Faucet and Bonus Farming

[xSkylarx]

The casinos are not blocking normal accounts that are not misusing the faucets or the bonuses... they are blocking accounts of people that are using Bots or multiple accounts to farm those faucets or bonuses.

Gambling websites are strict when they provide some faucets or bonuses for free for their users. They will keep track of their users' ip addresses to see if they are using multi accounts to abuse their system. I've been using my one and only account on freebitco.in many years now and it's still alive even though I never deposit any amount and just use the satoshis coming from faucets to bet on their hi-lo game.

[Wexnident]

I think in said scenarios then it's the casino's fault? That is if they weren't using bots. Afaik they should have some rules that do not allow the usage of bots for farming faucets and bonuses, just like in any other type of scenario where free stuff is given. Smarter way or not, bots are just not allowed in general. Heck, I'd also consider taking advantage of bugs as not being allowed, but those cases are rare anw imo. But other than that, they should be allowed to maximize the faucet and bonuses given since well, the casino themselves allowed it.

[coolcoinz]

IMO attacks that target site vulnerabilities are a site owner's fault, so even if the faucets were claimed with the use of some glitch that allowed the person to log out of the site and be able to claim the faucet again, it's still a site's fault and user should not punished.

The only situation when it's a user's fault is when he's deliberately cheating the site by multi accounting when the site doesn't allow it. If the user claims multiple bonuses on one account and the site allows for it to happen, the money should be his to keep.

[piebeyb]

I think as long as it doesn't violate the rules set by the casino site, I think it's legal, but if the casino site closes the account without a reasonable reason, of course it's a problem, it all depends on the rules made by the casino site itself, anyone can use the faucet or the bonus if it has been provided and of course the casino must not violate its own rules and prohibit withdrawals from users as long as it meets the requirements

[Yaunfitda]

I think as long as it doesn't violate the rules set by the casino site, I think it's legal, but if the casino site closes the account without a reasonable reason, of course it's a problem, it all depends on the rules made by the casino site itself, anyone can use the faucet or the bonus if it has been provided and of course the casino must not violate its own rules and prohibit withdrawals from users as long as it meets the requirements

They have every right to close an account that they deemed abusing their faucets or like doing bonus farming, like creating a lot of accounts, anything that will abuse the casinos.

So there is no gray area here, the individual might find success early and if he can withdraw it, then good. But if the casino later found out what you have done, they will immediately lock and close your account and maybe you can ask for the reasons, but I doubt that the casino will give you the exact justification.

[skarais]

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

Usually casinos do not allow attempts to exploit bugs or flaws even if they are not harmful to the casino itself. I don't know if this is a violation of certain casinos or not, but I think it can be detrimental to the casino so they can consider it suspicious activity.

It could be argued that it was a mistake on the casino's part, but it's good that the player should notify the casino instead of sucking up all the available bonuses or faucets so that it will be fair to other users.

[Yatsan]

I think casinos would simply not allow their business to lose in any way. House always win right? Faucets and bonuses are simply for promotional purposes . They might seem to be losing in a way that they are giving it for free but that's how promotion works. They are paying people to make them pay afterwards once these people who recieved free money, become interested with what they are 'selling' or offering to the audiences. Maybe not visible to consumers' perspectives but there are gains by doing so. They won't do it if they will earn nothing from doing so, as simple as that.

[piebeyb]

I think as long as it doesn't violate the rules set by the casino site, I think it's legal, but if the casino site closes the account without a reasonable reason, of course it's a problem, it all depends on the rules made by the casino site itself, anyone can use the faucet or the bonus if it has been provided and of course the casino must not violate its own rules and prohibit withdrawals from users as long as it meets the requirements

They have every right to close an account that they deemed abusing their faucets or like doing bonus farming, like creating a lot of accounts, anything that will abuse the casinos.

So there is no gray area here, the individual might find success early and if he can withdraw it, then good. But if the casino later found out what you have done, they will immediately lock and close your account and maybe you can ask for the reasons, but I doubt that the casino will give you the exact justification.

yes that's what every user must understand before playing read the rules of the casino site before making a fatal mistake, it's also important not to waste time playing and finally not being able to withdraw money from a deposit or from winnings for violating the rules

[virasisog]

This often happens in small and new casino sites. They lose over the players because of the bonuses and promotions that they offer but that shouldn't be blamed on the player. They should put control on it instead of punishing the players because players are just grabbing the chances of earning that they offer. If they can't deal with it then they should stop running bonuses that will make players suffer than make a profit in the end.

[panjul07]

Every bonus/faucet has its own terms and conditions, if players break those terms then it is an abuse and the casino has the right to block the players.
Players who find a way to make profit from the bonus/faucet cant be blocked unless the way they use is breaking the rules.
Talking about who is wrong in case players can claim tons of faucet, I'd say both side are wrong.
The casino's fault is about how can they let users to claim tons of faucet, it should be limited.
Player's fault is that if they play solely from the faucet until they can make a withdrawal request without any intention to make deposit.

[Cling18]

If the casino is having losses due to their player's winnings then they should put limitations or even stop their promotion. Banning or punishing their players will affect their reputation and trust rate. If they want to keep their players, they should value them especially if they are not violating any rules. We can't blame players who are farming bonuses because it's already an open chance to have free play.

[seoincorporation]

And I think one rule of the game is not for gamblers to abuse or exploit their system like claiming tons of faucets or bonus abuse. Just like in landbase casino's, you might be smarter in the beginning, but as soon as the casino's notice something is odd, then for sure you will be flag by the pitboss.

You're not supposed to outsmart casinos.   Its a gray area for what users are supposed to do because these bonuses are just for promotion.

Here the thing is... The casino can set the limits on the code.

If user get a bonus & UserBonus < 10
then UserBonus+1

It's easy on the code to set the limits and if the user don't know those limits how will he know he is doing something bad.

Why not name these two casinos so the community will be warned about claiming on their faucets and bonuses

One is wintomato and the other one is winz...

Evidence:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5384260.msg59919331#msg59919331
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5239387.msg60237250#msg60237250

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

For me, I think a casino can only block a user if such person have been found to abuse a bonus or promotion, because it's natural that people loves free money, and many if presented with an opportunity could go an extra mile just to maximize earnings, which is what i have come to notice about majorty of casinos who runs a free faucet. Because in a scenario whereby a user create 10 multiple accounts just for the purpose of claiming daily faucet with the same I.P address, and one day finally caught and all 10 connected accounts blocked. Who is to blame? The user or the casino..

[uneng]

I wasn't aware about these cases where casinos punished users for farming the faucet, but if it's a concern of casinos they shouldn't allow gamblers to claim from faucet in case their balance is superior to, let's say, 100 satoshis or shouldn't even let them claim from the faucet if they have at least 1 satoshi on their balance.
This way it's not possible for gamblers to farm free money from casinos' faucets in a regular basis, therefore casinos' managers won't have to create any issues with gamblers regards this matter.

[Slow death]

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

if the casino in their TOS says that if they find out that someone is abusing the bonus or faucet they will have their account blocked then the casino is right to block the account of someone who is abusing the bonus or faucet, but if a person is abusing the bonus it is from the faucet but in the casino there is nothing in the TOS that allows that person's account to be blocked so the casino cannot block the person's account, maybe they can put another measure of punishment and also the casino needs to take measures so that the person's account is not abused bonus and faucet

If the casino is having losses due to their player's winnings then they should put limitations or even stop their promotion. Banning or punishing their players will affect their reputation and trust rate. If they want to keep their players, they should value them especially if they are not violating any rules. We can't blame players who are farming bonuses because it's already an open chance to have free play.

the point is that the faucet and bonus people don't make much profit to the casino so it's easier for the casino to block their account, but in the case of high rollers who are people who don't make faucet and are more concerned with winning and making a profit the casino will always give special treatment to these people, faucet can be a detriment to the casino

Because in a scenario whereby a user create 10 multiple accounts just for the purpose of claiming daily faucet with the same I.P address, and one day finally caught and all 10 connected accounts blocked. Who is to blame? The user or the casino..

Of course the only culprit is the user, the casino put the faucet so that people can collect coins and have the opportunity to test the casino, but people's ambition leads them to cheat and they don't count that when they close the faucet it will harm other people innocents who don't cheat

I wasn't aware about these cases where casinos punished users for farming the faucet, but if it's a concern of casinos they shouldn't allow gamblers to claim from faucet in case their balance is superior to, let's say, 100 satoshis or shouldn't even let them claim from the faucet if they have at least 1 satoshi on their balance.

people create a lot of accounts just to be able to reach the withdrawal limit quickly. I've seen this a lot in the past when I claimed faucets. I saw people with 30+ accounts cheating and posting the trick on youtube

[dothebeats]

It is the right of the casino to block anyone excessively claiming shit for themselves on the bonuses and faucets and not depositing any amount at all. If free rolls is what you want from a casino, stick with a platform that offers it regularly and READ THE TERMS of the bonus before making a complaint about your funds in the event of a win. Most casinos are pretty lax about it, but once bonuses are abused to the point that a user creates a new account to claim it, well that is something that is no longer acceptable and should have their account banned.

[ryzaadit]

They're "CASINO", not a charity site.

Faucet & Bonus is only a promotion method for you to play on their site, but while you taking the advantage by multiple-account for the bonus or faucet. It's already stated on the "FAQ", If you abused the platform they have some right to close your account.

If you disagree, then that's why (READ T&C BEFORE REGISTER).

[goldkingcoiner]

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

In this very particular case, if a player finds a way to exploit the code then that is the same as if you found a way to steal money from an atm. So why would anyone allow you to keep that money? Seems unfair/illegal to me.

If you are worried about being treated unfairly you can ponder the following:

First, in order to be sure of whats right or wrong I would probably look at your countries laws regarding this and the laws of the country in which the gambling casino is based. Bad Casinos usually like to base themselves in countries with corruption problems and/or lack of gambling regulations.

That makes it much harder to get your money back (if you are indeed dealing with a bad casino).

In the case of good casinos you should try to work it out with the casino. They surely would not want do anything against the law, (like steal your fair-earned money) as registered, licensed casinos.

[Doell]

Faucets and bonuses for promotion only, but if the user can withdraw it should be a good thing for the user but not for the casino. Every time the faucetor wins, the casino tries to find fault the user. But you are right that casinos should give faucets or bonuses with limits not block accounts, except for those people are accounts farmer.

One is wintomato and the other one is winz...

Evidence:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5384260.msg59919331#msg59919331
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5239387.msg60237250#msg60237250

The first case is quite interesting, at least the user can withdraw 6K Doge comfortably. The second case is complicated sir, no comment.

[darkangel11]

The first case is quite interesting, at least the user can withdraw 6K Doge comfortably. The second case is complicated sir, no comment.

The Winz response looks a bit fishy:

Our bonuses are easy to abuse and if we see that the players are using the bonuses to farm funds without any intention to play at Winz.io casino, then these players might be requested to provide the KYC and after that, the access to all future bonuses might also be locked.

So they'll first ask the user for his ID and then block him. If he starts a shit storm at least they'll have his personal info that can be use against him.
They also admit that free-of-wagering bonuses are not really free. They name them this way to attract people but when they claim them them without wagering they get banned.