[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK sponsored by Utopia

[Baofeng]

Well it was revealed by Alexander Krassyuk promoter of Usyk, that Fury and his camp turns down a 50/50 split, meaning Fury is asking for the bigger pie obviously. And then they said 60/40 for the winner of the fight?

But still Fury turn it down, so whoever we believed right not, still boils to numbers, and how much Fury is going to make in this fight. It's not like there is money in the table, and everyone agree to split in in the middle or the other camp got the bigger pie. Fury is looking for a specific numbers in this fight according to Krassyuk. And with this revelation, the negotiation has hit a wall.



https://twitter.com/IFLTV/status/1633425814657146884

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Well it was revealed by Alexander Krassyuk promoter of Usyk, that Fury and his camp turns down a 50/50 split, meaning Fury is asking for the bigger pie obviously. And then they said 60/40 for the winner of the fight?

But still Fury turn it down, so whoever we believed right not, still boils to numbers, and how much Fury is going to make in this fight. It's not like there is money in the table, and everyone agree to split in in the middle or the other camp got the bigger pie. Fury is looking for a specific numbers in this fight according to Krassyuk. And with this revelation, the negotiation has hit a wall.

People really need to hold Fury accountable for this ridiculously greedy behaviour. Usyk had already agreed a deal and a fight fee with with Saudi as had Fury but Fury wasn't going to sign unless he got double what AJ did for the Usyk fight. Because they wouldn't give him that then they would have to do the fight at Wembley on Fury's terms but he wanted 60/40 in his favour when Usyk wanted 50/50. Usyk have now offered to do 60/40 but to the winner and now Fury has turned this down as well. Fury can't be that confident if he won't agree to that. Fury should have just taken the original Saudi deal rather than trying to be greedy and now everyone is probably going to lose out and Fury will be fighting a bum next most likely. Either take the 50/50 or do the 60% to the winner. Both of those will net Fury more than him fighting somebody nobody wants to see. The Fury V Usyk fight will likely never happen if it doesn't get signed soon because Usyk has three mandatories lined up now and then Fury will have his too but maybe Fury secretly wants that because he knows Usyk will be tricky.

[inthelongrun]

It looks like Tyson Fury took not just the WBC from Wilder but the being a duck champion as well. I remember when duck Wilder became the WBC champ and all the remaining belts were already held by Wlad and were denied a chance to become the first ever undisputed in the 4-belt era. Now Fury also has the chance to deny Usyk not just the undisputed heavyweight championship but also the chance to become the first undisputed in 2 divisions.

It's possible that Fury wants Usyk to become inactive for about a year. Fury can drag this out until April or May and when the sanctioning belts or Usyk will try to book for another opponent, Fury will accept the deal and schedule this fight around July or August.

[btc_angela]

It looks like Tyson Fury took not just the WBC from Wilder but the being a duck champion as well. I remember when duck Wilder became the WBC champ and all the remaining belts were already held by Wlad and were denied a chance to become the first ever undisputed in the 4-belt era. Now Fury also has the chance to deny Usyk not just the undisputed heavyweight championship but also the chance to become the first undisputed in 2 divisions.

It's possible that Fury wants Usyk to become inactive for about a year. Fury can drag this out until April or May and when the sanctioning belts or Usyk will try to book for another opponent, Fury will accept the deal and schedule this fight around July or August.

Maybe he is not that confident to really beat a supposedly CW? 50/50 or even 60/40 seems to be fair offer by Usyk and his team, but maybe he doubt himself and just to make sure even if he loses, he will get the most money out of that fight. That scenario is possible, Fury opting for another tune up, easy money, instead of Usyk, so it's the risk reward ratio for him. Usyk though seems to be still training and there are tweets saying that one strategy for him is to get bigger, or at least gain some weight for the Fury fight.

[Welsh]

People really need to hold Fury accountable for this ridiculously greedy behaviour. Usyk had already agreed a deal and a fight fee with with Saudi as had Fury but Fury wasn't going to sign unless he got double what AJ did for the Usyk fight. Because they wouldn't give him that then they would have to do the fight at Wembley on Fury's terms but he wanted 60/40 in his favour when Usyk wanted 50/50. Usyk have now offered to do 60/40 but to the winner and now Fury has turned this down as well. Fury can't be that confident if he won't agree to that. Fury should have just taken the original Saudi deal rather than trying to be greedy and now everyone is probably going to lose out and Fury will be fighting a bum next most likely. Either take the 50/50 or do the 60% to the winner. Both of those will net Fury more than him fighting somebody nobody wants to see. The Fury V Usyk fight will likely never happen if it doesn't get signed soon because Usyk has three mandatories lined up now and then Fury will have his too but maybe Fury secretly wants that because he knows Usyk will be tricky.

I'm a massive fan of Tyson, I've got his books, watched his documentaries, and I watch every single fight of his. The issue I have is, he always portrays that he doesn't care about his legacy or money, when that's obviously a blatant lie. I wish he was just a little more honest at times, and I don't doubt that the Joshua vs Fury fight was cancelled due to Fury, since from that point on there's been multiple accusations thrown by a couple of different people that he's the one that holds the fights up.

I used to think it was the promoters trying to milk the cow a little, and not wanting the riskier fights. However, I think my view of that has changed, at least when involving Fury. I don't know if it's confidence with Fury though, I think he's rather confident going into the fight against Usyk, I just think he's trying to get as much money as possible knowing he won't be doing this forever.

Although, he already has a ton of money that I could happily retire on tomorrow. I just wished, he'd do the fans a service take a 60/40, and deliver what the fans want to watch. I love him as a boxer, I love the banter he brings, but I certainly don't like his business practices.

[hilariousetc]

Now Tyson is offering Usyk 30% https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aqcvR7e-xGw

I'm a massive fan of Tyson, I've got his books, watched his documentaries, and I watch every single fight of his. The issue I have is, he always portrays that he doesn't care about his legacy or money, when that's obviously a blatant lie. I wish he was just a little more honest at times, and I don't doubt that the Joshua vs Fury fight was cancelled due to Fury, since from that point on there's been multiple accusations thrown by a couple of different people that he's the one that holds the fights up.

I used to think it was the promoters trying to milk the cow a little, and not wanting the riskier fights. However, I think my view of that has changed, at least when involving Fury. I don't know if it's confidence with Fury though, I think he's rather confident going into the fight against Usyk, I just think he's trying to get as much money as possible knowing he won't be doing this forever.

Although, he already has a ton of money that I could happily retire on tomorrow. I just wished, he'd do the fans a service take a 60/40, and deliver what the fans want to watch. I love him as a boxer, I love the banter he brings, but I certainly don't like his business practices.

It's usually always the boxers. Promoters just want the most money and if fights don't get made they get nothing. This Usyk fight is probably the biggest money-spinner for Fury right now and will earn ten times as much as fighting someone like Chisora or Whyte again. Fury's ego is obviously getting involved as well though. I think he got offered what AJ did for the Usyk fight but Fury thinks he's worth much more than that and wanted double because he thinks he's worth double AJ. Now he's going to end up with a pittance in comparison if he just fights some randomer. He should have just taken the Saudi money which would already have been the most he was going to get. HE says he doesn't care about money or legacy but he clearly does. And there's nothing wrong with that but don't chat shit about how you don't care about these things.

[KTChampions]

Friends, how long can you talk about money and not notice the elephant in the room? 
50/50, 60/40 (even if Fury loses and gets 40) it's always many times more than Fury will get for a few fights with bums. The bottom line is that Fury is a coward and runs from Usyk just like he ran from Klitschko, although now Fury is no longer young himself, so this is a dangerous tactic and can work against him.
As a whole, I don’t care if the fight takes place and who wins in it - Fury has already disgraced himself. Serial coward, one of the most pathetic champions.

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So apparently Usyk has agreed to fight under this deal 70/30 deal and signed on the deadline day: https://twitter.com/usykaa/status/1634284129620578304
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/64924925

Whilst I'm glad Usyk was the better man and took the lowball deal rather than letting the fight fall through which Fury would have been happy to have happen I don't think it's fair on Usyk and I think this is just going to encourage more of the same behaviour from Fury. To be honest, I hope Usyk wins now. Hopefully Fury gets booed during the ring walk at least. I see a lot of his fans turning against him over his recent shenanigans. No doubt the PPV will be a record high of near £50 or something.

[KTChampions]

Well, after Fury's financial conditions were satisfied, and now he comes up with new excuses (the option of a rematch, which was originally included in the contract by Fury's team), does anyone else doubt that he is a cowardly piece of shit?
Guys, seriously, give me another version of why Fury is trying to avoid a fight 
Usyk's team and Usyk himself are already openly mocking Fury's cowardice.

[Baofeng]

So apparently Usyk has agreed to fight under this deal 70/30 deal and signed on the deadline day: https://twitter.com/usykaa/status/1634284129620578304
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/64924925

Whilst I'm glad Usyk was the better man and took the lowball deal rather than letting the fight fall through which Fury would have been happy to have happen I don't think it's fair on Usyk and I think this is just going to encourage more of the same behaviour from Fury. To be honest, I hope Usyk wins now. Hopefully Fury gets booed during the ring walk at least. I see a lot of his fans turning against him over his recent shenanigans. No doubt the PPV will be a record high of near £50 or something.

And if there's no deal made, then WBA will have to ordered Usyk to fight Dubois, there are even news that the rematch clause has been disputed by Fury's camp. Could be true that this is clearly a duck on Tyson's part. And I wouldn't be surprised if this fight is not going to happen.

It will be finger pointing after this, and guess what, he will proceed to fight another B-level fighter and continue to dodge Usyk, hehehe.

Yeah, most likely some fans of his can't justify his behavior right now.

[JollyGood]

Whether it was Jordan or Usyk, he made comments in true Tyson Fury fashion, he said: "I can’t wait, I’m in the best shape of my life, I’m fucking ready to rock and troll, I wish it was this weekend. Usyk you gappy-teeth, ugly, bug-eyed, rabbit, cat, ugly piece of s***, you are getting knocked the f*** out"

Whether it is 70/30 with or without the £1 million donation or any other split, most fans are tired of the delay and simply want to see the unification fight to take place.

[yazher]

Whether it is 70/30 with or without the £1 million donation or any other split, most fans are tired of the delay and simply want to see the unification fight to take place.

Again is all about how to split the money and this is the reason why most fights such as this one never really happen till now. They really need to make this fight as soon as possible and if they really want it to happen, it will gonna happen considering the fight that will gonna take place this May between Garcia and Davis. We see that they are the only ones who are not serious about it for whatever reasons they have, people are tired to hear it and if they wanted not to fight, they could have just been silent about it not to make any hype for a fight that will never gonna happen anyway.

[JollyGood]

That is life when it comes to business and business dealings, it is all about money. Sure there is prestige at stake as well as a history-in-the-making event such as a unification fight but if the correct money is not on the table or if the split is not acceptable the fight will not go ahead.

Until they actually get it on in the ring, I suppose we will have to keep on reading those funny comments from Fury to keep us busy 

Again is all about how to split the money and this is the reason why most fights such as this one never really happen till now. They really need to make this fight as soon as possible and if they really want it to happen, it will gonna happen considering the fight that will gonna take place this May between Garcia and Davis. We see that they are the only ones who are not serious about it for whatever reasons they have, people are tired to hear it and if they wanted not to fight, they could have just been silent about it not to make any hype for a fight that will never gonna happen anyway.

[hilariousetc]

Well, after Fury's financial conditions were satisfied, and now he comes up with new excuses (the option of a rematch, which was originally included in the contract by Fury's team), does anyone else doubt that he is a cowardly piece of shit?
Guys, seriously, give me another version of why Fury is trying to avoid a fight  
Usyk's team and Usyk himself are already openly mocking Fury's cowardice.

The funny thing is is that it was Tyson who requested the rematch clause and it could come back to bite him. If Tyson loses, especially on points, he will be begging for a rematch. Hopefully Usyk agrees but only if it's 80 / 20 in his favour or something  . Personally I hope there's no rematch clause as we could end up seeing another trilogy holding the entire division up. If it's a good fight and both parties want a rematch then let them do it I guess but having it contractually obligated the loser is obviously going to want another chance to win their belts back but I'd prefer it if the winner just goes on to fight their other mandatories instead.

[KTChampions]

Well, after Fury's financial conditions were satisfied, and now he comes up with new excuses (the option of a rematch, which was originally included in the contract by Fury's team), does anyone else doubt that he is a cowardly piece of shit?
Guys, seriously, give me another version of why Fury is trying to avoid a fight  
Usyk's team and Usyk himself are already openly mocking Fury's cowardice.

The funny thing is is that it was Tyson who requested the rematch clause and it could come back to bite him. If Tyson loses, especially on points, he will be begging for a rematch. Hopefully Usyk agrees but only if it's 80 / 20 in his favour or something  . Personally I hope there's no rematch clause as we could end up seeing another trilogy holding the entire division up. If it's a good fight and both parties want a rematch then let them do it I guess but having it contractually obligated the loser is obviously going to want another chance to win their belts back but I'd prefer it if the winner just goes on to fight their other mandatories instead.

It's not funny, it's pathetic. Only the blind can't see Fury coming up with all sorts of excuses to avoid a fight. To be honest, I have already “let go” of this situation and I don’t care whether the fight will take place or not, as I already wrote, but the fact that some Fury fans pretend that “everything is fine and Fury didn’t put shit in his own pants” is a little surprising.

And yes, in an ideal world, I would like Usyk to win and offer Fury 5% or some fixed amount for a rematch with the words "bags are not worth more", but unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world. Sometimes third-rate athletes get world PR and recognition, even in football where you can’t shy away from opponents.

[inthelongrun]

Well, after Fury's financial conditions were satisfied, and now he comes up with new excuses (the option of a rematch, which was originally included in the contract by Fury's team), does anyone else doubt that he is a cowardly piece of shit?
Guys, seriously, give me another version of why Fury is trying to avoid a fight  
Usyk's team and Usyk himself are already openly mocking Fury's cowardice.

The funny thing is is that it was Tyson who requested the rematch clause and it could come back to bite him. If Tyson loses, especially on points, he will be begging for a rematch. Hopefully Usyk agrees but only if it's 80 / 20 in his favour or something  . Personally I hope there's no rematch clause as we could end up seeing another trilogy holding the entire division up. If it's a good fight and both parties want a rematch then let them do it I guess but having it contractually obligated the loser is obviously going to want another chance to win their belts back but I'd prefer it if the winner just goes on to fight their other mandatories instead.

It's not funny, it's pathetic. Only the blind can't see Fury coming up with all sorts of excuses to avoid a fight. To be honest, I have already “let go” of this situation and I don’t care whether the fight will take place or not, as I already wrote, but the fact that some Fury fans pretend that “everything is fine and Fury didn’t put shit in his own pants” is a little surprising.

And yes, in an ideal world, I would like Usyk to win and offer Fury 5% or some fixed amount for a rematch with the words "bags are not worth more", but unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world. Sometimes third-rate athletes get world PR and recognition, even in football where you can’t shy away from opponents.

Boxing is full of casuals who can't even name some of its world champions. So it is not surprising to see a lot of them continue to praise and defend Tyson Fury and his antics.

And with regards to the possibility of Fury submitting another contract with a rematch clause should he lose the fight, the conditions of the split in the rematch will be written there too. So it's not like Usyk can also demand an 80% split if he gives Fury a rematch. So Fury can say 70% in this fight and maybe 65% in the rematch, Usyk can take it or not fight at all. I missed how boxing in the past where the best fights the best without any complications and heavy demands on each sides.

[hilariousandco]

It's not funny, it's pathetic. Only the blind can't see Fury coming up with all sorts of excuses to avoid a fight. To be honest, I have already “let go” of this situation and I don’t care whether the fight will take place or not, as I already wrote, but the fact that some Fury fans pretend that “everything is fine and Fury didn’t put shit in his own pants” is a little surprising.

And yes, in an ideal world, I would like Usyk to win and offer Fury 5% or some fixed amount for a rematch with the words "bags are not worth more", but unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world. Sometimes third-rate athletes get world PR and recognition, even in football where you can’t shy away from opponents.

Well I would agree. I'm kinda hoping Usyk wins this now or at least puts Fury down a peg or two. There's really no excuse for this sort of greed and ironically it's his ego that has cost him more money because there's no way a fight in the UK is going to generate as much money as the Saudi's were offering and now Usyk has to take a massive paycut because of Fury's ego. If Fury does come out with some BS injury to try push the fight back it will be blatantly obvious what he's doing. The fight still hasn't even been signed so don't be surprised if he comes out with some rubbish that they couldn't get the deal done in time. Fury has only just started camp and he's without Sugar Hill for this so I'd be very surprised if he's fully fit in time for next month, though I guess at least he will have an excuse if he loses.

Boxing is full of casuals who can't even name some of its world champions. So it is not surprising to see a lot of them continue to praise and defend Tyson Fury and his antics.

To be honest 99% of the comments on youtube videos etc seem to be calling Fury out on this which is refreshing to see. Even Tyson addressed the 'haters' in his recent instagram stories. They're not haters Tyson, just fans who have had enough of all the BS and ego.

And with regards to the possibility of Fury submitting another contract with a rematch clause should he lose the fight, the conditions of the split in the rematch will be written there too. So it's not like Usyk can also demand an 80% split if he gives Fury a rematch. So Fury can say 70% in this fight and maybe 65% in the rematch, Usyk can take it or not fight at all. I missed how boxing in the past where the best fights the best without any complications and heavy demands on each sides.

Usyk can state in the contract that he agrees to the rematch but only if it's 70/30 to him. In fact, that's what he should do. At least don't accept anything less than 50/50 which is often what rematch contracts stipulate.

[Casdinyard]

Fury's fame is prolly getting over his head with all this ridiculous deals he ask of Usyk and the team. This is just unsportsmanlike and have it held the fight for too long would just make him look like he was stalling the fight or something. In any case I still believe he's going to win, prolly why he's pushing to get the bigger chunk from the cut instead of halving it nicely coz he knows he's gonna win and if he does it's just going to make things look great for him, and for his PR.

[hilariousandco]

Fury's fame is prolly getting over his head with all this ridiculous deals he ask of Usyk and the team. This is just unsportsmanlike and have it held the fight for too long would just make him look like he was stalling the fight or something. In any case I still believe he's going to win, prolly why he's pushing to get the bigger chunk from the cut instead of halving it nicely coz he knows he's gonna win and if he does it's just going to make things look great for him, and for his PR.

I think he's probably stalling. He really didn't think that Usyk would accept his low-ball offer but Usyk called his bluff. Tyson has been out of camp so is now rushing to try get fit but wont sign that contract until he knows he's well on the way to getting in shape. Don't be suspired if Tyson comes out with some injury BS or some other reason why the fight can't happen next month when in reality it will just be because Tyson isn't 100% fit and he won't be because he's been messing about in Dubai earlier this month and only started his first day of camp on the weekend.

[AverageGlabella]

Why do they not make a mandatory defense for Fury against Usyk? Fury cannot reject it and if he does the belts go to Usyk. I think that is the only way we will get this fight to happen because Fury does not want to sign the contract. Usyk is willing to fight for nothing and has pride. Fury is a joke and is not deserving of the belts if he does not want to fight the real challengers instead fight people past their prime.