Goodbye Pandukelana2712 - Thanks for your contribution.

[skarais]

Sad news shrouded the local board Bahasa Indonesian where one of our contributors was is known to have died of an illness several years ago and we only found out about the news now.

A little information about this news:

Pandukelana2712 has left the forum since January 01, 2020, 11:27:03 AM (that was the last day he was active on the account), but after that no news from him. Pandukelana2712 had an active loan with DarkStar_ of 0.064 BTC, but he failed to repay it due to his death. The reputation of his account was damaged due to the failure to repay the loan. But the surprising thing is, Pandukelana2712 managed to leave some money with a relative to pay off the loan to DarkStar_ (before he died) but he failed to find the right person before communicating with roycilik. You can skim the story in this thread where roycilik announces the death of pandukelana2712: [INFO]Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un (Pandukelana) ):

Loans may be repaid by relatives where Pandukelana2712 has deposited the money. DarkStar_ might already know it. But if this information is wrong, then I hope roycilik and other friends can correct it. Please.

Condolences continue to be sent to the trust page of pandukelana2712's account, a sign that most believe that pandukelana2712 has died.




On this occasion I want to ask the admin and other friends.

1. Is it possible to lock the pandukelana2712 account so that it can no longer be accessed by anyone if in the future hackers manage to find out its login data?

Username: pandukelana2712
Reason: Died

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

On this occasion I want to ask the admin and other friends.

1. Is it possible to lock the pandukelana2712 account so that it can no longer be accessed by anyone if in the future hackers manage to find out its login data?

Username: pandukelana2712
Reason: Died

RIP pandukelana2712.
I can not remember if I ever had a discussion with the user. But a death is always hurtful especially when you are from the same community.
My condolence to the family and friends who lost their close one.

There are in few occasions the admin locked a death person's account I guess only when it was confirmed. I think it can be done in this occasion too. Please PM theymos about it. He may not notice a general thread that has posted in the reputation board.

[LDL]

Innalillahi wa Inna Ilaihi Raziun. There is no escape from death. Every living thing will taste death one day. Today we are maybe tomorrow we are @Pandukelana2712 One like that will leave. But for every death, the family and close relatives suffer a lot. We have no words to express our condolences at this moment. We lost a good forum member like him. I pray for the forgiveness of his soul in the court of God and I pray for peace for him.

[JeromeTash]

I remember Pandukelana2712, His username popped up a dozen times in the gambling discussion boards if I recall well, though it's now a distant memory, and then he disappeared. Little did I know that he died.

He seemed to be a cool-headed guy. May his soul rest in peace.

I think the Admin can do something about the account if you send a request to him.

[_BlackStar]

On this occasion I want to ask the admin and other friends.

1. Is it possible to lock the pandukelana2712 account so that it can no longer be accessed by anyone if in the future hackers manage to find out its login data?

Username: pandukelana2712
Reason: Died

I think it's possible for moderators to do that for Pandukelana2712, but you and your community members should really verify it's correct so as not to harm others.

The temporary solution is, some of neutral tags on the account you mentioned above might also help to notify that the main user of the account has died. I'll probably tag that too, and RIP for Pandukelana2712.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

My condolence to the family and friends who lost their close one.

I doubt they're going to be reading this, especially if it's in English and they don't speak the language (that's just an assumption, could be wrong), and since he died a couple of years ago hopefully their grief has lessened somewhat.

I didn't know him, but obviously he made an impression on a lot of members here, and I hate to hear of any member dying--whether I liked them, didn't like them, or didn't even interact with them.  It's a large community we have here, but somehow a member's death seems to make it a lot smaller in my eyes.

Should negative or neutral tags be given in a case like this?  I can't remember what's been done in the past when a member has died, and it seems like a neutral might not be enough to alert someone that the account shouldn't be active--but it also seems unwarranted, even if the text in the feedback is just a death notice.

[_BlackStar]

Should negative or neutral tags be given in a case like this?  I can't remember what's been done in the past when a member has died, and it seems like a neutral might not be enough to alert someone that the account shouldn't be active--but it also seems unwarranted, even if the text in the feedback is just a death notice.

My tag is a little different than some of the other members, and I thought this tag would give a little bit of the impression that if the account were to be active again then everyone would be able to remember that it's no longer the main user. Maybe the final solution is to have the account locked by a moderator, that will solve everything.

Code:

R I P - This user has died, please be careful if one day this account is reactivated.

[hugeblack]

ربنا يرحمه
I do not know about local board Bahasa Indonesian, but I think that the comments above show that he was a good person.

I wish the rest of the members to remove the negative trust and lock the account (after confirming his death). I also wish @Darkstar_ to forgive the loan because he died.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

My tag is a little different than some of the other members, and I thought this tag would give a little bit of the impression that if the account were to be active again then everyone would be able to remember that it's no longer the main user. Maybe the final solution is to have the account locked by a moderator, that will solve everything.

Yeah, that's certainly appropriate text but I was just wondering whether deceased members should get red or neutral trust on their profiles to alert the community in the event the account becomes active again.  After looking at pandukelana2712's trust page however, he's already got some negative trust for things other than the most recent loan he took out (the ones from game-protect), and I doubt those are ever going to be removed--so in this particular case, the point is moot. 

I kind of agree that mods should lock an account if there's enough evidence that the member died.  But wasn't pandukelana2712's relative supposed to repay the loan?  Is that between DarkStar_ and the relative, or was that relative expected to gain access to pandukelana2712's account in order to do so?  Just curious.

[Sandra_hakeem]

My tag is a little different than some of the other members, and I thought this tag would give a little bit of the impression that if the account were to be active again then everyone would be able to remember that it's no longer the main user. Maybe the final solution is to have the account locked by a moderator, that will solve everything.

Yeah, that's certainly appropriate text but I was just wondering whether deceased members should get red or neutral trust on their profiles to alert the community in the event the account becomes active again.  After looking at pandukelana2712's trust page however, he's already got some negative trust for things other than the most recent loan he took out (the ones from game-protect), and I doubt those are ever going to be removed--so in this particular case, the point is moot. 

I kind of agree that mods should lock an account if there's enough evidence that the member died.  But wasn't pandukelana2712's relative supposed to repay the loan?  Is that between DarkStar_ and the relative, or was that relative expected to gain access to pandukelana2712's account in order to do so?  Just curious.

It hurts me Everytime I read on this topic. I was one of first to see it but, couldn't say anything just yet, not until now. Hades has evolved many into the afterlife -- a transformation that no sane person would stoop to, if self decisions were mandatory. I can't even say much as I didn't know 'em in person... He died before I was registered^{if I'm right}. My eyes are still and sweaty; rest on dear friend 🥺

Chymist,
I don't know how to believe the story -- that he gave his relatives some cash to save his ass, but if SK said so, then it must be true. His post above quotes that he communicated with Roycilik; I'm not sure what it was 'bout but, the user knows the deceased personally..... they'd get the cash and sort out the loan.

Sandra 😓

[Rengga Jati]

innaa lillahi wa innaa ilaihi raji’un

he was one of DT1 members in this forum, he is very active both in global and local boards, moreover, his contribution to the Indonesian local board was very much, being one of the influencing Indonesian board members, especially for new members at that time, because he often provided knowledge and also sharing and made very useful contributions.

Until then, he received red flags from several members of this forum regarding loan payments that were not made and were considered to be running away from responsibility. However, since then his account is no longer active.
And a few days ago the real truth was finally revealed.

This is a misunderstanding. He was actually responsible at the end of his life, by entrusting money to his relative/colleague to pay debts in this forum (because at that time he was seriously ill and given the mandate). However, for several logical reasons, this fact can only be conveyed several days ago, when 1000 days after his death.

Hopefully, with this, his good name will be clean again and there will be no more misunderstandings regarding the debt. And currently, the loan repayment seems to be in process.

[vv181]

But wasn't pandukelana2712's relative supposed to repay the loan?  Is that between DarkStar_ and the relative, or was that relative expected to gain access to pandukelana2712's account in order to do so?  Just curious.

The repayment will be handled by Pandu's friends, dewo_sat, and with the help of Roycilik. He will send the IDR amount of 0.064 BTC, and then Roycilik will send the bitcoin repayment to DarkStar_.

At least that is the current plan, he still needed a few days to collect the money.

[skarais]

Please PM theymos about it. He may not notice a general thread that has posted in the reputation board.

I think the Admin can do something about the account if you send a request to him.

I think it's possible for moderators to do that for Pandukelana2712,

Thank you for your advice, I will contact the admin when the loan has been repaid. For now I will monitor how this process is carried out considering his friend is trying to pay off the loan with the help of our local escrow. I hope the loan problem can be resolved as soon as possible, this will be better for the reputation of the account left.

Should negative or neutral tags be given in a case like this?  I can't remember what's been done in the past when a member has died, and it seems like a neutral might not be enough to alert someone that the account shouldn't be active--but it also seems unwarranted, even if the text in the feedback is just a death notice.

I'm also not sure if the neg or neutral tag matters, but at least it's useful for anyone tagging it. For a good impression, maybe neutral tags are fine instead of negative.

I kind of agree that mods should lock an account if there's enough evidence that the member died.  But wasn't pandukelana2712's relative supposed to repay the loan?  Is that between DarkStar_ and the relative, or was that relative expected to gain access to pandukelana2712's account in order to do so?  Just curious.

The loan is being finalized by his friend, but it may take some time for all the money to be collected. If dewo_sat has sent the amount of money that Pandekelana has deposited to escrow, then the settlement process will probably occur soon.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Rest in peace to the user. I dont know him but from the sounds of the other users, he is a good and great guy.


Do we have confirmed list of users that are confirmed died here? I think its good if we have a compilation of old users whom already passed away and put it on appropriate board for information.

Can also sort it out by category like confirm death by mods, and unverified ( which can be tagged for potential hack in case it get active again) just an opinion.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Should negative or neutral tags be given in a case like this?  I can't remember what's been done in the past when a member has died, ...

If we recall the TECSHARE account, the owner of which also died, then the users in his trust left a neutral review. And if you look, the TECSHARE account was not blocked until today. 
The same thing can probably happen to the pandukelana2712 account. 
Surely, if the forum knows the reason for the absence of a person on the forum, his further appearance in the event of an account hacking will cause a lot of attention, thus resurrecting the account simply does not make sense.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

But wasn't pandukelana2712's relative supposed to repay the loan?  Is that between DarkStar_ and the relative, or was that relative expected to gain access to pandukelana2712's account in order to do so?  Just curious.

The repayment will be handled by Pandu's friends, dewo_sat, and with the help of Roycilik. He will send the IDR amount of 0.064 BTC, and then Roycilik will send the bitcoin repayment to DarkStar_.

At least that is the current plan, he still needed a few days to collect the money.

It's a kind of restoration of humanity. The person died and his friends are taking liability of his debts. It's a beauty to know. Let's hope it's done correctly.

In a normal case would any lender tag an account if they would know the receiver died before repaying the debt?

PS: I see some users leave negative when someone dies, I feel that's not justified. When someone is gone and we are leaving a tag, others are thinking this account has bad reputation unless they take the time to read what's written on the feedback.

[skarais]

It's a kind of restoration of humanity. The person died and his friends are taking liability of his debts. It's a beauty to know. Let's hope it's done correctly.

dewo_sat is the member who received some money from @pandukelana before he died. The money was entrusted by @pandukelana to pay a debt to someone who might be Darkstar_. So dewo_sat is responsible for paying it which will then be submitted and assisted by roycilik. This is a brief story, but about how the repayment process will be, it will be known soon if Darkstar_ has received the money.

In a normal case would any lender tag an account if they would know the receiver died before repaying the debt?

In some cases, the loan may be written off because the loan recipient dies, but I don't know if this has been done in the past especially in this forum.

[Strongkored]

Rest In Peace Pandukelana2712, don't know you much and this news was shocking, though it eventually made it clear why he suddenly disappeared.
May the deeds of worship and all the good that has been done throughout his life be accepted by Allah S.W.T.
Hopefully his relative will finish all of the deceased's debt as soon as possible

[skarais]

Rest In Peace Pandukelana2712, don't know you much and this news was shocking, though it eventually made it clear why he suddenly disappeared.
May the deeds of worship and all the good that has been done throughout his life be accepted by Allah S.W.T.
Hopefully his relative will finish all of the deceased's debt as soon as possible

We really wish him and his family the very best but @pandekelana has been dead for quite a while and has probably been over 1000 days. If dewo_sat never told us about it a few days ago, then until now @pandukelana's reputation is still a user who defaults on his loans to other forum members.

I would support moderators to lock the @pandukelana account or some neutral tag for a sign that the owner is dead, and not for a red tag.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I would support moderators to lock the @pandukelana account or some neutral tag for a sign that the owner is dead, and not for a red tag.

I see many neutral tags are already given to Pandukelana. Hopefully mods/admin will consider locking the account with some custom title to remind his memory on the forum.