Terence Crawford vs David Avanesyan December 10

[Baofeng]

^^ That's part of it I guess, no one wants to accept the blame for a fight to not happening as big as this one. But at least we have heard the side of Crawford, maybe it's just half truth or wait, I'm still interested to hear though as who is that hedge fund manager willing to offer them guaranteed money of $50 million, maybe it's just a bluff on his end, hehehehe.

But yeah, December 10, we shall see if Avanesyan is really good as advertised by Crawford as an opponent. Or will it be just an easy fight for him and then his critics will go after him for taking an easy route.

[freedomgo]

^^ That's part of it I guess, no one wants to accept the blame for a fight to not happening as big as this one. But at least we have heard the side of Crawford, maybe it's just half truth or wait, I'm still interested to hear though as who is that hedge fund manager willing to offer them guaranteed money of $50 million, maybe it's just a bluff on his end, hehehehe.

But yeah, December 10, we shall see if Avanesyan is really good as advertised by Crawford as an opponent. Or will it be just an easy fight for him and then his critics will go after him for taking an easy route.

You got some point but I don't think that Crawford was indeed bluffing when he told Al that there's someone out there who is willing to fund the fight, he won't be doing that just for the sake of pressuring Al and the latter is quite smart too and won't believe a single word without a proof. Crawford might have said all those words to save himself from the blaming game.

December 10, our questions will be answered and there might be some bonus statements from Crawford post-fight.

[Kemarit]

^^ That's part of it I guess, no one wants to accept the blame for a fight to not happening as big as this one. But at least we have heard the side of Crawford, maybe it's just half truth or wait, I'm still interested to hear though as who is that hedge fund manager willing to offer them guaranteed money of $50 million, maybe it's just a bluff on his end, hehehehe.

But yeah, December 10, we shall see if Avanesyan is really good as advertised by Crawford as an opponent. Or will it be just an easy fight for him and then his critics will go after him for taking an easy route.

You got some point but I don't think that Crawford was indeed bluffing when he told Al that there's someone out there who is willing to fund the fight, he won't be doing that just for the sake of pressuring Al and the latter is quite smart too and won't believe a single word without a proof. Crawford might have said all those words to save himself from the blaming game.

It's an open secret in the boxing industry that Al Haymon is very powerful and mysterious entity in boxing. And in his revelation, someone whisper to him, and this guy is under PBC that he needs to be careful on dealing with Al since he has no manager or someone that knows the ins and outs of boxing. And that he might be taking advantage of Al. And basically that's what happen, with no guarantee money. And that's why Crawford pitch that he knows rich personality willing to give both him and Spence $50 million, just a matter of how much they are going to split it up. But Al says no, and obviously Crawford didn't agree as well and that is why he is going to fight Avanesyan this December and then Spence moving forward with in house money fight with One Time Thurman.

[freedomgo]

^^ That's part of it I guess, no one wants to accept the blame for a fight to not happening as big as this one. But at least we have heard the side of Crawford, maybe it's just half truth or wait, I'm still interested to hear though as who is that hedge fund manager willing to offer them guaranteed money of $50 million, maybe it's just a bluff on his end, hehehehe.

But yeah, December 10, we shall see if Avanesyan is really good as advertised by Crawford as an opponent. Or will it be just an easy fight for him and then his critics will go after him for taking an easy route.

You got some point but I don't think that Crawford was indeed bluffing when he told Al that there's someone out there who is willing to fund the fight, he won't be doing that just for the sake of pressuring Al and the latter is quite smart too and won't believe a single word without a proof. Crawford might have said all those words to save himself from the blaming game.

It's an open secret in the boxing industry that Al Haymon is very powerful and mysterious entity in boxing. And in his revelation, someone whisper to him, and this guy is under PBC that he needs to be careful on dealing with Al since he has no manager or someone that knows the ins and outs of boxing. And that he might be taking advantage of Al. And basically that's what happen, with no guarantee money. And that's why Crawford pitch that he knows rich personality willing to give both him and Spence $50 million, just a matter of how much they are going to split it up. But Al says no, and obviously Crawford didn't agree as well and that is why he is going to fight Avanesyan this December and then Spence moving forward with in house money fight with One Time Thurman.

What I didn't understand is Al Haymon should have told Crawford much earlier like weeks or months earlier that they have no intentions on materializing the fight. What they did was too unreasonable as they let Crawford go back and forth and wasted a couple of months for nothing. And I'm also curious on one other thing, Al said that he talked someone from Crawford's camp but Crawford was surprised because he didn't know about it that there's someone who came to Al and introduced himself in behalf of Crawford to have a discussion.

Good thing that Crawford already prepared a fight in-case the unification fight won't be happening, no one expected it for sure and people are asking why Avanesyan. For me, it's okay to fight whoever he wanted because he haven't got a fight for more than a year already, but the next fight should be at least more interesting.

[Questat]

^^ That's part of it I guess, no one wants to accept the blame for a fight to not happening as big as this one. But at least we have heard the side of Crawford, maybe it's just half truth or wait, I'm still interested to hear though as who is that hedge fund manager willing to offer them guaranteed money of $50 million, maybe it's just a bluff on his end, hehehehe.

But yeah, December 10, we shall see if Avanesyan is really good as advertised by Crawford as an opponent. Or will it be just an easy fight for him and then his critics will go after him for taking an easy route.

There's no way that we could find out even if Crawford will confirm that what he was saying are all true and there is indeed that person who is interested to give them that huge guaranteed money of over a $50M just to make the fight happen. And of course, Al Haymon will decline that offer because he himself can make the fight happen and a $50M is not that big compared to what he could've earn if he will make the fight happen, I reckon it will be at least $100M considering that Spence is the PPV King and adding Crawford in the equation will be a sure blockbuster hit. Unfortunately, Al or Spence is not yet ready for it.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Out of nowhere the name David Avanesyan came. This is one lucky guy. Even if he is defeated in this match, which is most likely to happen, he will definitely cherish the moment that he is facing against the great Terence Crawford. He'll be proud of this for the rest of his life. Of course he could even be the luckiest man if he upsets Crawford. But looking at the odds, it seems nobody is really expecting him to win. He's got 7.00 against Crawford's 1.07.

I don't think he's lucky it looks like this fight happen because Crawford cherry pick Avanesyan, not Avanesyan itself who want to have a fight with Crawford. This can be an excuse for Crawford to not fight with Spence, I don't know if their fight (Crawford vs Spence) is postponed or cancelled, but if their fight will happen in the future, Crawford is the one who will in trouble since he's not young anymore. He's currently 35 years old, while Spence is 32 years old.

Then Avanesyan is therefore luckier. If he is not the one who is trying hard looking for ways to fight the popular and talented Crawford, then it is opportunity that is knocking on his door. He is the luckiest man. Others at his level could only dream of it. Now he is sharing the limelight with one of the best pound for pound boxers of his time.

I think Crawford is the one who's more eager to face Spence. It's just that there were problems along the way. I cannot find any reason why Crawford would go for one Avanesyan than Spence.

Well, I really think that here the one who has the greatest advantage of doing something good is Avanesyan, because he is a boxer who can make history if he gets a good victory, of course if this happens everything would collapse for Crawford, right now Crawford lop who doesn't want to lose It's gfama, maybe this is such an interesting fight for many, but it can be something important and influential for some fans of world boxing, in particular I even want to see how much Crawford has practiced, I know he has prepared a lot , because he wanted to go all out against Spence, but things didn't happen, somehow it will get his attention.

[Fredomago]

Out of nowhere the name David Avanesyan came. This is one lucky guy. Even if he is defeated in this match, which is most likely to happen, he will definitely cherish the moment that he is facing against the great Terence Crawford. He'll be proud of this for the rest of his life. Of course he could even be the luckiest man if he upsets Crawford. But looking at the odds, it seems nobody is really expecting him to win. He's got 7.00 against Crawford's 1.07.

I don't think he's lucky it looks like this fight happen because Crawford cherry pick Avanesyan, not Avanesyan itself who want to have a fight with Crawford. This can be an excuse for Crawford to not fight with Spence, I don't know if their fight (Crawford vs Spence) is postponed or cancelled, but if their fight will happen in the future, Crawford is the one who will in trouble since he's not young anymore. He's currently 35 years old, while Spence is 32 years old.

Then Avanesyan is therefore luckier. If he is not the one who is trying hard looking for ways to fight the popular and talented Crawford, then it is opportunity that is knocking on his door. He is the luckiest man. Others at his level could only dream of it. Now he is sharing the limelight with one of the best pound for pound boxers of his time.

I think Crawford is the one who's more eager to face Spence. It's just that there were problems along the way. I cannot find any reason why Crawford would go for one Avanesyan than Spence.

Well, I really think that here the one who has the greatest advantage of doing something good is Avanesyan, because he is a boxer who can make history if he gets a good victory, of course if this happens everything would collapse for Crawford, right now Crawford lop who doesn't want to lose It's gfama, maybe this is such an interesting fight for many, but it can be something important and influential for some fans of world boxing, in particular I even want to see how much Crawford has practiced, I know he has prepared a lot , because he wanted to go all out against Spence, but things didn't happen, somehow it will get his attention.

He will show what he got again since the deal against Spence didn't materialize and he need to add more hypes to his name, even he's a title holder without a fight his name will be stuck so for this upcoming fight he will show what he still have and will entertain his fans, knowing Crawford which more likely to review his opponents capabilities and will prepare to make sure that he will have to keep his belt and still have lots of money fight to come before he retires his gloves.

Maybe next year Spence and Crawford's camp will sit again and try to negotiate in terms of each demand to make the fight happen.

[Baofeng]

^^ That's part of it I guess, no one wants to accept the blame for a fight to not happening as big as this one. But at least we have heard the side of Crawford, maybe it's just half truth or wait, I'm still interested to hear though as who is that hedge fund manager willing to offer them guaranteed money of $50 million, maybe it's just a bluff on his end, hehehehe.

But yeah, December 10, we shall see if Avanesyan is really good as advertised by Crawford as an opponent. Or will it be just an easy fight for him and then his critics will go after him for taking an easy route.

There's no way that we could find out even if Crawford will confirm that what he was saying are all true and there is indeed that person who is interested to give them that huge guaranteed money of over a $50M just to make the fight happen. And of course, Al Haymon will decline that offer because he himself can make the fight happen and a $50M is not that big compared to what he could've earn if he will make the fight happen, I reckon it will be at least $100M considering that Spence is the PPV King and adding Crawford in the equation will be a sure blockbuster hit. Unfortunately, Al or Spence is not yet ready for it.

I wouldn't call Spence a PPV though, even Canelo is not drawing huge amount of PPV, in his last fight against GGG, he has like just over a million PPV. And for the Spence vs Ugas fight, reports says it draw 240,000 PPV

https://ringside24.com/en/55740-spence-ugas-240-thousand-sold-ppv

And so I doubt that they can make $100 M.

And one thing that makes Crawford revelation believable is that PBC is not contradicting any in the public. They just wanted to keep silent and then announced a Spence vs Thurman fight.

That $50 million is a guaranteed purse split for both Crawford and Spence, so maybe $30 M to $20 M in favor Spence. And as far as PBC is offering Crawford, again this is from Bud himself, 35% is the offer to him.

[Natalim]

^^ That's part of it I guess, no one wants to accept the blame for a fight to not happening as big as this one. But at least we have heard the side of Crawford, maybe it's just half truth or wait, I'm still interested to hear though as who is that hedge fund manager willing to offer them guaranteed money of $50 million, maybe it's just a bluff on his end, hehehehe.

But yeah, December 10, we shall see if Avanesyan is really good as advertised by Crawford as an opponent. Or will it be just an easy fight for him and then his critics will go after him for taking an easy route.

There's no way that we could find out even if Crawford will confirm that what he was saying are all true and there is indeed that person who is interested to give them that huge guaranteed money of over a $50M just to make the fight happen. And of course, Al Haymon will decline that offer because he himself can make the fight happen and a $50M is not that big compared to what he could've earn if he will make the fight happen, I reckon it will be at least $100M considering that Spence is the PPV King and adding Crawford in the equation will be a sure blockbuster hit. Unfortunately, Al or Spence is not yet ready for it.

I wouldn't call Spence a PPV though, even Canelo is not drawing huge amount of PPV, in his last fight against GGG, he has like just over a million PPV. And for the Spence vs Ugas fight, reports says it draw 240,000 PPV

https://ringside24.com/en/55740-spence-ugas-240-thousand-sold-ppv

And so I doubt that they can make $100 M.

And one thing that makes Crawford revelation believable is that PBC is not contradicting any in the public. They just wanted to keep silent and then announced a Spence vs Thurman fight.

That $50 million is a guaranteed purse split for both Crawford and Spence, so maybe $30 M to $20 M in favor Spence. And as far as PBC is offering Crawford, again this is from Bud himself, 35% is the offer to him.

I agree, $100M is a bit too much to ask for a Crawford-Spence fight and that $50M offered by an independent contractor was a reasonable offer. Give or take, they might not even reach $70M. Don't know what Al Haymon is thinking and he is greedy even if he doesn't the fight to happen, for sure Spence was already ready but he cannot just fly solo for now.

Anyway, Spence vs Thurman fight is not yet final. They haven't speak of anything after the order of WBC but I know this will push through because Spence won't just let Keith have his way without even fighting for it. Lastly, the fight has been rumored to happen on December 17 of this year.

[stadus]

Anyway, Spence vs Thurman fight is not yet final. They haven't speak of anything after the order of WBC but I know this will push through because Spence won't just let Keith have his way without even fighting for it. Lastly, the fight has been rumored to happen on December 17 of this year.

Yes, I know that this fight is ain't final yet and I expect that this will happen somewhere in the 1st quarter next year. But next month? That's totally not possible. The fight have just been ordered recently and both camps are not yet done with the terms if they already began discussing it that is why I don't think that it will happen next month. That is too rush and this is not an ordinary fight, this is a title fight.

[Yaunfitda]

Anyway, Spence vs Thurman fight is not yet final. They haven't speak of anything after the order of WBC but I know this will push through because Spence won't just let Keith have his way without even fighting for it. Lastly, the fight has been rumored to happen on December 17 of this year.

Yes, I know that this fight is ain't final yet and I expect that this will happen somewhere in the 1st quarter next year. But next month? That's totally not possible. The fight have just been ordered recently and both camps are not yet done with the terms if they already began discussing it that is why I don't think that it will happen next month. That is too rush and this is not an ordinary fight, this is a title fight.

I guess this fight is easy to made because they have the said promoter in Al Haymon and PBC. And this could be a good reason, Spence could rub it in on Crawford as he can say that he is fighting a tough opponent as compare to him getting Avanesyan in December 10.

Crawford has been criticized for fighting a unknown boxer, but he said that he did everything in his part to make the deal with Spence or his camp. Unfortunately, they can't make a deal and so he will continue to fight to defend his belt against Avanesyan.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Nevertheless, there is nothing he can do even if he lose this fight. Crawford is one of the best champion in this division and it could be a an honor for a EU champion like him to be suddenly on the biggest spotlight.

He maybe was a champion but he was not part of the top list of a champion where Spence and Crawford belong, that's why it's understandable if people will not think that he is not a good opponent as Crawford is just a celebrated champion. Well, upset is possible but I don't see one against Crawford.

He is a European Champion, not in the top 5, but definitely in the top 10 of the welterweight division.

Crawford goes on to say though that no one wanted to take a fight with him and so he goes with David here. Although we have heard that Ennis and Ortiz Jr should be recognized as his potential fight but who knows, maybe again boxing politics behind make this fight impossible.

So he chooses Avanesyan as his next opponent, for tuneup for a bigger fight for next year.

Well here is something clear, and it is that Crawford is a boxer through whom he could not find the fight against Spence, and that is something that I know frustrated him, but I thought Crawford's decision to look for the fight against David was good, he is a boxer who can be very tough and dfuicuk de gabar ty Crawford has to show that the fight against Spence is that little thorn that should be taken out, but with more previous victories, if there is not a good victory against David, it will be difficult for him to measure you with Spence, who is his main objective, for his part Spence did not stay behind, he has another fight, so things can be equalized for both, so that a good fight can take place.


In another order of ideas, with Crawford they have many opportunities to continue seeing him despite the fight he has with Avanesyan, whatever the result of the fight they want Crawford to have a very good fight, right now we have the following:

Crawford must fight Boots Ennis or Spence in 2023 or vacate WBO belt

By Chris Williams: Terence Crawford must defend his WBO welterweight title against Jaron ‘Boots’ Ennis or Errol Spence Jr in 2023 or vacate the belt.

Crawford, 35, is going to need some willingness to stick it out with the negotiations with Spence next year if doesn’t want to have to defend his WBO title against Boots Ennis and wind up getting knocked out by him.

There are two options available for Bud Crawford to avoid fighting Boots in 2023, and that’s as follows:

1. Fight Errol Spence

2. Vacate the WBO belt

Given the lack of patience Crawford showed during his previous negotiations with Spence, it’s unlikely he’ll stay with the talks until a fight is produced with the popular pay-per-view star.

At this point, it’s unclear whether Spence and his management at PBC will even bother trying to set up another fight with Crawford.

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/11/crawford-must-fight-boots-ennis-or-spence-in-2023-or-vacate-wbo-belt/

However, there is still some time to see the fight and make good speculations, although the truth is that many have enough hope that Crawford will be the winner.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Anyway, Spence vs Thurman fight is not yet final. They haven't speak of anything after the order of WBC but I know this will push through because Spence won't just let Keith have his way without even fighting for it. Lastly, the fight has been rumored to happen on December 17 of this year.

Yes, I know that this fight is ain't final yet and I expect that this will happen somewhere in the 1st quarter next year. But next month? That's totally not possible. The fight have just been ordered recently and both camps are not yet done with the terms if they already began discussing it that is why I don't think that it will happen next month. That is too rush and this is not an ordinary fight, this is a title fight.

Yes, not going to happen this December, most likely it will be early quarter next year. Although both of them have been notified of the potential fight so for sure they might be doing some light trainings just to get the blood going specially for Thurman.

For this fight Crawford is still way the odds favorite, and should be focus and not take away and be distracted by the fight between him and Spence not happening because both sides failed to come up on an agreement.

[stadus]

Anyway, Spence vs Thurman fight is not yet final. They haven't speak of anything after the order of WBC but I know this will push through because Spence won't just let Keith have his way without even fighting for it. Lastly, the fight has been rumored to happen on December 17 of this year.

Yes, I know that this fight is ain't final yet and I expect that this will happen somewhere in the 1st quarter next year. But next month? That's totally not possible. The fight have just been ordered recently and both camps are not yet done with the terms if they already began discussing it that is why I don't think that it will happen next month. That is too rush and this is not an ordinary fight, this is a title fight.

Yes, not going to happen this December, most likely it will be early quarter next year. Although both of them have been notified of the potential fight so for sure they might be doing some light trainings just to get the blood going specially for Thurman.

For this fight Crawford is still way the odds favorite, and should be focus and not take away and be distracted by the fight between him and Spence not happening because both sides failed to come up on an agreement.

Definitely not this year, apart from the boxer's preparations and trainings. Promoters do need some time too to plan the fight carefully on where they will hold the fight and the correct date where there's no conflicts like important holidays or other fights that will divide the crowd. For a title fight, it's best if they can finalize the fight and give the final details 2 months prior the fight so that the audience can prepare for it as well so that the fight will be packed.

Agreed, no movement huge movements on their odds as well. It is expected already that Crawford will defeat Avanesyan easily and will just look this as a mere tune-up to prepare him from the future fights that may happen next year.

[Baofeng]

Anyway, Spence vs Thurman fight is not yet final. They haven't speak of anything after the order of WBC but I know this will push through because Spence won't just let Keith have his way without even fighting for it. Lastly, the fight has been rumored to happen on December 17 of this year.

Yes, I know that this fight is ain't final yet and I expect that this will happen somewhere in the 1st quarter next year. But next month? That's totally not possible. The fight have just been ordered recently and both camps are not yet done with the terms if they already began discussing it that is why I don't think that it will happen next month. That is too rush and this is not an ordinary fight, this is a title fight.

Yes, not going to happen this December, most likely it will be early quarter next year. Although both of them have been notified of the potential fight so for sure they might be doing some light trainings just to get the blood going specially for Thurman.

For this fight Crawford is still way the odds favorite, and should be focus and not take away and be distracted by the fight between him and Spence not happening because both sides failed to come up on an agreement.

Definitely not this year, apart from the boxer's preparations and trainings. Promoters do need some time too to plan the fight carefully on where they will hold the fight and the correct date where there's no conflicts like important holidays or other fights that will divide the crowd. For a title fight, it's best if they can finalize the fight and give the final details 2 months prior the fight so that the audience can prepare for it as well so that the fight will be packed.

Agreed, no movement huge movements on their odds as well. It is expected already that Crawford will defeat Avanesyan easily and will just look this as a mere tune-up to prepare him from the future fights that may happen next year.

Yes, and this fight is barely weeks from now, both are now winding their training and maybe watching their weight as in the next couple of weeks they will go on the scale. As the majority says, it's just a tune up fight for Crawford, definitely, the biggest fish to fry is Spence (sorry I have to bring it up again), but maybe a Ennis fight will not be that bad for Crawford's legacy as Jarod is the young gun coming up in their division. Taller, and has a bigger punching power, so no wonder either one of them doesn't want to fight him as this point. But to reach for greatness and legacy, either Crawford or Spence should give him that one and only chance.

[Natalim]

Anyway, Spence vs Thurman fight is not yet final. They haven't speak of anything after the order of WBC but I know this will push through because Spence won't just let Keith have his way without even fighting for it. Lastly, the fight has been rumored to happen on December 17 of this year.

Yes, I know that this fight is ain't final yet and I expect that this will happen somewhere in the 1st quarter next year. But next month? That's totally not possible. The fight have just been ordered recently and both camps are not yet done with the terms if they already began discussing it that is why I don't think that it will happen next month. That is too rush and this is not an ordinary fight, this is a title fight.

Yes, not going to happen this December, most likely it will be early quarter next year. Although both of them have been notified of the potential fight so for sure they might be doing some light trainings just to get the blood going specially for Thurman.

For this fight Crawford is still way the odds favorite, and should be focus and not take away and be distracted by the fight between him and Spence not happening because both sides failed to come up on an agreement.

Definitely not this year, apart from the boxer's preparations and trainings. Promoters do need some time too to plan the fight carefully on where they will hold the fight and the correct date where there's no conflicts like important holidays or other fights that will divide the crowd. For a title fight, it's best if they can finalize the fight and give the final details 2 months prior the fight so that the audience can prepare for it as well so that the fight will be packed.

Agreed, no movement huge movements on their odds as well. It is expected already that Crawford will defeat Avanesyan easily and will just look this as a mere tune-up to prepare him from the future fights that may happen next year.

Yes, and this fight is barely weeks from now, both are now winding their training and maybe watching their weight as in the next couple of weeks they will go on the scale. As the majority says, it's just a tune up fight for Crawford, definitely, the biggest fish to fry is Spence (sorry I have to bring it up again), but maybe a Ennis fight will not be that bad for Crawford's legacy as Jarod is the young gun coming up in their division. Taller, and has a bigger punching power, so no wonder either one of them doesn't want to fight him as this point. But to reach for greatness and legacy, either Crawford or Spence should give him that one and only chance.

No worries mate, it's fine. We cannot really keep ourselves from mentioning them because somehow these topics are connected to the ones who holds the belt in this division. I also hated the fact that boxing these days are far more political rather than giving the people the fight they deserved because they are the ones why they became a millionaire, so somehow, they owe it to the people.

I just hope that sooner or later, if in case Spence vs Crawford will not happen, one of them will fight the next contenders like Ortiz Jr. and Ennis rather than fighting an amateurs who are way out of their league (except for Spence because Keith is not a regular boxer, I bet he can still surprise us)

[Kasabus]

Anyway, Spence vs Thurman fight is not yet final. They haven't speak of anything after the order of WBC but I know this will push through because Spence won't just let Keith have his way without even fighting for it. Lastly, the fight has been rumored to happen on December 17 of this year.

Yes, I know that this fight is ain't final yet and I expect that this will happen somewhere in the 1st quarter next year. But next month? That's totally not possible. The fight have just been ordered recently and both camps are not yet done with the terms if they already began discussing it that is why I don't think that it will happen next month. That is too rush and this is not an ordinary fight, this is a title fight.

Yes, not going to happen this December, most likely it will be early quarter next year. Although both of them have been notified of the potential fight so for sure they might be doing some light trainings just to get the blood going specially for Thurman.

For this fight Crawford is still way the odds favorite, and should be focus and not take away and be distracted by the fight between him and Spence not happening because both sides failed to come up on an agreement.

I'm just hoping that the IBF will join the party too so that Spence won't have to take his time much longer to think about whether he'll bring vengeance or not because he seriously does not want to be stripped of the belts that he is now holding without giving a good fight to defend it. It's time for him to forget about that incident because it is not that serious because he was not a hot shot at that time as the likes of Mayweather, Pacquiao and Thurman are the ones who are controlling that division. Now that his time has come, it's better for him to defeat Thurman as a way of revenge.

For this fight Crawford is still way the odds favorite, and should be focus and not take away and be distracted by the fight between him and Spence not happening because both sides failed to come up on an agreement.

I know that he's still thinking about it because it is really hard to forget about that as he looked like a fool going back and forth without knowing that Al Haymon has no intentions to make the fight happen. Anyway, let's just move on because they are now facing different foes and accept the fact that their undisputed fight seems too much to ask.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Anyway, Spence vs Thurman fight is not yet final. They haven't speak of anything after the order of WBC but I know this will push through because Spence won't just let Keith have his way without even fighting for it. Lastly, the fight has been rumored to happen on December 17 of this year.

Yes, I know that this fight is ain't final yet and I expect that this will happen somewhere in the 1st quarter next year. But next month? That's totally not possible. The fight have just been ordered recently and both camps are not yet done with the terms if they already began discussing it that is why I don't think that it will happen next month. That is too rush and this is not an ordinary fight, this is a title fight.

Yes, not going to happen this December, most likely it will be early quarter next year. Although both of them have been notified of the potential fight so for sure they might be doing some light trainings just to get the blood going specially for Thurman.

For this fight Crawford is still way the odds favorite, and should be focus and not take away and be distracted by the fight between him and Spence not happening because both sides failed to come up on an agreement.

Definitely not this year, apart from the boxer's preparations and trainings. Promoters do need some time too to plan the fight carefully on where they will hold the fight and the correct date where there's no conflicts like important holidays or other fights that will divide the crowd. For a title fight, it's best if they can finalize the fight and give the final details 2 months prior the fight so that the audience can prepare for it as well so that the fight will be packed.

Agreed, no movement huge movements on their odds as well. It is expected already that Crawford will defeat Avanesyan easily and will just look this as a mere tune-up to prepare him from the future fights that may happen next year.

Yes, and this fight is barely weeks from now, both are now winding their training and maybe watching their weight as in the next couple of weeks they will go on the scale. As the majority says, it's just a tune up fight for Crawford, definitely, the biggest fish to fry is Spence (sorry I have to bring it up again), but maybe a Ennis fight will not be that bad for Crawford's legacy as Jarod is the young gun coming up in their division. Taller, and has a bigger punching power, so no wonder either one of them doesn't want to fight him as this point. But to reach for greatness and legacy, either Crawford or Spence should give him that one and only chance.

Well yes, what you say is true, but I think we can't try to underestimate Avanesyan either, what would happen if Crawford lost? how would he? Personally, nobody gets it out of my head that Crawford has been preparing for the fight that didn't happen with Spence all these months, what he was waiting for is that they say yes to fight him once and for all, which The thing is that things didn't work out and for now it's up to him with someone else, but in the event that Crawford wins, I'm very sure that he will go back to look for Spence no matter what, somehow ´´he wants Spence to give him that peel.

On the other hand, I think that Spnece will also have to win his fight, it is not an easy thing, it has already been shown in boxing that they should never be trusted, because in the event that he loses, he has to accept the fight against Crawford.

Here a gift:

Prograis Title Try Provides Welcome Jolt from Crawford-Spence Coma

It should have been different this week.

Americans should have been welcoming visiting family members while prepping holiday meals and waxing poetic over the latest classic between two high-end, prime welterweights.

After all, sources had suggested a few months back that Terence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr. had done everything but put pen to paper when it came to a November 19 showdown.

So, it seemed set in stone that we’d be carving turkeys and spooning out mashed potatoes while discussing exactly where this year’s duel at 147 pounds would fit alongside the likes of Leonard-Hearns, De La Hoya-Trinidad and Mayweather-Pacquiao.

Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/prograis-title-try-provides-welcome-jolt-from-crawford-spence-coma--170686

Well I think that in 2023 if we see the Crawford vs. Spence fight, it is that this show is being asked for by the fans, and I think that sometimes you have to please the fans.

[lionheart78]

Yes, and this fight is barely weeks from now, both are now winding their training and maybe watching their weight as in the next couple of weeks they will go on the scale. As the majority says, it's just a tune up fight for Crawford, definitely, the biggest fish to fry is Spence (sorry I have to bring it up again), but maybe a Ennis fight will not be that bad for Crawford's legacy as Jarod is the young gun coming up in their division. Taller, and has a bigger punching power, so no wonder either one of them doesn't want to fight him as this point. But to reach for greatness and legacy, either Crawford or Spence should give him that one and only chance.

Well yes, what you say is true, but I think we can't try to underestimate Avanesyan either,

True Avanesyan have power behind his punches too but  Crawford is a technical fighter that can see Avanesyan's moves.  Aside from that Crawford had beaten two of three boxers that defeated Avanesyan and one of the is via TKO.  That alone can state a possibility that Crawford is way better boxer than Avanesyan.  And of course, no matter how better the boxer is, the possibility of an upset win is there. 

what would happen if Crawford lost? how would he?

Only Crawford and his team know what is the next step if this happens.   Of course, they will reflect on the mistakes they made before thinking of any best course to continue Crawford's career.

Personally, nobody gets it out of my head that Crawford has been preparing for the fight that didn't happen with Spence all these months, what he was waiting for is that they say yes to fight him once and for all, which The thing is that things didn't work out and for now it's up to him with someone else, but in the event that Crawford wins, I'm very sure that he will go back to look for Spence no matter what, somehow ´´he wants Spence to give him that peel.

On the other hand, I think that Spnece will also have to win his fight, it is not an easy thing, it has already been shown in boxing that they should never be trusted, because in the event that he loses, he has to accept the fight against Crawford.

They both need to win their fight if they wanted their match-up as hot as ever.  It would lose some interest if one of them got defeated before they meet in the ring.  The unblemished record and the held title are what keep the audience wanting to see them box on fire.

Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/prograis-title-try-provides-welcome-jolt-from-crawford-spence-coma--170686

Well I think that in 2023 if we see the Crawford vs. Spence fight, it is that this show is being asked for by the fans, and I think that sometimes you have to please the fans.

Hopefully, the long-awaited fight between Spence and Crawford happen next year.  It is been long due.

[Kemarit]

^^ That's part of it I guess, no one wants to accept the blame for a fight to not happening as big as this one. But at least we have heard the side of Crawford, maybe it's just half truth or wait, I'm still interested to hear though as who is that hedge fund manager willing to offer them guaranteed money of $50 million, maybe it's just a bluff on his end, hehehehe.

But yeah, December 10, we shall see if Avanesyan is really good as advertised by Crawford as an opponent. Or will it be just an easy fight for him and then his critics will go after him for taking an easy route.

You got some point but I don't think that Crawford was indeed bluffing when he told Al that there's someone out there who is willing to fund the fight, he won't be doing that just for the sake of pressuring Al and the latter is quite smart too and won't believe a single word without a proof. Crawford might have said all those words to save himself from the blaming game.

It's an open secret in the boxing industry that Al Haymon is very powerful and mysterious entity in boxing. And in his revelation, someone whisper to him, and this guy is under PBC that he needs to be careful on dealing with Al since he has no manager or someone that knows the ins and outs of boxing. And that he might be taking advantage of Al. And basically that's what happen, with no guarantee money. And that's why Crawford pitch that he knows rich personality willing to give both him and Spence $50 million, just a matter of how much they are going to split it up. But Al says no, and obviously Crawford didn't agree as well and that is why he is going to fight Avanesyan this December and then Spence moving forward with in house money fight with One Time Thurman.

What I didn't understand is Al Haymon should have told Crawford much earlier like weeks or months earlier that they have no intentions on materializing the fight. What they did was too unreasonable as they let Crawford go back and forth and wasted a couple of months for nothing. And I'm also curious on one other thing, Al said that he talked someone from Crawford's camp but Crawford was surprised because he didn't know about it that there's someone who came to Al and introduced himself in behalf of Crawford to have a discussion.

I guess that's why others call Al Haymon a devious manager, and become so powerful maybe because of this kind of move. Pushing the boxer, in this case in the corner that he will be surprised in the end and the only thing he can do is to sign the contract without the guarantee of receiving a purse split until the fight is over.

Good thing that Crawford already prepared a fight in-case the unification fight won't be happening, no one expected it for sure and people are asking why Avanesyan. For me, it's okay to fight whoever he wanted because he haven't got a fight for more than a year already, but the next fight should be at least more interesting.

As long as it is a non-PBC fighter he can fight a opponent. It might not be a name opponent, but at least a good dance partner, a champion who has a power and so we will see how Crawford boxing skills will be tested against a Avanesyan aggressive style.