Rebuttal: Rich Mindset vs Poor Mindset

[Fatunad]

I grew up in a family that wasn't rich, and when something broke, it set us back for months, my parents are still like that unfortunately. A pipe bursts? You do not calculate it and you barely have enough to survive anyway, so you pay it but then you postpone something else, your tooth needs dentist? You pay that but then postpone something else.

For a family that had one salary from my father, and 3 people to live on it, we barely survived, thankfully it was good and we lived a good life, I have never classified myself poor or my family "poor", but we weren't rich, I can say that. That is why I can easily say  that all those "lessons" that rich people give would be from rich people perspective. Give a wealthy person 1 year to live on a salary of a delivery guy and they would go mad and would be in big debt too.

We are on the same situation but those things didn't stop me on believing that i could be successful one day. Yes, its hard but its something that isnt impossible.
Just grind and work hard as much as you could and having or making good decisions on various situations which you do seem fit and could really be beneficial for long term.
Just dont be greedy or be harsh towards other people which it might be ending up on supporting you on what you are trying to achieve.
I know its not something simple because everyone is really thriving to have a better life.

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[Jody.Drummer]

correctly. Taking a view on an issue will be different if it is done from a different point of view. Even the thoughts of every human being are different. there are those who prefer to live simply and enjoy what is, there are also those who have big ambitions. So the views of the two are definitely different. I also don't come from a rich family. but I was taught to be grateful for what I have. and I'm not allowed to look down on anyone even if it's a small child. I also can't humble myself in front of rich people. because we are the same. many treasures and not many treasures is not a measure of a caste and degree in life. morals are very strictly taught in my family.

In this case, I quite agree with a simple mindset and be grateful for what you have, but in other respects, actually believe it or not, the fact that money and wealth clearly distinguishes castes. Social classification for now is clearly very difficult to eliminate because nowadays almost everyone is more based on wealth and throne, so caste is the determining factor.
This can be a differentiator from environmental factors and the circle of friends they have which proves that wealth and throne can distinguish caste.

[Smack That Ace]

I dont like joining debates about this rich and poor differences when it is in social media because there are a lot of stupid people there who don't think first before they put it in words using their keyboards. Yes, they are called the keyboard warriors to be precise. I am avoiding them for most are pessimistic ideas and you won't learn anything from them but just fuels your stress.

I like what you have done though, protecting the poor who have dreams. But there are a lot of poor people that are just too lazy about anything and are just giving up with their dreams, so they tend to just put the blame in their parents or their God.
This is case to case basis.
Because there are also rich people who won't keep their riches if they stop working. So hardwork is still necessary and once they become lazy their kingdom will fall.

It couldn't be more true. Not all rich people are right and not all poor people are wrong or vice versa. There are many poor people who are very good but do not have the opportunity to promote and express themselves, but there are also many poor people who are lazy, always blame fate, refuse to work and always complain that life is not fair. But for the rich, not everyone is born into a rich family, there are many people who have come up from poverty and they have worked while others are sleeping so they deserve to be successful. Being born in a poor family does not mean your future will be poor, everything depends on you.

[Silberman]

I dont like joining debates about this rich and poor differences when it is in social media because there are a lot of stupid people there who don't think first before they put it in words using their keyboards. Yes, they are called the keyboard warriors to be precise. I am avoiding them for most are pessimistic ideas and you won't learn anything from them but just fuels your stress.

I like what you have done though, protecting the poor who have dreams. But there are a lot of poor people that are just too lazy about anything and are just giving up with their dreams, so they tend to just put the blame in their parents or their God.
This is case to case basis.
Because there are also rich people who won't keep their riches if they stop working. So hardwork is still necessary and once they become lazy their kingdom will fall.

It couldn't be more true. Not all rich people are right and not all poor people are wrong or vice versa. There are many poor people who are very good but do not have the opportunity to promote and express themselves, but there are also many poor people who are lazy, always blame fate, refuse to work and always complain that life is not fair. But for the rich, not everyone is born into a rich family, there are many people who have come up from poverty and they have worked while others are sleeping so they deserve to be successful. Being born in a poor family does not mean your future will be poor, everything depends on you.

This tells us like always that it does not matter how much money you have in your bank account what matters is who you are and where are you going, besides while money is without a doubt important it should not be the only way to measure success, as there are a lot of people which are incredibly rich and famous which will most likely give it all in order to have a middle class kind of life in which they were infinitely more happy.

[Bitcoin2009]

Rich and poor minds will certainly distinguish behavior every day, people who think rich when they are still poor will think about developing the money they have, while rich people who think poor will act extravagantly until the money runs out and become poor.

[EarnOnVictor]

As we all know the power of money is something that cannot be underestimated, so it is impossible to give the poor the very same opportunities that someone that is rich has.

The high disparity between the rich and poor class when it comes to privileges of the rich made me vote for the poor to be better than the rich. The truth is that when given the two of them the same hash tasks, the poor will highly likely survive, while the rich might collapse/fail since they are not used to the harsh condition.

Yet, the poor would survive the good environment just like the rich. Tell me who wins? The poor of course.

I grew up in a family that wasn't rich, and when something broke, it set us back for months, my parents are still like that unfortunately. A pipe bursts? You do not calculate it and you barely have enough to survive anyway, so you pay it but then you postpone something else, your tooth needs dentist? You pay that but then postpone something else.

For a family that had one salary from my father, and 3 people to live on it, we barely survived, thankfully it was good and we lived a good life, I have never classified myself poor or my family "poor", but we weren't rich, I can say that. That is why I can easily say  that all those "lessons" that rich people give would be from rich people perspective. Give a wealthy person 1 year to live on a salary of a delivery guy and they would go mad and would be in big debt too.

Your story is touching! Can you imagine? So if they now give someone like you the privilege of the rich, would you misuse it judging from where you are coming from? The poor have been taught in a tough way, so they are better.

It couldn't be more true. Not all rich people are right and not all poor people are wrong or vice versa.

I believe some of you are not getting what the subject is all about. It is not about individuals now but the generality of what could be inferred between the poor and rich. Social media is awash with the fact that the rich are better, but I refuted it since they are not better but only privileged to be rich. So, it is not about one being better than the other in a place and the other in another place. It is all about one thing, can the rich survive what the poor are surviving? And the poor survive what the rich are surviving? You should know the answer by now.

[kryptqnick]

I completely agree with the op. I hate this whole 'rich mindset, poor mindset' thing because it's extremely ignorant of the privileges that some people are just born into and very unfortunate circumstances that others have to deal with. To add a bit of nuanced view to the overall good points the op raised:
- of course, if you're born poor, it doesn't mean that you have a great active mindset, are eager to learn and the only thing stopping you is your unfortunate circumstances;
- if you're rich, it doesn't mean everything will be handed to you and the only thing stopping you is your mindset.
Nobody says that everyone is the same within a broad category of people or that everything is easy for someone. It's just that it's very important to take a moment to recognize that tons of things depend on the country, family, wealth you're being born into. It starts extremely early on and continues throughout your life (the preconditions plus sometimes some random fortunate or unfortunate events). And yes, there are inspiring stories of people that get out of terrible circumstances, beat the odds and become wealthy. But it's absolutely unfair to point at such cases and say that everyone has got a shot and that privileges aren't real. Life is very different for many people, and it's important to understand that equal amount of effort can lead to extremely different results because of the circumstances.
A very simple example from my life: I've seen kids in a village who are average and overall don't mind learning new things at school, but they are forced by their parents to look after their younger siblings as well as do things like grow vegetables and sell some stuff on the markets on the weekends when they are teenagers. It's really hard to follow through with learning when you are forced to do many other things which are time-consuming. Similarly, I taught at a fancy private school where kids were taught very well and where teachers always helped the kids to understand things, tried making it interesting to them, and where you could easily request a private lesson for a teacher to help you with your homework. So the same average kids (who are not very eager to learn but are generally okay with leaning new things and doing homework) of course didn't have to take care of their siblings (because there are expensive nannies for that) nor sell produce or grow veggies (because they live in a big city and their parents are very wealthy), and they also have very nice teachers sharing knowledge with them. Equal intellectual capabilities, eagerness to learn and effort would lead to one kid barely knowing anything and another learning quite a lot and then, most likely, go to a good uni because of both knowledge and ability of parents to pay for their education.

[mu_enrico]

That money and privilege though can positively affect many things if it's used correctly. With money comes better education, better nutrition, better social life, connection, etc. I'm not saying the poor can't compete with the rich, but they are already in a disadvantageous position compared to the rich. Maybe these situations affect mindset, but mindset alone won't mean a damn thing in the real world. Success is a combination of many factors, including luck.

The more beneficial mindset for the poor is the realization of their disadvantageous position. Therefore, they must try to push their limit to be competitive: work more, study more, and win just like in the anime. But, I've seen enough poor people stop trying and only demand "equality" dragging rich people down, and destroying the economy.

[Obari]

Pretty hard to discuss which is "better" knowing that there are a crap ton of factors to take into consideration when discussing "rich" vs "poor". Arguments from both sides are painted with a broad brush, as if all "rich" people think the same, and that all "poor" people think the same as well. Which obviously is not the case.

Adding to all you've said, I also agree that the term "rich" and "poor" isn't just term to be discussed in shallow terms as there are other forms these terms can also be discribed and example is with regards to state of mind as one can be rich in his state of mind and still be physically and financially poor hence we can say they are ready with all a required skills and preparations but still waiting on the right Opportunity to meet preparation.

In some cases people who are poor and relaxed in that state are people who make excuses for every failure they encounter and are scared of trying new things for the fear of failure meanwhile great successes lies behind those doors of fear as it is said that risk takers are most successful people. I have been with people who barely get food to eat and most time I tend to initiate some conversations and discuss while they choose to comfortably stay idle when they could barely get something to eat and I also found out that most of them just sit with believes that things will get better even without doing anything and most just wait for company jobs

[Jatiluhung]

Rich and poor minds will certainly distinguish behavior every day, people who think rich when they are still poor will think about developing the money they have, while rich people who think poor will act extravagantly until the money runs out and become poor.

agree with you. mindset is the difference in this matter. if people who are not rich but have a rich mindset then usually people like this can enjoy their lives well. they even tend to be wiser in managing their financial condition. no wonder that many rich people are born from among the poor. but they are able to change their standard of living armed with a mindset that is indeed wise or rich. although opportunities for the poor are always more difficult due to lack of connections and capital. but those with a rich mindset can always look for opportunities wisely. because new ideas always come to their mind. and they can always enjoy and be grateful for the life they live. So it's a matter of mindset.

[sayaya17]

Rich and poor minds will certainly distinguish behavior every day, people who think rich when they are still poor will think about developing the money they have, while rich people who think poor will act extravagantly until the money runs out and become poor.

agree with you. mindset is the difference in this matter. if people who are not rich but have a rich mindset then usually people like this can enjoy their lives well. they even tend to be wiser in managing their financial condition. no wonder that many rich people are born from among the poor. but they are able to change their standard of living armed with a mindset that is indeed wise or rich. although opportunities for the poor are always more difficult due to lack of connections and capital. but those with a rich mindset can always look for opportunities wisely. because new ideas always come to their mind. and they can always enjoy and be grateful for the life they live. So it's a matter of mindset.

It is true that there are quite a lot of rich people in the world, who previously came from poor families. But thanks to the right mindset and coupled
with hard work can change a person's life. So if right now we are poor, the first thing we have to change is our mindset, because if our mindset is
right in the end we can become rich. The mindset is very influential on a person's life, so if we have had a hard time getting rich for a long time,
maybe the problem is our mindset is wrong. Because of the mindset of rich people, they can always take advantage of whatever is around them as
an opportunity to make money. That's why I really like films that are based on true stories about the struggles of poor people who have the mindset of
rich people, which with all its limitations in life, but with the right mindset can turn a poor person into a rich person. I agree to be a successful and
rich person is just a matter of our mindset.

[DrBeer]

I will express a very simple thought - people are not divided into "poorly thinking" and "rich thinking".
There is :
- people who are satisfied with everything (poverty, average level, wealth in inheritance)
- people who want to live better. But these are divided into those who:
-- looking for ways and solutions to achieve the goal
-- looking for excuses why he is poor/unhappy/....

[Jemzx00]

I will express a very simple thought - people are not divided into "poorly thinking" and "rich thinking".
There is :
- people who are satisfied with everything (poverty, average level, wealth in inheritance)
- people who want to live better. But these are divided into those who:
-- looking for ways and solutions to achieve the goal
-- looking for excuses why he is poor/unhappy/....

I think these statements lack more information such as under "People who want to live better." there should be people who try their best to live better but lacks the resources and assistance to do so. There are people, especially in the low-class tier that would do anything and are the most hardworking people, but they lack the resources or assistance to be able to go up even at least middle class.

[DrBeer]

I will express a very simple thought - people are not divided into "poorly thinking" and "rich thinking".
There is :
- people who are satisfied with everything (poverty, average level, wealth in inheritance)
- people who want to live better. But these are divided into those who:
-- looking for ways and solutions to achieve the goal
-- looking for excuses why he is poor/unhappy/....

I think these statements lack more information such as under "People who want to live better." there should be people who try their best to live better but lacks the resources and assistance to do so. There are people, especially in the low-class tier that would do anything and are the most hardworking people, but they lack the resources or assistance to be able to go up even at least middle class.

Well, in general, this is also said "- people who want to live better. + -- looking for ways and solutions to achieve the goal"
Although I still agree!
It is foolish to deny that starting a "project to improve your life" with absolutely empty pockets, zero knowledge, without understanding how and what to do is more difficult than, for example, having at least knowledge! Of course, for such people, the path to a better life will be more difficult, more thorny. But this gives an advantage later - they value knowledge, diligence, perseverance, purposefulness much more highly, they have a higher level of "survival among their own kind." And what is important - they deserve a lot. At least they did not end their lives "at the bottom of the glass" or in a drug haze, hiding from difficulties

[EarnOnVictor]

I will express a very simple thought - people are not divided into "poorly thinking" and "rich thinking".
There is :
- people who are satisfied with everything (poverty, average level, wealth in inheritance)
- people who want to live better. But these are divided into those who:
-- looking for ways and solutions to achieve the goal
-- looking for excuses why he is poor/unhappy/....

I think these statements lack more information such as under "People who want to live better." there should be people who try their best to live better but lacks the resources and assistance to do so. There are people, especially in the low-class tier that would do anything and are the most hardworking people, but they lack the resources or assistance to be able to go up even at least middle class.

Well, in general, this is also said "- people who want to live better. + -- looking for ways and solutions to achieve the goal"
Although I still agree!
It is foolish to deny that starting a "project to improve your life" with absolutely empty pockets, zero knowledge, without understanding how and what to do is more difficult than, for example, having at least knowledge! Of course, for such people, the path to a better life will be more difficult, more thorny. But this gives an advantage later - they value knowledge, diligence, perseverance, purposefulness much more highly, they have a higher level of "survival among their own kind." And what is important - they deserve a lot. At least they did not end their lives "at the bottom of the glass" or in a drug haze, hiding from difficulties

The path the poor have to endure in this life is so harsh to the point that the rich might think otherwise if the tables turn against them. I like to face the reality as the privileges of the rich is the only reason why motivators would say they are better, whereas they only seem so because they have the resources under favourable environment.

I completely agree with the op. I hate this whole 'rich mindset, poor mindset' thing because it's extremely ignorant of the privileges that some people are just born into and very unfortunate circumstances that others have to deal with. To add a bit of nuanced view to the overall good points the op raised:
- of course, if you're born poor, it doesn't mean that you have a great active mindset, are eager to learn and the only thing stopping you is your unfortunate circumstances;
- if you're rich, it doesn't mean everything will be handed to you and the only thing stopping you is your mindset.
Nobody says that everyone is the same within a broad category of people or that everything is easy for someone. It's just that it's very important to take a moment to recognize that tons of things depend on the country, family, wealth you're being born into. It starts extremely early on and continues throughout your life (the preconditions plus sometimes some random fortunate or unfortunate events). And yes, there are inspiring stories of people that get out of terrible circumstances, beat the odds and become wealthy. But it's absolutely unfair to point at such cases and say that everyone has got a shot and that privileges aren't real. Life is very different for many people, and it's important to understand that equal amount of effort can lead to extremely different results because of the circumstances.
A very simple example from my life: I've seen kids in a village who are average and overall don't mind learning new things at school, but they are forced by their parents to look after their younger siblings as well as do things like grow vegetables and sell some stuff on the markets on the weekends when they are teenagers. It's really hard to follow through with learning when you are forced to do many other things which are time-consuming. Similarly, I taught at a fancy private school where kids were taught very well and where teachers always helped the kids to understand things, tried making it interesting to them, and where you could easily request a private lesson for a teacher to help you with your homework. So the same average kids (who are not very eager to learn but are generally okay with leaning new things and doing homework) of course didn't have to take care of their siblings (because there are expensive nannies for that) nor sell produce or grow veggies (because they live in a big city and their parents are very wealthy), and they also have very nice teachers sharing knowledge with them. Equal intellectual capabilities, eagerness to learn and effort would lead to one kid barely knowing anything and another learning quite a lot and then, most likely, go to a good uni because of both knowledge and ability of parents to pay for their education.

This is a very thoughtful response and explanation. It shows you see it just the way it truly is.

That money and privilege though can positively affect many things if it's used correctly. With money comes better education, better nutrition, better social life, connection, etc. I'm not saying the poor can't compete with the rich, but they are already in a disadvantageous position compared to the rich. Maybe these situations affect mindset, but mindset alone won't mean a damn thing in the real world. Success is a combination of many factors, including luck.

The more beneficial mindset for the poor is the realization of their disadvantageous position. Therefore, they must try to push their limit to be competitive: work more, study more, and win just like in the anime. But, I've seen enough poor people stop trying and only demand "equality" dragging rich people down, and destroying the economy.

Well said, and I tried my best to understand you fully. Yet, the subject matter is about generalizing our perception about who is better between the rich and the poor. While my point was borne from the fact that if the same conditions are metered to the two classes, the poor would thrive better than the rich in general. I have seen the poor beating the rich in quizzes and debates in schools, and even in the labour force, they are the epitome of the brain of companies despite the conditions they grew with. If the poor have more opportunities, they do better, not that they are not dullards, they are only disadvantaged. What annoys me is how people online make it look the other way round.

[DudeAtWork420]

I will express a very simple thought - people are not divided into "poorly thinking" and "rich thinking".
There is :
- people who are satisfied with everything (poverty, average level, wealth in inheritance)
- people who want to live better. But these are divided into those who:
-- looking for ways and solutions to achieve the goal
-- looking for excuses why he is poor/unhappy/....

I think these statements lack more information such as under "People who want to live better." there should be people who try their best to live better but lacks the resources and assistance to do so. There are people, especially in the low-class tier that would do anything and are the most hardworking people, but they lack the resources or assistance to be able to go up even at least middle class.

Well, in general, this is also said "- people who want to live better. + -- looking for ways and solutions to achieve the goal"
Although I still agree!
It is foolish to deny that starting a "project to improve your life" with absolutely empty pockets, zero knowledge, without understanding how and what to do is more difficult than, for example, having at least knowledge! Of course, for such people, the path to a better life will be more difficult, more thorny. But this gives an advantage later - they value knowledge, diligence, perseverance, purposefulness much more highly, they have a higher level of "survival among their own kind." And what is important - they deserve a lot. At least they did not end their lives "at the bottom of the glass" or in a drug haze, hiding from difficulties

The path the poor have to endure in this life is so harsh to the point that the rich might think otherwise if the tables turn against them. I like to face the reality as the privileges of the rich is the only reason why motivators would say they are better, whereas they only seem so because they have the resources under favourable environment.

Why the Richs are always in a favourable environment and the poor is not? It's all on their mindset. When poor people have extra money they save it in bank account for later use or they buy things that gives them pleasure. This mindset keeps poor remain poor for rest of their life. Born poor is not your fault but not using available resource to get rich is your fault.

[livingfree]

Why the Richs are always in a favourable environment and the poor is not? It's all on their mindset. When poor people have extra money they save it in bank account for later use or they buy things that gives them pleasure. This mindset keeps poor remain poor for rest of their life. Born poor is not your fault but not using available resource to get rich is your fault.

Many rich people now didn't go through with what their kids gone through. And what I'm saying is all about, they've been born with golden spoon while many of the rich parents, got through with hardship, hardwork and working smartly.

I agree that it's on their mindsets and they don't wanna get stuck being poor and that's why they've been wise with all of their decisions. And instead of complaining like many poor mindsets do, they're doing something out of hard situation and create solutions for it.

[Maidak]

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Why the Richs are always in a favourable environment and the poor is not? It's all on their mindset. When poor people have extra money they save it in bank account for later use or they buy things that gives them pleasure. This mindset keeps poor remain poor for rest of their life. Born poor is not your fault but not using available resource to get rich is your fault.

Rich or poor is really the mindset that determines everything, we don't blame why our parents are poor but other people's parents are rich, or the poor always have difficulties in life and the rich always have luck...all those thoughts killed a future rich person.

If you are lucky to be born into a rich family, but if you do not have the habit of working hard, just having fun, sooner or later you will become poor. And if you were born into a poor family but you never give up and always find a way to rise, you will be a rich person in the future. The line between the rich and the poor is mindset.

[uswa56]

Why the Richs are always in a favourable environment and the poor is not? It's all on their mindset. When poor people have extra money they save it in bank account for later use or they buy things that gives them pleasure. This mindset keeps poor remain poor for rest of their life. Born poor is not your fault but not using available resource to get rich is your fault.

Many rich people now didn't go through with what their kids gone through. And what I'm saying is all about, they've been born with golden spoon while many of the rich parents, got through with hardship, hardwork and working smartly.

I agree that it's on their mindsets and they don't wanna get stuck being poor and that's why they've been wise with all of their decisions. And instead of complaining like many poor mindsets do, they're doing something out of hard situation and create solutions for it.

and not only that, there are many other advantages that exist in children born to rich families, trust and also relationships from offspring which in my opinion are very important things for him to be able to move forward in the future.

about mindset and mental, of course, upbringing from childhood is very influential but that doesn't mean it's an absolute thing because not everyone will be like that and there are some who are able to change that mindset, and we have seen a lot of evidence around the world.
whatever it is, I think we can still change it as long as there is a qualified will and ability that we have instilled in ourselves.

[cozytrade]

If you are lucky to be born into a rich family, but if you do not have the habit of working hard, just having fun, sooner or later you will become poor. And if you were born into a poor family but you never give up and always find a way to rise, you will be a rich person in the future. The line between the rich and the poor is mindset.

If you are from a business family then most probably your parents will teach you all about economy and how it works. Rich people do that because they care for their hard earned wealth and they wants to make sure their children will be able to increase it with their given knowledge. Sometimes we saw things didn't go as planned but i mostly saw rich kids have more knowledge about economy than poor one. Its because rich dads live with it when poor dad didn't so they can not provide knowledge to their kids equally.

Poor kid also can develop that mindset if he is smart enough and understand his surroundings. What rich kid got inheritably poor kid needs to invest time to get that.