did with Klitschko), citing mental problems, or something like that. Such a person does not deserve to remain invincible.

I have the complete opposite, I like Fury as an athlete and as a person. He openly talked about his problems he was having (some years ago); is humble and always nice to watch during conferences. In the ring, he is simply the best and there is no doubt in my mind, if the fight would go through, that Fury will win it.

Yeah, he Fury seems to have that kind of personality that you are going to like. I mean just an ordinary bloke, just a regular guy you can find in a bar and have a talk with everything under the sun. He had indeed has mental issues thats why he didn't fight for a long time and some problems with drugs too.

I guess everyone has its own opinion on boxers. Floyd get the most hate but for sure there will be fans around telling the opposite.

[KTChampions]

It's pretty funny that the preliminary quotes for the fight Usyk - Fury are as follows: 3 - 1.3
As we can see, bookmakers (who are responsible for their predictions with their money) are not at all sure of Fury's unconditional victory, quotes are very far from "unambiguous" even taking into account the fact that both boxers are of very different weights.
It's sad actually, I was hoping for more generous odds as I plan to bet on Usyk.

[YuginKadoya]

Imho, Usyk has few power than current top heavyweights, because he is originally created to become an Olympic boxing champion. You dont see lots of knockouts during olympic games. Instead we see speed and 3*3min fight. Usyk is trained to score, not to knock out.

I am 1000% sure that his game plan in a fight against Fury would be throwing 4 punches on every punch Fury throw. I have though before and checked, but is Fury ready to keep the fight in such high temp, as Usyk impose him. I believe Fury will get exhausted faster than Usyk.

Oleksandr Usyk is a volume fighter, surely he will take advantage of his speed, not have those deadly strong punches on them and Usyk is not really not gifted on that kind of skill, but he is gifted with speed and added with technical skills in where he should aim his opponent is surely what Usyk does best, I am really intrigued about what is going to happen about this fight, Tyson Fury got the punching strength and even the technical timing on where he will land his punches, while Usyk having the speed will surely give Fury volumes of punches even though it is not that destructive it could be fatal when he surely focus all of that punch on 1 area, and the volume could land him a victory via decision,

Of course, I watched this fight and even reviewed it twice (when watching the replay, I got the same adrenaline). Yes, Usyk will be able to dodge Fury's punches, but Fury is a dirty fighter, he can hit from the clinch or on the back of the head, it's normal for him, but if this fight does happen, then Usyk will have to defeat this dishonorable fighter!

He was named as a slap punch boxer, but no kidding those dirty tactics in my opinion is not really that dirty, I think he has a combination of punches and a hook punch that you would think is for cheating, but I guess any boxer will not even going to notice them when they are in a heated up situation like these and this is boxing there are times they may wrestle their opponent and there is the time it was not really intentional, for me Fury has good feints for Usyk to get ready on,

[bitzizzix]

I would have thought it would be an easy fight for Fury, Usyk is a very skilled boxer but he is not a heavyweight boxer, and his fight with AJ proves size isn't everything.
and I bet on Fury, in a fight that should be no more than 2 to 1 Fury in the window. Uysk has experience imo but size will be a much bigger factor than AJ and Fury size not AJ and also much better than him.

[Welsh]

I would have thought it would be an easy fight for Fury, Usyk is a very skilled boxer but he is not a heavyweight boxer, and his fight with AJ proves size isn't everything.
and I bet on Fury, in a fight that should be no more than 2 to 1 Fury in the window. Uysk has experience imo but size will be a much bigger factor than AJ and Fury size not AJ and also much better than him.

I mean officially he is a heavyweight boxer, and just beat a top three heavyweight boxer, twice. So, the claim that he isn't a heavyweight boxer is inaccurate. While I agree the height advantage, and weight advantage will play a part in Fury's fight with Usyk, I only say that because unlike Joshua, Fury uses his weight to his advantage. You saw it with Wilder, and you could see it taking his toll. However, he's done this throughout his career.

With that tactical advantage, he'll likely be able to slow down Usyk, that he'll become hittable, and therefore I see Fury getting the better of him. Ultimately though, they're very close in terms of technical ability, but again I still think Fury is the better of the two. I think Fury's technical ability is a bit underrated, and that's mainly due to the fact of what I said before, where a larger man usually does look a little more clumsy than a smaller man, even if they're doing very similar movements.

[wxa7115]

Yeah, he Fury seems to have that kind of personality that you are going to like. I mean just an ordinary bloke, just a regular guy you can find in a bar and have a talk with everything under the sun. He had indeed has mental issues thats why he didn't fight for a long time and some problems with drugs too.

I guess everyone has its own opinion on boxers. Floyd get the most hate but for sure there will be fans around telling the opposite.

I also like Fury, I know that some people do not really like him because of his antics but at least to me that makes him human, since it shows you don't need to be perfect in order to reach the very top of one of the most competitive and popular sports around the world, and I take this as a lesson that everyone can learn something from.

Besides we need to also take into account what is behind the comment Fury made, it is obvious that Fury knows that he's not going to receive 500 million for the fight against Usyk, so he's just making a joke, maybe we get to see the fight maybe we don't, but he has the right to set a high price for his services and there is little doubt that an unification fight at the heavyweight division will bring a lot of money to both fighters.

[KTChampions]

I also like Fury, I know that some people do not really like him because of his antics but at least to me that makes him human, since it shows you don't need to be perfect in order to reach the very top of one of the most competitive and popular sports around the world, and I take this as a lesson that everyone can learn something from.

Besides we need to also take into account what is behind the comment Fury made, it is obvious that Fury knows that he's not going to receive 500 million for the fight against Usyk, so he's just making a joke, maybe we get to see the fight maybe we don't, but he has the right to set a high price for his services and there is little doubt that an unification fight at the heavyweight division will bring a lot of money to both fighters.

Fury used doping (nandrolone) was convicted of using cocaine, and ran like a coward from a rematch with Klitschko. I think when you talk about antics, you mean his trash talk, not these actions, right? Personally, it would be strange for me to evaluate this as "the shortcomings that everyone has and that's okay - no one is perfect." 
As for the fee for the fight, there was already information that it would be divided equally between the fighters.

[Welsh]

Fury used doping (nandrolone) was convicted of using cocaine, and ran like a coward from a rematch with Klitschko. I think when you talk about antics, you mean his trash talk, not these actions, right? Personally, it would be strange for me to evaluate this as "the shortcomings that everyone has and that's okay - no one is perfect." 
As for the fee for the fight, there was already information that it would be divided equally between the fighters.

Yeah, while it's hard to defend certain things he's done, mental health does sort of push you into these things. So, I can somewhat understand why we was using some of the drugs he was using. He was in a dark place, he talks about one day where he was literally planning on crashing his car into a bridge I believe it was. His wife, Paris also says she was scared every single day that he wouldn't come home. So, while it's easy to critise, we don't actually know how bad it was, but from what they've claimed, he was in a very dark place, and the cocaine, and heavy drinking, as well as not wanting the rematch due to the fact he's pretty much in the gutter, all makes sense. I wouldn't call it ducking either.

Fury has never been someone to duck fights. He would've beaten Klitschko again, and his reasoning actually makes sense. All this time he's been wanting to be champion, he finally realises that dream, and then you've lost your goal, you've lost your motivation, and therefore you kind of lose your way. We've seen it multiple times, and some people might be unfortunate enough to see friends go through similar things.

The failed drug test is hard to defend though. That's something that's definitely he blemish on his career, and it's unfortunate that he went that far. However, and by no means am I saying it's alright because of this; but most boxers, in fact most athletes are using substances to gain the marginal differences that they give. That's been proven over the years. In fact, many great legends have been caught abusing steroids to gain an advantage. Again, that's not excusing it's use.

[eaLiTy]

~
Fury used doping (nandrolone) was convicted of using cocaine, and ran like a coward from a rematch with Klitschko. I think when you talk about antics, you mean his trash talk, not these actions, right? Personally, it would be strange for me to evaluate this as "the shortcomings that everyone has and that's okay - no one is perfect." 
As for the fee for the fight, there was already information that it would be divided equally between the fighters.

I am not sure whether Tyson Fury was taking any performance enchasing drugs and he definitely does not look like someone who takes these shortcuts  . Regarding the rematch, he had his personal demons and was into drugs, like you mentioned cocaine and he was popped for benzoylecgonine which is a byproduct of cocaine and not heard he was convicted.
As a fan, i would like to see the fight but Tyson vacated the belt after announcing the retirement and how can this be an unification bout.

[coolcoinz]

The reaction of bookmakers regarding bets on the FURY vs USYK fight seems to me quite pragmatic, however, some still offer odds 2/1 in favor of Usyk, but the real odds will be closer to the fight. if it takes place, of course.

I don't get that they give Usyk such an advantage where there's none. They both are very experienced and have impressive number of wins but Fury has both more professional wins and total fights which means more total experience. He's also taller and heavier than Usyk. These are clear advantages that should be taken into account here.
I like them both and feel like they're rather evenly matched. I wouldn't give any of them 2-1.

[Jating]

Yeah, he Fury seems to have that kind of personality that you are going to like. I mean just an ordinary bloke, just a regular guy you can find in a bar and have a talk with everything under the sun. He had indeed has mental issues thats why he didn't fight for a long time and some problems with drugs too.

I guess everyone has its own opinion on boxers. Floyd get the most hate but for sure there will be fans around telling the opposite.

I also like Fury, I know that some people do not really like him because of his antics but at least to me that makes him human, since it shows you don't need to be perfect in order to reach the very top of one of the most competitive and popular sports around the world, and I take this as a lesson that everyone can learn something from.

Besides we need to also take into account what is behind the comment Fury made, it is obvious that Fury knows that he's not going to receive 500 million for the fight against Usyk, so he's just making a joke, maybe we get to see the fight maybe we don't, but he has the right to set a high price for his services and there is little doubt that an unification fight at the heavyweight division will bring a lot of money to both fighters.

Probably the 500 million is just a public stunt just to provoke the public perception about this fight, so yeah probably this is a joke for him. But this is serious business, he has been wanting to get all the belts and unify it and himself proclaiming to be the best Heavyweight of all time. Just surprised to see the someone mentioning Usyk to be the favorite at 2:1? Nah, don't see it happening, Fury will still be the favorite here. But it will not be an easy fight and I think this will be his most difficult because they are like evenly match with him having the slight advantage, (height, reach).

[JollyGood]

There have been 28 votes in the poll:

Fury to win: 21
Usyk to win:  7

This is a big surprise as far as I can see because 25% of the votes are for Usyk to win and I thought it would end up being much smaller closer to the 10% mark. Even with 75% of the votes in favour of a Fury will the voters in the poll are giving him a huge majority.

We need more votes 

[YuginKadoya]

I would have thought it would be an easy fight for Fury, Usyk is a very skilled boxer but he is not a heavyweight boxer, and his fight with AJ proves size isn't everything.
and I bet on Fury, in a fight that should be no more than 2 to 1 Fury in the window. Uysk has experience imo but size will be a much bigger factor than AJ and Fury size not AJ and also much better than him.

Tyson Fury is much better than Anthony Joshua that is for sure, pretty even though Oleksandr Usyk has the speed, and pretty much he resembles Johnny Depp when Depp is bald, I don't know why but when I am looking at Usyk while fighting there is an angle that he looks like Depp, but surely maybe it was just my imagination, anyway Usyk has the speed but with Tyson's 1 punch this fight is already over, that is why I have voted for Tyson Fury to win this,

I mean officially he is a heavyweight boxer, and just beat a top three heavyweight boxer, twice. So, the claim that he isn't a heavyweight boxer is inaccurate. While I agree the height advantage, and weight advantage will play a part in Fury's fight with Usyk, I only say that because unlike Joshua, Fury uses his weight to his advantage. You saw it with Wilder, and you could see it taking his toll. However, he's done this throughout his career.

With that tactical advantage, he'll likely be able to slow down Usyk, that he'll become hittable, and therefore I see Fury getting the better of him. Ultimately though, they're very close in terms of technical ability, but again I still think Fury is the better of the two. I think Fury's technical ability is a bit underrated, and that's mainly due to the fact of what I said before, where a larger man usually does look a little more clumsy than a smaller man, even if they're doing very similar movements.

He would surely find a way even in tight spots and yes Fury is a technical fighter, for a heavyweight boxer to be this technical inside the ring, there is no doubt he could find a way for him to hit Oleksandr Usyk, that is for sure, he pretty much got a technique, where he can clinch but readying a punch when he pushes his opponent backward I think he would likely do anything just to win, but not in a likely illegal manner, it will still depend on the referee if he would call it as a bad game for a fighter but he can surely do ways he would likely come from his advantage inside the ring, and I think that would be his weight, height and reach,

There have been 28 votes in the poll:

Fury to win: 21
Usyk to win:  7

This is a big surprise as far as I can see because 25% of the votes are for Usyk to win and I thought it would end up being much smaller closer to the 10% mark. Even with 75% of the votes in favour of a Fury will the voters in the poll are giving him a huge majority.

We need more votes 

I have voted for Fury, and these results truly show that Tyson Fury got something that Oleksandr Usyk doesn't have, and surely Usyk got the guts to call Fury, but I think he got a technique he is planning for Fury the moment he picks a fight for him so this is going to be an interesting fight, I am not surprised that Fury will get the votes he is a boxer who would likely give his all to win even in his disadvantage he would likely to see an opening for him to win and even if he is in the tight position, he can surely reverse that for a win so that is why I am not surprised by the majority in votes for him,

Well, let's just wait for another user to see this thread, or you can likely share this link to other thread with combat theme on them, maybe they will be interested in voting here,

[darkangel11]

There have been 28 votes in the poll:

Fury to win: 21
Usyk to win:  7

This is a big surprise as far as I can see because 25% of the votes are for Usyk to win and I thought it would end up being much smaller closer to the 10% mark. Even with 75% of the votes in favour of a Fury will the voters in the poll are giving him a huge majority.

We need more votes 

I like Usyk, he's got big heart and huge balls. I also like the underdogs so I want him to win this. Fury is so cocky. I like him but there's this thing with fighters who are like that you either love them or hate them. He reminds me of McGregor.

It's going to be a good fight to watch for sure. I voted for Usyk in the poll. I feel like Fury has so many wins to his name that people are biased towards him in this. There's really a decent chance this won't go his way.

[hilariousetc]

This fight probably isn't going to happen until mid next year given Usyk has stated he won't fight this year but Fury v AJ is hotting up now. I thought Fury was just doing his usually shit-chatting to try grab headlines but Fury has said he's offered him a 60/40 split to fight him Nov/December this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mWQVajOXMo

If that's to be believed AJ is not going to get a better deal than that. Something tells me that Fury isn't entirely serious about this fight though or there's something he's not telling us. It's rumoured that Fury already has a bum lined up for December but I'm sure he could easily ditch him for AJ but squeezing a fight of this magnitude in before the end of the year seems a stretch. Both Eddie Hearn and Frank warren were on Talk Sport this morning confirming the offer has been made and received but neither talked numbers. Hopefully we'll hear something from Hearn soon but I agree with Hearn at 1:48 here: https://youtu.be/8IksjnZS7QU?t=108

[KTChampions]

This fight probably isn't going to happen until mid next year given Usyk has stated he won't fight this year but Fury v AJ is hotting up now. I thought Fury was just doing his usually shit-chatting to try grab headlines but Fury has said he's offered him a 60/40 split to fight him Nov/December this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mWQVajOXMo

If that's to be believed AJ is not going to get a better deal than that. Something tells me that Fury isn't entirely serious about this fight though or there's something he's not telling us. It's rumoured that Fury already has a bum lined up for December but I'm sure he could easily ditch him for AJ but squeezing a fight of this magnitude in before the end of the year seems a stretch. Both Eddie Hearn and Frank warren were on Talk Sport this morning confirming the offer has been made and received but neither talked numbers. Hopefully we'll hear something from Hearn soon but I agree with Hearn at 1:48 here: https://youtu.be/8IksjnZS7QU?t=108

I am watching this news with great annoyance. I don’t know who could come up with the idea of this fight, but in my opinion it’s completely absurd. AJ, with all due respect, is already "wasted material". No one will be interested in this fight because everyone wants to see Usyk-Fury fight. It seems that Fury is afraid of Usyk and will run from him as he ran from Klitschko. What a disgraceful person.

[hilariousetc]

This fight probably isn't going to happen until mid next year given Usyk has stated he won't fight this year but Fury v AJ is hotting up now. I thought Fury was just doing his usually shit-chatting to try grab headlines but Fury has said he's offered him a 60/40 split to fight him Nov/December this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mWQVajOXMo

If that's to be believed AJ is not going to get a better deal than that. Something tells me that Fury isn't entirely serious about this fight though or there's something he's not telling us. It's rumoured that Fury already has a bum lined up for December but I'm sure he could easily ditch him for AJ but squeezing a fight of this magnitude in before the end of the year seems a stretch. Both Eddie Hearn and Frank warren were on Talk Sport this morning confirming the offer has been made and received but neither talked numbers. Hopefully we'll hear something from Hearn soon but I agree with Hearn at 1:48 here: https://youtu.be/8IksjnZS7QU?t=108

I am watching this news with great annoyance. I don’t know who could come up with the idea of this fight, but in my opinion it’s completely absurd. AJ, with all due respect, is already "wasted material". No one will be interested in this fight because everyone wants to see Usyk-Fury fight. It seems that Fury is afraid of Usyk and will run from him as he ran from Klitschko. What a disgraceful person.

Lol calm down. It's Usyk that has said he can't fight this year and Fury doesn't want to be out of the ring that long. Regardless of AJ having a few losses under him this is still a huge fight and probably the biggest outside of Usyk to be made and it's one British boxing fans have been wanting for years so there's still a huge market for it. I'm just hoping the big boxers like AJ and Fury fight someone soon because you're lucky if you get one fight a year out of them these days when in reality they should be fighting 2 or 3 times. If this fight doesn't happen then both AJ and Fury will probably just end up fighting bums which nobody wants to see.

[KTChampions]

I am watching this news with great annoyance. I don’t know who could come up with the idea of this fight, but in my opinion it’s completely absurd. AJ, with all due respect, is already "wasted material". No one will be interested in this fight because everyone wants to see Usyk-Fury fight. It seems that Fury is afraid of Usyk and will run from him as he ran from Klitschko. What a disgraceful person.

Lol calm down. It's Usyk that has said he can't fight this year and Fury doesn't want to be out of the ring that long. Regardless of AJ having a few losses under him this is still a huge fight and probably the biggest outside of Usyk to be made and it's one British boxing fans have been wanting for years so there's still a huge market for it. I'm just hoping the big boxers like AJ and Fury fight someone soon because you're lucky if you get one fight a year out of them these days when in reality they should be fighting 2 or 3 times. If this fight doesn't happen then both AJ and Fury will probably just end up fighting bums which nobody wants to see.

While preparing for serious fights takes about a year (if the parties do not engage in nonsense and do not drag out the process), is it too naive for Fury to want a fight with Usyk here and now? Usyk called the real possible dates without any ulterior motives.
The only actual fight that I think would be fair is Wilder - AJ.
Fury can beat bums and wait for Usyk. Building up the hype around a fight with AJ in Fury's place looks even worse than beating someone just for the sake of statistics.

[YuginKadoya]

I like Usyk, he's got big heart and huge balls. I also like the underdogs so I want him to win this. Fury is so cocky. I like him but there's this thing with fighters who are like that you either love them or hate them. He reminds me of McGregor.

It's going to be a good fight to watch for sure. I voted for Usyk in the poll. I feel like Fury has so many wins to his name that people are biased towards him in this. There's really a decent chance this won't go his way.

Well, it is really unavoidable that many will be biased about Tyson Fury, and people love him because of his egotistic demeanor and there are people like you who like Usyk because of his humble demeanor, and we can surely compare both fighters but I am not looking at their attitude but what can they do inside the ring, I think that is more important, they are boxers and it is normal for them to hype up their fight but at the end of the day they will eventually respect each other,

This fight probably isn't going to happen until mid next year given Usyk has stated he won't fight this year but Fury v AJ is hotting up now. I thought Fury was just doing his usually shit-chatting to try grab headlines but Fury has said he's offered him a 60/40 split to fight him Nov/December this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mWQVajOXMo

If that's to be believed AJ is not going to get a better deal than that. Something tells me that Fury isn't entirely serious about this fight though or there's something he's not telling us. It's rumoured that Fury already has a bum lined up for December but I'm sure he could easily ditch him for AJ but squeezing a fight of this magnitude in before the end of the year seems a stretch. Both Eddie Hearn and Frank warren were on Talk Sport this morning confirming the offer has been made and received but neither talked numbers. Hopefully we'll hear something from Hearn soon but I agree with Hearn at 1:48 here: https://youtu.be/8IksjnZS7QU?t=108

Well, this thread is way too early if they would likely fight next year, but it is alright, a Tyson Fury VS Anthony Joshua could be a treat to watch, but this is the 1st time they would likely clash or a Deontay Wilder VS Anthony Joshua aswell, but Tyson Fury is likely Clashing with Joshua first, but if their promoters would agree on this then we could see a fight maybe this year,

[JollyGood]

Yes this thread is way too early but when I created it there was a real possibility it would go ahead sooner. The only way the fight can go ahead now is if Fury remains unbeaten in his next fight which would then allow him to try to set up a unification bout against Usyk. I think Wilder and even Parker are waiting in the wings in teh hope they can get another opportunity to fight for a title.

Well, this thread is way too early if they would likely fight next year, but it is alright, a Tyson Fury VS Anthony Joshua could be a treat to watch, but this is the 1st time they would likely clash or a Deontay Wilder VS Anthony Joshua aswell, but Tyson Fury is likely Clashing with Joshua first, but if their promoters would agree on this then we could see a fight maybe this year,

[Baofeng]

And Fury may just want to keep this fight alive,

“We offered them the December 17 date in Saudi Arabia for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world and everybody wanted that date. Usyk said he was injured and isn’t ready until next year," Fury said.

“And now he’s saying I’m scared of him. The little sh!thouse middleweight. I’ll put my fist right through his face.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-usyk-said-he-ready-now-he-says-im-scared-hes-sh-thouse--169300

He call Usyk middleweight, lol, in any case, Fury is looking for either a Joshua or Usyk fight this December. He had a schedule already in December, but it seems he doesn't have a dance partner. When we thought that the Joshua fight is lock-in, there are still things need to be settled. And so he calls Usyk again, I don't think he is injured or what, he just want to take a break after winning against Joshua.

[serjent05]

And Fury may just want to keep this fight alive,

“We offered them the December 17 date in Saudi Arabia for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world and everybody wanted that date. Usyk said he was injured and isn’t ready until next year," Fury said.

“And now he’s saying I’m scared of him. The little sh!thouse middleweight. I’ll put my fist right through his face.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-usyk-said-he-ready-now-he-says-im-scared-hes-sh-thouse--169300

He call Usyk middleweight, lol, in any case, Fury is looking for either a Joshua or Usyk fight this December. He had a schedule already in December, but it seems he doesn't have a dance partner. When we thought that the Joshua fight is lock-in, there are still things need to be settled. And so he calls Usyk again, I don't think he is injured or what, he just want to take a break after winning against Joshua.

I think Usyk is evading Fury.  It is not that he wanted a break, I believe Usyk wanted to prolong his stay in the spotlight because there is a huge possibility that the spotlight would be taken away from him the moment he decided to fight Fury.  In short, probably Usyk camp isn't confident about winning against Fury.    It is just my thought though and shouldn't be considered as fact.

The statement of Usyk is probably adding fuel to the excitement and controversy making their possible upcoming fight caters more attention.  And I think that is a very entertaining move to fire up their fans and the boxing audience, making them the possible talk of the social media platform.

So I understand that the unification title fight between Fury and Usyk may be possibly bound next year after Fury beats Joshua in their match this coming Dec.  What made me think that?  The exchange of words between the two champions is obvious.  And I considered that as great marketing ploy to catch the audience and boxing fans' attention.  Though I may be wrong but it is good if that happens .

Yes this thread is way too early but when I created it there was a real possibility it would go ahead sooner. The only way the fight can go ahead now is if Fury remains unbeaten in his next fight which would then allow him to try to set up a unification bout against Usyk. I think Wilder and even Parker are waiting in the wings in teh hope they can get another opportunity to fight for a title.

With the current news and article release about Fury and Usyk's exchanges of opinion, I think we can have this thread active again since their exchanges of conversation are somehow pointing to a possible match deal.  The way they converse is like hyping the "feud"  between them making the crowd excited about the idea of their possible match.  That is indeed a great marketing strategy if that is the sole intention of those exchanges of words.

[Baofeng]

And Fury may just want to keep this fight alive,

“We offered them the December 17 date in Saudi Arabia for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world and everybody wanted that date. Usyk said he was injured and isn’t ready until next year," Fury said.

“And now he’s saying I’m scared of him. The little sh!thouse middleweight. I’ll put my fist right through his face.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-usyk-said-he-ready-now-he-says-im-scared-hes-sh-thouse--169300

He call Usyk middleweight, lol, in any case, Fury is looking for either a Joshua or Usyk fight this December. He had a schedule already in December, but it seems he doesn't have a dance partner. When we thought that the Joshua fight is lock-in, there are still things need to be settled. And so he calls Usyk again, I don't think he is injured or what, he just want to take a break after winning against Joshua.

I think Usyk is evading Fury.  It is not that he wanted a break, I believe Usyk wanted to prolong his stay in the spotlight because there is a huge possibility that the spotlight would be taken away from him the moment he decided to fight Fury.  In short, probably Usyk camp isn't confident about winning against Fury.    It is just my thought though and shouldn't be considered as fact.

The statement of Usyk is probably adding fuel to the excitement and controversy making their possible upcoming fight caters more attention.  And I think that is a very entertaining move to fire up their fans and the boxing audience, making them the possible talk of the social media platform.

So I understand that the unification title fight between Fury and Usyk may be possibly bound next year after Fury beats Joshua in their match this coming Dec.  What made me think that?  The exchange of words between the two champions is obvious.  And I considered that as great marketing ploy to catch the audience and boxing fans' attention.  Though I may be wrong but it is good if that happens .

Yes this thread is way too early but when I created it there was a real possibility it would go ahead sooner. The only way the fight can go ahead now is if Fury remains unbeaten in his next fight which would then allow him to try to set up a unification bout against Usyk. I think Wilder and even Parker are waiting in the wings in teh hope they can get another opportunity to fight for a title.

And what do you think if the fight is going to be made in Ukraine? That will be huge.

But Usyk might have to fight Wilder first though, I have a feeling that he might chase Wilder and then let Fury and Joshua fight first. And if my chance Fury won and he beat Wilder (also Deontay needs to win too against Helenius). And then Wilder vs Usyk happens 2023 and perhaps if Fury is still interested with unification with Usyk then they can go at it 2024.

[JollyGood]

Usyk has stated he wants to fight Fury for a unification fight in Ukraine in early 2023 that is if Fury as expected will get past Chisora in December 2022. That fight takes place at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium

Maybe a unification fight is still possible 

[Baofeng]

And Fury may just want to keep this fight alive,

“We offered them the December 17 date in Saudi Arabia for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world and everybody wanted that date. Usyk said he was injured and isn’t ready until next year," Fury said.

“And now he’s saying I’m scared of him. The little sh!thouse middleweight. I’ll put my fist right through his face.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-usyk-said-he-ready-now-he-says-im-scared-hes-sh-thouse--169300

He call Usyk middleweight, lol, in any case, Fury is looking for either a Joshua or Usyk fight this December. He had a schedule already in December, but it seems he doesn't have a dance partner. When we thought that the Joshua fight is lock-in, there are still things need to be settled. And so he calls Usyk again, I don't think he is injured or what, he just want to take a break after winning against Joshua.

I think Usyk is evading Fury.  It is not that he wanted a break, I believe Usyk wanted to prolong his stay in the spotlight because there is a huge possibility that the spotlight would be taken away from him the moment he decided to fight Fury.  In short, probably Usyk camp isn't confident about winning against Fury.    It is just my thought though and shouldn't be considered as fact.

The statement of Usyk is probably adding fuel to the excitement and controversy making their possible upcoming fight caters more attention.  And I think that is a very entertaining move to fire up their fans and the boxing audience, making them the possible talk of the social media platform.

So I understand that the unification title fight between Fury and Usyk may be possibly bound next year after Fury beats Joshua in their match this coming Dec.  What made me think that?  The exchange of words between the two champions is obvious.  And I considered that as great marketing ploy to catch the audience and boxing fans' attention.  Though I may be wrong but it is good if that happens .

Well the statement link by @JollyGood shows that Usyk is very much interested on a unification fight. It's just that Fury is putting a lot of pressure on Usyk to have the fight made this year (just like what he is pushing for a Joshua All British fight as well).

So Usyk just standing his ground and if the fight is going to happen, it will be in his terms like next year and in his beloved Ukraine.

The ball is now on Fury and I have no doubt that he can box and knockout Chisora in their fight, setting up a unification in the first quarter of 2023.

[JollyGood]

Usyk believes he will be defeat Fury, he genuinely believes it and he wants the fight to happen in the first quarter of 2023 in Ukraine.

As long as Fury defeats Chisora as expected, even if the fight will not happen in Ukraine I think Usyk will take it as long as the rematch takes place there because there will definitely be a rematch clause protecting both fighters.

As you said, all Fury has to do is defeat Chisora next month then he will probably finally have an opportunity to unify the belts.

Well the statement link by @JollyGood shows that Usyk is very much interested on a unification fight. It's just that Fury is putting a lot of pressure on Usyk to have the fight made this year (just like what he is pushing for a Joshua All British fight as well).

So Usyk just standing his ground and if the fight is going to happen, it will be in his terms like next year and in his beloved Ukraine.

The ball is now on Fury and I have no doubt that he can box and knockout Chisora in their fight, setting up a unification in the first quarter of 2023.

[inthelongrun]

And Fury may just want to keep this fight alive,

“We offered them the December 17 date in Saudi Arabia for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world and everybody wanted that date. Usyk said he was injured and isn’t ready until next year," Fury said.

“And now he’s saying I’m scared of him. The little sh!thouse middleweight. I’ll put my fist right through his face.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-usyk-said-he-ready-now-he-says-im-scared-hes-sh-thouse--169300

He call Usyk middleweight, lol, in any case, Fury is looking for either a Joshua or Usyk fight this December. He had a schedule already in December, but it seems he doesn't have a dance partner. When we thought that the Joshua fight is lock-in, there are still things need to be settled. And so he calls Usyk again, I don't think he is injured or what, he just want to take a break after winning against Joshua.

I think Usyk is evading Fury.  It is not that he wanted a break, I believe Usyk wanted to prolong his stay in the spotlight because there is a huge possibility that the spotlight would be taken away from him the moment he decided to fight Fury.  In short, probably Usyk camp isn't confident about winning against Fury.    It is just my thought though and shouldn't be considered as fact.

The statement of Usyk is probably adding fuel to the excitement and controversy making their possible upcoming fight caters more attention.  And I think that is a very entertaining move to fire up their fans and the boxing audience, making them the possible talk of the social media platform.

So I understand that the unification title fight between Fury and Usyk may be possibly bound next year after Fury beats Joshua in their match this coming Dec.  What made me think that?  The exchange of words between the two champions is obvious.  And I considered that as great marketing ploy to catch the audience and boxing fans' attention.  Though I may be wrong but it is good if that happens .

Well the statement link by @JollyGood shows that Usyk is very much interested on a unification fight. It's just that Fury is putting a lot of pressure on Usyk to have the fight made this year (just like what he is pushing for a Joshua All British fight as well).

So Usyk just standing his ground and if the fight is going to happen, it will be in his terms like next year and in his beloved Ukraine.

The ball is now on Fury and I have no doubt that he can box and knockout Chisora in their fight, setting up a unification in the first quarter of 2023.

Most championship-level fighters can only fight a maximum of 3 times a year. 4 fights are possible only when they stopped their previous opponents easily in the early rounds without receiving damages in return.

Usyk just fought last August 20 against AJ for 12 full rounds. Let's say a month of full rest and relaxation while at the same time negotiating a Fury fight. Usyk then needs another 3 months from light training up to the full training camp. Tyson Fury knows his December dates bluffs aren't feasible unless Usyk is willing to give more advantage to the WBC champion.

Usyk called Fury scared upon knowing that Fury pushes thru a December fight with a different opponent. Because it hampers the realistic proposed date which is the first quarter of next year. Although Fury cherry-picked an unranked Derek Chisora, I bet he will be needing time to heal his body if his opponent can manage to win at least 5 rounds in the judges' scorecards. 

[lionheart78]

Well the statement link by @JollyGood shows that Usyk is very much interested on a unification fight. It's just that Fury is putting a lot of pressure on Usyk to have the fight made this year (just like what he is pushing for a Joshua All British fight as well).

If this is the case, since Usyk had a full 12 round fight against his previous opponent,  Fury is taking advantage of incomplete recuperation of Usyk, that way he will have an advantage in the fight.  I thought Usyk is evading Fury because Fury has better chance of winning.  So I was proven wrong since Usyk wanted the unification fight until he is fully recovered from his previous fight.

So Usyk just standing his ground and if the fight is going to happen, it will be in his terms like next year and in his beloved Ukraine.

Make sense, since rushing the fight this year may hinder Usyk full recovery and might affect his training too which can give advantage to Fury.

The ball is now on Fury and I have no doubt that he can box and knockout Chisora in their fight, setting up a unification in the first quarter of 2023.

I also think the same, since looking at Chisora's boxing record, he is more likely to end up kissing the canvas (but of course, Chisora with 23 KOs out of 33 wins, an upset is also possible)

[Jating]

True, Fury is calling his way but Usyk is not going to bite on his bluff. He just won a hard fight and then Fury calling him to fight this December. Usyk has every right to decline for reasons of health as he needs to recuperate his body and getting it prep for the next challenge. So Fury is playing his best mind games here, and now going to settle for a fighter that he has beaten already.

What do you think about the split though? should it be 50/50 or Fury will get the biggest share even though he has only 1 belt, but I the most recognized amongst the world boxing bodies?

[JollyGood]

Do you think Fury (if he wins against Chisora) will be unable to ready to fight Usyk in March 2023? It will be the biggest pay day of his life and it will be an opportunity to make history by joining an elite few by unifying the belts.

Most championship-level fighters can only fight a maximum of 3 times a year. 4 fights are possible only when they stopped their previous opponents easily in the early rounds without receiving damages in return.

Usyk just fought last August 20 against AJ for 12 full rounds. Let's say a month of full rest and relaxation while at the same time negotiating a Fury fight. Usyk then needs another 3 months from light training up to the full training camp. Tyson Fury knows his December dates bluffs aren't feasible unless Usyk is willing to give more advantage to the WBC champion.

Usyk called Fury scared upon knowing that Fury pushes thru a December fight with a different opponent. Because it hampers the realistic proposed date which is the first quarter of next year. Although Fury cherry-picked an unranked Derek Chisora, I bet he will be needing time to heal his body if his opponent can manage to win at least 5 rounds in the judges' scorecards.

[lionheart78]

What do you think about the split though? should it be 50/50 or Fury will get the biggest share even though he has only 1 belt, but I the most recognized amongst the world boxing bodies?

I think 50/50 is fine, they are both title holders except that USYK had way more.  Often times the split favors the one who is more popular and favored by viewers.  It has something to do with whoever will give more revenue to the fight.  So we can say, the extra belt of Usyk is even out by the popularity of Fury.  It is a psywar actually, at the end of the day the fighter who is more eager for the fight to happen will give in to the demand of the opposing boxer.

Do you think Fury (if he wins against Chisora) will be unable to ready to fight Usyk in March 2023? It will be the biggest pay day of his life and it will be an opportunity to make history by joining an elite few by unifying the belts.

It all depends on the result of the coming match against Chisora.  If Fury knocks Chisora out without absorbing any heavy blows from his opponent, he might be ready to face Usyk in March 2023 because he doesn't need too much time for recovery.  Fury can prepare for the fight after a 2 weeks recuperation which can give him 2 months to prepare.  But if the fight lasts till 12 rounds then I think Fury will be requesting the rescheduling of the fight to a later date probably the month of April or May.

[Baofeng]

Well the statement link by @JollyGood shows that Usyk is very much interested on a unification fight. It's just that Fury is putting a lot of pressure on Usyk to have the fight made this year (just like what he is pushing for a Joshua All British fight as well).

If this is the case, since Usyk had a full 12 round fight against his previous opponent,  Fury is taking advantage of incomplete recuperation of Usyk, that way he will have an advantage in the fight.  I thought Usyk is evading Fury because Fury has better chance of winning.  So I was proven wrong since Usyk wanted the unification fight until he is fully recovered from his previous fight.

Right, it will really take months for Usyk to recover from that very physical fight against AJ. But what Fury do? rush Usyk for a fight this December and for sure sure Fury knows that it is not going to happen and then he make it looks like Usyk doesn't want to fight him and was "afraid".

And if Fury won comfortably against Chisora, not get damage that much, win in less than 10 rounds, then possible that he can be battle ready by March-April of next year for a mega fight with Usyk.

[lionheart78]

Bumping this thread discussion rather than creating a new one, because there is another USYK-Fury fight discussion roaming around

According to the news[1], Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk location teased as promoter gives promising fight update.  The fight is planned to happen if both parties agree on a date between February 18 and March 4 next year.  They plan to hold the fight on one of the three middle eastern countries because of huge payout.

Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk’s representatives are currently in talks with three Middle Eastern countries about hosting the proposed heavyweight unification clash in 2023. According to Usyk’s promoter, Alexander Krassyuk, Wembley and Cardiff are also in place as backup options

If the fight won't happen until March 4, Krassyuk claims that if the fight is not made by March 4 then it will never happen.

Hopefully, this news is not a hopium for fans.  It has been long awaited for these two giants to have a unification fight but one way or another the fight never happen and this time I hope the two camp agreed to get it on.



[1] https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/1711686/Tyson-Fury-Oleksandr-Usyk-location-date-Alexander-Krassyuk-boxing-news

[yazher]

Bumping this thread discussion rather than creating a new one, because there is another USYK-Fury fight discussion roaming around

According to the news[1], Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk location teased as promoter gives promising fight update.  The fight is planned to happen if both parties agree on a date between February 18 and March 4 next year.  They plan to hold the fight on one of the three middle eastern countries because of huge payout.

This is, of course, the right decision for both of them because they cannot literally fight currently in Ukraine because it may gonna be their worse nightmare if Russia decided to fire a missile in that stadium in the midst of their intense exchanges. Considering their popularity in the middle east, I'm sure it would be a good decision and safe compared to what Usyk wants. It would be a blockbuster there, especially since it's a unification bout for these two, and also Fury once again wants to prove himself he can beat anybody in the weight division.

[dothebeats]

Even if Usyk stands at 6'3, Fury still towers over him, and Fury's reach would really help in keeping his distance against Usyk and land some jabs that can potentially be dangerous to the Ukrainian boxer. However, Usyk's height can also be an advantage to him as he will always have access to Fury's chin and can even deal some body shots without losing too much power at delivery. Both are great fighters with incredible records in the ring, but Fury's experience, physical attributes, and overall presence in the ring is just overall superior against his Ukrainian opponent.

[hilariousetc]

Bumping this thread discussion rather than creating a new one, because there is another USYK-Fury fight discussion roaming around

According to the news[1], Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk location teased as promoter gives promising fight update.  The fight is planned to happen if both parties agree on a date between February 18 and March 4 next year.  They plan to hold the fight on one of the three middle eastern countries because of huge payout.

Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk’s representatives are currently in talks with three Middle Eastern countries about hosting the proposed heavyweight unification clash in 2023. According to Usyk’s promoter, Alexander Krassyuk, Wembley and Cardiff are also in place as backup options

If the fight won't happen until March 4, Krassyuk claims that if the fight is not made by March 4 then it will never happen.

Hopefully, this news is not a hopium for fans.  It has been long awaited for these two giants to have a unification fight but one way or another the fight never happen and this time I hope the two camp agreed to get it on.



[1] https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/1711686/Tyson-Fury-Oleksandr-Usyk-location-date-Alexander-Krassyuk-boxing-news

It'll almost certainly happen. They seem to have agreed terms in principle and now just have to decide on the venue/county. It's the biggest fight for both of them and I think it's the first time in 20 years that the opportunity to become undisputed champion has been there so they'd be stupid to not get this fight over the line. I'm sure they're trying to wrangle as much money out of the Middle East as possible which is probably the only reason pen hasn't been put to paper yet. The only thing that could hold it up is both fighters mandatory bouts which will be enforced if they don't get this thing signed and officially done soon. I don't think either party will be as stupid to throw away this opportunity over greed.

[Welsh]

I'm sure the promoters are hashing out their terms right now, and we'll probably get a lot of talk from Fury's side about how the fight isn't going to happen, and Usyk is taking his time. You know, the usual. I imagine then they'll be more fighting talk, than the banter we've seen recently. Potentially from both sides as Fury starts to annoy Usyk.

It has to happen either that or the Fury vs Joshua fight. No other fights make sense, especially with these fighters being at the tail end of their career.

[Yaunfitda]

I'm sure the promoters are hashing out their terms right now, and we'll probably get a lot of talk from Fury's side about how the fight isn't going to happen, and Usyk is taking his time. You know, the usual. I imagine then they'll be more fighting talk, than the banter we've seen recently. Potentially from both sides as Fury starts to annoy Usyk.

It has to happen either that or the Fury vs Joshua fight. No other fights make sense, especially with these fighters being at the tail end of their career.

But it seems that Usyk is not being affected by Fury's action in the public?

Usyk standing his ground, he will take his time and if this fight is going to happen, it will obviously happen next year. There are talks that it should be in Ukraine, but I doubt it. Yeah, next biggest fight is Fury vs Joshua, again, it might have lost the luster of a all British showdown because Joshua lost to Usyk, but still though, there are a lot of money going to be made here so both sides should consider it as well for next year.

[JollyGood]

Bumping this thread discussion rather than creating a new one, because there is another USYK-Fury fight discussion roaming around

I had no idea there was another thread, I was not focused on the boxing after the fight that was supposed to happen did not transpire and Fury went off to fight Chisora after Usyk stated he was not going to fight until early 2023 at the earliest.

According to the news[1], Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk location teased as promoter gives promising fight update.  The fight is planned to happen if both parties agree on a date between February 18 and March 4 next year.  They plan to hold the fight on one of the three middle eastern countries because of huge payout.

Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk’s representatives are currently in talks with three Middle Eastern countries about hosting the proposed heavyweight unification clash in 2023. According to Usyk’s promoter, Alexander Krassyuk, Wembley and Cardiff are also in place as backup options

If the fight won't happen until March 4, Krassyuk claims that if the fight is not made by March 4 then it will never happen.

Hopefully, this news is not a hopium for fans.  It has been long awaited for these two giants to have a unification fight but one way or another the fight never happen and this time I hope the two camp agreed to get it on.

It is the fight boxing fans want to see because unification bouts do not come along frequently. Where there is money there will be a way to find solutions and I am sure the fight will happen because both fighters are at the very near to end of their careers and would want to retire as unified champion.

This is, of course, the right decision for both of them because they cannot literally fight currently in Ukraine because it may gonna be their worse nightmare if Russia decided to fire a missile in that stadium in the midst of their intense exchanges. Considering their popularity in the middle east, I'm sure it would be a good decision and safe compared to what Usyk wants. It would be a blockbuster there, especially since it's a unification bout for these two, and also Fury once again wants to prove himself he can beat anybody in the weight division.

It is understandable why Usyk would want the fight to take place in Ukraine but in practical terms there is no chance it will go ahead there. Fury should try to push to have the fight in the UK but we will see the drama unfold over the coming days.

[Baofeng]

^^ I would rather see this fight being made in England though, money wise it will be the best decision for Usyk as well. Of course, he wanted it to happen in his country, but there are going to be problems infrastructure wise that in doesn't make sense for promoters to push for it.

And most likely it could happen next year, after Usyk has healed and then Fury already rested from his tune up fight against Chisora.

Hopefully negotiations is still alive in this one, because the hype is obviously amongst us to see this unification fight.

[eaLiTy]

^^ I would rather see this fight being made in England though, money wise it will be the best decision for Usyk as well. Of course, he wanted it to happen in his country, but there are going to be problems infrastructure wise that in doesn't make sense for promoters to push for it.

It is not just the infrastructure problem that is hindering the fight in Ukraine, the war is still ongoing and if Usyk says he wants the fight to take place in a war zone he is just out of his mind  . Financial wise, GCC countries like Saudi and UAE is a good option as they are willing to spend huge amount for these fights to happen and then England is the best spot as this is the most anticipated fight in boxing and a money grab for everyone involved.

[JollyGood]

It'll almost certainly happen. They seem to have agreed terms in principle and now just have to decide on the venue/county. It's the biggest fight for both of them and I think it's the first time in 20 years that the opportunity to become undisputed champion has been there so they'd be stupid to not get this fight over the line. I'm sure they're trying to wrangle as much money out of the Middle East as possible which is probably the only reason pen hasn't been put to paper yet. The only thing that could hold it up is both fighters mandatory bouts which will be enforced if they don't get this thing signed and officially done soon. I don't think either party will be as stupid to throw away this opportunity over greed.

The fight will go ahead because as you said neither party will be stupid to throw the opportunity away. If they want to maximise sentimental value it stands to reason Usyk would want it to take place in Ukraine but looking at it logically that would be almost impossible. If the boxers want to get the largest possible share of the purse the fight will probably take place in the Middle East. I think it is inevitable, Fury vs Usyk will go ahead in 2023 without either boxer being forced in to mandatory bouts elsewhere.

I'm sure the promoters are hashing out their terms right now, and we'll probably get a lot of talk from Fury's side about how the fight isn't going to happen, and Usyk is taking his time. You know, the usual. I imagine then they'll be more fighting talk, than the banter we've seen recently. Potentially from both sides as Fury starts to annoy Usyk.

It has to happen either that or the Fury vs Joshua fight. No other fights make sense, especially with these fighters being at the tail end of their career.

With the Fury vs Usyk fight being the biggest opportunity for all involved to make phenomenal amounts of money, that is the fight that has to go ahead. Fury was going all out trying to get Joshua in the ring but after losing to Usyk twice it would have been a huge mistake for Joshua to fight Fury and risk losing three consecutive fights.

Surely the Fury vs Usyk fight makes sense over anything else and if the boxers want it they will sign the contracts soon to end the speculation.

[hilariousetc]

It'll almost certainly happen. They seem to have agreed terms in principle and now just have to decide on the venue/county. It's the biggest fight for both of them and I think it's the first time in 20 years that the opportunity to become undisputed champion has been there so they'd be stupid to not get this fight over the line. I'm sure they're trying to wrangle as much money out of the Middle East as possible which is probably the only reason pen hasn't been put to paper yet. The only thing that could hold it up is both fighters mandatory bouts which will be enforced if they don't get this thing signed and officially done soon. I don't think either party will be as stupid to throw away this opportunity over greed.

The fight will go ahead because as you said neither party will be stupid to throw the opportunity away. If they want to maximise sentimental value it stands to reason Usyk would want it to take place in Ukraine but looking at it logically that would be almost impossible. If the boxers want to get the largest possible share of the purse the fight will probably take place in the Middle East. I think it is inevitable, Fury vs Usyk will go ahead in 2023 without either boxer being forced in to mandatory bouts elsewhere.

Even if there wasn't a war going on it's very unlikely to be held in Ukraine. These mega fights are usually either in the UK, US, or the middle east. When you've got a big British fighter the logical place is to do it in the UK so you can have that massive gate and inf ront of fans, but the middle east also practically being in the same time zone is another option since they often pay 5x the amount they'd get elsewhere and that makes up for the loss in ticket sales. Fury can't go to the USA yet either unless he gets his visa situation sorted so this fight will either be in London or Abu Dhabi. Given the amount of money Fury is gonna be wanting the latter seems more likely. They should probably try get two fights sorted and both parties will probably want a rematch so do one home and abroad.

[JollyGood]

I was not aware Abu Dhabi was in the frame was a potential venue. When I mentioned the Middle East as a possibility I was thinking on the lines of Saudi Arabia because they have hosted two Joshua fights there.

Regardless of where the possible venues are touted, there would be no better place for Fury to have it than the UK at a football stadium such as Wembley or Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. If Usyk had a choice he would choose a neutral venue therefore any place except the UK. I think the rematch clauses will be inserted therefore two fights should be guaranteed to take place but the winning bid for the venue should implement a clause of their own to ensure they stage the rematch should the losing fighter invoke it.

Bob Arum has been talking as usual saying the boxers have agreed to fight therefore that is a good sign.

Even if there wasn't a war going on it's very unlikely to be held in Ukraine. These mega fights are usually either in the UK, US, or the middle east. When you've got a big British fighter the logical place is to do it in the UK so you can have that massive gate and inf ront of fans, but the middle east also practically being in the same time zone is another option since they often pay 5x the amount they'd get elsewhere and that makes up for the loss in ticket sales. Fury can't go to the USA yet either unless he gets his visa situation sorted so this fight will either be in London or Abu Dhabi. Given the amount of money Fury is gonna be wanting the latter seems more likely. They should probably try get two fights sorted and both parties will probably want a rematch so do one home and abroad.

[lionheart78]

Surely the Fury vs Usyk fight makes sense over anything else and if the boxers want it they will sign the contracts soon to end the speculation.

A unification bout always makes sense.  This caters to a lot of interest and speculation that fuels the game regardless of who is fighting. They target the middle east because many fights in that region are profitable.  It was also stated in the article I shared in bumping this thread.  Hopefully, both camps will come to an agreement else, if the fight doesn't happen before March 4, 2023, the promoter of Usyk, Krassyuk stated that the fight will never happen.

The pair are set to face each other on a date between February 18 and March 4 next year with Krassyuk claiming that if the fight is not made by March 4 then it will never happen.

[JollyGood]

I think it is just hype if they are giving deadlines by which the fight must take place otherwise it will never happen. If the two boxers (Fury and Usyk) decide to have the fight it will take place whether it is before or after 4th March 2023. As for the Middle East as a probable venue, it will take place where the money takes it, that is usual is business.

A unification bout always makes sense.  This caters to a lot of interest and speculation that fuels the game regardless of who is fighting. They target the middle east because many fights in that region are profitable.  It was also stated in the article I shared in bumping this thread.  Hopefully, both camps will come to an agreement else, if the fight doesn't happen before March 4, 2023, the promoter of Usyk, Krassyuk stated that the fight will never happen.

[inthelongrun]

This fight is not happening in early March. Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang. This means we need at least 3 months excluding the days of negotiations. I believe serious talks will only resume after the New Year as well. If an agreement, especially the major details are sealed in early January then we will expect this unification to happen in April. This fight is going to be huge no matter the location. I prefer a neutral venue though to be fair with Usyk. Middle East countries are most likely the ones with better offers unless Bob Arum will try to bring this fight to the US.

Do you think Fury (if he wins against Chisora) will be unable to ready to fight Usyk in March 2023? It will be the biggest pay day of his life and it will be an opportunity to make history by joining an elite few by unifying the belts.

Most championship-level fighters can only fight a maximum of 3 times a year. 4 fights are possible only when they stopped their previous opponents easily in the early rounds without receiving damages in return.

Usyk just fought last August 20 against AJ for 12 full rounds. Let's say a month of full rest and relaxation while at the same time negotiating a Fury fight. Usyk then needs another 3 months from light training up to the full training camp. Tyson Fury knows his December dates bluffs aren't feasible unless Usyk is willing to give more advantage to the WBC champion.

Usyk called Fury scared upon knowing that Fury pushes thru a December fight with a different opponent. Because it hampers the realistic proposed date which is the first quarter of next year. Although Fury cherry-picked an unranked Derek Chisora, I bet he will be needing time to heal his body if his opponent can manage to win at least 5 rounds in the judges' scorecards.

[KTChampions]

This fight is not happening in early March. Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang. This means we need at least 3 months excluding the days of negotiations. I believe serious talks will only resume after the New Year as well. If an agreement, especially the major details are sealed in early January then we will expect this unification to happen in April. This fight is going to be huge no matter the location. I prefer a neutral venue though to be fair with Usyk. Middle East countries are most likely the ones with better offers unless Bob Arum will try to bring this fight to the US.

I would rather believe that Fury will arrange an alcohol/cocaine marathon than that the Christian holidays will interfere with his preparation 
In general, I will be happy even if this fight takes place in April or May - it is in any case better than seeing another garbage fight. I didn’t watch the fight with Chisora even in highlights.

[JollyGood]

This fight is not happening in early March. Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang. This means we need at least 3 months excluding the days of negotiations. I believe serious talks will only resume after the New Year as well. If an agreement, especially the major details are sealed in early January then we will expect this unification to happen in April. This fight is going to be huge no matter the location. I prefer a neutral venue though to be fair with Usyk. Middle East countries are most likely the ones with better offers unless Bob Arum will try to bring this fight to the US.

There is nothing to suggest Fury will avoid having the fight in and around March 2023. How devout exactly is he? It was mentioned earlier that Usyk was a religious person but seriously we are talking about multi-million pay days for both boxers therefore how much longer will they be able to delay the fight that all boxing fans want to see? If a promoter insists on it taking place in March or April and offers the money, the boxers and their teams will oblige whether they are religious or not.

Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang.

I would rather believe that Fury will arrange an alcohol/cocaine marathon than that the Christian holidays will interfere with his preparation 
In general, I will be happy even if this fight takes place in April or May - it is in any case better than seeing another garbage fight. I didn’t watch the fight with Chisora even in highlights.

I think it will take place between March 2023 and May 2023. Maybe at the very latest it will be June 2023 but that is it. Can they really delay the fight beyond June 2023?

[Baofeng]

This fight is not happening in early March. Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang. This means we need at least 3 months excluding the days of negotiations. I believe serious talks will only resume after the New Year as well. If an agreement, especially the major details are sealed in early January then we will expect this unification to happen in April. This fight is going to be huge no matter the location. I prefer a neutral venue though to be fair with Usyk. Middle East countries are most likely the ones with better offers unless Bob Arum will try to bring this fight to the US.

There is nothing to suggest Fury will avoid having the fight in and around March 2023. How devout exactly is he? It was mentioned earlier that Usyk was a religious person but seriously we are talking about multi-million pay days for both boxers therefore how much longer will they be able to delay the fight that all boxing fans want to see? If a promoter insists on it taking place in March or April and offers the money, the boxers and their teams will oblige whether they are religious or not.

Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang.

I would rather believe that Fury will arrange an alcohol/cocaine marathon than that the Christian holidays will interfere with his preparation 
In general, I will be happy even if this fight takes place in April or May - it is in any case better than seeing another garbage fight. I didn’t watch the fight with Chisora even in highlights.

I think it will take place between March 2023 and May 2023. Maybe at the very latest it will be June 2023 but that is it. Can they really delay the fight beyond June 2023?

Well the first stumbling block is that Usyk wanted to take a rest after his Joshua fight and so the original schedule of December that Fury is pitching went to Chisora. But once this year is over, first quarter of 2023 will be a good schedule and again, this fight should be in British soil.

So yeah, probably between March-May and hopefully there will be no more delays as we have been waiting for this unification fight.

Fury the A-side getting the lion share of the purse, and Usyk and his team should agree to that.

[serjent05]

I think it is just hype if they are giving deadlines by which the fight must take place otherwise it will never happen. If the two boxers (Fury and Usyk) decide to have the fight it will take place whether it is before or after 4th March 2023. As for the Middle East as a probable venue, it will take place where the money takes it, that is usual is business.

Creating a sense of urgency huh?  It is a nice marketing strategy since it can easily get the boxer fans' attention.  Looks like now or never thing, i bet lots of boxing fans fall to this deadline of the promoter of Usyk, beside, it looks like the fight is really about to happen since they are looking for a possible host country atm.  I bet they will prefer the Middle East because of the huge profit result of the recent matches that choose to host the fight in that region.

[JollyGood]

Joshua could have taken on Fury instead of watching Chisora do it but it seems he did not want to risk losing three consecutive fights. Fury pushed hard to make the fight happen and willing to make compromises but in the end it did not take place and now will probably never take place now. I put the blame at the Joshua camp for that.

A 70/30 or 60/40 split of the purse should be accepted by boxers in regular fights but both will probably end up with a 50/50 share here. The larger the purse the larger the share for each boxer therefore neither should be complaining. One holds the main WBC belt and the other holds the remaining belts.

Well the first stumbling block is that Usyk wanted to take a rest after his Joshua fight and so the original schedule of December that Fury is pitching went to Chisora. But once this year is over, first quarter of 2023 will be a good schedule and again, this fight should be in British soil.

So yeah, probably between March-May and hopefully there will be no more delays as we have been waiting for this unification fight.

Fury the A-side getting the lion share of the purse, and Usyk and his team should agree to that.

[yazher]

I would rather believe that Fury will arrange an alcohol/cocaine marathon than that the Christian holidays will interfere with his preparation 
In general, I will be happy even if this fight takes place in April or May - it is in any case better than seeing another garbage fight. I didn’t watch the fight with Chisora even in highlights.

Longer preparation in such a great fight like this is an exception because we are witnessing another big history in boxing once again this time. This will be another chance for both of them to prove to the world who is the most outstanding boxer in their weight division. We don't want any less than that because no one can really manage to defeat these guys right now and that has been proven already they really need to clash inside the ring just before they get retired.

[KTChampions]

I would rather believe that Fury will arrange an alcohol/cocaine marathon than that the Christian holidays will interfere with his preparation 
In general, I will be happy even if this fight takes place in April or May - it is in any case better than seeing another garbage fight. I didn’t watch the fight with Chisora even in highlights.

I think it will take place between March 2023 and May 2023. Maybe at the very latest it will be June 2023 but that is it. Can they really delay the fight beyond June 2023?

11 months have passed between Usyk's fights with AJ, so if we take an analogy, we can assume that the Usyk-Fury fight can take place even in July and it will be "normal". In any case, I hope Fury will not run from Usyk and we see this fight in a reasonable amount of time. But even May or March 2023 seems so far away now 

[JollyGood]

I doubt Fury will run from any fight.

Let us not forget he chased Wilder for the fight to happen even though Fury himself was not in the best shape of fitness and then he chased and compromised on every level to try to fight Joshua but Joshua did not sign the contract citing all sorts of excuses. After that, in order to keep fit he ended up fighting Chisora.

The Usyk camp have to make a decision of they want to fight Fury. If Usyk does not agree to a fight with Fury he will have to face a mandatory challenger or will have to surrender his titles.

11 months have passed between Usyk's fights with AJ, so if we take an analogy, we can assume that the Usyk-Fury fight can take place even in July and it will be "normal". In any case, I hope Fury will not run from Usyk and we see this fight in a reasonable amount of time. But even May or March 2023 seems so far away now 

[KTChampions]

I doubt Fury will run from any fight.

Let us not forget he chased Wilder for the fight to happen even though Fury himself was not in the best shape of fitness and then he chased and compromised on every level to try to fight Joshua but Joshua did not sign the contract citing all sorts of excuses. After that, in order to keep fit he ended up fighting Chisora.

The Usyk camp have to make a decision of they want to fight Fury. If Usyk does not agree to a fight with Fury he will have to face a mandatory challenger or will have to surrender his titles.

11 months have passed between Usyk's fights with AJ, so if we take an analogy, we can assume that the Usyk-Fury fight can take place even in July and it will be "normal". In any case, I hope Fury will not run from Usyk and we see this fight in a reasonable amount of time. But even May or March 2023 seems so far away now 

But Fury was running from Klitschko. It seems to me that he is afraid of Usyk and is not opposed to "drag out" the deadline for holding the decisive battle as long as possible. The fact that he offered Joshua seemed to me initially something frivolous - how could Joshua, after the second defeat from Usyk, agree to a fight in such a short time? It was unreal and everyone knew about it.

[JollyGood]

We will not see eye to eye on this therefore better to move forward 

Fury vs Usyk - if the fight goes ahead, in your opinion who will win and in which round?

But Fury was running from Klitschko. It seems to me that he is afraid of Usyk and is not opposed to "drag out" the deadline for holding the decisive battle as long as possible. The fact that he offered Joshua seemed to me initially something frivolous - how could Joshua, after the second defeat from Usyk, agree to a fight in such a short time? It was unreal and everyone knew about it.

[inthelongrun]

This fight is not happening in early March. Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang. This means we need at least 3 months excluding the days of negotiations. I believe serious talks will only resume after the New Year as well. If an agreement, especially the major details are sealed in early January then we will expect this unification to happen in April. This fight is going to be huge no matter the location. I prefer a neutral venue though to be fair with Usyk. Middle East countries are most likely the ones with better offers unless Bob Arum will try to bring this fight to the US.

There is nothing to suggest Fury will avoid having the fight in and around March 2023. How devout exactly is he? It was mentioned earlier that Usyk was a religious person but seriously we are talking about multi-million pay days for both boxers therefore how much longer will they be able to delay the fight that all boxing fans want to see? If a promoter insists on it taking place in March or April and offers the money, the boxers and their teams will oblige whether they are religious or not.

Well, Fury and Usyk are superstars in this sport. At their level, they are the ones giving the final say, or their promoters might have problems retaining them once their contracts are done. They are too valuable that every promoter just wants to satisfy their demands.

Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang.

I would rather believe that Fury will arrange an alcohol/cocaine marathon than that the Christian holidays will interfere with his preparation 
In general, I will be happy even if this fight takes place in April or May - it is in any case better than seeing another garbage fight. I didn’t watch the fight with Chisora even in highlights.

I think it will take place between March 2023 and May 2023. Maybe at the very latest it will be June 2023 but that is it. Can they really delay the fight beyond June 2023?

I am just very confident that this fight is not happening in March. April onwards are the most feasible dates. If Canelo Alvarez won't fight in Cinco de Mayo due to his injury, then early May is a perfect date for this megafight.   

[hilariousetc]

This fight is not happening in early March. Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang. This means we need at least 3 months excluding the days of negotiations. I believe serious talks will only resume after the New Year as well. If an agreement, especially the major details are sealed in early January then we will expect this unification to happen in April. This fight is going to be huge no matter the location. I prefer a neutral venue though to be fair with Usyk. Middle East countries are most likely the ones with better offers unless Bob Arum will try to bring this fight to the US.

Devout Christian lol. The only church Fury will be going to every Sunday is the gym. Or the pub, but not during camp.

This fight is not happening in early March. Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang. This means we need at least 3 months excluding the days of negotiations. I believe serious talks will only resume after the New Year as well. If an agreement, especially the major details are sealed in early January then we will expect this unification to happen in April. This fight is going to be huge no matter the location. I prefer a neutral venue though to be fair with Usyk. Middle East countries are most likely the ones with better offers unless Bob Arum will try to bring this fight to the US.

There is nothing to suggest Fury will avoid having the fight in and around March 2023. How devout exactly is he? It was mentioned earlier that Usyk was a religious person but seriously we are talking about multi-million pay days for both boxers therefore how much longer will they be able to delay the fight that all boxing fans want to see? If a promoter insists on it taking place in March or April and offers the money, the boxers and their teams will oblige whether they are religious or not.

I don't think it has to happen in March that was just the date they had pencilled in. If both parties know that a deal is practically done and it's just ironing out the kinks they might already start camp soon without the contracts being fully done. You don't need more than 3 months so once xmas and New Years are done with they'll likely both be hitting the gym. It's probably just some small things that need sorting regarding the contracts.

We will not see eye to eye on this therefore better to move forward 

Fury vs Usyk - if the fight goes ahead, in your opinion who will win and in which round?

But Fury was running from Klitschko. It seems to me that he is afraid of Usyk and is not opposed to "drag out" the deadline for holding the decisive battle as long as possible. The fact that he offered Joshua seemed to me initially something frivolous - how could Joshua, after the second defeat from Usyk, agree to a fight in such a short time? It was unreal and everyone knew about it.

Fury on points. I don't think Usyk will get anywhere close to knocking out Tyson but he could win it on points but I wouldn't pick that outcome. The only trouble with this fight is I think it could be a boring one. Usyk is like Mayweather in that's he's a great boxer and very good defensively but not that exciting to watch.

[JollyGood]

Devout Christian lol. The only church Fury will be going to every Sunday is the gym. Or the pub, but not during camp.

I agree, I am fairly sure Easter will have nothing to do with a decision by Fury with regards to training and the fight date. I am not so sure about Usyk but still am confident if he has the contract on his table, he will sign in whether it is Easter or anything else.

We will not see eye to eye on this therefore better to move forward 

Fury vs Usyk - if the fight goes ahead, in your opinion who will win and in which round?

But Fury was running from Klitschko. It seems to me that he is afraid of Usyk and is not opposed to "drag out" the deadline for holding the decisive battle as long as possible. The fact that he offered Joshua seemed to me initially something frivolous - how could Joshua, after the second defeat from Usyk, agree to a fight in such a short time? It was unreal and everyone knew about it.

Fury on points. I don't think Usyk will get anywhere close to knocking out Tyson but he could win it on points but I wouldn't pick that outcome. The only trouble with this fight is I think it could be a boring one. Usyk is like Mayweather in that's he's a great boxer and very good defensively but not that exciting to watch.

After watching Fury go the distance on a couple of occasions recently, a points win could potentially be on the card but the danger with points decisions is that you never know if scorecard judges are even assessing and awarding properly. If either boxer clearly deserved the win but end up in a draw or dubious victory for the clear loser, then it will become very messy. I would like to see both boxers going for it but overall I think Fury will win before 12 rounds.

[JollyGood]

There is a $25 prize in a free lottery for the member that has the correct outcome for the Fury vs Usyk fight.

Full details here in JollyGood Free Lottery #1: FURY vs USYK (win $25)

[hilariousetc]

Looks like the fight is one step closer:

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1296818/tyson-fury-draft-contract-oleksandr-usyk-frank-warren/

Tyson Fury’s team send draft contract to Oleksandr Usyk as Frank Warren reveals progress towards undisputed heavyweight world title fight in March

This doesn't seem like a difficult fight to get made. It seems like Fury and Usyk's camps have been on the same page before negotiations even started so there's probably not many sticking points and I think they agreed to 50/50 a while back. If the fight is to go ahead in March they'll probably get this thing signed and announced very soon.

After watching Fury go the distance on a couple of occasions recently, a points win could potentially be on the card but the danger with points decisions is that you never know if scorecard judges are even assessing and awarding properly. If either boxer clearly deserved the win but end up in a draw or dubious victory for the clear loser, then it will become very messy. I would like to see both boxers going for it but overall I think Fury will win before 12 rounds.

Yeah, you can't afford to leave it up to the judges these days as they often have terrible opinions or biases come into play. I think this could be a really boring fight and if Fury doesn't get a KO I could see Usyk winning it on points due to him being very defensive and those sorts of fights can often get them the win. I'm sure Fury knows this but it's not going to be easy to get the KO. Fury could tire him out with this size and weight advantage though. I wonder if there will be a rematch clause?

[JollyGood]

Looks like the fight is one step closer:

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1296818/tyson-fury-draft-contract-oleksandr-usyk-frank-warren/

Hopefully the deal can be finalised and they can sign an actual contract soon.

This doesn't seem like a difficult fight to get made. It seems like Fury and Usyk's camps have been on the same page before negotiations even started so there's probably not many sticking points and I think they agreed to 50/50 a while back. If the fight is to go ahead in March they'll probably get this thing signed and announced very soon.

Both of them want to get in the ring and take each other on. They both know what is at stake here and they are both willing to whatever it takes to get a chance at becoming undisputed heavyweight champion.

Yeah, you can't afford to leave it up to the judges these days as they often have terrible opinions or biases come into play. I think this could be a really boring fight and if Fury doesn't get a KO I could see Usyk winning it on points due to him being very defensive and those sorts of fights can often get them the win. I'm sure Fury knows this but it's not going to be easy to get the KO. Fury could tire him out with this size and weight advantage though. I wonder if there will be a rematch clause?

I did not read anything about a rematch clause being added to the contract but they are fairly standard practice nowadays and are inserted in to almost all contracts. For both fighters, it makes sense to add it.

As for judges, you only have to look at what happened when Fury fought Wilder for the first time. Granted Fury the canvas and seemed to be on the verge of losing before miraculously getting up and dominating the fight for final couple of rounds but Fury should have been way ahead on all three scorecards yet it was awarded as a draw.


--------------

There is a $50 prize in a free lottery for the member that has the correct outcome for the Fury vs Usyk fight.

Full details here in JollyGood Free Lottery #1: FURY vs USYK (win $50)

[TopTort777]

Wait...What...The contract isnt signed yet? And this fight is only a talk right now? I thought they have a date and a place already. Then it will take months of talking, months of preparation, AJ might get involved again. Brrr... We might get another half a year or year without an interesting heavyweight boxers challenge. I think we are far away from this fight to happen. But, if this fight really happens, I believe Fury would just crash Usyk with his mass. Usyk would land more, but will get more damage. It will be either a doctors stoppage or UD by Fury.

[JollyGood]

To my knowledge there has been no announcement about the fight contract being signed. All that has happened has been Fury and Usyk both saying they agree in principle to fight each other next with an estimated date to be March 2023. The last I read was the Fury team had sent a contract to the Usyk team and it was being considered ( and that was two days ago).

Wait...What...The contract isnt signed yet? And this fight is only a talk right now? I thought they have a date and a place already. Then it will take months of talking, months of preparation, AJ might get involved again. Brrr... We might get another half a year or year without an interesting heavyweight boxers challenge. I think we are far away from this fight to happen. But, if this fight really happens, I believe Fury would just crash Usyk with his mass. Usyk would land more, but will get more damage. It will be either a doctors stoppage or UD by Fury.

[inthelongrun]

Usyk tweeted something to Fury earlier. It seems like he remained fit during the long holidays. I bet Belly gained a lot of weight after the long holidays. Weird it's the side of Fury that wanted a March date. Fury will be burning some of his fats in order to be a little quicker in order to catch Usyk.



Meanwhile, the IBF already canceled its mandatory order for Filip Hrgovic's title shot which means Usyk is now free to fight Fury without losing his IBF belt. I haven't heard yet from the WBA, WBC, and WBO but most likely they will do the same. AFAIK the WBO also has its interim champ Joe Joyce who's supposed to be next too but apparently, Joyce is also promoted by Frank Warren the same promoter of Fury, it should not be a problem I believe.

[JollyGood]

The WBC belt belongs to Fury and they cannot push him to fight their number one contender or threaten to remove his belt because he already fought in December. The issue of potentially losing belts is down to Usyk he holds several of them but in order to avoid mandatory number contenders for each belt he needs to fight soon. If they do not get the fight agreed to take place by March or April there could be issues where the WBO forces Usyk to fight their number one contender and at the same the WBA could do the same.

Usyk needs to get this contract issue sorted out soon before things start to complicated to the point where he could be stripped of some of his titles before he fights Fury. We want to see the winner of the fight being crowned undisputed heavyweight holding all the unified titles.

Meanwhile, the IBF already canceled its mandatory order for Filip Hrgovic's title shot which means Usyk is now free to fight Fury without losing his IBF belt. I haven't heard yet from the WBA, WBC, and WBO but most likely they will do the same. AFAIK the WBO also has its interim champ Joe Joyce who's supposed to be next too but apparently, Joyce is also promoted by Frank Warren the same promoter of Fury, it should not be a problem I believe.

[hilariousetc]

I did not read anything about a rematch clause being added to the contract but they are fairly standard practice nowadays and are inserted in to almost all contracts. For both fighters, it makes sense to add it.

As for judges, you only have to look at what happened when Fury fought Wilder for the first time. Granted Fury the canvas and seemed to be on the verge of losing before miraculously getting up and dominating the fight for final couple of rounds but Fury should have been way ahead on all three scorecards yet it was awarded as a draw.

Well rematch clauses are usually put in by the champ as a failsafe if they lose but they both have belts in this case so they probably don't need one, though both will likely want a chance to win their belts back should they lose. I'm sure if it's a good fight or even a close one people will want to see it again so they can probably easy make it again anyway. On the flipside both Fury and Usyk may not want to rematch if they win as there will be bigger fights and other belts to win so they might not want to be contractually obligated to go again so it's a catch 22. Rematch clauses can be annoying when they're forcing fighters to have two and sometimes even three fights which just holds the entire division up for a year and sometimes even more.

Wait...What...The contract isnt signed yet? And this fight is only a talk right now? I thought they have a date and a place already. Then it will take months of talking, months of preparation, AJ might get involved again. Brrr... We might get another half a year or year without an interesting heavyweight boxers challenge. I think we are far away from this fight to happen. But, if this fight really happens, I believe Fury would just crash Usyk with his mass. Usyk would land more, but will get more damage. It will be either a doctors stoppage or UD by Fury.

They probably have a venue provisionally locked down i.e. they've spoke to a London Arena or Dubai and can pencil in a date when the venue is empty/free so they have something to work with. That's how these things usually work but the venues can't keep themselves reserved for ever so that's why they need to get things done and dusted and then sign with the venue as well.

[JollyGood]

Well rematch clauses are usually put in by the champ as a failsafe if they lose but they both have belts in this case so they probably don't need one, though both will likely want a chance to win their belts back should they lose. I'm sure if it's a good fight or even a close one people will want to see it again so they can probably easy make it again anyway. On the flipside both Fury and Usyk may not want to rematch if they win as there will be bigger fights and other belts to win so they might not want to be contractually obligated to go again so it's a catch 22. Rematch clauses can be annoying when they're forcing fighters to have two and sometimes even three fights which just holds the entire division up for a year and sometimes even more.

Speaking of maybe three fights when it comes to rematch clauses, Fury and Warren are looking to have three fights on 2023 which means (according to media reports) back up your comments that there will not be a rematch clause when Fury takes on Usyk.

It seems as though Fury wants to fight Usyk and after that face Joyce who happens to be mandatory challenger for the WBO belt. The final boxer for the third fight has not been mentioned but Joshua has been ruled out.

As much as I admire Usyk for his technical skills and boxing brain, I cannot see him beating Fury by way of knockout or TKO. If Usyk wins it has to be on a points decision and it will probably not be a unanimous one because the judges will end up messing it up similar to awarding Wilder a draw against Fury in their first fight. Still, it is a boxing ring with two brilliant boxers fighting for a place in sporting history therefore anything can happen and either could win.


=====================

I wanted to bring this to the attention of those reading this thread that there is a free lottery with a $50 prize for the winner.

It is free to enter and there is a guaranteed $50 prize for the winner. All you have to do is to correctly select the winner between Fury and Usyk (along with the round the fight will end and how the winner will win) when they fight for the undisputed heavyweight championship. There 58 different slots therefore there is 1 in 58 chance of winning.

If you are interested to be allocated a free slot you can visit the thread here: JollyGood Free Lottery #1: FURY vs USYK

FREE LOTTERY SLOTS ALLOCATED: 14
FREE LOTTERY SLOTS AVAILABLE:  44

[hilariousetc]

Well rematch clauses are usually put in by the champ as a failsafe if they lose but they both have belts in this case so they probably don't need one, though both will likely want a chance to win their belts back should they lose. I'm sure if it's a good fight or even a close one people will want to see it again so they can probably easy make it again anyway. On the flipside both Fury and Usyk may not want to rematch if they win as there will be bigger fights and other belts to win so they might not want to be contractually obligated to go again so it's a catch 22. Rematch clauses can be annoying when they're forcing fighters to have two and sometimes even three fights which just holds the entire division up for a year and sometimes even more.

Speaking of maybe three fights when it comes to rematch clauses, Fury and Warren are looking to have three fights on 2023 which means (according to media reports) back up your comments that there will not be a rematch clause when Fury takes on Usyk.

It seems as though Fury wants to fight Usyk and after that face Joyce who happens to be mandatory challenger for the WBO belt. The final boxer for the third fight has not been mentioned but Joshua has been ruled out.

I would take that with a pinch of salt. I've lost count of how many times I've heard promoters say they're aiming for three fights in a year and then you get just the one or even zero. Pretty sure Eddie Hearn has said that about AJ for as long as I can remember and he's only fought once a year for the past three years. I'm sure in their head they want three fights to happen as that's pretty much the max a big fighter can do and obviously the more fights the more money in their pocket but as we can see it never works out that way. Just remember this post when we're in 2024 and lets see how many fights AJ and Fury have. I'm sure we'll get at least one each but I'd be very surprised if we get much more than that and certainly not three each. I'd expect three fights combined between them. With that being said, maybe we will get lucky as AJ needs a one or two tune up fights before he even considers someone like Fury and I suspect that's a big reason why that fight fell through as you'd just be throwing AJ to the wolves at that point.

There may not be a rematch clause as someone has to lose the belts in this situation but they may change their mind depending on the outcome of the fight and how well it does financially. If it's a huge money spinner and Abu Dhabi are willing to put up another chunk of cash for it don't be surprised if we see them go again. I could see either fighter wanting a rematch if they lose unless it's a very bad loss and they'd rather just move on. Of course there's mandatories that could throw a spanner in their plans as well. Personally I think I'd rather them just have the one fight then move onto other things.

[JollyGood]

I would take that with a pinch of salt. I've lost count of how many times I've heard promoters say they're aiming for three fights in a year and then you get just the one or even zero. Pretty sure Eddie Hearn has said that about AJ for as long as I can remember and he's only fought once a year for the past three years.

Hearn knows Joshua has lost his star power and it will not be coming back. Put it this way, who does Joshua have to beat before he can be taken seriously as a contender or champion? The way I see it, Joshua never recovered from the brutal defeat he suffered at the hands of Ruiz.

I'm sure in their head they want three fights to happen as that's pretty much the max a big fighter can do and obviously the more fights the more money in their pocket but as we can see it never works out that way. Just remember this post when we're in 2024 and lets see how many fights AJ and Fury have. I'm sure we'll get at least one each but I'd be very surprised if we get much more than that and certainly not three each. I'd expect three fights combined between them.

I expect Fury to defeat Usyk and the retire. I expect Usyk to lose to Fury and then retire. I expect Joshua will win his next fight then make a lot of noise about wanting to fight Fury but it will not happen and he will retire. Things could turn out different though 

With that being said, maybe we will get lucky as AJ needs a one or two tune up fights before he even considers someone like Fury and I suspect that's a big reason why that fight fell through as you'd just be throwing AJ to the wolves at that point.

Joshua had the opportunity to fight Fury a couple of months ago but refused even though Fury wanted to get him in the ring. Joshua knew his career was over if he was beaten by Fury therefore he could not take the chance. After all, Fury was WBC champion and Joshua lost his titles to Usyk.

There may not be a rematch clause as someone has to lose the belts in this situation but they may change their mind depending on the outcome of the fight and how well it does financially. If it's a huge money spinner and Abu Dhabi are willing to put up another chunk of cash for it don't be surprised if we see them go again. I could see either fighter wanting a rematch if they lose unless it's a very bad loss and they'd rather just move on. Of course there's mandatories that could throw a spanner in their plans as well. Personally I think I'd rather them just have the one fight then move onto other things.

I think having a rematch clause and then a fighter activating it will mean (for me) Fury beating Usyk twice.

[Baofeng]

So here's what Arum has to say as far as the venue and purse split goes, He said that he is waiting for the offer from Saudi Arabia investors to bring the fight to the Middle East, I'm sure this is the same set of investors that have been putting and bringing fights that involves Heavyweight matches in Saudi, so that is their first option. If there is no offer or if they deem the offer not acceptable then they second option is UK.

However, one stumbling block is the purse split, Usyk wants 50-50, but Arum insists that his boy Fury should get the lion share if the fight is going to be held in Wembley stadium as obviously this is Fury's home turf and will be the one bringing all the fans into the arena.

Source: Arum: Usyk Wants 50-50 For Fury Fight; That's Not Right If Their Fight Is At Wembley

[hilariousetc]

So here's what Arum has to say as far as the venue and purse split goes, He said that he is waiting for the offer from Saudi Arabia investors to bring the fight to the Middle East, I'm sure this is the same set of investors that have been putting and bringing fights that involves Heavyweight matches in Saudi, so that is their first option. If there is no offer or if they deem the offer not acceptable then they second option is UK.

However, one stumbling block is the purse split, Usyk wants 50-50, but Arum insists that his boy Fury should get the lion share if the fight is going to be held in Wembley stadium as obviously this is Fury's home turf and will be the one bringing all the fans into the arena.

Source: Arum: Usyk Wants 50-50 For Fury Fight; That's Not Right If Their Fight Is At Wembley

My guess is that they've already got the contracts done and dusted but are trying to milk the max amount of money from Saudi for the fight so that's what's causing the delay. This fight can of course take place in the UK and I'm betting they have a venue already reserved but they know they're not going to get anywhere near the amount the middle east will offer so are trying for that with the UK to fall back on. If there's a rematch maybe they will decide to do that in the UK 'for the fans' as they say (i.e. when Saudi isn't interested haha).

Uysk will probably want the fight in Saudi as well if what Arum says is true that Usyk doesn't deserve a 50/50 split if the fight is in the UK: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-11641261/Bob-Arum-says-50-50-purse-split-not-right-Tyson-Furys-title-fight-Oleksandr-Usyk.html

Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk will face each other in an undisputed title fight  
    Arum has said that the location of the fight will determine how the purse is split
    Saudi Arabia is the preferred location but the fight could take place in the UK
    Arum believes Fury should get the 'lion's share' if the fight takes place in the UK

I'm sure in their head they want three fights to happen as that's pretty much the max a big fighter can do and obviously the more fights the more money in their pocket but as we can see it never works out that way. Just remember this post when we're in 2024 and lets see how many fights AJ and Fury have. I'm sure we'll get at least one each but I'd be very surprised if we get much more than that and certainly not three each. I'd expect three fights combined between them.

I expect Fury to defeat Usyk and the retire. I expect Usyk to lose to Fury and then retire. I expect Joshua will win his next fight then make a lot of noise about wanting to fight Fury but it will not happen and he will retire. Things could turn out different though  

I don't think he will retire. He's already tried that a few times and said he doesn't know what else to do without boxing. Maybe he will retire from pro boxing and just do some crossover matches or big one off money fights but I still think he as a few fights left in him. There's Usyk, Joe Joyce and everyone still wants to see the AJ fight which I think will probably happen at some point but likely when both are past their prime. The AJ fight is still probably the biggest UK fight to make so both parties will want it. AJ just needs a couple of wins under him and I'm sure he will be fighting some bums soon enough then we'll likely start hearing rumblings of making that fight happen.

[JollyGood]

However, one stumbling block is the purse split, Usyk wants 50-50, but Arum insists that his boy Fury should get the lion share if the fight is going to be held in Wembley stadium as obviously this is Fury's home turf and will be the one bringing all the fans into the arena.

Source: Arum: Usyk Wants 50-50 For Fury Fight; That's Not Right If Their Fight Is At Wembley

If I understand correctly, Fury holds the WBC and The Ring whereas Usyk holds the IBF, WBA and WBO belts therefore only for the sake of a unification fight both boxers should go for a 50/50 split as they deserve it. They both got to this stage of their careers by being excellent in their skills and technique after making a lot of sacrifices hence i have no issues with the split regardless of where the fight takes place.

Why should Fury receive more of the split if the fight takes place in London but receive an equal share if it takes place outside the UK? The fight will be sold out if it were to take place in literally any arena in the world therefore Fury deserves no extra privileges as not does Usyk. That is my opinion.

I don't think he will retire. He's already tried that a few times and said he doesn't know what else to do without boxing. Maybe he will retire from pro boxing and just do some crossover matches or big one off money fights but I still think he as a few fights left in him. There's Usyk, Joe Joyce and everyone still wants to see the AJ fight which I think will probably happen at some point but likely when both are past their prime. The AJ fight is still probably the biggest UK fight to make so both parties will want it. AJ just needs a couple of wins under him and I'm sure he will be fighting some bums soon enough then we'll likely start hearing rumblings of making that fight happen.

Fury is not exactly young therefore if he achieves his goal of being unified champion (and becomes even wealthier in the process), he has got everything he ever wanted therefore changing career and retiring would not be such a bad thing if he can just make that step. I doubt he will fight Joshua because he already stated he will never fight him most probably because he could have him in December but ended up fighting Chisora when Joshua refused to get in the ring with Fury.

I think Fury should seriously think about retiring after the Usyk fight regardless of who wins or if he beats Usyk as expected he should make just one defence of his unified belts before retiring as undisputed heavyweight champion.

[inthelongrun]

However, one stumbling block is the purse split, Usyk wants 50-50, but Arum insists that his boy Fury should get the lion share if the fight is going to be held in Wembley stadium as obviously this is Fury's home turf and will be the one bringing all the fans into the arena.

Source: Arum: Usyk Wants 50-50 For Fury Fight; That's Not Right If Their Fight Is At Wembley

If I understand correctly, Fury holds the WBC and The Ring whereas Usyk holds the IBF, WBA and WBO belts therefore only for the sake of a unification fight both boxers should go for a 50/50 split as they deserve it. They both got to this stage of their careers by being excellent in their skills and technique after making a lot of sacrifices hence i have no issues with the split regardless of where the fight takes place.

Why should Fury receive more of the split if the fight takes place in London but receive an equal share if it takes place outside the UK? The fight will be sold out if it were to take place in literally any arena in the world therefore Fury deserves no extra privileges as not does Usyk. That is my opinion.

I think The Ring was already awarded to the Usyk-AJ rematch winner after Fury announced his retirement earlier. It was premature for The Ring to decide knowing Fury's personality who's always bluffing and talking but well, can't blame them either. Luckily, the WBC didn't vacate the title right away. Anyways, it makes sense that the purse should be 50/50. Who cares about the location, it will fill stadiums anywhere. This fight is historic as this will be the first-ever heavyweight undisputed fight in the 4-belt era. And the last time there was an undisputed heavyweight was when I was a kid wherein Lennox Lewis defeated Evander Holyfield.

Arum should just fuck off. Fury already mentioned last year that he accepts a 50/50 split. If there is someone that can be a little greedy and can even demand a little increase of the share if in case the fight happens in Wembly, it should be Usyk since he's not getting a neutral venue and has been exploited by the judges there when he fought AJ twice.

[Baofeng]

I guess the contention is that it's Fury's home town, so he is the one bringing fans to the sit in Wembley and so deserves more than tha 50/50 split and should be treated as the A-side.

I do agree that probably they wanted more money from the Saudi investors, they know they can deliver that huge amount just to bring the fight in the Middle East. And we all know how greedy they are, or shall we say wanting to maximized the profits for this biggest fight in Heavyweight in the last 5 years or so. And if that Middle East deal didn't push, obviously London will the fall back plan.

[Welsh]

Fury is not exactly young therefore if he achieves his goal of being unified champion (and becomes even wealthier in the process), he has got everything he ever wanted therefore changing career and retiring would not be such a bad thing if he can just make that step. I doubt he will fight Joshua because he already stated he will never fight him most probably because he could have him in December but ended up fighting Chisora when Joshua refused to get in the ring with Fury.

I think Fury should seriously think about retiring after the Usyk fight regardless of who wins or if he beats Usyk as expected he should make just one defence of his unified belts before retiring as undisputed heavyweight champion.

Who puts the most bums on the the seats? Fury, right? Even if you're a Usyk fan I'm sure you can admit that Fury has the most following. Now, whether or not he's the better fighter remains to be seen, but considering how popular Fury is I can see why he does get the majority of the share. Usyk doesn't seem like the person to squabble over money too much though, so I expect if both parties genuinely want this fight, there won't be any money issues.

I can't help, but hope Fury clears the division first by beating Joshua, and Usyk. If he loses, I can't see him stopping either. He's had problems with not being involved in boxing in the past, and that could play into his decision to retire. Which, unfortunately means he'll probably rack up a few losses in his career towards the end.

[hilariousetc]

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1306658/yson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-fight-update-frank-warren-negotiations-location-date/

Frank Warren keeps popping up on Talksport and it seems to me it's a done deal now other than trying to wrangle the most amount of money out of Saudi for it:

“We’re expecting a couple of offers this week, but none of them have come through and then Tyson has to make his decision,” Warren said.

“I hope it’s going to happen at the end of March, early April, that’s where we’re looking at the moment.

“So, fingers crossed we get it over the line for that date, but it will definitely, definitely happen.”

I hope this doesn't come back to bite them. They will know Saudi is desperate for it and will put up a lot of cash but if they're asking for ludicrous sums how far is Saudi gonna go? When they delay things to try milk money it's how fights end up getting dragged on and then never getting finalised as all parties involved can't wait around for ever.

Fury is not exactly young therefore if he achieves his goal of being unified champion (and becomes even wealthier in the process), he has got everything he ever wanted therefore changing career and retiring would not be such a bad thing if he can just make that step. I doubt he will fight Joshua because he already stated he will never fight him most probably because he could have him in December but ended up fighting Chisora when Joshua refused to get in the ring with Fury.

I think Fury should seriously think about retiring after the Usyk fight regardless of who wins or if he beats Usyk as expected he should make just one defence of his unified belts before retiring as undisputed heavyweight champion.

He's not young but he's not exactly old either and I'd say he's still in his peak right now but the as the years pass that will quickly dwindle. AJ is still one of the biggest fights for them both so that's why he will want it and it's something British fans have been calling for for years. It's a guaranteed sellout and blockbuster event. I'm pretty sure it would even do more PPV buys than the Usyk fight. Tyson may or may not retire but most boxers end up fighting well past their prime. They either need the money or just can't seem to let it go (and is self-admittedly the case with Tyson). What else is he going to do? Just train others? Maybe, but boxing gives them motivation and discipline and without it they become lost and easily fall into bad habits.

I guess the contention is that it's Fury's home town, so he is the one bringing fans to the sit in Wembley and so deserves more than tha 50/50 split and should be treated as the A-side.

I do agree that probably they wanted more money from the Saudi investors, they know they can deliver that huge amount just to bring the fight in the Middle East. And we all know how greedy they are, or shall we say wanting to maximized the profits for this biggest fight in Heavyweight in the last 5 years or so. And if that Middle East deal didn't push, obviously London will the fall back plan.

Fury would sell more tickets in the UK for sure but it still takes two to tango. I'm not sure Usyk would be happy if they've already agreed to 50/50 and then Tyson's camp tries to wrangle some more money out of it just because it's in the UK. They both have belts so neither fighter is the A-side other than maybe how large they measure their potential respective fanbases but not sure how they do that other than looking at PPV buys and tickets sold etc.

[JollyGood]

Fury already mentioned last year that he accepts a 50/50 split. If there is someone that can be a little greedy and can even demand a little increase of the share if in case the fight happens in Wembly, it should be Usyk since he's not getting a neutral venue and has been exploited by the judges there when he fought AJ twice.

If I recall correctly, Fury even offered 60/40 or 50/50 to Joshua to fight in December therefore money cannot be the main factor here. Both boxers are fighting the clock, they are not getting any younger and would like to get their name in the history book.

I guess the contention is that it's Fury's home town, so he is the one bringing fans to the sit in Wembley and so deserves more than tha 50/50 split and should be treated as the A-side.

I believe Fury is from the north of the country and most definitely not from London but having the fight anywhere in the UK would be a sell-out and most of the public in the stadium would be rooting for Fury. Having said that, does it really mean he deserves more than 50% share of the purse, I am not sure about that.

Who puts the most bums on the the seats? Fury, right? Even if you're a Usyk fan I'm sure you can admit that Fury has the most following. Now, whether or not he's the better fighter remains to be seen, but considering how popular Fury is I can see why he does get the majority of the share. Usyk doesn't seem like the person to squabble over money too much though, so I expect if both parties genuinely want this fight, there won't be any money issues.

I can't help, but hope Fury clears the division first by beating Joshua, and Usyk. If he loses, I can't see him stopping either. He's had problems with not being involved in boxing in the past, and that could play into his decision to retire. Which, unfortunately means he'll probably rack up a few losses in his career towards the end.

The reality is Fury is far bigger a name than Usyk or Joshua or any other heavyweight and without a doubt he can use his popularity to his advantage. I think he is far too clever to get beaten before he retires, I see him refusing to fight Joshua but if it happened and belts were on the line it would be good for British boxing but probably a very bad day for Joshua as it will be another defeat.

Fury is not exactly young therefore if he achieves his goal of being unified champion (and becomes even wealthier in the process), he has got everything he ever wanted therefore changing career and retiring would not be such a bad thing if he can just make that step. I doubt he will fight Joshua because he already stated he will never fight him most probably because he could have him in December but ended up fighting Chisora when Joshua refused to get in the ring with Fury.

I think Fury should seriously think about retiring after the Usyk fight regardless of who wins or if he beats Usyk as expected he should make just one defence of his unified belts before retiring as undisputed heavyweight champion.

He's not young but he's not exactly old either and I'd say he's still in his peak right now but the as the years pass that will quickly dwindle. AJ is still one of the biggest fights for them both so that's why he will want it and it's something British fans have been calling for for years. It's a guaranteed sellout and blockbuster event. I'm pretty sure it would even do more PPV buys than the Usyk fight. Tyson may or may not retire but most boxers end up fighting well past their prime. They either need the money or just can't seem to let it go (and is self-admittedly the case with Tyson). What else is he going to do? Just train others? Maybe, but boxing gives them motivation and discipline and without it they become lost and easily fall into bad habits.

Fury seems to have a settled down life with his wife and kids therefore I cannot see him spiralling out of control after he retires. The problem with fighters approaching mid-30s is that they can get complacent and suffer shock losses. Fury will not risk it, I mean if he beats Usyk does he really need to fight again? Yes any Fury vs Joshua fight would sell-out but in the end does Fury need it especially if he is holding the belts and Joshua has none?

Maybe Fury can control himself and have motivations as well as discipline outside of a life away from the boxing ring. He deserves it after dominating in and off for many years.

[Welsh]

I think he is far too clever to get beaten before he retires, I see him refusing to fight Joshua but if it happened and belts were on the line it would be good for British boxing but probably a very bad day for Joshua as it will be another defeat.

I don't know about that. I don't think it's being clever or not. It's just boxers, and in general combat sports athletes tend to go on a little longer than they probably should. Call it a love for the game or whatever, but there's been a lot of examples. Even the greats, like Mike Tyson probably went on longer than they should have. He even returned for a exhibition probably because he misses boxing.

Fury has already had withdrawal effects from boxing when he wasn't doing it, and has said that he needs to train to keep himself sane. So, he might find that retiring for real, might have that effect on him again. I know he's apparently retired since then, but that was mainly talk in my opinion.

[Baofeng]

Fury calling out Usyk,

https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/status/1615424370553327634

Lol, him calling Usyk "Rabbit" is funny as hell, as as Frank Warren co-promoter of Tyson Fury,

"Both sides want the fight and are up for the fight. We are in a like mind. I don't think we're far off from announcing it. It's basically just a couple of things behind the scenes we're just trying to get sorted. I won't go into it as I don't want to compromise the situation. News is pretty imminent now," Warren told Seconds Out.

https://www.boxingscene.com/frank-warren-on-fury-usyk-news-pretty-imminent-now--171941

I'm banking that this fight is going to be in Middle East? the money is there to be make if Arum And Warren can pushed the fight in Saudi Arabia and probably that's what they have done in this fight, I reckon.

What you guys think?

[Cryptmuster]

Usyk tweeted something to Fury earlier. It seems like he remained fit during the long holidays. I bet Belly gained a lot of weight after the long holidays. Weird it's the side of Fury that wanted a March date. Fury will be burning some of his fats in order to be a little quicker in order to catch Usyk.

If Fury loses a little fat, then this is unlikely to help him compare with Usyk in terms of speed, at least approximately. Usyk has always maintained a good shape, this should be done by every professional. And Fury does not know what he wants, then he decides to end his career (and it is clear that in this case for him hard to find motivation for intensive training), but an athlete must always keep himself in good shape, although we are talking about Fury, he not particularly worried about it.

[inthelongrun]

Usyk tweeted something to Fury earlier. It seems like he remained fit during the long holidays. I bet Belly gained a lot of weight after the long holidays. Weird it's the side of Fury that wanted a March date. Fury will be burning some of his fats in order to be a little quicker in order to catch Usyk.

If Fury loses a little fat, then this is unlikely to help him compare with Usyk in terms of speed, at least approximately. Usyk has always maintained a good shape, this should be done by every professional. And Fury does not know what he wants, then he decides to end his career (and it is clear that in this case for him hard to find motivation for intensive training), but an athlete must always keep himself in good shape, although we are talking about Fury, he not particularly worried about it.

Being heavy means the footwork and hand speed will be slower. Tyson Fury knows how to use his weight and adjusts when necessary. It is true that he cannot be quicker than Usyk but adding a little quickness helps. There were reasons why Tyson Fury went lighter than his usual weight against the smart yet slower Wladimir Klitschko because he needs his lateral movements and quickness to outmaneuver the long-time champion. Tyson Fury went heavier than usual in the 2nd and 3rd fights against Deontay Wilder because the American is not fast enough and the impact of those killer blows will be minimized by the added weight.

Usyk is not the usual heavy-handed fighter so I am liking Fury to come in at 250-260 pounds.

[hilariousetc]

Tyson did a couple of interviews during the Eubank/Smith fight last night and one thing that surprised me is he's still very interested in that Francis fight which I thought he might try dismiss since he's got so much else potentially going on. Maybe they actually almost got the fight done behind the scenes when they were hyping it up but Francis' UFC situation was blocking it: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-francis-ngannou-fight-29018572

Fury seems to have a settled down life with his wife and kids therefore I cannot see him spiralling out of control after he retires. The problem with fighters approaching mid-30s is that they can get complacent and suffer shock losses. Fury will not risk it, I mean if he beats Usyk does he really need to fight again? Yes any Fury vs Joshua fight would sell-out but in the end does Fury need it especially if he is holding the belts and Joshua has none?

Maybe Fury can control himself and have motivations as well as discipline outside of a life away from the boxing ring. He deserves it after dominating in and off for many years.

Fury has been settled down with wife and kids for years and was married at 18 or 19 before he was even a pro boxer. He needs more than a wife and kids in his life as it seems like he needs a reason to get out of bed in the morning and do something productive because if he doesn't have something to work towards it seemingly consumes him and depression takes over and he falls back into bad habits (though I guess that's also true for most of us).

I'm banking that this fight is going to be in Middle East? the money is there to be make if Arum And Warren can pushed the fight in Saudi Arabia and probably that's what they have done in this fight, I reckon.

What you guys think?

Well that's what they want as that's where the money is. I just hope the promoters aren't getting too greedy because this fight should have been done and dusted ages ago and we all know that Saudi wanted it as they publicly said so and had already made an offer for the fight last year but Usyk wanted the rest of the year off after the AJ fight and to spend Christmas and new years with his family which is understandable.

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12790589/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-venue-the-only-issue-for-heavyweight-unification-bout-says-bob-arum

Bob Arum has revealed the venue is the only remaining obstacle to the heavyweight unification fight between Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk being confirmed, with the Middle East leading the race.

Arum, the CEO of Fury's American promoters Top Rank, told Sky Sports News the WBC king and WBA, WBO and IBF champion Usyk have agreed to the showdown and expects a location to be finalised in the next week.

An unspecified country in the Middle East is the likely host for the hotly-anticipated contest due to the huge sums of money being talked about for both boxers, but if that does not happen then Wembley Stadium would be on the table.

That screams to me that it's now just about the money.

[Baofeng]

^^ For sure, it's all about money and that's why at least on Arum's side, they keep on mentioning Middle East as their first choice because of the huge money they are going to get from their Saudi investors. Eddie Hearn already knows that as he has stages fight in Saudi already, so it make sense for this greedy promoters to strike while the iron is hot as this oil rich country's billionaires are willing to shell out huge money for this kind of fight. And maybe in the next 5 years or so, it will be the venue to held mega fights because of this reasons.

[hilariousetc]

Looks like it's Fury being greedy holding this fight up and Usyk called him out for it earlier:

Details have not been finalised with a venue and date yet to be sealed, despite it being made clear that Saudi Arabia is in the most prominent position to offer a lucrative deal to host the event. In a fresh update on where negotiations have reached, Top Rank promoter Bob Arum has claimed that Usyk's team have already reached a deal with the Middle Eastern country, so it is only left for Fury to be settled on the contract.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-news-29029780

Usyk wrote: "Fury, you talk about greatness in Boxing. At the same time you say 'give me a lot of money'. Greatness in Boxing is not determined by money, greatness comes from a victorious path. You say that I avoid you, although I never have, and in fact I've come to you. I'm ready to box with you even without any prize money!"

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/oleksandr-usyk-tyson-fury-boxing-29046693

If Fury walks away from this then I'm going to lose a lot of respect for him. He's probably trying to squeeze as much money out of this as he can get rather than just take the already ridiculously huge deal that will be on the table. Seems Tyson's promoter is now mentioning Joe Joyce as another opponent. Tyson can fight him after that.

[Welsh]

The thing is, even if Usyk doesn't want a whole lot of money himself, his promoters likely will. I usually tend to think that the promoters are the one's that prevent fights from happening instead of the actual fighters. Although, there's been multiple accusations in regards to Fury holding up deals, including Joshua. So, there might be some merit to it.

I never really pay too much attention to it though, as there always seems to be these kinds of problems in negotiations, and the majority of them never get resolved. Unfortunately, it's us fans that lose out. One of the reasons I don't get to involved with boxing is because you'll get excited for a fight, and it'll never happen, even though it probably is the only logical step forward for both fighters.

[Lida93]

^^ For sure, it's all about money and that's why at least on Arum's side, they keep on mentioning Middle East as their first choice because of the huge money they are going to get from their Saudi investors. Eddie Hearn already knows that as he has stages fight in Saudi already, so it make sense for this greedy promoters to strike while the iron is hot as this oil rich country's billionaires are willing to shell out huge money for this kind of fight. And maybe in the next 5 years or so, it will be the venue to held mega fights because of this reasons.

The amount of money that's expected to be generated from this fight is one that can only come from no where but the Middle East and the organisers of the fight understands this so well. And these deep pocket owners in the East don't mind pulling out their resources for a big fight as that.
You may call it greed on the side of the organisers but that's what  it entails for them to keep being in business, cause fighting has gone beyond just entertainment.

[KTChampions]

~
If Fury walks away from this then I'm going to lose a lot of respect for him. He's probably trying to squeeze as much money out of this as he can get rather than just take the already ridiculously huge deal that will be on the table. Seems Tyson's promoter is now mentioning Joe Joyce as another opponent. Tyson can fight him after that.

I think it's even worse - Fury, under various pretexts, will try to avoid Usyk for as long as possible (hoping that someone else will defeat him, for example, Wilder). I wrote such assumptions before, but I did not think that they would come true so accurately. Fury the coward was running from Klitschko and now he is running from Usyk. I think there can be no serious talk about the "greatness" of this doping addict.

[Welsh]

I think it's even worse - Fury, under various pretexts, will try to avoid Usyk for as long as possible (hoping that someone else will defeat him, for example, Wilder). I wrote such assumptions before, but I did not think that they would come true so accurately. Fury the coward was running from Klitschko and now he is running from Usyk. I think there can be no serious talk about the "greatness" of this doping addict.

Not sure if that's the case. If you look at the biggest fights in the last five years, Fury has been the headliner for them. I can't remember the last time Joshua or Wilder were in big fights that didn't involve Fury. Joshua's fight against Ruiz was only a big deal, because Joshua unexpectedly lost. If it wasn't for him losing that, Ruiz wasn't really a massive name before that. A good fighter, but a massive name he wasn't.

Joshua has basically been fighting the same fighters over, and over for the longest time. Usyk is relatively new to the division, but obviously did have some relatively big fights before moving to heavyweight.

[hilariousetc]

The thing is, even if Usyk doesn't want a whole lot of money himself, his promoters likely will. I usually tend to think that the promoters are the one's that prevent fights from happening instead of the actual fighters. Although, there's been multiple accusations in regards to Fury holding up deals, including Joshua. So, there might be some merit to it.

I dunno about that. Promoters probably only get 10-20%, right? If the fight doesn't happen then they get 10-20% of zero so the promoters probably just want the fight to happen rather than trying to greedily squeeze a little extra out of it and risk it falling through. In the AJ/Fury potential fight it looked like Warren was desperate for it to happen and was doing everything he could to try make it so but it was Fury putting silly arbitrary deadlines on it and then he pulled out when in reality they probably could have made the fight if they'd been given time. Hearn seemed like he wanted the fight also, or at least publicly he was very keen. The only issue I could see if is they were worried another loss - which would be likely - would further damage his brand. Dazn may have played a part in that also given they signed him on a huge deal, though I'm sure they would have been happy to show that fight it would not have been in their favour given it was a Tyson Fury promotion.

I never really pay too much attention to it though, as there always seems to be these kinds of problems in negotiations, and the majority of them never get resolved. Unfortunately, it's us fans that lose out. One of the reasons I don't get to involved with boxing is because you'll get excited for a fight, and it'll never happen, even though it probably is the only logical step forward for both fighters.

Yeah, it's probably one of the biggest issues in boxing today. Rather than try sort the fights out publicly and through the media they should probably just work them out in private and behind the scenes and then only announce them when the contracts are signed. For instance, if Fury wants to fight AJ he should have their respective promoters just get the contracts done now without any chat in the media and then once they're done and dusted then announce it. You don't even have to fight next or straight away just get the contracts done for a fight at the end of the year or something.

[JollyGood]

I don't know about that. I don't think it's being clever or not. It's just boxers, and in general combat sports athletes tend to go on a little longer than they probably should. Call it a love for the game or whatever, but there's been a lot of examples. Even the greats, like Mike Tyson probably went on longer than they should have. He even returned for a exhibition probably because he misses boxing.

Fury has already had withdrawal effects from boxing when he wasn't doing it, and has said that he needs to train to keep himself sane. So, he might find that retiring for real, might have that effect on him again. I know he's apparently retired since then, but that was mainly talk in my opinion.

Fury does need the boxing ring for now but it is a mental battle. As soon as he realises he is not as dependant on the boxing ring as thought he would be able to walk away. He is in mid-30s now therefore even he knows he has not got more than maybe 3 fights left but more likely two.

I'm banking that this fight is going to be in Middle East? the money is there to be make if Arum And Warren can pushed the fight in Saudi Arabia and probably that's what they have done in this fight, I reckon.

What you guys think?

That is not a done deal yet. If the fight does go ahead then it could literally be anywhere because it would sell out any venue. I am not confident it will take place in the Middle East.

If Fury loses a little fat, then this is unlikely to help him compare with Usyk in terms of speed, at least approximately. Usyk has always maintained a good shape, this should be done by every professional. And Fury does not know what he wants, then he decides to end his career (and it is clear that in this case for him hard to find motivation for intensive training), but an athlete must always keep himself in good shape, although we are talking about Fury, he not particularly worried about it.

I have to agree here. Usyk throughout his career has been taking care of himself but most of the time Fury gets in the ring to face an opponent he does look like he trained well and is in a good place because his physique shows it. I doubt Fury, his team or his fans will be worried by the time he gets in the ring.

[TopTort777]

Usyk tweeted something to Fury earlier. It seems like he remained fit during the long holidays. I bet Belly gained a lot of weight after the long holidays. Weird it's the side of Fury that wanted a March date. Fury will be burning some of his fats in order to be a little quicker in order to catch Usyk.

If Fury loses a little fat, then this is unlikely to help him compare with Usyk in terms of speed, at least approximately. Usyk has always maintained a good shape, this should be done by every professional. And Fury does not know what he wants, then he decides to end his career (and it is clear that in this case for him hard to find motivation for intensive training), but an athlete must always keep himself in good shape, although we are talking about Fury, he not particularly worried about it.

All this fat is like an additional shield for Fury. Compared to other, big or fat heavyweight boxers, he is faster. I doubt that fat gives him any kind of discomfort or bothers him. Fat does not interfere him to fight against Wilder, it wont interfere him to fight Usyk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4USznqQGG4 <-- I think fat helped him a bit to decrease damage from such body shots. Body shape - that is the least thing I look at in heavyweights. Rarely we see a kidney or liver knockouts among heavyweights.

I also think that his fat body is part of his mental strategy. I believe his opponents are a bit furious when a fat guy beats them, or moves as fast as they, who spend hours in gyms.

As to Usyk, he has been in good shape because his is a natural cruiserweight. Usyk is currently lighters heavyweight. Same weight heavyweights were in 50s-70s (like Rocky Marciano). For example regular person of that age was much smaller than regular person of 21 century.

[Welsh]

The fighters also get 0% if they don't make the fight happen. So, there's equal incentive either way really. Promoters might only get 10-20%, but at the end of the day if they can push those numbers up their share gets bigger, therefore there's an incentive there for them to try, and get as much as they can.

Fighters just typically want to fight, and are already rolling in the money. I guess you could say the same for promoters though.

Yeah, it's probably one of the biggest issues in boxing today. Rather than try sort the fights out publicly and through the media they should probably just work them out in private and behind the scenes and then only announce them when the contracts are signed. For instance, if Fury wants to fight AJ he should have their respective promoters just get the contracts done now without any chat in the media and then once they're done and dusted then announce it. You don't even have to fight next or straight away just get the contracts done for a fight at the end of the year or something.

It makes me think that they're trying to build a mega fight, but that doesn't really make much sense since it's already one of the biggest events in boxing. I've wanted that fight for years, I don't care if Joshua has racked up some losses recently, I just want that fight to happen. Usyk, and Fury I'd like to see, but if I got to pick between the two it'd be Joshua. I know some think Usyk is technically better than Fury, but I don't really see that. Instead, I think Fury finds it easier than the Joshua fight. Assuming, that Joshua goes back to his old ways, and doesn't try to outbox Fury like he did with Usyk.

Ultimately, I just want the fights to happen. I feel boxing has lost a lot of support over the years simply because the fights that need to happen, don't actually happen.

[hilariousetc]

The fighters also get 0% if they don't make the fight happen. So, there's equal incentive either way really. Promoters might only get 10-20%, but at the end of the day if they can push those numbers up their share gets bigger, therefore there's an incentive there for them to try, and get as much as they can.

Fighters just typically want to fight, and are already rolling in the money. I guess you could say the same for promoters though.

But with promoters it's kind of a parasitic industry. If the fighters don't fight then they don't get paid anything and if it's between something or nothing then they'll take something but they will want the most amount of cash possible. There's no way someone like Frank Warren is going to want Fury to fight Dillian Whyte when AJ is potentially on the cards but Tyson seemed to not care about that but rather take the easier fight. Not sure why but the fighter will have the last say in things unless they're tied into a contract to deliver x amount of fights within a certain time frame or something. I don't even get why big fighters even have promoters these days. They're probably vital for getting into the game but once their initial contract is up and they've built a fanbase/audience then they should probably just go at it alone like Mayweather did. Tyson doesn't need to be giving 10-20% away to anybody now.

Yeah, it's probably one of the biggest issues in boxing today. Rather than try sort the fights out publicly and through the media they should probably just work them out in private and behind the scenes and then only announce them when the contracts are signed. For instance, if Fury wants to fight AJ he should have their respective promoters just get the contracts done now without any chat in the media and then once they're done and dusted then announce it. You don't even have to fight next or straight away just get the contracts done for a fight at the end of the year or something.

It makes me think that they're trying to build a mega fight, but that doesn't really make much sense since it's already one of the biggest events in boxing. I've wanted that fight for years, I don't care if Joshua has racked up some losses recently, I just want that fight to happen. Usyk, and Fury I'd like to see, but if I got to pick between the two it'd be Joshua. I know some think Usyk is technically better than Fury, but I don't really see that. Instead, I think Fury finds it easier than the Joshua fight. Assuming, that Joshua goes back to his old ways, and doesn't try to outbox Fury like he did with Usyk.

Ultimately, I just want the fights to happen. I feel boxing has lost a lot of support over the years simply because the fights that need to happen, don't actually happen.

I don't think there's anything to suggest they're trying to build up to it right now, but I think it will happen at some point despite Fury saying he doesn't care about it. It's still going to be one of the biggest UK fights ever and if they end their careers without fighting each other I don't think they'll ever live it down or stop hearing about it. It probably makes sense for AJ to get back on his feet with a few wins and maybe even win a belt back so there's something on the line for the fight though. Doesn't really make sense for either Tyson or AJ to keep fighting bums when they can fight each other and get what will possibly be the biggest payday of their career.

[KTChampions]

I think it's even worse - Fury, under various pretexts, will try to avoid Usyk for as long as possible (hoping that someone else will defeat him, for example, Wilder). I wrote such assumptions before, but I did not think that they would come true so accurately. Fury the coward was running from Klitschko and now he is running from Usyk. I think there can be no serious talk about the "greatness" of this doping addict.

Not sure if that's the case. If you look at the biggest fights in the last five years, Fury has been the headliner for them. I can't remember the last time Joshua or Wilder were in big fights that didn't involve Fury. Joshua's fight against Ruiz was only a big deal, because Joshua unexpectedly lost. If it wasn't for him losing that, Ruiz wasn't really a massive name before that. A good fighter, but a massive name he wasn't.

Joshua has basically been fighting the same fighters over, and over for the longest time. Usyk is relatively new to the division, but obviously did have some relatively big fights before moving to heavyweight.

I don’t understand why I should watch some fights if I remember how Fury was running from Klitschko and now it looks like he is running from Usyk? 
By the way, do you remember the fight with Wallin (left-hander) which was like a training one but Fury couldn't knock out his opponent and hung in the balance from a technical defeat starting the third round due to a cut? Obviously Usyk is more dangerous.

[Welsh]

Fury does need the boxing ring for now but it is a mental battle. As soon as he realises he is not as dependant on the boxing ring as thought he would be able to walk away. He is in mid-30s now therefore even he knows he has not got more than maybe 3 fights left but more likely two.

It's pretty hard to figure out what he needs. However, he said once he accomplished his biggest goal, nothing meant much after that. Now, I think that's actually quite a common thing for people who achieve their life long goal. However, he did go down the extreme end of things, this is probably due to having a lot of money, and the ability to use that money for drugs etc. That's what probably threw him off the rails a little bit. I think he's doing a lot better these days, and seems to appreciate his wife even more so than he did, which is lovely to see.

However, there's no telling if he's going to struggle once he has to retire, and he'll probably need another goal from something he enjoys doing. Seriously, when something becomes your identity, and you kind of lose it, that's incredibly hard to recover from. I really hope he does find peace after he retires, and I'm hoping he retires undefeated. However, only Tyson can decide that, and as I've said before I feel like he'll probably run it into the ground, like most undefeated fighters. They fight a little too long unfortunately.

[Erumo]

Reply to those who claim that Fury is fat: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnkS4tkjDvM/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=. This isnt fat, these are airbags. The kid that punches Fury is Stephen McKenna, professional boxer, welterweight. His punches are nothing compared to Usyk, but Fury is able to hold heavy punches. For example Fury has survived Bronze bomber head punch.

I give little chances for Usyk. He is experienced, but never faced such a heavy fighter before. Looks like Usyk did not have enough power to knockout Fury, when Fury can land a punch, daze Usyk and finish with a knockout. It does not look like Usyk is going to survive whole 12 round, to be able to win by points.

[KTChampions]

Reply to those who claim that Fury is fat: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnkS4tkjDvM/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=. This isnt fat, these are airbags. The kid that punches Fury is Stephen McKenna, professional boxer, welterweight. His punches are nothing compared to Usyk, but Fury is able to hold heavy punches. For example Fury has survived Bronze bomber head punch.

I give little chances for Usyk. He is experienced, but never faced such a heavy fighter before. Looks like Usyk did not have enough power to knockout Fury, when Fury can land a punch, daze Usyk and finish with a knockout. It does not look like Usyk is going to survive whole 12 round, to be able to win by points.

Strange analysis. I think if McKenna had punched Fury in the jaw, he would have knocked him out. The problem of a knockout is not the strength of the head, but an accented punch. If the boxer managed to do it, then the opponent falls. Usyk may well first outbox Fury and then “finish off” with a knockout punch when Fury is no longer able to defend himself. This is often the case in pairs of a smart boxer against a puncher: if a smart boxer survives in the early rounds, then in the end he will knock out and not him. Plus, this applies mainly to smaller weight categories - here, even in the first round, one lucky punch from any boxer can end the fight.

[inthelongrun]

Reply to those who claim that Fury is fat: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnkS4tkjDvM/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=. This isnt fat, these are airbags. The kid that punches Fury is Stephen McKenna, professional boxer, welterweight. His punches are nothing compared to Usyk, but Fury is able to hold heavy punches. For example Fury has survived Bronze bomber head punch.

I give little chances for Usyk. He is experienced, but never faced such a heavy fighter before. Looks like Usyk did not have enough power to knockout Fury, when Fury can land a punch, daze Usyk and finish with a knockout. It does not look like Usyk is going to survive whole 12 round, to be able to win by points.

That's an old video though. Saw that already a few years ago. Fury seems below 270 pounds in that video. And yes, Fury was fat in some of his fights. Boxing casuals may not see it but Fury had been adjusting his weights depending on his opponents unless they were cherry-picked or low risked opponents like Chisora and Whyte where weight is not an issue.

Another update into this historic fight. There is a targeted date already and obviously, this not happening in March. Hopefully, Arum stops pushing this fight in the UK where Usyk has been robbed of on some of his previous and obvious winning rounds. Cinco de Mayo weekend seems impossible now since the biggest name in boxing, Canelo Alvarez always gets the date he wants.

[Kemarit]

^^ I believed that it will be Saudi all along, maybe Arum just wanted to insert Wembley in the picture. But with the huge money that his Saudi friends are willing to put in line to get this fight in the Middle East, it might be too good to refuse by both camp specially Fury who might be asking for the bigger purse.

But we don't have any issues with regards to the venue, as long as we looking for a unification fight in Heavyweight now, then maybe majority will agree with me.

[Erumo]

Reply to those who claim that Fury is fat: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnkS4tkjDvM/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=. This isnt fat, these are airbags. The kid that punches Fury is Stephen McKenna, professional boxer, welterweight. His punches are nothing compared to Usyk, but Fury is able to hold heavy punches. For example Fury has survived Bronze bomber head punch.

I give little chances for Usyk. He is experienced, but never faced such a heavy fighter before. Looks like Usyk did not have enough power to knockout Fury, when Fury can land a punch, daze Usyk and finish with a knockout. It does not look like Usyk is going to survive whole 12 round, to be able to win by points.

Strange analysis. I think if McKenna had punched Fury in the jaw, he would have knocked him out. The problem of a knockout is not the strength of the head, but an accented punch. If the boxer managed to do it, then the opponent falls. Usyk may well first outbox Fury and then “finish off” with a knockout punch when Fury is no longer able to defend himself. This is often the case in pairs of a smart boxer against a puncher: if a smart boxer survives in the early rounds, then in the end he will knock out and not him. Plus, this applies mainly to smaller weight categories - here, even in the first round, one lucky punch from any boxer can end the fight.

People dont fell down from accented punch, they get knocked out by the punch they dont see. Accented punch can daze an opponent, that maximum. Nevertheless, those airbegs will be what Usyk will break his wrists against off.

I dont see Usyk winning this fight, no matter how hard he will try. People see only fat side of Fury, they think he is slow and clumsy. But he will be as fast as Usyk, heavier and more powerful than Usyk. Usyk will fight in his typical manner - lots of punches and movement/counter every punch with 3-4 of his own. Usyk can circle around Fury, but his punches wont be much effective. Fury can even allow to open himself for a punch, withstand it and counter his own punch, that Usyk wont withstand.

That is how I see their confrontation.

[KTChampions]

Strange analysis. I think if McKenna had punched Fury in the jaw, he would have knocked him out. The problem of a knockout is not the strength of the head, but an accented punch. If the boxer managed to do it, then the opponent falls. Usyk may well first outbox Fury and then “finish off” with a knockout punch when Fury is no longer able to defend himself. This is often the case in pairs of a smart boxer against a puncher: if a smart boxer survives in the early rounds, then in the end he will knock out and not him. Plus, this applies mainly to smaller weight categories - here, even in the first round, one lucky punch from any boxer can end the fight.

People dont fell down from accented punch, they get knocked out by the punch they dont see. Accented punch can daze an opponent, that maximum. Nevertheless, those airbegs will be what Usyk will break his wrists against off.

I dont see Usyk winning this fight, no matter how hard he will try. People see only fat side of Fury, they think he is slow and clumsy. But he will be as fast as Usyk, heavier and more powerful than Usyk. Usyk will fight in his typical manner - lots of punches and movement/counter every punch with 3-4 of his own. Usyk can circle around Fury, but his punches wont be much effective. Fury can even allow to open himself for a punch, withstand it and counter his own punch, that Usyk wont withstand.

That is how I see their confrontation.

Wow, why did you take a break from writing fantasy stories and start commenting on boxing?  Please read about the medical nature of knockout, just for self-education.

As for the picture of the battle that you drew, if you remove the fantastic part, it turns out that Usyk will win on points  In fact, we will see something like a repetition of the battle with AJ. Although myself I see a different scenario.

[JollyGood]

Would it be reasonable to say Fury would be no more and no less going to struggle as almost any other boxer? You are right, with the exception of just a few undefeated boxers, they mostly do fight a little too long and that becomes their biggest problem (they do not know when to retire).

If Fury is associated with boxing he will have to one day let go of it and find other things to do. If he stays in boxing after hanging up his gloves he will probably be a perfect fit whether he goes in to training, promoting or commentating. I am fairly sure Usyk will not win the fight against Fury but am unsure what will happen to his state of mind if he suffers his first professional loss. Both undefeated boxers in a real battle to be crowned undisputed unified heavyweight champion.

All boxing fans are looking forward to it.

Fury does need the boxing ring for now but it is a mental battle. As soon as he realises he is not as dependant on the boxing ring as thought he would be able to walk away. He is in mid-30s now therefore even he knows he has not got more than maybe 3 fights left but more likely two.

It's pretty hard to figure out what he needs. However, he said once he accomplished his biggest goal, nothing meant much after that. Now, I think that's actually quite a common thing for people who achieve their life long goal. However, he did go down the extreme end of things, this is probably due to having a lot of money, and the ability to use that money for drugs etc. That's what probably threw him off the rails a little bit. I think he's doing a lot better these days, and seems to appreciate his wife even more so than he did, which is lovely to see.

However, there's no telling if he's going to struggle once he has to retire, and he'll probably need another goal from something he enjoys doing. Seriously, when something becomes your identity, and you kind of lose it, that's incredibly hard to recover from. I really hope he does find peace after he retires, and I'm hoping he retires undefeated. However, only Tyson can decide that, and as I've said before I feel like he'll probably run it into the ground, like most undefeated fighters. They fight a little too long unfortunately.

[hilariousetc]

This fight has been dead in the water for weeks and it's all Fury's fault. Apparently everything is signed, they've both agreed terms, and Usyk has even agreed to his fee from Dubai but Tyson hasn't so he's basically trying to milk as much as possible out of this. Quite ridiculous for someone who apparently doesn't care about the money. Tyson has been more active on social media posting about the potential Ngannou fight... which I actually hope happens at some point but I hope he doesn't lead Francis on with this fight promising him the world only to have it 100% on his terms and give Francis a nominal amount. Hopefully Francis actually already has something concrete down to fight Fury because leaving the UFC was a huge risk otherwise and I'm not sure he would have done if he didn't think this mega fight was likely to happen which it wouldn't have whilst Francis was with the UFC.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21305038/francis-ngannou-tyson-fury-fight-agree/

Fury revealed his willingness to face vicious knockout artist Ngannou last month while lamenting the delay in finalising his historic clash with Usyk.

He said: "If the contract doesn't get signed with Usyk next for the fight of the century in boxing, then we'll do the Ngannou fight.

"If these fellas don't come up and sign the contract for the big fight, then we're moving on to greener pastures."

[TopTort777]

Not the first time Fury is stirring waters. First time situation with Joshua. Still not clear with who is responsible for their fight not happening. Fury, Joshua or managers. I see that Usyk posts on his Instagram funny videos taunting Fury.

I think that Fury does not want to fight anymore. He wants to stay in media space, be noticed. Since fight against Wilder, he did not have real opponents, or did not have to try hard preparing for the fight or fighting.

hilariousetc said that Fury is trying to milk as much as possible from his next fight. Anyone knows how much he has earned in last fights? Probably enough to provide his family enough with funds for next generations.

[YOSHIE]

I am fairly sure Usyk will not win the fight against Fury but am unsure what will happen to his state of mind if he suffers his first professional loss.

Many gambling fans and bettors say so, some even dare to take absolute knockout points, gambling bettors doubt Usyk to be able to beat Fury, but this time I ignore what people say about Usyk's doubts, optimism, confidence, the fist stand between Usyk vs. Fury, that Usyk could write new history in his future boxing career, no matter the difference of opinion, no, this time I have to follow my own instincts.

What do you think @JollyGood, am I wrong to judge Usyk can beat Fury.

reason:
To be honest, I don't look at the physical differences between the two, whether it's height or weight, if you look there, yes, I don't argue that Fury is superior to both, I will judge Usyk from his skill and mentality, to be honest, I salute Usyk, the mentality he has is not afraid to fight Fury in the boxing ring this time. that's the basis I'm willing to bet on him.

[AverageGlabella]

He said: "If the contract doesn't get signed with Usyk next for the fight of the century in boxing, then we'll do the Ngannou fight.

Ngannou would be a good fight but he probably wins easily. I think Wilder has more power then Ngannou and Fury has taken his best shots. Ngannou is slower and less agile then Wilder. Fury would be able to keep the distance and has the speed advantage. I think it could be a one sided fight which would be boring and would end the boxing career for Ngannou when he is exposed. I like Ngannou and hope he does not take this fight so early he should try and gain as much money as he can in boxing before he faces the final boss Fury.

Fury is annoying I never liked him but I respect his boxing ability he is one of the best heavyweight boxers of all time but he is annoying because he cares about money more then he does about legacy and he never makes the fights that should happen. I think they should hit him with a mandatory fight against usyk and the boxing promoters should have the power to do that. instead Fury will go fight a bum or Ngannou and collect his pay check stalling the heavyweight division again.

[JollyGood]

This fight has been dead in the water for weeks and it's all Fury's fault.

Well, it seem 29th April 2023 has been confirmed for the Fury vs Usyk fight but if Fury is doing what only Fury does best on social media it should not detract from the fact he wants to fight Usyk. I think the fight will go ahead because they have already invested a lot in to making it happen. There will be too many factions involved wanting a slice of the cash therefore they will ensure the fight goes ahead.

What do you think @JollyGood, am I wrong to judge Usyk can beat Fury.

reason:
To be honest, I don't look at the physical differences between the two, whether it's height or weight, if you look there, yes, I don't argue that Fury is superior to both, I will judge Usyk from his skill and mentality, to be honest, I salute Usyk, the mentality he has is not afraid to fight Fury in the boxing ring this time. that's the basis I'm willing to bet on him.

Absolutely, Usyk can beat Fury but in my opinion there is far more chance of Fury defeating Usyk than there is of Usyk defeating Fury. It will be fantastic fight to watch because the last time any heavyweight boxer held all the belts and was unified champion was in 1999 when Lennox Lewis did it.

At that time in 1999 there were only 3 belts but now there are 4 and (apart from the fight ending as a draw) one of these two technically gifted and powerful boxers will making history around 24 years after Lennox Lewis last did it.

[KTChampions]

This fight has been dead in the water for weeks and it's all Fury's fault. Apparently everything is signed, they've both agreed terms, and Usyk has even agreed to his fee from Dubai but Tyson hasn't so he's basically trying to milk as much as possible out of this. Quite ridiculous for someone who apparently doesn't care about the money. ~

Does anyone still doubt that it is Fury who is delaying the fight? 
Very strange behavior for a person who considers Usyk weak, who does not need money, etc. Of course, I understand that Fury has always been the way he is now, but still he is moving towards the circus and exhibition fights. It is a pity that Usyk is a cultured person and rather weakly mocks Fury.

[JollyGood]

Fury will be fighting Usyk on 29th April 2023, I cannot see any reason it will not go ahead because after all the hype about possible UFC bouts, it all comes down to one thing and it is the most important of all when it comes to boxing and that is money talks. If there is money on the table any fight can take place. Fury vs Usyk will definitely take place.

This fight has been dead in the water for weeks and it's all Fury's fault. Apparently everything is signed, they've both agreed terms, and Usyk has even agreed to his fee from Dubai but Tyson hasn't so he's basically trying to milk as much as possible out of this. Quite ridiculous for someone who apparently doesn't care about the money. ~

Does anyone still doubt that it is Fury who is delaying the fight? 
Very strange behavior for a person who considers Usyk weak, who does not need money, etc. Of course, I understand that Fury has always been the way he is now, but still he is moving towards the circus and exhibition fights. It is a pity that Usyk is a cultured person and rather weakly mocks Fury.

[KTChampions]

Fury will be fighting Usyk on 29th April 2023, I cannot see any reason it will not go ahead because after all the hype about possible UFC bouts, it all comes down to one thing and it is the most important of all when it comes to boxing and that is money talks. If there is money on the table any fight can take place. Fury vs Usyk will definitely take place.

Does anyone still doubt that it is Fury who is delaying the fight? 
Very strange behavior for a person who considers Usyk weak, who does not need money, etc. Of course, I understand that Fury has always been the way he is now, but still he is moving towards the circus and exhibition fights. It is a pity that Usyk is a cultured person and rather weakly mocks Fury.

It is enough to look into history to see that there are a million possible reasons for any even already organized fight not to take place. Some boxers can get injured or "injured" (if they want to avoid a fight), some boxers can get depressed or get caught on drugs/doping (I'm not hinting to Fury, I'm just directly saying, hehe). I hope that this fight will take place on April 29th but still I have big doubts about it.

[Baofeng]

Fury will be fighting Usyk on 29th April 2023, I cannot see any reason it will not go ahead because after all the hype about possible UFC bouts, it all comes down to one thing and it is the most important of all when it comes to boxing and that is money talks. If there is money on the table any fight can take place. Fury vs Usyk will definitely take place.

Does anyone still doubt that it is Fury who is delaying the fight? 
Very strange behavior for a person who considers Usyk weak, who does not need money, etc. Of course, I understand that Fury has always been the way he is now, but still he is moving towards the circus and exhibition fights. It is a pity that Usyk is a cultured person and rather weakly mocks Fury.

It is enough to look into history to see that there are a million possible reasons for any even already organized fight not to take place. Some boxers can get injured or "injured" (if they want to avoid a fight), some boxers can get depressed or get caught on drugs/doping (I'm not hinting to Fury, I'm just directly saying, hehe). I hope that this fight will take place on April 29th but still I have big doubts about it.

It's too big for Fury not to accept this fight either in UK or Middle East so for me I think it's more than they have iron it out and everything, against could boil down to the venue as both have it's advantages and disadvantages.

And I do agree that money talks, so if Saudi brings more money to the table, then Arum will deliver Fury then to the Saudis and so is Usyk.

[AverageGlabella]

Does anyone still doubt that it is Fury who is delaying the fight?  
Very strange behavior for a person who considers Usyk weak, who does not need money, etc. Of course, I understand that Fury has always been the way he is now, but still he is moving towards the circus and exhibition fights. It is a pity that Usyk is a cultured person and rather weakly mocks Fury.

No it is for sure Fury delaying the fight. Usyk has no reason to delay the fight he has said many times that he does not care about money and only cares about legacy he wants to have all the belts that Fury has. Fury has said he does not care about money but he is always stalling fights and I think this time he has been exposed for it because every time he is in negotiations with bigger fighters they always claim it is Fury that is delaying the fights. Wilder said that Fury was delaying the fight between them the 1st time and I think fury had the bigger reward for fighting. He does care about money he cares more about money then making the fights happen.

It's too big for Fury not to accept this fight either in UK or Middle East so for me I think it's more than they have iron it out and everything, against could boil down to the venue as both have it's advantages and disadvantages.

And I do agree that money talks, so if Saudi brings more money to the table, then Arum will deliver Fury then to the Saudis and so is Usyk.

What do they have to iron out? Usyk has publicly said he will give Fury the most money for the fight and he just wants to fight Fury at all costs. Fury is delaying the fight for more money which is wrong because he is already getting the most in the deal.

[JollyGood]

Win c.$50 on Free Lottery#1 JollyGood-Ratimov-Utopia: Fury vs Usyk

For those that have not already participated in the free lottery, you can select a number of your choice and you might be the one winning the prize $50. It is free to enter, just click the link and give it your best from the available numbers remaining in the OP.

As for those that have already chosen their numbers, I wish you success 

[hilariousetc]

He said: "If the contract doesn't get signed with Usyk next for the fight of the century in boxing, then we'll do the Ngannou fight.

Ngannou would be a good fight but he probably wins easily. I think Wilder has more power then Ngannou and Fury has taken his best shots. Ngannou is slower and less agile then Wilder. Fury would be able to keep the distance and has the speed advantage. I think it could be a one sided fight which would be boring and would end the boxing career for Ngannou when he is exposed. I like Ngannou and hope he does not take this fight so early he should try and gain as much money as he can in boxing before he faces the final boss Fury.

Fury is annoying I never liked him but I respect his boxing ability he is one of the best heavyweight boxers of all time but he is annoying because he cares about money more then he does about legacy and he never makes the fights that should happen. I think they should hit him with a mandatory fight against usyk and the boxing promoters should have the power to do that. instead Fury will go fight a bum or Ngannou and collect his pay check stalling the heavyweight division again.

I don't think Wilder has more power than Ngannou. Francis is probably one of the hardest hitters on the planet: https://www.givemesport.com/88105296-francis-ngannou-broke-world-record-for-hardest-punch-ever-in-2018/

Wilder has better technique and boxing IQ for sure but Francis pretty much uses his stature and build to just wildly swing punches from a different universe which if they land you're probably not going to remain upright. Ngannou wouldn't outbox either Wilder or Fury but he could certainly knock them both out if he just comes out swinging and bullies them with his sheer weight and size. If he tries to outbox them he's not going to but I also can't see him being easy to KO either. Maybe he can be tired out but I think it's going to be difficult to dodge everything Francis throws for a full 12 rounder and that's what makes the fight exciting for me. If it happens I hope Francis just comes out swinging charging at Fury and tries to go for an early KO. I think that would probably be his best bet at winning. If that doesn't work he can just lay off the gas and have a slower paced boxing match and hope a weakness in Fury's defence opens up and he can capitalise on it like Wilder did.

This fight has been dead in the water for weeks and it's all Fury's fault.

Well, it seem 29th April 2023 has been confirmed for the Fury vs Usyk fight but if Fury is doing what only Fury does best on social media it should not detract from the fact he wants to fight Usyk. I think the fight will go ahead because they have already invested a lot in to making it happen. There will be too many factions involved wanting a slice of the cash therefore they will ensure the fight goes ahead.

I don't think it's been confirmed yet. That's certainly the date they seem to be going for but if Fury doesn't put pen to paper because of greed then it'll just fall through or they'll have to do it in the UK, but then that just stalls the fight even more unless Usyk is quick to agree to a lesser deal which he might be reluctant to do.

[Welsh]

Honestly, if this deal falls through, and Fury ends up fighting another Chisora I think he'd lose me as a fan, which is mad to say because I honestly think he's the best of this generation. I just can't be arsed for his antics. Sometimes they can be funny, and entertaining like the batman suit. However, the squabbling over contracts constantly, and not giving the fans what they want is annoying. Especially, when he's probably got two big fights left realistically. Just get it done, beat Usyk, then beat Joshua, and he could become the undisputed greatest of his generation. At the moment, there's question marks over it, even though I think he wipes the floor with both of these men personally.

At this stage of his career, I thought he'd be more interested in cementing that image in people's head, rather than money. The Fury family have plenty of money, and I always thought once you get to a certain amount of money which the Fury family certainly have hit, there's no real point going for excessive amounts, just live your life at that point.

[KTChampions]

Honestly, if this deal falls through, and Fury ends up fighting another Chisora I think he'd lose me as a fan, which is mad to say because I honestly think he's the best of this generation. I just can't be arsed for his antics. Sometimes they can be funny, and entertaining like the batman suit. However, the squabbling over contracts constantly, and not giving the fans what they want is annoying. Especially, when he's probably got two big fights left realistically. Just get it done, beat Usyk, then beat Joshua, and he could become the undisputed greatest of his generation. At the moment, there's question marks over it, even though I think he wipes the floor with both of these men personally.

At this stage of his career, I thought he'd be more interested in cementing that image in people's head, rather than money. The Fury family have plenty of money, and I always thought once you get to a certain amount of money which the Fury family certainly have hit, there's no real point going for excessive amounts, just live your life at that point.

Maybe because just doing it is not so easy? It is obvious to me that Fury understands that defeating Usyk will not be easy, and in case of defeat, the whole image of the "great champion Fury" will be completely destroyed. The stakes are incredibly high, aren't they? And judging objectively, a victory over Usyk will give Fury less than a defeat from Usyk will take away from him, that is, it is mathematically beneficial for Fury that this fight does not take place at all. Plus, do not forget that Usyk is two years older than Fury, which means that time works for Fury. Everything is simple.

[hilariousetc]

Honestly, if this deal falls through, and Fury ends up fighting another Chisora I think he'd lose me as a fan, which is mad to say because I honestly think he's the best of this generation. I just can't be arsed for his antics. Sometimes they can be funny, and entertaining like the batman suit. However, the squabbling over contracts constantly, and not giving the fans what they want is annoying. Especially, when he's probably got two big fights left realistically. Just get it done, beat Usyk, then beat Joshua, and he could become the undisputed greatest of his generation. At the moment, there's question marks over it, even though I think he wipes the floor with both of these men personally.

At this stage of his career, I thought he'd be more interested in cementing that image in people's head, rather than money. The Fury family have plenty of money, and I always thought once you get to a certain amount of money which the Fury family certainly have hit, there's no real point going for excessive amounts, just live your life at that point.

I always find it bizarre when people with unimaginable wealth just don't retire and sail off into the sunset. That goes for everyone across the board but it's especially bad with boxers. The big ones make enough money to retire off one fight. Like how much money do you need? Fury probably has enough money to buy an island and build a mega mansion on it but he's haggling for even more out of what is already likely to be his highest pay day of his career.

What is baffling to me is Fury doesn't really seem that materialist or flashy. I mean, sure he's got a couple Gucci shirts and man-bags, but his house is pretty modest given the insane amount of money he makes. Unless he's planning to build a mansion on an island or retire his great great grandkids why do they need all this money? Sure, take what you can get but not at the expense of stalling a fight to squeeze as much juice out of it as you can. Usyk has agreed a fee and signed on the dotted line so Tyson should just take whatever they offered him which is probably already a lot more than what Usyk is getting. If this fight falls through I hope all Fury's fans turn on him because this stuff is getting ridiculous.

Honestly, if this deal falls through, and Fury ends up fighting another Chisora I think he'd lose me as a fan, which is mad to say because I honestly think he's the best of this generation. I just can't be arsed for his antics. Sometimes they can be funny, and entertaining like the batman suit. However, the squabbling over contracts constantly, and not giving the fans what they want is annoying. Especially, when he's probably got two big fights left realistically. Just get it done, beat Usyk, then beat Joshua, and he could become the undisputed greatest of his generation. At the moment, there's question marks over it, even though I think he wipes the floor with both of these men personally.

At this stage of his career, I thought he'd be more interested in cementing that image in people's head, rather than money. The Fury family have plenty of money, and I always thought once you get to a certain amount of money which the Fury family certainly have hit, there's no real point going for excessive amounts, just live your life at that point.

Maybe because just doing it is not so easy? It is obvious to me that Fury understands that defeating Usyk will not be easy, and in case of defeat, the whole image of the "great champion Fury" will be completely destroyed. The stakes are incredibly high, aren't they? And judging objectively, a victory over Usyk will give Fury less than a defeat from Usyk will take away from him, that is, it is mathematically beneficial for Fury that this fight does not take place at all. Plus, do not forget that Usyk is two years older than Fury, which means that time works for Fury. Everything is simple.

I don't think it will be easy for him but I don't think Tyson is that worried about it either. The risk is worth the reward regardless. It will likely be a career high payday and the first chance to unify all the belts in nearly 20 years. He also gets the kudos of beating another unbeaten person. There's more to gain than to lose in my opinion.

[KTChampions]

Maybe because just doing it is not so easy? It is obvious to me that Fury understands that defeating Usyk will not be easy, and in case of defeat, the whole image of the "great champion Fury" will be completely destroyed. The stakes are incredibly high, aren't they? And judging objectively, a victory over Usyk will give Fury less than a defeat from Usyk will take away from him, that is, it is mathematically beneficial for Fury that this fight does not take place at all. Plus, do not forget that Usyk is two years older than Fury, which means that time works for Fury. Everything is simple.

I don't think it will be easy for him but I don't think Tyson is that worried about it either. The risk is worth the reward regardless. It will likely be a career high payday and the first chance to unify all the belts in nearly 20 years. He also gets the kudos of beating another unbeaten person. There's more to gain than to lose in my opinion.

I don't think we should take into account the issue of money here at all, with his popularity and the hype around his persona, Fury will be able to earn (if he needs it) even in exhibition fights. And in general, he no longer suffers from a lack of money 
In the end, it remains: to take all 4 belts and defeat the invincible Usyk and go down in history in the way he dreamed against losing his belts and destroying the entire career that he had built all his life. This bet looks like an all-in bet. I don't like all-ins 

[Casdinyard]

Honestly, if this deal falls through, and Fury ends up fighting another Chisora I think he'd lose me as a fan, which is mad to say because I honestly think he's the best of this generation. I just can't be arsed for his antics. Sometimes they can be funny, and entertaining like the batman suit. However, the squabbling over contracts constantly, and not giving the fans what they want is annoying. Especially, when he's probably got two big fights left realistically. Just get it done, beat Usyk, then beat Joshua, and he could become the undisputed greatest of his generation. At the moment, there's question marks over it, even though I think he wipes the floor with both of these men personally.

At this stage of his career, I thought he'd be more interested in cementing that image in people's head, rather than money. The Fury family have plenty of money, and I always thought once you get to a certain amount of money which the Fury family certainly have hit, there's no real point going for excessive amounts, just live your life at that point.

Exactly. I get that they have to prolong and stall his biggest fights to make more money and better prepare him but at this point everything is so redundant that it's almost annoying, although for me really I feel like they are painting Chisora to be his Antithesis and thus they get promos more often. And even though I don't really care for his antics, I get why they need to do all of that. As for this fight, I have my bets placed on Fury, mostly because I don't really know who Usyk is lmao, but also because I know how powerful and hungry Fury is. Just wish they don't do him dirty this time.

[Baofeng]

Maybe because just doing it is not so easy? It is obvious to me that Fury understands that defeating Usyk will not be easy, and in case of defeat, the whole image of the "great champion Fury" will be completely destroyed. The stakes are incredibly high, aren't they? And judging objectively, a victory over Usyk will give Fury less than a defeat from Usyk will take away from him, that is, it is mathematically beneficial for Fury that this fight does not take place at all. Plus, do not forget that Usyk is two years older than Fury, which means that time works for Fury. Everything is simple.

I don't think it will be easy for him but I don't think Tyson is that worried about it either. The risk is worth the reward regardless. It will likely be a career high payday and the first chance to unify all the belts in nearly 20 years. He also gets the kudos of beating another unbeaten person. There's more to gain than to lose in my opinion.

I don't think we should take into account the issue of money here at all, with his popularity and the hype around his persona, Fury will be able to earn (if he needs it) even in exhibition fights. And in general, he no longer suffers from a lack of money 
In the end, it remains: to take all 4 belts and defeat the invincible Usyk and go down in history in the way he dreamed against losing his belts and destroying the entire career that he had built all his life. This bet looks like an all-in bet. I don't like all-ins 

Well why not get a huge payday and then fight for all the belts? So for sure there is this element of money, everyone is after there paycheck, millions to be set for life for him and his family. Even the loser Anthony Joshua will fight because as he has said the motivation is money:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agdkYNLXbhg

Yes, being unified HW champion is one for the history books for Fury, but if there is one big reason to push for this fight, it could be bigger money in the line.

[KTChampions]

I don't think we should take into account the issue of money here at all, with his popularity and the hype around his persona, Fury will be able to earn (if he needs it) even in exhibition fights. And in general, he no longer suffers from a lack of money 
In the end, it remains: to take all 4 belts and defeat the invincible Usyk and go down in history in the way he dreamed against losing his belts and destroying the entire career that he had built all his life. This bet looks like an all-in bet. I don't like all-ins 

Well why not get a huge payday and then fight for all the belts? So for sure there is this element of money, everyone is after there paycheck, millions to be set for life for him and his family. Even the loser Anthony Joshua will fight because as he has said the motivation is money:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agdkYNLXbhg

Yes, being unified HW champion is one for the history books for Fury, but if there is one big reason to push for this fight, it could be bigger money in the line.

We can argue indefinitely since we can't get inside Fury's head and see what he's thinking. But for me the version that he is overly greedy looks more unlikely compared to the version that he is cunning. Especially if you remember how he ran away from revenge with Klitschko. For me, these are all links in the same chain, and by the way, I'm not saying that only Fury behaves like this - this is the norm for boxing, no matter how sad it may be.

[hilariousetc]

Maybe because just doing it is not so easy? It is obvious to me that Fury understands that defeating Usyk will not be easy, and in case of defeat, the whole image of the "great champion Fury" will be completely destroyed. The stakes are incredibly high, aren't they? And judging objectively, a victory over Usyk will give Fury less than a defeat from Usyk will take away from him, that is, it is mathematically beneficial for Fury that this fight does not take place at all. Plus, do not forget that Usyk is two years older than Fury, which means that time works for Fury. Everything is simple.

I don't think it will be easy for him but I don't think Tyson is that worried about it either. The risk is worth the reward regardless. It will likely be a career high payday and the first chance to unify all the belts in nearly 20 years. He also gets the kudos of beating another unbeaten person. There's more to gain than to lose in my opinion.

I don't think we should take into account the issue of money here at all, with his popularity and the hype around his persona, Fury will be able to earn (if he needs it) even in exhibition fights. And in general, he no longer suffers from a lack of money 
In the end, it remains: to take all 4 belts and defeat the invincible Usyk and go down in history in the way he dreamed against losing his belts and destroying the entire career that he had built all his life. This bet looks like an all-in bet. I don't like all-ins 

Sure, Fury could also earn a lot of money just fighting a random bum off the street, but he's not going to get as much as the Usyk unification. Tyson is just being greedy now and this is what causes so many fights to fall through. He's already been offered what is likely a career high payday from the middle east but apparently he wants the same as what AJ got for the Usyk fight which is 75 million apparently. Now they're talking about having it in the UK at Wembley but Usyk might not agree to that as he wants a 50/50 split and he isn't going to be getting that and likely probably not even half of what the middle east offered him. If it's at Wembley it will pretty much be the Tyson Fury show and he will be making all the demands. He'll probably just end up fighting some bum now given they've got a date at Wembley pencilled in and I really can't see Usyk being happy with that especially as Fury is making out that it shouldn't be a 50/50 split because he's a bigger draw in the UK.

https://www.boxingscene.com/usyk-promoter-responds-furys-demands-this-sports-go-hollywood-if-you-want-kind-money--172493
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-fight-29210727

[Welsh]

Sometimes, I feel like I care more about Fury keeping his zero, and fighting the remaining challenges than he does himself. Which, is quite frustrating. I don't want to see him fight another mediocre fighter. I want to see him against the only two logical fighters, beat them, and then retire.

I always find it bizarre when people with unimaginable wealth just don't retire and sail off into the sunset. That goes for everyone across the board but it's especially bad with boxers. The big ones make enough money to retire off one fight. Like how much money do you need? Fury probably has enough money to buy an island and build a mega mansion on it but he's haggling for even more out of what is already likely to be his highest pay day of his career.

Yeah, it also baffles me. The only excuse would be creating a legacy other than that, I'd make my money, and probably dip out if it was actively harming my health. Although, I suppose they do love the sport, and when you're passionate about something you'll go to great lengths. If you're passionate about boxing, which a lot of them are they find it hard to let go. I understand that. I'm not that much in love with a sport to have that commitment, but I am when it comes down to certain things. So, I sort of understand it.

What is baffling to me is Fury doesn't really seem that materialist or flashy. I mean, sure he's got a couple Gucci shirts and man-bags, but his house is pretty modest given the insane amount of money he makes. Unless he's planning to build a mansion on an island or retire his great great grandkids why do they need all this money? Sure, take what you can get but not at the expense of stalling a fight to squeeze as much juice out of it as you can. Usyk has agreed a fee and signed on the dotted line so Tyson should just take whatever they offered him which is probably already a lot more than what Usyk is getting. If this fight falls through I hope all Fury's fans turn on him because this stuff is getting ridiculous.

Fury is a oddball, and I mean to say that with respect. He's sort of flashy from time to time, like the typical travelers he's got a nice caravan, and all that. However, he lives in a somewhat normal house, and does normal things. He still lives in his hometown I believe, and actively trains there too. So, he's definitely humble, and less flashy than someone like Floyd for example.

[Baofeng]

I don't think we should take into account the issue of money here at all, with his popularity and the hype around his persona, Fury will be able to earn (if he needs it) even in exhibition fights. And in general, he no longer suffers from a lack of money 
In the end, it remains: to take all 4 belts and defeat the invincible Usyk and go down in history in the way he dreamed against losing his belts and destroying the entire career that he had built all his life. This bet looks like an all-in bet. I don't like all-ins 

Well why not get a huge payday and then fight for all the belts? So for sure there is this element of money, everyone is after there paycheck, millions to be set for life for him and his family. Even the loser Anthony Joshua will fight because as he has said the motivation is money:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agdkYNLXbhg

Yes, being unified HW champion is one for the history books for Fury, but if there is one big reason to push for this fight, it could be bigger money in the line.

We can argue indefinitely since we can't get inside Fury's head and see what he's thinking. But for me the version that he is overly greedy looks more unlikely compared to the version that he is cunning. Especially if you remember how he ran away from revenge with Klitschko. For me, these are all links in the same chain, and by the way, I'm not saying that only Fury behaves like this - this is the norm for boxing, no matter how sad it may be.

I guess when boxers started to make a name for themselves, then started to feel somewhat greedy and obviously wanted to get more on every fight. So he is more greedy in his career, he has received tons of millions of dollars and wanted to keep it that way. I can only speculate that the fight with Klitschko rematch didn't materialized because this is the start wherein Fury was somewhat very unstable mentally. Again, maybe having a lot of money makes him go spiral downward and just snap in time to bounce back and have a second win in his career and now back on top. And this is the second time he experience it and probably will not want to waste this and so just fighting for his biggest paycheck every time.

[AverageGlabella]

I guess when boxers started to make a name for themselves, then started to feel somewhat greedy and obviously wanted to get more on every fight. So he is more greedy in his career, he has received tons of millions of dollars and wanted to keep it that way. I can only speculate that the fight with Klitschko rematch didn't materialized because this is the start wherein Fury was somewhat very unstable mentally. Again, maybe having a lot of money makes him go spiral downward and just snap in time to bounce back and have a second win in his career and now back on top. And this is the second time he experience it and probably will not want to waste this and so just fighting for his biggest paycheck every time.

If you had the talent like Fury I think you would try to make the most of having a skill that pays a lot of money with. Fury might not have any other skills and he only knows boxing. Boxing skills decline with age and you lose your ability to move around like you used to. He might have that in his mind because he has a lot of kids and a wife to look after. I do not know his net worth because I have never looked at it but I doubt he has made enough money to secure his family beyond his children. If he can get a big fight like Usyk he can maybe add to the security of his children and when they have children. I must say when you are a parent you think differently and you want to do the best for your children. I understand if that is the motivation for Fury because I do not think it is money alone.

[Silberman]

I guess when boxers started to make a name for themselves, then started to feel somewhat greedy and obviously wanted to get more on every fight. So he is more greedy in his career, he has received tons of millions of dollars and wanted to keep it that way. I can only speculate that the fight with Klitschko rematch didn't materialized because this is the start wherein Fury was somewhat very unstable mentally. Again, maybe having a lot of money makes him go spiral downward and just snap in time to bounce back and have a second win in his career and now back on top. And this is the second time he experience it and probably will not want to waste this and so just fighting for his biggest paycheck every time.

If you had the talent like Fury I think you would try to make the most of having a skill that pays a lot of money with. Fury might not have any other skills and he only knows boxing. Boxing skills decline with age and you lose your ability to move around like you used to. He might have that in his mind because he has a lot of kids and a wife to look after. I do not know his net worth because I have never looked at it but I doubt he has made enough money to secure his family beyond his children. If he can get a big fight like Usyk he can maybe add to the security of his children and when they have children. I must say when you are a parent you think differently and you want to do the best for your children. I understand if that is the motivation for Fury because I do not think it is money alone.

There are different readings we could give to what is happening, the most simple one is that this is about the money, and it could be true, maybe Fury is just being greedy and he wants as much money as possible, another possibility is they are trying to hype the fight even more by making it seem as if the fight is at risk of not happening, but this is not needed for us as we would watch the fight no matter what, however it is also possible Fury considers the negotiations as part of the fight already and he is doing all of this in order to push Usyk psychologically and to try to get into his head, but whatever the case I hope the fight happens as it is the logical fight for both of them.

[hilariousetc]

Sometimes, I feel like I care more about Fury keeping his zero, and fighting the remaining challenges than he does himself. Which, is quite frustrating. I don't want to see him fight another mediocre fighter. I want to see him against the only two logical fighters, beat them, and then retire.

Nobody wants to see that. Nobody wanted to see the Chisora fight either but it's sad when fighters get greedy and just take the easier option and that's probably what will happen here if the Usyk fight falls through. It might be now or never for this fight though as well as they can't keep holding up the divisions. Fury will have to fight the winner of Wilder/Ruiz and Usyk has three mandatories lined up including Daniel Dubois and I think Joe Joyce. I don't think fights like AJ or Usyk would be too much to worry Fury either so just make them happen. Sure, they won't be easy and anything can happen but they're worth putting that zero on the line. I think I'd like to see those two along with Joe Joyce and Ngannou.

Yeah, it also baffles me. The only excuse would be creating a legacy other than that, I'd make my money, and probably dip out if it was actively harming my health. Although, I suppose they do love the sport, and when you're passionate about something you'll go to great lengths. If you're passionate about boxing, which a lot of them are they find it hard to let go. I understand that. I'm not that much in love with a sport to have that commitment, but I am when it comes down to certain things. So, I sort of understand it.

If it was about legacy then the fights would just happen regardless of money. You can't even argue it's about money either as the huge sums are there, just not huge enough for Fury. Also, as Fury has said many times he will fight people for free, but we all know that's bullshit. If it was true then I'd love to see a fight where they give all the money away to charity or something.

Fury is a oddball, and I mean to say that with respect. He's sort of flashy from time to time, like the typical travelers he's got a nice caravan, and all that. However, he lives in a somewhat normal house, and does normal things. He still lives in his hometown I believe, and actively trains there too. So, he's definitely humble, and less flashy than someone like Floyd for example.

Tyson seems to be a lot of contradictions. It's normal for 90%+ of people to buy flashy things when they've got wealth. Personally, I wouldn't buy shit like Gucci even if I was a billionaire, but I would like a nice house.  Seems he's planning to build a £4 million mega mansion: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21362673/tyson-fury-mansion-bats/

Which looks to be more of the sort of house I would expect someone with his wealth to live in. Nothing wrong with that, but drop all this I don't care about money or I'll fight them for free nonsense.

[TopTort777]

Fury is a oddball, and I mean to say that with respect. He's sort of flashy from time to time, like the typical travelers he's got a nice caravan, and all that. However, he lives in a somewhat normal house, and does normal things. He still lives in his hometown I believe, and actively trains there too. So, he's definitely humble, and less flashy than someone like Floyd for example.

Tyson seems to be a lot of contradictions. It's normal for 90%+ of people to buy flashy things when they've got wealth. Personally, I wouldn't buy shit like Gucci even if I was a billionaire, but I would like a nice house.  Seems he's planning to build a £4 million mega mansion: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21362673/tyson-fury-mansion-bats/

Which looks to be more of the sort of house I would expect someone with his wealth to live in. Nothing wrong with that, but drop all this I don't care about money or I'll fight them for free nonsense.

According to YouTube, mega mansions cost more than 4 million GBP. https://www.youtube.com/@EnesYilmazer/videos check out yourself 10-15 millions seems like a starting point only. According to google, he had earned 15-25 millions per every fight in last years. 4 millions for mega mansion sounds modestly. From his media accounts it is hard to say he is living wasteful way of life. Nice and flashy suits, probably spends on alco a lot. But he is not covered with diamonds, expensive watches, yachts and luxury cars. As he does not spend a lot, have a lot of money, does not need money yet wants them. Indeed a strange person.

[hilariousetc]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-boxing-29264824

Apparently Tyson has been wanting double the 75 million that AJ got for the Usyk fight and Saudi weren't going to give him that. If this fight falls through I hope Tyson's fans turn on him because it's all his fault. Usyk has already agreed his deal and was happy with it but it now looks like it's going to have to be at Wembley but Fury isn't wanting to give 50/50 because he's arguing that he's a bigger draw so Usyk could walk away. True, he is a bigger draw in the UK but Usyk also have three belts to Fury's one, not to mention it takes two to tango and without an opponent Fury is nothing anyway unless he's going to shadowbox himself to an empty ring at Wembley. This fight should be 50/50 or Tyson should stop messing about and take the 75 million he likely got offered to do it in the middle east. Tyson will probably end up fighting some bum again since it looks like they've already got Wembley booked or at least 'pencilled in' as they say. My only hope if they've got Francis Ngannou lined up as a back up which would be a worthy replacement in my opinion.

[KTChampions]

In my opinion, if the fight is at Wembley, then it would be more logical if Usyk demanded a larger fee, since boxing in the opponent’s home ring is unpleasant and presumably gives an advantage to the opponent.
But in general, I'm not surprised, since events develop exactly in the same logic that I have already described. Fury is a cowardly cunning cunt who will run away from a dangerous opponent for as long as possible (while coming up with various pretexts).

[hilariousetc]

In my opinion, if the fight is at Wembley, then it would be more logical if Usyk demanded a larger fee, since boxing in the opponent’s home ring is unpleasant and presumably gives an advantage to the opponent.
But in general, I'm not surprised, since events develop exactly in the same logic that I have already described. Fury is a cowardly cunning cunt who will run away from a dangerous opponent for as long as possible (while coming up with various pretexts).

I've never heard that reasoning before. It's true that there might be a small home advantage only psychologically, but it would never result in more pay for the foreign opponent. Everybody knows this fight should be 50/50 but Tyson is being greedy as usual. If he wants a bigger purse superior to Usyk's he should have stuck with the Saudi offer which was likely much more than what Usyk is getting since they negotiate separately with those guys. With that being said, you could also probably argue that Usyk deserves more since he's go more belts but 50/50 would just be the logical way to go. Like I said before, whilst Fury will obviously be the bigger draw in actually bringing fans into the stadium it takes two to tango and the big draw for this fight is that he's fighting another unbeaten fighter with a chance to unify all the belts. Without Usyk he might as well just fight Chisora again if he wants the lions share of the money but fighting bums is never going to bring in the sort of money this fight would.

[AverageGlabella]

Apparently Tyson has been wanting double the 75 million that AJ got for the Usyk fight and Saudi weren't going to give him that. If this fight falls through I hope Tyson's fans turn on him because it's all his fault. Usyk has already agreed his deal and was happy with it but it now looks like it's going to have to be at Wembley but Fury isn't wanting to give 50/50 because he's arguing that he's a bigger draw so Usyk could walk away.

Tyson Fury fans are some of the most loyal and defend every action Tyson Fury makes. I know he is a great boxer but I cannot wait until he retires because he is holding up the title and will not fight the people that are the challengers. I think they should make a mandatory fight for Usyk and Fury so that Fury cannot demand crazy amounts of money to fight. He needs to defend his belt and the only person that is a contender atm is Usyk. Another undefeated fighter who wants to fight him. If they do not make this fight because Fury is demanding more money then what? Who is he going to fight that is a worthy contender he has beat every one else. Then he goes and fights some old age boxer and holds up the title again and then in a years time we will hear that Fury and Usyk are talking about a fight again only for Fury to demand crazy money for the fight.

[hilariousetc]

Apparently Tyson has been wanting double the 75 million that AJ got for the Usyk fight and Saudi weren't going to give him that. If this fight falls through I hope Tyson's fans turn on him because it's all his fault. Usyk has already agreed his deal and was happy with it but it now looks like it's going to have to be at Wembley but Fury isn't wanting to give 50/50 because he's arguing that he's a bigger draw so Usyk could walk away.

Tyson Fury fans are some of the most loyal and defend every action Tyson Fury makes. I know he is a great boxer but I cannot wait until he retires because he is holding up the title and will not fight the people that are the challengers. I think they should make a mandatory fight for Usyk and Fury so that Fury cannot demand crazy amounts of money to fight. He needs to defend his belt and the only person that is a contender atm is Usyk. Another undefeated fighter who wants to fight him. If they do not make this fight because Fury is demanding more money then what? Who is he going to fight that is a worthy contender he has beat every one else. Then he goes and fights some old age boxer and holds up the title again and then in a years time we will hear that Fury and Usyk are talking about a fight again only for Fury to demand crazy money for the fight.

Tyson does have a lot of boot and arse-lickers but I think a lot of fans are also starting to get tired with his demands and taking the lesser fights whilst holding bets up. There's only so much obvious BS even fanboys can handle before they have to admit that it's Fury that is the problem here. Mandatories will be issued if this fight doesn't get done. I believe Usyk already has three lined up - Filip Hrgovic, Joe Joyce and Daniel DuBois. If Usyk doesn't fight Fury then he will probably fight one of those available. Joe Joyce is fighting Zhang Zhilei soon so it'll probably be either Daniel Dubois or Hrgovic. If this fight doesn't actually happen I hope there's an uproar. If the fans don't complain then Fury and other boxers will just continue to do it. If fans still buy the PPVs for these public sparring matches then they'll keep on taking the lesser opponents rather than the challenges. If fans vote with their money then fighters will be reluctant to take the easy route.

[KTChampions]

In my opinion, if the fight is at Wembley, then it would be more logical if Usyk demanded a larger fee, since boxing in the opponent’s home ring is unpleasant and presumably gives an advantage to the opponent.
But in general, I'm not surprised, since events develop exactly in the same logic that I have already described. Fury is a cowardly cunning cunt who will run away from a dangerous opponent for as long as possible (while coming up with various pretexts).

I've never heard that reasoning before. It's true that there might be a small home advantage only psychologically, but it would never result in more pay for the foreign opponent. Everybody knows this fight should be 50/50 but Tyson is being greedy as usual. If he wants a bigger purse superior to Usyk's he should have stuck with the Saudi offer which was likely much more than what Usyk is getting since they negotiate separately with those guys. With that being said, you could also probably argue that Usyk deserves more since he's go more belts but 50/50 would just be the logical way to go. Like I said before, whilst Fury will obviously be the bigger draw in actually bringing fans into the stadium it takes two to tango and the big draw for this fight is that he's fighting another unbeaten fighter with a chance to unify all the belts. Without Usyk he might as well just fight Chisora again if he wants the lions share of the money but fighting bums is never going to bring in the sort of money this fight would.

These are just my thoughts, nothing more, I do not claim that it should be so exactly, but it seems logical to me. In addition, if you look at the history of boxing, then long ago a home fight gave a more significant advantage due to the bias of judges, the public, etc. that's probably why I myself am biased about the fight at Wembley.

By the way, no news? Or has Fury already chosen some bum for himself? 

[Fundamentals Of]

In my opinion, if the fight is at Wembley, then it would be more logical if Usyk demanded a larger fee, since boxing in the opponent’s home ring is unpleasant and presumably gives an advantage to the opponent.
But in general, I'm not surprised, since events develop exactly in the same logic that I have already described. Fury is a cowardly cunning cunt who will run away from a dangerous opponent for as long as possible (while coming up with various pretexts).

I've never heard that reasoning before. It's true that there might be a small home advantage only psychologically, but it would never result in more pay for the foreign opponent. Everybody knows this fight should be 50/50 but Tyson is being greedy as usual. If he wants a bigger purse superior to Usyk's he should have stuck with the Saudi offer which was likely much more than what Usyk is getting since they negotiate separately with those guys. With that being said, you could also probably argue that Usyk deserves more since he's go more belts but 50/50 would just be the logical way to go. Like I said before, whilst Fury will obviously be the bigger draw in actually bringing fans into the stadium it takes two to tango and the big draw for this fight is that he's fighting another unbeaten fighter with a chance to unify all the belts. Without Usyk he might as well just fight Chisora again if he wants the lions share of the money but fighting bums is never going to bring in the sort of money this fight would.

These are just my thoughts, nothing more, I do not claim that it should be so exactly, but it seems logical to me. In addition, if you look at the history of boxing, then long ago a home fight gave a more significant advantage due to the bias of judges, the public, etc. that's probably why I myself am biased about the fight at Wembley.

By the way, no news? Or has Fury already chosen some bum for himself? 

I don't want to think that Fury is avoiding Usyk. If he didn't avoid the Bronze Bomber way back when he was undefeated and felled almost every single opponent cold, I don't find any reason why he should be avoiding Usyk. Or is he now losing his being a fighter and chooses to protect his untarnished record more? I hope the two will face each other and give the fans the fight they wish for.

Anyway, I agree that home advantage is a considerable advantage. It can't be underestimated, although it could also be a double-edged sword.

[hilariousetc]

These are just my thoughts, nothing more, I do not claim that it should be so exactly, but it seems logical to me. In addition, if you look at the history of boxing, then long ago a home fight gave a more significant advantage due to the bias of judges, the public, etc. that's probably why I myself am biased about the fight at Wembley.

By the way, no news? Or has Fury already chosen some bum for himself? 

There won't be any news until the fight either gets signed or Usyk walks away because Fury will probably be desperately trying to either persuade Usyk to take a pay cut to do it at Wembley or persuade Saudi to cough up more money for the fight if he hasn't already burned his bridges with them. Usyk probably already isn't happy with having to walk away from the huge sum from Saudi to Tyson's offer of 60/40 for Wembley so he'd be quite right to put his foot down especially because it's Tyson fault the fight can't happen in Saudi.

I don't want to think that Fury is avoiding Usyk. If he didn't avoid the Bronze Bomber way back when he was undefeated and felled almost every single opponent cold, I don't find any reason why he should be avoiding Usyk. Or is he now losing his being a fighter and chooses to protect his untarnished record more? I hope the two will face each other and give the fans the fight they wish for.

Anyway, I agree that home advantage is a considerable advantage. It can't be underestimated, although it could also be a double-edged sword.

I don't think Fury is avoiding him, he's just being very greedy and is wanting everything on his own terms which Usyk isn't going to be happy with and that's the only reason this fight falls through. Like you said, I don't think Usyk would be more of a threat than Wilder, though is probably a better fighter defensively, but there's little worry of Uysk getting a KO so the only way he wins is on points most likely. 

[KTChampions]

These are just my thoughts, nothing more, I do not claim that it should be so exactly, but it seems logical to me. In addition, if you look at the history of boxing, then long ago a home fight gave a more significant advantage due to the bias of judges, the public, etc. that's probably why I myself am biased about the fight at Wembley.

By the way, no news? Or has Fury already chosen some bum for himself? 

I don't want to think that Fury is avoiding Usyk. If he didn't avoid the Bronze Bomber way back when he was undefeated and felled almost every single opponent cold, I don't find any reason why he should be avoiding Usyk. Or is he now losing his being a fighter and chooses to protect his untarnished record more? I hope the two will face each other and give the fans the fight they wish for.

Anyway, I agree that home advantage is a considerable advantage. It can't be underestimated, although it could also be a double-edged sword.

You better remember how Fury shamefully avoided a rematch with Klitschko, and by the way, he later admitted that Klitschko would have dumped him on canvas:

I wasn’t about to get laid out on the canvas by Klitschko for money. That’s what would’ve happened.

https://www.givemesport.com/1419365-tyson-fury-reveals-struggles-prior-to-his-cancelled-rematch-with-wladimir-klitschko-in-2016/

But depression prevented him and no money interested him. And now he is only interested in money, and although "he can easily beat Usyk," he avoids the fight because there is not enough money 
Sounds true, right?

[Welsh]

You better remember how Fury shamefully avoided a rematch with Klitschko, and by the way, he later admitted that Klitschko would have dumped him on canvas:

I wasn’t about to get laid out on the canvas by Klitschko for money. That’s what would’ve happened.

https://www.givemesport.com/1419365-tyson-fury-reveals-struggles-prior-to-his-cancelled-rematch-with-wladimir-klitschko-in-2016/

But depression prevented him and no money interested him. And now he is only interested in money, and although "he can easily beat Usyk," he avoids the fight because there is not enough money  
Sounds true, right?

Did he shamefully avoid a rematch though? It's quite clear he was going off the rails at that point, and I wouldn't call that avoiding the fight. He was in serious trouble during that time, and it makes sense. Once you've achieved something you've aimed for your whole life, all that adrenaline, and motivation is gone. That's hard to get over, especially since he effectively reached the very heights of boxing.

I'm wondering whether all this stalling is because he's afraid of that happening again. If he did beat Usyk, realistically it's only Joshua left, and I think he makes easy work of that. He'd effectively would've beat everyone in his division. Part of his recovery was he looked beyond Klitschko, and there were options. If he beats Usyk, and Joshua there's ultimately no one else to prove himself against.

Also, I do believe that quotes a little out of context, he would've got laid out, and he believes that because he was in such a bad state. Nothing to do with him fighting again with a good state of mind, he was just off the rails already at that point.

[KTChampions]

You better remember how Fury shamefully avoided a rematch with Klitschko, and by the way, he later admitted that Klitschko would have dumped him on canvas:

I wasn’t about to get laid out on the canvas by Klitschko for money. That’s what would’ve happened.

https://www.givemesport.com/1419365-tyson-fury-reveals-struggles-prior-to-his-cancelled-rematch-with-wladimir-klitschko-in-2016/

But depression prevented him and no money interested him. And now he is only interested in money, and although "he can easily beat Usyk," he avoids the fight because there is not enough money  
Sounds true, right?

Did he shamefully avoid a rematch though? It's quite clear he was going off the rails at that point, and I wouldn't call that avoiding the fight. He was in serious trouble during that time, and it makes sense. Once you've achieved something you've aimed for your whole life, all that adrenaline, and motivation is gone. That's hard to get over, especially since he effectively reached the very heights of boxing.

I'm wondering whether all this stalling is because he's afraid of that happening again. If he did beat Usyk, realistically it's only Joshua left, and I think he makes easy work of that. He'd effectively would've beat everyone in his division. Part of his recovery was he looked beyond Klitschko, and there were options. If he beats Usyk, and Joshua there's ultimately no one else to prove himself against.

Also, I do believe that quotes a little out of context, he would've got laid out, and he believes that because he was in such a bad state. Nothing to do with him fighting again with a good state of mind, he was just off the rails already at that point.

In my opinion it was shameful, yes. And by the way, that whole story was 100% shit (unfortunately, boxing historically has such background). Do you remember that Fury was caught using nandrolone? And the whole situation with the mystical wild boar meat from which nandrolone got into Fury? He was not disqualified only because if this happened, Klitschko would have sued the federation for allowing a boxer with a positive doping test to fight him. And then there was cocaine (with a ridiculous period of suspension) and the refusal of doping control in 2016 for which Fury was not punished at all.
Please don't make me think about it again  the whole story of the "great" Fury is made of shit 

[Fundamentals Of]

These are just my thoughts, nothing more, I do not claim that it should be so exactly, but it seems logical to me. In addition, if you look at the history of boxing, then long ago a home fight gave a more significant advantage due to the bias of judges, the public, etc. that's probably why I myself am biased about the fight at Wembley.

By the way, no news? Or has Fury already chosen some bum for himself? 

I don't want to think that Fury is avoiding Usyk. If he didn't avoid the Bronze Bomber way back when he was undefeated and felled almost every single opponent cold, I don't find any reason why he should be avoiding Usyk. Or is he now losing his being a fighter and chooses to protect his untarnished record more? I hope the two will face each other and give the fans the fight they wish for.

Anyway, I agree that home advantage is a considerable advantage. It can't be underestimated, although it could also be a double-edged sword.

You better remember how Fury shamefully avoided a rematch with Klitschko, and by the way, he later admitted that Klitschko would have dumped him on canvas:

I wasn’t about to get laid out on the canvas by Klitschko for money. That’s what would’ve happened.

https://www.givemesport.com/1419365-tyson-fury-reveals-struggles-prior-to-his-cancelled-rematch-with-wladimir-klitschko-in-2016/

But depression prevented him and no money interested him. And now he is only interested in money, and although "he can easily beat Usyk," he avoids the fight because there is not enough money 
Sounds true, right?

Sounds true, yes, but I don't think what he had gone through all those years were made up simply because he wanted to avoid Klitschko. He faced Klitschko in the first place and won. So why would he be afraid, concocting stories only to excuse himself from facing somebody who he has already defeated unanimously? Those depression struggles, drug addiction, among other problems I cannot confirm whether true or not, but it was indeed true that when the rematch didn't happen, Fury wasn't just inactive for months or even a year. He was inactive for 3 years.

[Baofeng]

Well it was revealed by Alexander Krassyuk promoter of Usyk, that Fury and his camp turns down a 50/50 split, meaning Fury is asking for the bigger pie obviously. And then they said 60/40 for the winner of the fight?

But still Fury turn it down, so whoever we believed right not, still boils to numbers, and how much Fury is going to make in this fight. It's not like there is money in the table, and everyone agree to split in in the middle or the other camp got the bigger pie. Fury is looking for a specific numbers in this fight according to Krassyuk. And with this revelation, the negotiation has hit a wall.



https://twitter.com/IFLTV/status/1633425814657146884

[hilariousetc]

Well it was revealed by Alexander Krassyuk promoter of Usyk, that Fury and his camp turns down a 50/50 split, meaning Fury is asking for the bigger pie obviously. And then they said 60/40 for the winner of the fight?

But still Fury turn it down, so whoever we believed right not, still boils to numbers, and how much Fury is going to make in this fight. It's not like there is money in the table, and everyone agree to split in in the middle or the other camp got the bigger pie. Fury is looking for a specific numbers in this fight according to Krassyuk. And with this revelation, the negotiation has hit a wall.

People really need to hold Fury accountable for this ridiculously greedy behaviour. Usyk had already agreed a deal and a fight fee with with Saudi as had Fury but Fury wasn't going to sign unless he got double what AJ did for the Usyk fight. Because they wouldn't give him that then they would have to do the fight at Wembley on Fury's terms but he wanted 60/40 in his favour when Usyk wanted 50/50. Usyk have now offered to do 60/40 but to the winner and now Fury has turned this down as well. Fury can't be that confident if he won't agree to that. Fury should have just taken the original Saudi deal rather than trying to be greedy and now everyone is probably going to lose out and Fury will be fighting a bum next most likely. Either take the 50/50 or do the 60% to the winner. Both of those will net Fury more than him fighting somebody nobody wants to see. The Fury V Usyk fight will likely never happen if it doesn't get signed soon because Usyk has three mandatories lined up now and then Fury will have his too but maybe Fury secretly wants that because he knows Usyk will be tricky.

[inthelongrun]

It looks like Tyson Fury took not just the WBC from Wilder but the being a duck champion as well. I remember when duck Wilder became the WBC champ and all the remaining belts were already held by Wlad and were denied a chance to become the first ever undisputed in the 4-belt era. Now Fury also has the chance to deny Usyk not just the undisputed heavyweight championship but also the chance to become the first undisputed in 2 divisions.

It's possible that Fury wants Usyk to become inactive for about a year. Fury can drag this out until April or May and when the sanctioning belts or Usyk will try to book for another opponent, Fury will accept the deal and schedule this fight around July or August.

[btc_angela]

It looks like Tyson Fury took not just the WBC from Wilder but the being a duck champion as well. I remember when duck Wilder became the WBC champ and all the remaining belts were already held by Wlad and were denied a chance to become the first ever undisputed in the 4-belt era. Now Fury also has the chance to deny Usyk not just the undisputed heavyweight championship but also the chance to become the first undisputed in 2 divisions.

It's possible that Fury wants Usyk to become inactive for about a year. Fury can drag this out until April or May and when the sanctioning belts or Usyk will try to book for another opponent, Fury will accept the deal and schedule this fight around July or August.

Maybe he is not that confident to really beat a supposedly CW? 50/50 or even 60/40 seems to be fair offer by Usyk and his team, but maybe he doubt himself and just to make sure even if he loses, he will get the most money out of that fight. That scenario is possible, Fury opting for another tune up, easy money, instead of Usyk, so it's the risk reward ratio for him. Usyk though seems to be still training and there are tweets saying that one strategy for him is to get bigger, or at least gain some weight for the Fury fight.

[Welsh]

People really need to hold Fury accountable for this ridiculously greedy behaviour. Usyk had already agreed a deal and a fight fee with with Saudi as had Fury but Fury wasn't going to sign unless he got double what AJ did for the Usyk fight. Because they wouldn't give him that then they would have to do the fight at Wembley on Fury's terms but he wanted 60/40 in his favour when Usyk wanted 50/50. Usyk have now offered to do 60/40 but to the winner and now Fury has turned this down as well. Fury can't be that confident if he won't agree to that. Fury should have just taken the original Saudi deal rather than trying to be greedy and now everyone is probably going to lose out and Fury will be fighting a bum next most likely. Either take the 50/50 or do the 60% to the winner. Both of those will net Fury more than him fighting somebody nobody wants to see. The Fury V Usyk fight will likely never happen if it doesn't get signed soon because Usyk has three mandatories lined up now and then Fury will have his too but maybe Fury secretly wants that because he knows Usyk will be tricky.

I'm a massive fan of Tyson, I've got his books, watched his documentaries, and I watch every single fight of his. The issue I have is, he always portrays that he doesn't care about his legacy or money, when that's obviously a blatant lie. I wish he was just a little more honest at times, and I don't doubt that the Joshua vs Fury fight was cancelled due to Fury, since from that point on there's been multiple accusations thrown by a couple of different people that he's the one that holds the fights up.

I used to think it was the promoters trying to milk the cow a little, and not wanting the riskier fights. However, I think my view of that has changed, at least when involving Fury. I don't know if it's confidence with Fury though, I think he's rather confident going into the fight against Usyk, I just think he's trying to get as much money as possible knowing he won't be doing this forever.

Although, he already has a ton of money that I could happily retire on tomorrow. I just wished, he'd do the fans a service take a 60/40, and deliver what the fans want to watch. I love him as a boxer, I love the banter he brings, but I certainly don't like his business practices.

[hilariousetc]

Now Tyson is offering Usyk 30% https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aqcvR7e-xGw

I'm a massive fan of Tyson, I've got his books, watched his documentaries, and I watch every single fight of his. The issue I have is, he always portrays that he doesn't care about his legacy or money, when that's obviously a blatant lie. I wish he was just a little more honest at times, and I don't doubt that the Joshua vs Fury fight was cancelled due to Fury, since from that point on there's been multiple accusations thrown by a couple of different people that he's the one that holds the fights up.

I used to think it was the promoters trying to milk the cow a little, and not wanting the riskier fights. However, I think my view of that has changed, at least when involving Fury. I don't know if it's confidence with Fury though, I think he's rather confident going into the fight against Usyk, I just think he's trying to get as much money as possible knowing he won't be doing this forever.

Although, he already has a ton of money that I could happily retire on tomorrow. I just wished, he'd do the fans a service take a 60/40, and deliver what the fans want to watch. I love him as a boxer, I love the banter he brings, but I certainly don't like his business practices.

It's usually always the boxers. Promoters just want the most money and if fights don't get made they get nothing. This Usyk fight is probably the biggest money-spinner for Fury right now and will earn ten times as much as fighting someone like Chisora or Whyte again. Fury's ego is obviously getting involved as well though. I think he got offered what AJ did for the Usyk fight but Fury thinks he's worth much more than that and wanted double because he thinks he's worth double AJ. Now he's going to end up with a pittance in comparison if he just fights some randomer. He should have just taken the Saudi money which would already have been the most he was going to get. HE says he doesn't care about money or legacy but he clearly does. And there's nothing wrong with that but don't chat shit about how you don't care about these things.

[KTChampions]

Friends, how long can you talk about money and not notice the elephant in the room? 
50/50, 60/40 (even if Fury loses and gets 40) it's always many times more than Fury will get for a few fights with bums. The bottom line is that Fury is a coward and runs from Usyk just like he ran from Klitschko, although now Fury is no longer young himself, so this is a dangerous tactic and can work against him.
As a whole, I don’t care if the fight takes place and who wins in it - Fury has already disgraced himself. Serial coward, one of the most pathetic champions.

[hilariousetc]

So apparently Usyk has agreed to fight under this deal 70/30 deal and signed on the deadline day: https://twitter.com/usykaa/status/1634284129620578304
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/64924925

Whilst I'm glad Usyk was the better man and took the lowball deal rather than letting the fight fall through which Fury would have been happy to have happen I don't think it's fair on Usyk and I think this is just going to encourage more of the same behaviour from Fury. To be honest, I hope Usyk wins now. Hopefully Fury gets booed during the ring walk at least. I see a lot of his fans turning against him over his recent shenanigans. No doubt the PPV will be a record high of near £50 or something.

[KTChampions]

Well, after Fury's financial conditions were satisfied, and now he comes up with new excuses (the option of a rematch, which was originally included in the contract by Fury's team), does anyone else doubt that he is a cowardly piece of shit?
Guys, seriously, give me another version of why Fury is trying to avoid a fight 
Usyk's team and Usyk himself are already openly mocking Fury's cowardice.

[Baofeng]

So apparently Usyk has agreed to fight under this deal 70/30 deal and signed on the deadline day: https://twitter.com/usykaa/status/1634284129620578304
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/64924925

Whilst I'm glad Usyk was the better man and took the lowball deal rather than letting the fight fall through which Fury would have been happy to have happen I don't think it's fair on Usyk and I think this is just going to encourage more of the same behaviour from Fury. To be honest, I hope Usyk wins now. Hopefully Fury gets booed during the ring walk at least. I see a lot of his fans turning against him over his recent shenanigans. No doubt the PPV will be a record high of near £50 or something.

And if there's no deal made, then WBA will have to ordered Usyk to fight Dubois, there are even news that the rematch clause has been disputed by Fury's camp. Could be true that this is clearly a duck on Tyson's part. And I wouldn't be surprised if this fight is not going to happen.

It will be finger pointing after this, and guess what, he will proceed to fight another B-level fighter and continue to dodge Usyk, hehehe.

Yeah, most likely some fans of his can't justify his behavior right now.

[JollyGood]

Whether it was Jordan or Usyk, he made comments in true Tyson Fury fashion, he said: "I can’t wait, I’m in the best shape of my life, I’m fucking ready to rock and troll, I wish it was this weekend. Usyk you gappy-teeth, ugly, bug-eyed, rabbit, cat, ugly piece of s***, you are getting knocked the f*** out"

Whether it is 70/30 with or without the £1 million donation or any other split, most fans are tired of the delay and simply want to see the unification fight to take place.

[yazher]

Whether it is 70/30 with or without the £1 million donation or any other split, most fans are tired of the delay and simply want to see the unification fight to take place.

Again is all about how to split the money and this is the reason why most fights such as this one never really happen till now. They really need to make this fight as soon as possible and if they really want it to happen, it will gonna happen considering the fight that will gonna take place this May between Garcia and Davis. We see that they are the only ones who are not serious about it for whatever reasons they have, people are tired to hear it and if they wanted not to fight, they could have just been silent about it not to make any hype for a fight that will never gonna happen anyway.

[JollyGood]

That is life when it comes to business and business dealings, it is all about money. Sure there is prestige at stake as well as a history-in-the-making event such as a unification fight but if the correct money is not on the table or if the split is not acceptable the fight will not go ahead.

Until they actually get it on in the ring, I suppose we will have to keep on reading those funny comments from Fury to keep us busy 

Again is all about how to split the money and this is the reason why most fights such as this one never really happen till now. They really need to make this fight as soon as possible and if they really want it to happen, it will gonna happen considering the fight that will gonna take place this May between Garcia and Davis. We see that they are the only ones who are not serious about it for whatever reasons they have, people are tired to hear it and if they wanted not to fight, they could have just been silent about it not to make any hype for a fight that will never gonna happen anyway.

[hilariousetc]

Well, after Fury's financial conditions were satisfied, and now he comes up with new excuses (the option of a rematch, which was originally included in the contract by Fury's team), does anyone else doubt that he is a cowardly piece of shit?
Guys, seriously, give me another version of why Fury is trying to avoid a fight  
Usyk's team and Usyk himself are already openly mocking Fury's cowardice.

The funny thing is is that it was Tyson who requested the rematch clause and it could come back to bite him. If Tyson loses, especially on points, he will be begging for a rematch. Hopefully Usyk agrees but only if it's 80 / 20 in his favour or something  . Personally I hope there's no rematch clause as we could end up seeing another trilogy holding the entire division up. If it's a good fight and both parties want a rematch then let them do it I guess but having it contractually obligated the loser is obviously going to want another chance to win their belts back but I'd prefer it if the winner just goes on to fight their other mandatories instead.

[KTChampions]

Well, after Fury's financial conditions were satisfied, and now he comes up with new excuses (the option of a rematch, which was originally included in the contract by Fury's team), does anyone else doubt that he is a cowardly piece of shit?
Guys, seriously, give me another version of why Fury is trying to avoid a fight  
Usyk's team and Usyk himself are already openly mocking Fury's cowardice.

The funny thing is is that it was Tyson who requested the rematch clause and it could come back to bite him. If Tyson loses, especially on points, he will be begging for a rematch. Hopefully Usyk agrees but only if it's 80 / 20 in his favour or something  . Personally I hope there's no rematch clause as we could end up seeing another trilogy holding the entire division up. If it's a good fight and both parties want a rematch then let them do it I guess but having it contractually obligated the loser is obviously going to want another chance to win their belts back but I'd prefer it if the winner just goes on to fight their other mandatories instead.

It's not funny, it's pathetic. Only the blind can't see Fury coming up with all sorts of excuses to avoid a fight. To be honest, I have already “let go” of this situation and I don’t care whether the fight will take place or not, as I already wrote, but the fact that some Fury fans pretend that “everything is fine and Fury didn’t put shit in his own pants” is a little surprising.

And yes, in an ideal world, I would like Usyk to win and offer Fury 5% or some fixed amount for a rematch with the words "bags are not worth more", but unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world. Sometimes third-rate athletes get world PR and recognition, even in football where you can’t shy away from opponents.

[inthelongrun]

Well, after Fury's financial conditions were satisfied, and now he comes up with new excuses (the option of a rematch, which was originally included in the contract by Fury's team), does anyone else doubt that he is a cowardly piece of shit?
Guys, seriously, give me another version of why Fury is trying to avoid a fight  
Usyk's team and Usyk himself are already openly mocking Fury's cowardice.

The funny thing is is that it was Tyson who requested the rematch clause and it could come back to bite him. If Tyson loses, especially on points, he will be begging for a rematch. Hopefully Usyk agrees but only if it's 80 / 20 in his favour or something  . Personally I hope there's no rematch clause as we could end up seeing another trilogy holding the entire division up. If it's a good fight and both parties want a rematch then let them do it I guess but having it contractually obligated the loser is obviously going to want another chance to win their belts back but I'd prefer it if the winner just goes on to fight their other mandatories instead.

It's not funny, it's pathetic. Only the blind can't see Fury coming up with all sorts of excuses to avoid a fight. To be honest, I have already “let go” of this situation and I don’t care whether the fight will take place or not, as I already wrote, but the fact that some Fury fans pretend that “everything is fine and Fury didn’t put shit in his own pants” is a little surprising.

And yes, in an ideal world, I would like Usyk to win and offer Fury 5% or some fixed amount for a rematch with the words "bags are not worth more", but unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world. Sometimes third-rate athletes get world PR and recognition, even in football where you can’t shy away from opponents.

Boxing is full of casuals who can't even name some of its world champions. So it is not surprising to see a lot of them continue to praise and defend Tyson Fury and his antics.

And with regards to the possibility of Fury submitting another contract with a rematch clause should he lose the fight, the conditions of the split in the rematch will be written there too. So it's not like Usyk can also demand an 80% split if he gives Fury a rematch. So Fury can say 70% in this fight and maybe 65% in the rematch, Usyk can take it or not fight at all. I missed how boxing in the past where the best fights the best without any complications and heavy demands on each sides.

[hilariousandco]

It's not funny, it's pathetic. Only the blind can't see Fury coming up with all sorts of excuses to avoid a fight. To be honest, I have already “let go” of this situation and I don’t care whether the fight will take place or not, as I already wrote, but the fact that some Fury fans pretend that “everything is fine and Fury didn’t put shit in his own pants” is a little surprising.

And yes, in an ideal world, I would like Usyk to win and offer Fury 5% or some fixed amount for a rematch with the words "bags are not worth more", but unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world. Sometimes third-rate athletes get world PR and recognition, even in football where you can’t shy away from opponents.

Well I would agree. I'm kinda hoping Usyk wins this now or at least puts Fury down a peg or two. There's really no excuse for this sort of greed and ironically it's his ego that has cost him more money because there's no way a fight in the UK is going to generate as much money as the Saudi's were offering and now Usyk has to take a massive paycut because of Fury's ego. If Fury does come out with some BS injury to try push the fight back it will be blatantly obvious what he's doing. The fight still hasn't even been signed so don't be surprised if he comes out with some rubbish that they couldn't get the deal done in time. Fury has only just started camp and he's without Sugar Hill for this so I'd be very surprised if he's fully fit in time for next month, though I guess at least he will have an excuse if he loses.

Boxing is full of casuals who can't even name some of its world champions. So it is not surprising to see a lot of them continue to praise and defend Tyson Fury and his antics.

To be honest 99% of the comments on youtube videos etc seem to be calling Fury out on this which is refreshing to see. Even Tyson addressed the 'haters' in his recent instagram stories. They're not haters Tyson, just fans who have had enough of all the BS and ego.

And with regards to the possibility of Fury submitting another contract with a rematch clause should he lose the fight, the conditions of the split in the rematch will be written there too. So it's not like Usyk can also demand an 80% split if he gives Fury a rematch. So Fury can say 70% in this fight and maybe 65% in the rematch, Usyk can take it or not fight at all. I missed how boxing in the past where the best fights the best without any complications and heavy demands on each sides.

Usyk can state in the contract that he agrees to the rematch but only if it's 70/30 to him. In fact, that's what he should do. At least don't accept anything less than 50/50 which is often what rematch contracts stipulate.

[Casdinyard]

Fury's fame is prolly getting over his head with all this ridiculous deals he ask of Usyk and the team. This is just unsportsmanlike and have it held the fight for too long would just make him look like he was stalling the fight or something. In any case I still believe he's going to win, prolly why he's pushing to get the bigger chunk from the cut instead of halving it nicely coz he knows he's gonna win and if he does it's just going to make things look great for him, and for his PR.

[hilariousandco]

Fury's fame is prolly getting over his head with all this ridiculous deals he ask of Usyk and the team. This is just unsportsmanlike and have it held the fight for too long would just make him look like he was stalling the fight or something. In any case I still believe he's going to win, prolly why he's pushing to get the bigger chunk from the cut instead of halving it nicely coz he knows he's gonna win and if he does it's just going to make things look great for him, and for his PR.

I think he's probably stalling. He really didn't think that Usyk would accept his low-ball offer but Usyk called his bluff. Tyson has been out of camp so is now rushing to try get fit but wont sign that contract until he knows he's well on the way to getting in shape. Don't be suspired if Tyson comes out with some injury BS or some other reason why the fight can't happen next month when in reality it will just be because Tyson isn't 100% fit and he won't be because he's been messing about in Dubai earlier this month and only started his first day of camp on the weekend.

[AverageGlabella]

Why do they not make a mandatory defense for Fury against Usyk? Fury cannot reject it and if he does the belts go to Usyk. I think that is the only way we will get this fight to happen because Fury does not want to sign the contract. Usyk is willing to fight for nothing and has pride. Fury is a joke and is not deserving of the belts if he does not want to fight the real challengers instead fight people past their prime.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Fury's fame is prolly getting over his head with all this ridiculous deals he ask of Usyk and the team. This is just unsportsmanlike and have it held the fight for too long would just make him look like he was stalling the fight or something. In any case I still believe he's going to win, prolly why he's pushing to get the bigger chunk from the cut instead of halving it nicely coz he knows he's gonna win and if he does it's just going to make things look great for him, and for his PR.

I think he's probably stalling. He really didn't think that Usyk would accept his low-ball offer but Usyk called his bluff. Tyson has been out of camp so is now rushing to try get fit but wont sign that contract until he knows he's well on the way to getting in shape. Don't be suspired if Tyson comes out with some injury BS or some other reason why the fight can't happen next month when in reality it will just be because Tyson isn't 100% fit and he won't be because he's been messing about in Dubai earlier this month and only started his first day of camp on the weekend.

It's either that or Fury doesn't want to fight Usyk at this point because he is afraid of losing the fight. And then what? they are talking about an April date when the fight is not moving at all?

So as I fan, I'm not confident that the fight is going to move as schedule, it might take a while but obviously, we all know who are delaying the fight at this point. Usyk and his camp are very vocal as to what is going on behind, even the 70-30%, but still Fury seems to be stalling the fight.

[inthelongrun]

Why do they not make a mandatory defense for Fury against Usyk? Fury cannot reject it and if he does the belts go to Usyk. I think that is the only way we will get this fight to happen because Fury does not want to sign the contract. Usyk is willing to fight for nothing and has pride. Fury is a joke and is not deserving of the belts if he does not want to fight the real challengers instead fight people past their prime.

The 4 major sanctioning bodies (WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO) cannot include in their rankings the already world champions from the other major organizations. Maybe it can be agreed but it's been years now that these 4 sanctioning bodies tried to negotiate in creating an undisputed champion per division to no avail. An attempt to do that without a pre-approval from the other major sanctioning bodies can only spark a war just like the WBC vs WBO before and it will only stop future unification bouts.

Fury is not only trying to bluff Usyk with heavy demands but it is also trying to disrupt Usyk's training. Usyk is already training for weeks already and there were rumors that Fury is yet to set up his own training camp. Although Fury at times tried to post that he is training but most likely not the usual training when someone has a scheduled fight. And Fury probably needs more time here as I doubt he will come at the same weight when he fought Wilder, Whyte, or Chisora. Fury is a smart guy and he won't come that heavy against a speedster like Usyk. Fury will probably fight when he feels right and ready. He might cut off Usyk's camp as the Ukrainian cannot overtrain and needs to relax his body. And it looks like Fury will make Usyk inactive for a year. 

[TopTort777]

Sadly, this fight is not going to happen. Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk undisputed title fight is now off

I knew that something like that was going to happen, because there were to many issues already to organize that fight. Like always, it seems that it is all about money. I felt that Fury was planning to make this fight as a his last fight, so he wanted to get the biggest purse as possible. Also it looks like Fury isnt interested in boxing anymore. He has achieved a lot already. His last fight with Chisora is an indicator of my guess.

[Jating]

Sadly, this fight is not going to happen. Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk undisputed title fight is now off

I knew that something like that was going to happen, because there were to many issues already to organize that fight. Like always, it seems that it is all about money. I felt that Fury was planning to make this fight as a his last fight, so he wanted to get the biggest purse as possible. Also it looks like Fury isnt interested in boxing anymore. He has achieved a lot already. His last fight with Chisora is an indicator of my guess.

Yeah, in the beginning it was just the issue of the venue, but maybe when their Middle East contacts didn't agree with what they are asking, then Fury switch stands wanted more money and that starts the finger pointing about the contract, the purse split and other issues.

And even if they are being pushed by the boxing body, there's no clear path for this fight, all they have is a date that's it.

As the fight date gets closer and still there are no negotiations except in media, then all signs point that this fight is really on jeopardy.

[yazher]

Sadly, this fight is not going to happen. Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk undisputed title fight is now off

I knew that something like that was going to happen, because there were to many issues already to organize that fight. Like always, it seems that it is all about money. I felt that Fury was planning to make this fight as a his last fight, so he wanted to get the biggest purse as possible. Also it looks like Fury isnt interested in boxing anymore. He has achieved a lot already. His last fight with Chisora is an indicator of my guess.

That was really bad news and if that is so, they need to give the fight he really wants because this guy gave something in the history of boxing a fight that will never be forgotten. Anyway, that was his own choice and he probably saw something wrong when he gonna fight Usyk and he might lose his chance to retire with a never forgotten fight win of his career.

It's really bad when someone is about to retire and loses their last fight and it should be a win for them if only they know how to pick an opponent that they can easily beat.

[Balmain]

Sadly, this fight is not going to happen. Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk undisputed title fight is now off

I knew that something like that was going to happen, because there were to many issues already to organize that fight. Like always, it seems that it is all about money. I felt that Fury was planning to make this fight as a his last fight, so he wanted to get the biggest purse as possible. Also it looks like Fury isnt interested in boxing anymore. He has achieved a lot already. His last fight with Chisora is an indicator of my guess.

I expected something like this to happen. This fight will be organized somehow. Maybe these adjustments can take a long time. I wish we could see a trilogy. It's too early to tell the trilogy, maybe it will be short with the superiority of one side in the fight, and if there is such an ending, there will be no rematch. As far as I understand the disagreement, the British wanted a rematch, is it just because of this?.

[serjent05]

The first time I read about the fight not going to happen I already think that it is the matter of split that made the fight impossible.  It is funny that USYK already accepted the 70/30 getting the lower end of the deal and yet FURY still wants a 70/30 on the rematch split. 

Usyk accused Fury of being greedy while Fury accused Usyk of being a coward.  But whatever it is, I am very disappointed on the greediness of Fury. I hope Fury loses his next fight, let us see if he can still apply that greed to reclaim his title if he lost a fight.

For the collapse of the deal between Usyk and Fury, Usyk is now looking at a possible title defense against the WBA mandatory challenger  Daniel Dubois

[Baofeng]

The first time I read about the fight not going to happen I already think that it is the matter of split that made the fight impossible.  It is funny that USYK already accepted the 70/30 getting the lower end of the deal and yet FURY still wants a 70/30 on the rematch split.  

Usyk accused Fury of being greedy while Fury accused Usyk of being a coward.  But whatever it is, I am very disappointed on the greediness of Fury. I hope Fury loses his next fight, let us see if he can still apply that greed to reclaim his title if he lost a fight.

For the collapse of the deal between Usyk and Fury, Usyk is now looking at a possible title defense against the WBA mandatory challenger  Daniel Dubois

Yeah, that rematch split though, Usyk gave in to the initial request having to split it to 70/30. But in the rematch definitely it's his turn to demand something in return, but Fury still wanted more even in rematch, hehehe. That's obviously greediness on his part, he wants more money either 1 or 2 fights with Usyk. Now he goes on his media tirade against Usyk, attacking him personally. But for us fans, it was clearly the Fury is the one to blame for this fight not going to happen. Doesn't matter if Usyk will fight Dubois for a mere buck as per Fury. At least Usyk stood his ground, he has the most belts in this negotiation and yet Fury treated him as if he has that 3 belts. There's no point of going on with the negotiations, Fury has a lot of unreasonable demands.

[KTChampions]

Sadly, this fight is not going to happen. Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk undisputed title fight is now off

I knew that something like that was going to happen, because there were to many issues already to organize that fight. Like always, it seems that it is all about money. I felt that Fury was planning to make this fight as a his last fight, so he wanted to get the biggest purse as possible. Also it looks like Fury isnt interested in boxing anymore. He has achieved a lot already. His last fight with Chisora is an indicator of my guess.

You probably overslept the last weeks and missed a lot of the news that was discussed in this thread 
The fight fell through for one reason only: Fury is a coward who is afraid of getting a one in the defeat column, so even when his financially absurd requirements were met, he continued to come up with reasons to derail the fight.

Huge shame. However, he still has the option of boxing with bums, but if I were him, I would immediately go to the circus. Apparently this is his ceiling.

[TopTort777]

Sadly, this fight is not going to happen. Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk undisputed title fight is now off

I knew that something like that was going to happen, because there were to many issues already to organize that fight. Like always, it seems that it is all about money. I felt that Fury was planning to make this fight as a his last fight, so he wanted to get the biggest purse as possible. Also it looks like Fury isnt interested in boxing anymore. He has achieved a lot already. His last fight with Chisora is an indicator of my guess.

You probably overslept the last weeks and missed a lot of the news that was discussed in this thread 
The fight fell through for one reason only: Fury is a coward who is afraid of getting a one in the defeat column, so even when his financially absurd requirements were met, he continued to come up with reasons to derail the fight.

Huge shame. However, he still has the option of boxing with bums, but if I were him, I would immediately go to the circus. Apparently this is his ceiling.

Probably, but was only in this thread, but few days ago it became clear in and for press that this fight is never going to happen. I would not be saying that this is due to Fury being coward. Even a coward would overpower his fears and step inside the ring to get millions

I think Fury just went crazy. A lot of pressure from everyone towards that fight. Seems that he is no longer so much interested in boxing. Either fed up with it, or got bored, lost motivation. I would not be surprised if he has returned to drinking and alco bothers him to think reasonable

[btc_angela]

Sadly, this fight is not going to happen. Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk undisputed title fight is now off

I knew that something like that was going to happen, because there were to many issues already to organize that fight. Like always, it seems that it is all about money. I felt that Fury was planning to make this fight as a his last fight, so he wanted to get the biggest purse as possible. Also it looks like Fury isnt interested in boxing anymore. He has achieved a lot already. His last fight with Chisora is an indicator of my guess.

You probably overslept the last weeks and missed a lot of the news that was discussed in this thread  
The fight fell through for one reason only: Fury is a coward who is afraid of getting a one in the defeat column, so even when his financially absurd requirements were met, he continued to come up with reasons to derail the fight.

Huge shame. However, he still has the option of boxing with bums, but if I were him, I would immediately go to the circus. Apparently this is his ceiling.

Probably, but was only in this thread, but few days ago it became clear in and for press that this fight is never going to happen. I would not be saying that this is due to Fury being coward. Even a coward would overpower his fears and step inside the ring to get millions

I think Fury just went crazy. A lot of pressure from everyone towards that fight. Seems that he is no longer so much interested in boxing. Either fed up with it, or got bored, lost motivation. I would not be surprised if he has returned to drinking and alco bothers him to think reasonable

And now there are reports that he is contemplating retirement, yeah, probably the Gypsy king is is another mental issues or something. So let's see what will be his next move. Although not the first time that we will hear from him retiring for good and then making a comeback.

On the contrary, Usyk can move forward and fight Dubois (who is also promoted by Frank Warren). Maybe May or June for this fight?

And for once, we may have to stop mentioning the name of Fury in this heavyweight division.

[KTChampions]

The cowardly Fury is so stupid that in the stream of his boasting he told the pure truth:

"If he (Usyk) beat me it’s like ‘Oh my god, he beat the mammoth who no one couldn’t be beat!’ I’m not going to give somebody the opportunity to gain that. Hell no."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-boxing-fight-news-30820007

I wrote about it in this thread, and now stupid Fury has confirmed it, although such an admission is rather shameful. So, exhibition fights, circus performances, fights with bums are ahead of us, but not boxing performed by Fury.

[Yaunfitda]

The cowardly Fury is so stupid that in the stream of his boasting he told the pure truth:

"If he (Usyk) beat me it’s like ‘Oh my god, he beat the mammoth who no one couldn’t be beat!’ I’m not going to give somebody the opportunity to gain that. Hell no."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-boxing-fight-news-30820007

I wrote about it in this thread, and now stupid Fury has confirmed it, although such an admission is rather shameful. So, exhibition fights, circus performances, fights with bums are ahead of us, but not boxing performed by Fury.

I think you cut the better part of the statement,

It would probably be a better fight if Usyk and AJ fought me both together, like a tag-team. Just keep switching between rounds. I’d actually batter them both on the same night, that’s how easy they are.”

So not sure if we would to take that statement seriously though, I mean it's obvious that he just wanted some media attention because everything is on Usyk right now as he won over Dubois. And as you have said, it's just pure boast on his side, nothing else.

[Natalim]

There's a significant rationale behind Fury considering a fight against Usyk, especially since Usyk holds multiple belts now. When comparing their attributes side by side, the distinct difference in height and reach becomes quite evident.

Fury stands at 6 feet 9 inches, towering over Usyk's 6 feet 3 inches, and also possesses a 7-inch reach advantage. With these physical disparities, it's possible to envision a strategic approach Fury might adopt. Given Fury's reputation for ring intelligence, it's unlikely he would allow himself to be outboxed by a shorter opponent. His game plan would likely revolve around exploiting his reach advantage and employing his tactical acumen to secure victory.

I can already Imagine Fury would be holding all the belts in the heavyweight division.

[KTChampions]

I think you cut the better part of the statement,

It would probably be a better fight if Usyk and AJ fought me both together, like a tag-team. Just keep switching between rounds. I’d actually batter them both on the same night, that’s how easy they are.”

So not sure if we would to take that statement seriously though, I mean it's obvious that he just wanted some media attention because everything is on Usyk right now as he won over Dubois. And as you have said, it's just pure boast on his side, nothing else.

I didn't cut anything. You yourself admit that this is boasting, and I directly wrote about it too:

The cowardly Fury is so stupid that in the stream of his boasting he told the pure truth:

The funniest thing is that either he's not very smart, or his PR manager, so in a stream of bragging (which is probably nothing bad for a media person), he let it slip and told the truth.

Everyone understands this, here is Ruiz’s recent opinion:

“Is Fury ducking Usyk? I think so. Everybody right now wants the easy fights.”
https://boxing-social.com/news/former-champ-fury-ducking-usyk/