Is this statiscally possible in a lottery?

[xSkylarx]

Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?



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[Jating]

I'm not a statistic guy, but I will say that it is possible what not sure what are the odds are.

Also, isn't it this kind of lottery results are being shown in the public as it has been draw with the representative of DTI? (I will assumed this is Philippines as it shows PHP). So they have to collude with the government and win this numbers?

As Tesla believed though, the numbers 3/6/9 is the "secret of the universe".

[Darker45]

I can't say whether this lottery or at least this particular draw is rigged or not although there have already been many talks about it. But I guess the pattern of the winning numbers is simply a coincidence. If this is indeed rigged, those who chose the winning combination should have picked random numbers. Picking a winning combination such as this would only ignite suspicion. If players doubt, they might not play anymore. That means a loss in revenue.

Another surprising thing about this is that there are 433 winners of the jackpot. Normally, there's only 1 or 2 of them. Sometimes none at all.

[nullama]

Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?



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Of course it's statistically possible. It has the same probability as any other 6 numbers.

Even if you see the result "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6", that would still be fine. It has the same chances as any other random result.

The thing is that in some people's mind they put together all the "nice" results like the one you posted and the one I shared against any "random" result, like "23, 11, 46, 1, 5, 31", but they all have the same probability to appear.

[robelneo]

Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?



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Yes, I'm aware of that since I'm also betting in a lottery and that was in our country, I did not doubt the result, although I have not seen the live broadcast with so many people betting and how cheap the tickets are, we all know that this is the number one gambling events of the Filipinos whenever the stakes are very high, the lottery is already exist for many years already I don't think they will allow rigging, its the government cash cow and its good if we have many winners, not just one, I think this is the first time it happens but I will not rule out that it will not happen in the future.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I can't say whether this lottery or at least this particular draw is rigged or not although there have already been many talks about it. But I guess the pattern of the winning numbers is simply a coincidence. If this is indeed rigged, those who chose the winning combination should have picked random numbers. Picking a winning combination such as this would only ignite suspicion. If players doubt, they might not play anymore. That means a loss in revenue.

Of course it's statistically possible. It has the same probability as any other 6 numbers.

Even if you see the result "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6", that would still be fine. It has the same chances as any other random result.

With the number of lotteries in the world and nowadays with online lotteries, it is normal that from time to time some striking results appear, and those who wonder if the game is rigged because they see results like that, I think they don't know much about mathematics.

In fact, people who know a lot about mathematics don't tend to play the lottery very much, if at all.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?



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-  In several decades of running the lottery, this kind of result has only happened now, although they do it live so as not to think that they are cheating. The lottery may or may not be manipulated. Because if there is a population of 100M in a country and let's assume that 40M people there bet on the lottery and the price of each lottery is 20 each, that means there is a collection of 800M and subtract the winning price, meaning the rest goes to charity, no we just know if everything goes to charity.

In other words, the chances are high that this is rigged or the result is fixed immediately and the chances are low that it is not manipulated.

[Wexnident]

It should be...? It being divisible by 9 doesn't really negate the fact that it was randomly chosen from a string of numbers. The chances would've been the same as any other combination, it's not like the chances for getting the 2nd number adjusts based on the 1st number you chose, they're all the same for each pick. Honestly, if it was rigged, they would've 100% avoided coincidences like these, since as you've shown yourself, can be rather suspicious.

It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result.

I think some sleight of hand and camera angles/movement would be enough to rig it? I reckon there'd be some way through those tricks. Not saying that they indeed do it though.

[acroman08]

it's funny how they can accept the fact of winning the lottery is almost impossible to win but cannot fathom the idea that there is a possibility that the numbers drawn on the lottery can be multiplied by 9.

I did a quick search and found this(quote below). the one I quoted below might not be the same as the one we are discussing but the fact that the same number was drawn just days apart is incredibly rare(not even sure if "rare" is the right word to use).

History Repeats Itself

The Bulgarian lottery hit the headlines in 2009 when the numbers 4, 15, 23, 24, 35 and 42 were selected on 10th September. That might not sound too unusual, but the exact same numbers had also come up in the previous draw four days earlier. Nobody won on 6th September, but a record 18 participants landed the top prize second time around, and selecting the same numbers that have just come up is thought to be a popular strategy for many players. The chances of such an event happening in the Bulgarian lottery were calculated at one in four million.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

it's funny how they can accept the fact of winning the lottery is almost impossible to win but cannot fathom the idea that there is a possibility that the numbers drawn on the lottery can be multiplied by 9.

I did a quick search and found this(quote below). the one I quoted below might not be the same as the one we are discussing but the fact that the same number was drawn just days apart is incredibly rare(not even sure if "rare" is the right word to use).

History Repeats Itself

The Bulgarian lottery hit the headlines in 2009 when the numbers 4, 15, 23, 24, 35 and 42 were selected on 10th September. That might not sound too unusual, but the exact same numbers had also come up in the previous draw four days earlier. Nobody won on 6th September, but a record 18 participants landed the top prize second time around, and selecting the same numbers that have just come up is thought to be a popular strategy for many players. The chances of such an event happening in the Bulgarian lottery were calculated at one in four million.

Statistically very unlikely, I think that would be more accurate, but people tend to think that what is very unlikely to happen is impossible, and that is a mistake.

Very curious what happened in the Bulgarian lottery. I'm sure that the fact that the same combination came up in two close draws made many people think that the lottery was rigged, even more than in the case told by the OP.

[coin-investor]

If you check the second prize in any lottery and you'll find that there are always many winners it just happens that many hit the jackpot the Philippine lottery has been live for over thirty years they don't need to rig the game because it is shown live and there are people they randomly pick to become their observant unless someone inside the lottery system exposes an anomaly but the number is possible, I remember there's always a long line whenever there's a big amount at stakes, in a lottery anything is possible and besides this is the first time it happens.

[Hispo]

Yes, I think it is statistically possible. It sounds reasonable enough this would happen at least once in the entire life of the lottery.
In my opinion is not crazy enough to completely suspect of a rigged process, it would be more blatant if all the five numbers were consecutive, something like: 10, 11, 12, 13...

Besides, if the draw was performed on live then the only possible explanation it would be a rigged machine or equipment, but even if they wanted to rig the result, they would have chosen a seemly random result instead only number divisible by nine. Anyways, if the authorities could perform an audit, just in case, it would be ideal.

Just my thoughts. 

[STT]

I dont think it means its rigged but I do wonder how the results are determined.   A computer derived result may turn out more aligned results then a truely random real world event driven number determination.   Computers cannot generate true random numbers last I read, they have to check on some real process  in order to get the external data.  Of course random can be simulated and it could be a great simulation but when its a lottery result its best avoided I think.

[davis196]

If the lottery was truly rigged, there would have been handful of jackpot winners(or maybe only one jackpot winner).
433 jackpot winners is a lot for a rigged lottery. It doesn't make any sense for someone to manipulate the lottery numbers for so many people to win relatively small portions of the jackpot. This is a really weird coincidence, but such coincidences happen once in a while.
How many times have you seen such thing to happen? If the answers is "several times" then the lottery might be rigged(but it still doesn't make any sense).

[UmerIdrees]

There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?

I don't think that lotteries are fair and it is very easy to manipulate the online lottery and get the results according to the gambling houses wishes.

Lotteries are the easiest scam which is done in the modern world, whereby you give a lot of greed that by spending little amount of bucks, you will become a millionaire if you're the winner and at the backend, the winners are the gambling houses members and they are pre-decided hence those houses get a lot of money in the name of lottery from innocent people.

I don't say that all lotteries do this, but more than 90% of the lotteries are just scams.

[Daltonik]

Yes, indeed, with the presence of 433 jackpot winners, it does not look like a falsification, a simple coincidence, as it seems to me, you can just as well find this or that dependence in almost any lottery draw, but the theory itself is certainly worthy of attention and occupies the minds of many people.

[Mauser]

Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?

These numbers don't look so special too me. What is the issue with numbers that are divisible by nine or by three? If they are drawing their number live than I wouldn't expect a rigged lottery. Of course there could be a system in place that brings out only the desired numbers, but there should be some checks to prevent it. With lotteries there are usually millions involved and the security should be higher to prevent any scam. I am not sure why certain numbers should be an indication for a scam. If the system is rigged, can't they choose whatever numbers they want? It would be more obvious if the same person wins the lottery multiple times in a row. Or if the lottery winners all come out of the same family or small town. If you really feel like the system is rigged, maybe take a break from the lottery and save your money instead?

[Kakmakr]

Yes, statistically ...every combination is possible... but highly unlikely and controversial when you see it drop like that.    I hate any kind of Lottery, because there are so many ways to rig the outcome... Example : weighted balls / pre-recorded video footage etc...etc.

I have seen on television where they used a nice looking women to do the draw.... she had a red dress on before the draw and while the draw was happening, she wore a green dress.     Another time..... a rolling banner at the bottom, showed the winning numbers ...before the draw ended. 

I do not know of any provable "fair" draw system, that cannot be manipulated in any way. 

[nullama]

~snip~
I do not know of any provable "fair" draw system, that cannot be manipulated in any way. 

Bitcoin solo mining can be seen as a provable fair draw system in a way.

[swogerino]

Everything is possible statistically.However I need to know if the lotto is made by computer or like in my country where they blow a lot of air to 90 circles which are also the numbers and we have 15 out of 90 here,they are determined randomly for real as everybody is watching them live on TV and there is no real way of cheating beside that they don't need to,they get a lot more money than the "Bingo prize" is called here.

If the lotto is not seen live I have always doubt that it may be rigged.We have another one called 6 from 42 and I don't believe it that much as the numbers are randomly selected by a computer (I don't know the mechanics as the prizes are low here) but I am a firm believer of the first national lottery where I see everything live.