Hodlonaut Trial

[gmaxwell]

Fundamentally, I think the issue is just with how brazen these creeps have become.  They're not worried about losing a lawsuit here or there because they think (correctly?) they're immune. The people they're attacking don't have that comfort.

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[AnotherAlt]

Bitcointalk account satoshi is locked by theymos to prevent brute-force, so CSW need to prove theymos that he's real Satoshi. As for satoshin@gmx.com email, IIRC it was compromised on 2014.

That's interesting. I didn't know that information. So, What if satoshi ever wanted to come back? I know it's unlikely to happen. The chance is very, very low. But, I believe satoshi knows where to knock. I am wondering if there were some credentials or sensitive information about the email compromised. What if the hacker stole that information to misuse them? Well, I guess satoshi is more clever enough than most of us. So, it's implausible he will have such information in his email.
In the first place, I was confused by the term "CSW". I believe most people outside this forum don't know what CSW is. Even I googled "What is the full form of CSW?". Mr. Google said it's the "Commission on the Status of Women (CSW)." While Wikipedia shows it's a Clinical social worker. Even though it sounds silly and funny, I would still encourage people to Write Craig Steven Wright because we are talking about a Fraustar here. If people from outside the forum read this thread, they are unlikely to understand what we are talking about. I am saying this because it's happened to me as well.

[franky1]

though he is a fraudster.. we should not give him more name recognitions and publicity

we should be letting his full name not hit news paper headlines.

we should however get people to learn how to do basic research and due diligence

then as 'anotheralt' just learned in 30 seconds, figures out that a certain person is a fraud

however spamming his full name everywhere doesnt help the fight against him. its actually publicises him, which is something he wants.. he wants to be known as a scam king, the guy that can steal and fake collateral and not be criminally punished. because thats HIS recruitment advert of grabbing onto more greedy idiots into his game

if we teach people to do research, due diligence and not trust strangers, or people due to just name recognition.. it helps people out more in the long term than just faming up one guy that wants fame

its the old saying .. "give a man a phish or teach a man to watch out for and catch a phish"

[gmaxwell]

With all due respect Franky,  "he just wants attention, don't mention him" is exactly how we ended up in the situation we're in today.  It's also just not true: he flies into a blind rage about anyone speaking negatively of him-- he absolutely can't tolerate it, he has screamed at people in interviews, he even threw a book in court once.  It's part of the reason that he keeps making the same mistakes even after the public has caught on and called them out: he can't stand reading people criticizing him so he doesn't always know which lies have been blown apart.  He usually only sees what bitcoiners are saying about him once the comments have been filtered through his supporters and neutralized.

He does like coverage that treats his claims seriously-- as in that they're merely disputed rather than thoroughly disproved but that isn't what anyone here is doing. It is, however, what the media does reflexively.

Edit (to avoid a double-post):  LOL  Mr. Wright's "evidence" is out: https://www.reddit.com/r/bsv/comments/xp5qy9/fresh_from_oslo_craig_wrights_submitted_evidence/

The binary is so awesomely fake.  In particular, I love seeing that when he made strings shorter because the offsets needed to be preserved he space padded them... either because he didn't know better or because his hatred of me prevented him from using the much more plausible null character instead of spaces.

[franky1]

With all due respect Franky,  "he just wants attention, don't mention him" is exactly how we ended up in the situation we're in today.  It's also just not true:

its not about give up debunking him..
its not about not fighting his games

its about playing smarter

if we dont mention[full name]its hard for him to say his [full name] is being defamed

if we call a random 3letter moniker 'CSW' a fraud, scammer, idiot.. its then becomes his fault of then wanting to associate himself with this known scammer of 3 letters we talk about

yes anyone in 30 seconds can search and find the linkage.

but for [fullname] to do it. also means he then has to explain the context and the lengths of debunks we provide against CSW tactics. which he has to explain proves the linkage

thus he cant/ wont try to sue people as easily

..
there are many many ways we can debunk him. and promote the debunks without promoting him and without falling into his SLAPP trap

its about doing things smarter.. out-game his game

[NeuroticFish]

its not about give up debunking him..
[...]
its about doing things smarter.. out-game his game

I think that we may need both.
We need to play smarter so no new people come under his attention, or worse, gets silenced.
And we need to debunk him - in court! - in a way he will never ever get taken serious by any court in the world. And maybe even punished for his forgeries and for wasting people's time and money (plus health, since I agree with Greg, war is hell).

[btcduster]

Besides signing a message from the genesis block address or signing a message with satoshi's PGP is there any other way to prove that CSW is Satoshi?

Can theymos provide evidence from e.g. Satoshi's private messages that CSW is lying or you think it will involve the forum in unnecessary problems of a legal nature?

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Edit (to avoid a double-post):  LOL  Mr. Wright's "evidence" is out: https://www.reddit.com/r/bsv/comments/xp5qy9/fresh_from_oslo_craig_wrights_submitted_evidence/

This is amazing to see for ourselves. Thanks for sharing.

The binary changes are absolutely hilarious. The space padding, the removal of %d, the original genesis hash with a headline which hadn't been published in 2008, the checksum, and so on. So amateurish and beyond any doubt whatsoever that this is all forgery. Any idea where the edited IP address is from?

Been flipping through all the other submitted evidence in that archive. "Bilag 20" is his printed off whitepaper with coffee stains and staples, with equations which make no sense and contain characters and fonts which didn't exist at the time. "Bliag 24" is his submitted main.cpp which is taken from a post on this forum and cuts off at the same character limit, meaning it is missing half the code. Of course CSW didn't even notice. Again, hilarious to see for yourself.

[Wind_FURY]

Fundamentally, I think the issue is just with how brazen these creeps have become.  They're not worried about losing a lawsuit here or there because they think (correctly?) they're immune. The people they're attacking don't have that comfort.

Tin-foil hats on. I believe they're funded by a powerful entity, or a group, probably could even be the CIA or some other intelligence organization who can operate in the shadows.

Where does Craig Wright get his funding for NChain? How can Craig Wright escape the Australian government regarding his tax evasions?  Plus didn't Calvin Ayre work with people from the U.S. goverment, allegedly doing dirty jobs before?

[DooMAD]

With all due respect Franky,  "he just wants attention, don't mention him" is exactly how we ended up in the situation we're in today.  It's also just not true:

its not about give up debunking him..
its not about not fighting his games

its about playing smarter

I don't think we're going to be taking any lessons from you on that front, given how your little one-man-war against parts of the Bitcoin community is going.  Remind me again how many people you've managed to bring over to your side on that one?  Pretty sure it's zero.  Your track record clearly demonstrates you haven't unlocked the recipe for success.  

That "relentless, yet impotent" routine you put on, along with your tired repetition of sad conspiracy theories just isn't going to cut it on this one, I'm afraid.  You keep saying we're the experts when it comes to the REKT campaigns, so why don't you stand by your own words for a change and leave the strategy to us, okay?  

The day we take advice from you about "playing smarter" is the day we hand victory to Wright on a platter.   

[gmaxwell]

Tin-foil hats on. I believe they're funded by a powerful entity, or a group, probably could even be the CIA or some other intelligence organization who can operate in the shadows.

Intelligence agencies have been known to recruit people like Wright, the loose cannon grandiose narcissist pathological liar fantasist free agent type -- they're totally deniable as kooks and cons if things go wrong and they are easily controlled via copious dirt and their propensity for a 'fast' lifestyle.  But if it's true for Mr. Wright, we'll never know so I think it's not very useful to speculate about other than this:  Because it *could* be a state actor, we ought to fight it with all the vigor we'd fight an attack by a state actor.

Where does Craig Wright get his funding

Ayre. This isn't speculation, e.g. https://www.cswarchive.info/sites/default/files/2021-08/2020_04_22%20Filing%20-%20Amended%20Reply.pdf  page 4 paragraph 4b. "it is admitted that the Claimant is being funded by a third party in these proceedings, namely Calvin Ayre. The Claimant has taken out a Bitcoin SV denominated commercial loan against the Claimant's and the Tulip Trust's Bitcoin and Bitcoin SV holdings, that will be be paid back to Mr Ayre."

There should be plenty of details on nchain elsewhere in the evidence too.

There may be others, I could speculate but I'd rather just give the one I'm absolutely sure of.

How can Craig Wright escape the Australian government regarding his tax evasions?

Well he got money from his bamboozled sponsors to pay back AU which probably moved him to a lower priority.  If you look at news announcements for similar convictions you'll see that it took them a decade to prosecute other similar tax frauds, so Mr. Wright may just be waiting his turn.

allegedly doing dirty jobs before?

Ayre had a bit of his own fantasist blogging about being a secret agent or something.  Likely bullshit similar to Wright's "I was offline for much of January 2011. During the time, I had travelled to Venezuela where I was working with a “Jawbreaker” team. The work was focused on stopping the trafficking of humans for the sex trade. I was in “prevention.” I did not bring people to justice, I worked with teams to stop things, permanently.".  I wouldn't put much weight into it.

As Franky1 says-- we should work smarter, and that much I agree. On that mark: The varrious more speculative theories might be true or not, but I think they're of no use in dealing with the situation unless we stumbled into some evidence that actually proves one of them-- and then it wouldn't be a speculative theory anymore.

In any case, what I really came here to post was:

Mr. Wright's "revolutionary" "2007 Bitcoin Whitepaper" << click the link
(transcribed from the handwritten version in the Hodl trial evidence)

You may have seen the first page/paragraph when it was transcribed on reddit after being shown on screen in court.  Now experience the entire uncut masterpiece in quadraphonic legible text!  Flex your faketoshi history by determining a likely true authorship date of the document based on Mr. Wrights inability to resist adding anachronistic grandstanding in support of whatever pathetic argument he was presently engaged. Marvel at how anyone could be convinced by any of this. Laugh, cry, and most of all blush with embarrassment on his behalf because, unlike Mr. Wright, your mental model of other people is more expansive than just coming up with ways of ripping them off.

(Or, if you're a true masochist Wright debunker, check out the original 78 page illegible version here or as part of the full archive.  The original also contains the *forbidden names of bitcoin* b-side content, not included in the top-post's translation into legiblease).


Don't just take my word for it, here's what the audience says:

* "Astounding, One cuil short of timecube!"
* "It should be written on the outside of a van that an unmedicated schizophrenic lives in, not submitted as evidence to a court of law"
* "Meh. Continuity errors, incorporated the cryddit 2013 timeline in the prior chapter but didn't bother including its parameters in this latest installment"

[Detritus]

When this nightmare is finally over and CSW has lost the case to Hodlonaut, I will gladly rejoice for glory.

The ruling of the case is estimated to be around November 8th, 2022 and both parties will be notified before it is announced.

as I read through the 7 days trial, CSW has no true evidence to prove himself wordy of Satoshi.

When questioned about whether he intentionally destroyed the hard drive by Hodlonaut’s attorney, Ørjan Haukaas, Wright said “I didn’t want to encourage the arguments that you need keys.” He added “yes, you could say this is a risk, but I think it’s the most important thing I’ve done in my life.”

Wright informed the court that a minor issue like not possessing Satoshi’s keys would not prevent him from getting Satoshi's coins.

I wonder what CSW really meant by his response to that question,  if it will not prevent him from getting Satoshi coins, then court should prompt him to get back the 1.1 million Bitcoin he claim to hold.

A tweet from Wright was also included where he stated “to HODL is a scam.” The lawyer suggested this statement is quite an assertion from the presumable holder of over one million Bitcoin.

I just wonder how dump it is to call him self Satoshi after he said to "HODL" is SCAM, then he claim to have 1.1 million Bitcoin.
 Hoping to see how this whole stuff end so shamefully for him.
#WeAreHODLONAUT

[gmaxwell]

I wonder what CSW really meant by his response to that question,  if it will not prevent him from getting Satoshi coins, then

Faketoshis' fraud has had several phases.

• Phase 1. R&D refundable credit and GST refund tax fraud.
• Phase 2. Spanish prisoner / Nigeran prince con: I am the deposed creator of Bitcoin and need money to pay back tax officials but will pay you with my bitcoin fortune later.
• Phase 3a. Blockchain impersonation:  Convince funders that bitcoin knockoff BSV will replace Bitcoin in the eyes of the public, sell 'em a pig in a poke.
• Phase 3b. Big con: Convince his billionayre funder(s) that with their support Mr. Wright convince the courts to order bitcoin developers to magically grant them >$21 billion dollars worth of Bitcoin, and has convinced his marks that this is even possible.  (and that they can intimidate and harass into the dirt anyone that stands in their way.)

Hodlonaut's trial is mostly a holdover from 3a.  His his two lawsuits against former/current Bitcoin developers are soundly 3b.  His recent exchange lawsuits might be in between 3a and 3b-- AFAIK no one has seen the claims yet. Phase 1/2 seem to be complete and he's mostly now claiming that documents he used in 1/2 are forgeries planted by hackers (even when they're recent scans of supposedly old paper documents, covered in his handwriting).

The statement you're referring to from the trial was an effort at a self-serving remark in the furtherance of the 3b scheme.  Note that 3b doesn't require Wright himself to think jacking Satoshi's coins is possible, nor does it require his funders to think he's Satoshi. The mark thinks he's going to spend a few tens of millions and get a few tens of billions. All the litigation targets are just collateral damage, but it helps Mr. Wright that they're 'enemies' that have stood in his way by refusing to go along or be silent about his fraudulent claims.  Mr. Wright's goal would just be to keep the litigation going forever while his mark foots the bill -- from the very beginning Mr. Wright's has probably just been one desperate forced move after another to keep the whole thing from crashing down around him, it's unclear what kind of consequences he may face if it fails given that he's taken money from some apparently unscrupulous people.

[ABCbits]

Bitcointalk account satoshi is locked by theymos to prevent brute-force, so CSW need to prove theymos that he's real Satoshi. As for satoshin@gmx.com email, IIRC it was compromised on 2014.

That's interesting. I didn't know that information. So, What if satoshi ever wanted to come back? I know it's unlikely to happen. The chance is very, very low. But, I believe satoshi knows where to knock. I am wondering if there were some credentials or sensitive information about the email compromised. What if the hacker stole that information to misuse them? Well, I guess satoshi is more clever enough than most of us. So, it's implausible he will have such information in his email.

If satoshi wants to come back under his old identity, AFAIK he needs to contact theymos securely and give sufficient proof. As for compromised email, 99bitcoin made good summary about it[1].

Edit (to avoid a double-post):  LOL  Mr. Wright's "evidence" is out: https://www.reddit.com/r/bsv/comments/xp5qy9/fresh_from_oslo_craig_wrights_submitted_evidence/

Aside from the binary, all he did is using "Find and Replace" feature on plain text files. But does anyone know whether Bitcoin address 12STD5BhabrNpx56pWuC6wctxz3Qf2gdD7 has ever mentioned on public discussion before? At very least, it never mentioned on this forum[2].

[1] https://99bitcoins.com/satoshi-nakamoto-hacked-waste-of-time/.
[2] https://ninjastic.space/address/12STD5BhabrNpx56pWuC6wctxz3Qf2gdD7

[o_e_l_e_o]

But does anyone know whether Bitcoin address 12STD5BhabrNpx56pWuC6wctxz3Qf2gdD7 has ever mentioned on public discussion before? At very least, it never mentioned on this forum[2].

Not as far as I can tell. It has received and then sent out ~293.6 BTC a few minutes apart back in 2017. I think it's reasonable to assume its an address owned by CSW, which he was hoping he would later be able to sign from to "prove" he is Satoshi.

Note that this address comes from the following public key:

Code:

0347b872d0eff3c69523f6eebfc95b8144e6d115cee1b834ec36c576549bdbfa0f

This is obviously a compressed public key, which were not implemented until version 0.6.0 of Bitcoin-Qt, released in March 2012.

[Lucius]

Fundamentally, I think the issue is just with how brazen these creeps have become.  They're not worried about losing a lawsuit here or there because they think (correctly?) they're immune. The people they're attacking don't have that comfort.

The main sponsor says "I'm a bit busy", and now it's clear what exactly he's busy with - it seems that his job is much more enjoyable than presenting false evidence in court. Maybe at some point Faketoshi will wish he had grabbed what he had and enjoyed in life, but maybe he is just enjoying his obsession with being someone he could never be.

[dkbit98]

Intelligence agencies have been known to recruit people like Wright, the loose cannon grandiose narcissist pathological liar fantasist free agent type -- they're totally deniable as kooks and cons if things go wrong and they are easily controlled via copious dirt and their propensity for a 'fast' lifestyle.  But if it's true for Mr. Wright, we'll never know so I think it's not very useful to speculate about other than this:  Because it *could* be a state actor, we ought to fight it with all the vigor we'd fight an attack by a state actor.

Let me give you just one hint.
One government agency is known for ''talking'' with Gavin Andresen, and shortly after this happened Satoshi was gone and we can only speculate what really happened there.
But what we know for sure is that Gavin Andresen later claimed that he thinks Craig Wright is the real Satoshi, even if he never signed a message as a proof.
Gavin never clearly came out and said he was wrong, and almost infinite amount of money CSW team has is certainly rising suspicion.

[gmaxwell]

Let me give you just one hint.
One government agency is known for ''talking'' with Gavin Andresen, and shortly after this happened Satoshi was gone and we can only speculate what really happened there.
But what we know for sure is that Gavin Andresen later claimed that he thinks that Craig is the real Satoshi, even if he never signed a message as a proof.
Gavin never clearly came out and said he was wrong, and almost infinite amount of money CSW team has is certainly rising suspicion.

Occam's razor says that the infinite money just comes from a kinda crooked former gambling kingpin-- they've spent a TON, but not out of proportion with what Calvin needs to be spending in order to spend all the money he claims to have.

And for Andresen there are plenty of simpler and less conspiratorial explanations-- including that it's well established that many victims of cons have a difficulty time accepting they've been had because its such an ego hit,  that the whole situation is so painful to him that he refuses to look at new evidence and so hasn't even seen what a joke Mr. Wright has made of himself since, that he now hates Bitcoin and the people involved and is happy of the harm being caused to all of us, that he's afraid of being dragged into ruinously expensive litigation with Mr. Wright himself and unlikely to get much public support given his role in creating the problem, and/or that he's financially motivated in the success of Bitcoin's competition over Bitcoin.  Any one of these would explain his continued failure to forcefully retract his prior endorsement and every one of them is simpler than him working on behalf of the CIA.

I think it's reasonable to assume its an address owned by CSW, which he was hoping he would later be able to sign from to "prove" he is Satoshi.

Note that this address comes from the following public key:

Code:

0347b872d0eff3c69523f6eebfc95b8144e6d115cee1b834ec36c576549bdbfa0f

This is obviously a compressed public key, which were not implemented until version 0.6.0 of Bitcoin-Qt, released in March 2012.

I think if we look carefully we'll find that it's an electrum wallet and that its traffic is consistent with payments he was made for 'coming out' as satoshi, we may be able to link it with his nchain salary payments on BSV and maybe the bucketshop trading he was doing under his wife's name.  Presumably someone around here has access to some of the commercial blockchain surveillance stuff.

[franky1]

And for Andresen there are plenty of simpler and less conspiratorial explanations-- including that it's well established that many victims of cons have a difficulty time accepting they've been had because its such an ego hit,  

gavin and many others all signed an NDA with a payday value included for the event involvement. im guessing breaching the NDA or coming clean came with a consequence/punishment clause

Let me give you just one hint.
One government agency is known for ''talking'' with Gavin Andresen, and shortly after this happened Satoshi was gone and we can only speculate what really happened there.
But what we know for sure is that Gavin Andresen later claimed that he thinks Craig Wright is the real Satoshi, even if he never signed a message as a proof.
Gavin never clearly came out and said he was wrong, and almost infinite amount of money CSW team has is certainly rising suspicion.

checking some notes of stuff i found over the years.. gavin didnt "talk" with... in a suggestive secret meeting. he done a public speaking engagement/presentation with government employees attending in the audience
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6652.msg251755#msg251755

yes satoshi heard about the CIA presentation invitation in april and it may have been one of his triggers to disappear and never come back. but other influences for the exit was that too many people treated satoshi like a central point decision maker. and also the wikileaks things. i feel satoshi disappeared for good for multiple reasons as he thought that bitcoin could and should continue without a central decision figure(point of failure)
as for thinking satoshi left due to hating what gavin done.. i doubt that because satoshi changed the privileges of the repo to put gavin in the lead maintainer spot when satoshi left, so it would be strange to give it over to a person you find as a attack vector (IE the reason you left)
so i think satoshi left for mostly other reasons

as for the gavin CSW fake proof drama..
gavin years prior said he was going to step away and retire within a few years (which aligned with the period he actually did start to back off from coding and maintaining btc). and so i feel he was just looking for a pay day to retire on in those last few years of 2015-17..
the same game as them unemployed family physicians that get paid to go on convention speaking tours where conspiracy nuts buy tickets.. stand on stage and say how covid was some alien robot programmed to kill. or the other conspiracy stories conspiracy nuts are willing to have repeated out loud by people that had a high reputation/accreditation earlier in life..
we all know gavin signed an NDA for CSW and got paid to turn up. so

basically he signed a contract to agree to  (my opinion->) say whatever CSW told him to say. or face having to repay the money if he breached the contract. hence no instant u-turn when faced with the debunk info

same money grab opportunity goes for his later attempts with BLOQ doing the alternate client releases that caused drama. (yep DCG owned bloq in 2016, before the whole gavin/jgarzik 2017 client variant)

so overall gavin was just money grabbing any money he could from any sources no matter the reactions those actions could cause to the community as a whole after performing the paid acts

EG in the 2015-16 REKT era gavin was speaking to companies like coinbase, xapo, bitpay(all DCG) about alternative scaling options via a bitcoin client that would upgrade the BTC network in a different direction than the core roadmap plan for BTC..in 2015-16
here he is talking at a coinbase(alsoDCG) about the scaling discussions he had with the big businesses
https://youtu.be/KUAXULUUBxA?t=283 which lead to the rekt capaigns

then we have the bloq(also DCG) varient in 2017

and the paid onstage speaking event at 2016 coindesks(also DCG) coinsensus conference where he again said he beleived CSW story
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2016/05/02/blockchain-tech-leaders-debate-satoshi-mystery-and-scaling-at-consensus-2016/

it seems that gavin was highly paid by CSW and DCG rather than some thoughts of a CIA payday and government force..
of course you could run down a rabbit whole thinking DCG is "government" or CSW is government..  but i think its just capitalism and monopolisation by big business and scammers with deep pockets filled by scammer partners, paying greedy people to cause some discourse/drama.. not government

my view of gavin is he gave up caring about coding bitcoin in 2014 and just wanted to go on a last ditch money grab from as many sources as possible in 2015-16 to retire on and not really think/care about the consequences of his reputation/words he got paid to do/say

[o_e_l_e_o]

gavin and many others all signed an NDA with a payday value included for the event involvement.

If you're interested, you can actually see the NDA that Andresen signed. It's part of the archive that Greg linked to earlier: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413844.msg61016128#msg61016128. The file is "Bilag 13" in the "attachments" folder.

There is an identical NDA for Jon Matonis under "Bilag 12", and a similar one for GQ Magazine under "Bilag 14".