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October 14, 2022, 10:32:01 PM
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I am always concerned about Anonymity in any casino I visit, although there might be warning stating "don't worry, your private information will not be shared with any third party". I prefer full anonymity when gambling.
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October 14, 2022, 10:43:50 PM
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Not  much in my case, as I have little to hide, however I do respect people who play larger sums and have "that type of money" and look for a degree of privacy. I guess that it has always existed in the "real" world and on-line gambling has just made it easier. Anonymity in general is a nice to have, but it may not be the key to choose a platform for most of the people.
I believe bigger players already submitted their KYC to the platform so they can be more safe but of course they will not tell it to the public because of that security issue. Same with me, I don’t have much to hide but because of belief of the society that gambling is bad, I also decided to stay anonymous since I know KYC are secured with the site but to the people around you, for sure they will spread it once they know that you are into gambling.
Having lots of money is something a person doesnt really get easily scared on something of something as long they arent involving on illegal things then they wouldnt really care if they would submit

those identification or personal details.Yes, we do really value our anonymity but there are instances which it cant really be avoided since majority of platforms today are regulated or licensed

which means that on whatever terms and regulations been applied t hen it would be simply be passed up into its users and they would really be strictly following it.

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October 14, 2022, 10:47:24 PM
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Hey guys.
Choosing crypto in casinos has always also to do with more anonimous gambling.
Anyway I'm curious how important is anonimity to you when you pay & play?

Not that important since I already filled out many KYC forms and fortunately I'm still safe from any hack or scam.
I'm enjoying playing with the best gambling site though it requires a level 1 KYC but that's ok, as long as my money is safe which is my top concern. KYC might be one of the requirements later on, we can't skip that strong regulations as the government agencies tries to regulate casinos strictly.

In my case, it is too late for me to worry.  I am from the Philippines and the voter database had been leaked already[1], so possibly all the voters' information in my country had been sold to different entities.  So it doesn't matter anymore if the site I am registered with will have a data leak, but of course it is always good for the gambling platform to ensure the safety of its clients/customers' data.

I don't feel like protecting your personal life in the Internet is "hiding". There are things I'd be willing to show, like my face, or my ID, but not as a detailed scan, rather a video conference or with all the details besides my name hidden. What I wouldn't show is my address. I don't want to share such things with someone that I don't know and don't trust, even people who I send my money to.

It's the same relation that you have with someone in a store or a restaurant. You pay them and if needed can flash your ID, but you don't tell them where you live and don't hand them your ID so they can make a copy.


Legal Casinos will protect the data that you are protecting.  KYC is implemented to follow government regulations, so somehow we know this kind of data gathering by a legit company is protected by the data privacy law.  

Legal Casino will never reveal its player information to anyone unless asked by the court.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Elections_data_breach
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October 15, 2022, 01:16:45 AM
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Hey guys.
Choosing crypto in casinos has always also to do with more anonimous gambling.
Anyway I'm curious how important is anonimity to you when you pay & play?

Not that important since I already filled out many KYC forms and fortunately I'm still safe from any hack or scam.
I'm enjoying playing with the best gambling site though it requires a level 1 KYC but that's ok, as long as my money is safe which is my top concern. KYC might be one of the requirements later on, we can't skip that strong regulations as the government agencies tries to regulate casinos strictly.

In my case, it is too late for me to worry.  I am from the Philippines and the voter database had been leaked already[1], so possibly all the voters' information in my country had been sold to different entities.  So it doesn't matter anymore if the site I am registered with will have a data leak, but of course it is always good for the gambling platform to ensure the safety of its clients/customers' data.

I don't feel like protecting your personal life in the Internet is "hiding". There are things I'd be willing to show, like my face, or my ID, but not as a detailed scan, rather a video conference or with all the details besides my name hidden. What I wouldn't show is my address. I don't want to share such things with someone that I don't know and don't trust, even people who I send my money to.

It's the same relation that you have with someone in a store or a restaurant. You pay them and if needed can flash your ID, but you don't tell them where you live and don't hand them your ID so they can make a copy.


Legal Casinos will protect the data that you are protecting.  KYC is implemented to follow government regulations, so somehow we know this kind of data gathering by a legit company is protected by the data privacy law.  

Legal Casino will never reveal its player information to anyone unless asked by the court.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Elections_data_breach
Also posted here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381143.140

Almost every casino here has a gaming license in Curacao or data processing license in Costa Rica. These licenses don't mean anything since anyone here without a criminal record can get a license in Curacao for under $20k USD within 6 weeks and less in Costa Rica.

The only reason the casinos ask for KYC is a way of not paying. In Curacao all the casinos work under a sub-license under one of the four master licenses. In the UK and US, licensing is strict. It's not that way for bitcoin casinos.

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October 15, 2022, 01:19:41 AM
Last edit: October 15, 2022, 05:58:31 AM by Peeps Place
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1xbit had a license in Curacao. This shows that a license doesn't mean a thing. Now that the parent company claimed bankruptcy, they don't have a license.

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October 15, 2022, 03:30:12 AM
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1xbit had a license in Curacao. This shows that a license doesn't mean a thing. Now that the parent company claimed bankruptcy, they have a license.
In our time now as the Licensing of gambling sites are just a Money making place and not to serve the interest and the safety of gamblers, I think this should not matter at all instead we must  choose a site that had been serving the forum of not the whole gambling industry with trust over the years.
so we will be having more safer gaming than  just a scam here and there like what mentioned by you.

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October 15, 2022, 12:50:31 PM
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I am always concerned about Anonymity in any casino I visit, although there might be warning stating "don't worry, your private information will not be shared with any third party". I prefer full anonymity when gambling.
well maybe that would be better. but what happens when you gamble on a gambling platform and you win a big win and when you want to withdraw all that money you have to do KYC, are you still anonymity? or do you choose to spend more of your winnings instead of having to do KYC for the anonymity that you already uphold?
but if it happened to me, i would take that risk because life is full of high risks even if we sleep there will also be risks.
maybe anonymity is very good and i also want it to not show my real face, but if one day it is needed i will do it. because nothing will restrict me from gambling even if it's anonymity.
it is our obligation to provide KYC as almost 90% of crypto gambling sites now are asking for KYC either from the account creation or from depositing? but mostly upon withdrawal specially with big amount.
so lets bare with it and must learn accepting it.

KYC is needed no matter what we do or even how we hate it.

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October 16, 2022, 11:05:21 AM
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I am always concerned about Anonymity in any casino I visit, although there might be warning stating "don't worry, your private information will not be shared with any third party". I prefer full anonymity when gambling.
well maybe that would be better. but what happens when you gamble on a gambling platform and you win a big win and when you want to withdraw all that money you have to do KYC, are you still anonymity? or do you choose to spend more of your winnings instead of having to do KYC for the anonymity that you already uphold?
but if it happened to me, i would take that risk because life is full of high risks even if we sleep there will also be risks.
maybe anonymity is very good and i also want it to not show my real face, but if one day it is needed i will do it. because nothing will restrict me from gambling even if it's anonymity.
it is our obligation to provide KYC as almost 90% of crypto gambling sites now are asking for KYC either from the account creation or from depositing? but mostly upon withdrawal specially with big amount.
so lets bare with it and must learn accepting it.

KYC is needed no matter what we do or even how we hate it.

One of the most expensive and important that we have is the details or the information related to us because most of the accounts emails are connected to personal use so that's why it is too hard to provide your personal information just for the sake of your gambling satisfaction some of the gambling casino allowing having a level 1 verficationjust the email or the name of the player but if they commit a withdrawal with a large amount or issues with their account thats the time they seek some assistant for the KYC.

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October 16, 2022, 12:20:15 PM
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We know that playing online on crypto casinos offers anonymity, but recently these platforms are choosing to be more regulated, because of that, the possibility of being asked for a KYC is much higher compared to the recent years.
Personally, I would choose being anonymous if I think I cannot trust the casino and/or the amount of fund that I can't withdraw is not worth of the KYC documents.
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October 16, 2022, 03:28:01 PM
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Hey guys.
Choosing crypto in casinos has always also to do with more anonimous gambling.
Anyway I'm curious how important is anonimity to you when you pay & play?


In general, cryptocurrencies are anonymous in its transactions. The fact that you can send your coins under the blockchain may utilize its anonymity factor when using your cryptocurrencies. But in gambling, most online gambling websites have required KYC in order for the protection of both the gambling website and their users.

Generally, anonymity is essential in doing transactions but you have to surrender this privilege when you gamble. Online gambling websites have to follow on their respective local laws and this requires KYC in order to operate.

Personally, I do not mind anonymity in gambling since I only gamble a handful amount of resources. Maybe anonymity would matter if I were to use large sums of capital whenever I gamble.
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October 16, 2022, 03:42:35 PM
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Hey guys.
Choosing crypto in casinos has always also to do with more anonimous gambling.
Anyway I'm curious how important is anonimity to you when you pay & play?

Maybe anonymity would matter if I were to use large sums of capital whenever I gamble.
LOL, and this is where you got it all wrong, casinos will likely not bother you about passing kyc verification if you only gamble minimal amount of money and never have to withdraw a huge sum from the casino.
Gambling with huge sums of money is where KYCing is very mandatory, this is because the casino will try to protect themselves from money Launders, so just have it at the back of your mind that you might not be required to pass kyc now that you gamble with small amount, but be ready to pass kyc verification as soon as your gambling portfolio increases.

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October 16, 2022, 03:46:50 PM
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We know that playing online on crypto casinos offers anonymity, but recently these platforms are choosing to be more regulated, because of that, the possibility of being asked for a KYC is much higher compared to the recent years.
Personally, I would choose being anonymous if I think I cannot trust the casino and/or the amount of fund that I can't withdraw is not worth of the KYC documents.
Actually, most casinos also prefers not to ask their gamblers with any KYC documents however they have no choice but to comply as their business will be compromise if they do follow with the regulations set by the government.

Still, some casinos are trying to tie their withdrawal option with KYC requirements which caused some of the gamblers having their funds locked from on the account. It's best to only provide your information to few casino that you trust to avoid future issue involving your identity.

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October 16, 2022, 03:53:39 PM
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Anyway I'm curious how important is anonimity to you when you pay & play?

It's somewhat important for me to the point that i'd prefer to play on casinos that don't require much during registration and sometimes it depends on the amount of money involved as I don't mind letting go a small amount if a casino decides to change their terms and conditions. If I suddenly win a big amount then i'll probably comply with their requirements but it's very rare for me to win a lot where they'll need KYC so that's the least of my concerns.

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October 16, 2022, 03:57:48 PM
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We know that playing online on crypto casinos offers anonymity, but recently these platforms are choosing to be more regulated, because of that, the possibility of being asked for a KYC is much higher compared to the recent years.
Personally, I would choose being anonymous if I think I cannot trust the casino and/or the amount of fund that I can't withdraw is not worth of the KYC documents.
Actually, most casinos also prefers not to ask their gamblers with any KYC documents however they have no choice but to comply as their business will be compromise if they do follow with the regulations set by the government.

Still, some casinos are trying to tie their withdrawal option with KYC requirements which caused some of the gamblers having their funds locked from on the account. It's best to only provide your information to few casino that you trust to avoid future issue involving your identity.

That is why many casinos now made KYC as mandatory for playing in their casinos so there won't be lot of issues when comes up while withdrawal in case of our winning rewards. As mentioned due to AML policies the casinos are forced to implement mandatory KYC so the complete anonymity is not really there anymore.

But here is the reputation of a casino will help us to choose the right and the documents we submit will stay safe in their hands but its really important to read ToS instead of simply ticking the check box while registering on any new platform will resolve lot of confusions in the future.

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October 16, 2022, 06:37:31 PM
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Hey guys.
Choosing crypto in casinos has always also to do with more anonimous gambling.
Anyway I'm curious how important is anonimity to you when you pay & play?


I don't think I do even think about anonymity when I'm gambling, however, I've picked crypto casinos just by the simple aspect of being able to instantly recharge or withdraw my funds from the account at any given time. Besides, we do not need to rely on any 3rd party operator to go through with this operation. That's the beauty of cryptos, there's no middlemen and you are truthfully in charge of your funds and not dependant on not just some bank or financial institution.
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October 16, 2022, 06:39:22 PM
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We know that playing online on crypto casinos offers anonymity, but recently these platforms are choosing to be more regulated, because of that, the possibility of being asked for a KYC is much higher compared to the recent years.
Personally, I would choose being anonymous if I think I cannot trust the casino and/or the amount of fund that I can't withdraw is not worth of the KYC documents.
Actually, most casinos also prefers not to ask their gamblers with any KYC documents however they have no choice but to comply as their business will be compromise if they do follow with the regulations set by the government.

Still, some casinos are trying to tie their withdrawal option with KYC requirements which caused some of the gamblers having their funds locked from on the account. It's best to only provide your information to few casino that you trust to avoid future issue involving your identity.

That is why many casinos now made KYC as mandatory for playing in their casinos so there won't be lot of issues when comes up while withdrawal in case of our winning rewards. As mentioned due to AML policies the casinos are forced to implement mandatory KYC so the complete anonymity is not really there anymore.

But here is the reputation of a casino will help us to choose the right and the documents we submit will stay safe in their hands but its really important to read ToS instead of simply ticking the check box while registering on any new platform will resolve lot of confusions in the future.

This is why as jemz mentioned above, as much as possible limit the casinos where you submit your KYC details.
In my opinion, select only the casinos and sportsbooks that you think you can play long term with them.
As we can't avoid submitting kyc these days because most of them are now getting their gambling license,
it is on our part how we choose a site that will be good for long term and know that they have relatively good reputation.
Much better if they have no existing complaints of any kind and has active support that you can find also in this forum.
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October 16, 2022, 08:02:54 PM
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Hey guys.
Choosing crypto in casinos has always also to do with more anonimous gambling.
Anyway I'm curious how important is anonimity to you when you pay & play?


I don't think I do even think about anonymity when I'm gambling, however, I've picked crypto casinos just by the simple aspect of being able to instantly recharge or withdraw my funds from the account at any given time. Besides, we do not need to rely on any 3rd party operator to go through with this operation.

Crypto Casinos somehow rely on a third party for their operation.  So definitely it is between us and crypto casinos as a middle men on the third-party services offered by the casino like slots provider, and others.  Anyway, it is also a best thing to be able to deposit and withdraw funds instantly.

That's the beauty of cryptos, there's no middlemen and you are truthfully in charge of your funds and not dependant on not just some bank or financial institution.

But the thing is a gambling platform that integrates cryptocurrency are now asking for KYC.  These gambling platform are centralized company that needs to comply with government regulation.  Once the transaction involved a centralized platform, this mentioned beauty of cryptocurrency is negated.

Actually, most casinos also prefers not to ask their gamblers with any KYC documents however they have no choice but to comply as their business will be compromise if they do follow with the regulations set by the government.

True, implementing KYC makes the casino to spend more, the money used for hiring KYC verification service should have been a profit for the casino but instead they have to spend them to comply with the government regulation.

Still, some casinos are trying to tie their withdrawal option with KYC requirements which caused some of the gamblers having their funds locked from on the account. It's best to only provide your information to few casino that you trust to avoid future issue involving your identity.

I agree, we should only perform KYC to a casino that we trust to save us from worries of having our identity leaked.

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October 16, 2022, 08:24:51 PM
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True, implementing KYC makes the casino to spend more, the money used for hiring KYC verification service should have been a profit for the casino but instead they have to spend them to comply with the government regulation.
Casinos must employ a special team for KYC check services but not hire third party services such as websites for data gatekeeper services because there is no guarantee that data checked by third services can be secretly copied and used for other purposes, so casinos must transparently state that they have a special team for KYC data checker of each account user.
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October 17, 2022, 09:35:00 PM
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I am always concerned about Anonymity in any casino I visit, although there might be warning stating "don't worry, your private information will not be shared with any third party". I prefer full anonymity when gambling.
well maybe that would be better. but what happens when you gamble on a gambling platform and you win a big win and when you want to withdraw all that money you have to do KYC, are you still anonymity? or do you choose to spend more of your winnings instead of having to do KYC for the anonymity that you already uphold?
but if it happened to me, i would take that risk because life is full of high risks even if we sleep there will also be risks.
maybe anonymity is very good and i also want it to not show my real face, but if one day it is needed i will do it. because nothing will restrict me from gambling even if it's anonymity.
it is our obligation to provide KYC as almost 90% of crypto gambling sites now are asking for KYC either from the account creation or from depositing? but mostly upon withdrawal specially with big amount.
so lets bare with it and must learn accepting it.

KYC is needed no matter what we do or even how we hate it.
While now it is very difficult to avoid having to identify yourself at most casinos I still think an effort needs to be made to remain as anonymous as possible, as we know very well that centralized services get hacked all the time and there can be a huge leak of information and then our data will be available to anyone that is willing to pay for it on the black markets, and this is a risk that is not small as even big companies have been hacked in the past.
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October 17, 2022, 10:04:53 PM
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True, implementing KYC makes the casino to spend more, the money used for hiring KYC verification service should have been a profit for the casino but instead they have to spend them to comply with the government regulation.
Casinos must employ a special team for KYC check services but not hire third party services such as websites for data gatekeeper services because there is no guarantee that data checked by third services can be secretly copied and used for other purposes, so casinos must transparently state that they have a special team for KYC data checker of each account user.
The cost might be the concern of every casinos and since this is not their forte, they tend to hire a third party for KYC concern and that’s ok as long as they get the reputable company to handle this. My only concern is my money, as long as I have the access to my account and my Money, i think I can still afford to fill out some KYC but when it comes to other documents, I’m afraid I can’t provide any.
There are various reason as to why gambling platform prefer to us third party KYC services other than doing it on their own.  One main reason would be security, since they'll be hiring a third-party service that specifically focuses on Data Acquisition of Personal Documents, users will be assured that their data's will be kept securely. Also, as a gambling platform, they just can't assign a "special team" but rather it will take a whole department for the casino itself to do the KYC process on their own. Just as you've mentioned, it will not be beneficial and cost-wise to the casino as well as the users.

Anyways, as for you providing KYC documents, I hope that you're only willing proceed with it to same platform rather than doing it on multiple platforms as it could be dangerous in the long run if you provide personal documents to multiple platforms.

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