A lottery's defense to not paying a huge winning.

[QueenVera]

Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

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[LUCKMCFLY]

I think it is better to put this on court so it will be fair for the both parties involve, if the company wins and their claims that the player is cheating since as per then he has a history of it then that man should not get is jackpot and also he must be banned in every casinos or gambling site and if the player is correct, that company should pay him as well and pay some damage fee because they are bigger entity than him.

I agree with you there which it is indeed fair for both parties to determine which side is lying and which side is telling the truth. It is hard to know if someone is telling the truth if the supposedly the victim is telling the truth and with evidence unlike if you are telling something without proof of backing up what you want to say. Let's say, you are a scammer and what proof do I have?, Nothing right?. It's also pointless to put it on court if you don't have proof in my opinion. It is much better if you can prove that they are not paying and a proof that no cheat are used.

Well, it's difficult, tests in casinos like that, if they didn't do it, how could it be done then? there in these cases I think that whoever can have the record of those plays would be an additional server that they should have in the casino, but obviously they will not say it, I think that those casinos that rob people how can they survive? of the new players who do not know much and take advantage of them? I have seen that what they do is find a way for more people to enter and it does not stop possible hacking or security problems, I would make many backups of everything that happens in the day, how much was entered and how much was paid and who was the player who lasted the longest and won... the winnings in a casino must be paid to his client, it is the duty to be.

[AicecreaME]

Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

This makes sense.

I really do hope as well that the court will side on the supposedly winner of the lottery because he has already exerted a lot of time, effort, and money just to win this case. It will not be easy because there are certain procedures and processes that has to be done in order to uncover the truth. But if the player has enough proofs and evidences to back up his claim that he indeed won, then there should be a smooth judgement and decision in ruling based on the gathered pieces of information.

Justice system of the country in which OP is residing to also plays a great role in the outcome of this issue because if a country's justice system is fucked up, then there's a little chance that the one telling the truth will win. This is because money and power could buy anything if the authorities who are in charge are all rotten. Hopefully, we'll be updated with this issue and really rooting for him to win because a money should be honored to whom it's due.

[panganib999]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

  Whether or not they win this case, the gambling house is already bound to lose a great percentage of their customers. The fact that the headlines imply they refuse to pay is already something that would not sound great to the people's ears. In a country like Nigeria, they could easily bribe their way out of the case and bag themselves a win, but this guy's bound to lose them a lot of potential gamblers in the process, so really, whatever they say inside and outside the court, I don't think the end's gonna sit well for them.

Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

Agreed, if any updates about this case could be made that will really be great for us who are keen at observing how this goes. Not only is this case a testament to how much power gambling companies have over your money once you clicked that deposit, but also how the justice system of Nigeria goes.

[Slow death]

I really do hope as well that the court will side on the supposedly winner of the lottery because he has already exerted a lot of time, effort, and money just to win this case.

all people when playing the lottery are given a ticket, probably that winner must have the ticket with him, but if the lottery result was not disclosed on social networks, it was not disclosed on TV and radio or newspapers or some other means of communication in which two or more people besides the winner have a visa to serve as witnesses, so it will be very difficult for the winner to prove anything, because the guys who will organize the lottery say that there is nothing in the system, if there is nothing in the system then there is just the winner's ticket, some proof will be needed and the only proof for the court of reason to the winner would be if he had some video showing that the guys who organized the lottery disclosed that that ticket he has was the winning ticket of the lottery , without proof the court will be unable to do anything

Justice system of the country in which OP is residing to also plays a great role in the outcome of this issue because if a country's justice system is fucked up, then there's a little chance that the one telling the truth will win. This is because money and power could buy anything if the authorities who are in charge are all rotten. Hopefully, we'll be updated with this issue and really rooting for him to win because a money should be honored to whom it's due.

in this case, I even believe that even if the company that organizes the lottery has a lot of power and manages to corrupt anyone, if that company, on the day that it was announcing the winner of the lottery, used means of communication such as: TV, Radio, social networks like instagram, twitter and facebook so the winner only needs to take a picture if it's social media or go look for a video on youtube if it was released on tv, if it's radio and it could be complicated to have the audio of the day of the announcement and in this part the company could corrupt the radio employees to delete everything, but they would not be able to corrupt it in court if the winner presents proof

[rahmad2nd]

Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

I follow the progress of this case. however, it seems that the Op did not proceed with the continuation of the trial results of the lottery winner's lawsuit.  So far, no new links or news.
However, despite this. I do not agree with you, before there is a decision from the court. we will never know whether or not it will affect the reputation of the lottery company. the reason is, this case happened in Nigeria, we don't know what really happened. it's good, we do not assume too far especially with the statement that the court can be bribed.
I think your statement is like the judge himself without knowing the real facts. so, just let the court will give its decision. let's just wait how this case goes, after the Op provides a new link about this case.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

I have heard a lot about Nigeria and the way in which some businesses can be managed, and if Nigeria is like that then it is not very far from the South American countries that also work under the same lens, it is curious to find courts where there are judges with a high sense of professional ethics, because they are all comparable, although in the country where I live, the high-ranking judges, I am talking about magistrates who do not give in to the requests of someone with a lot of power, simply kill him and make everything look as if he had committed suicide Or a common kid, that's how it is here, and the way it works here, I don't think Nigeria is very far away, and the only way to win a case quickly is to spend a lot of money, I think that's perhaps what is required if a system it's already corrupted.

[virasisog]

Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

I follow the progress of this case. however, it seems that the Op did not proceed with the continuation of the trial results of the lottery winner's lawsuit.  So far, no new links or news.
However, despite this. I do not agree with you, before there is a decision from the court. we will never know whether or not it will affect the reputation of the lottery company. the reason is, this case happened in Nigeria, we don't know what really happened. it's good, we do not assume too far especially with the statement that the court can be bribed.
I think your statement is like the judge himself without knowing the real facts. so, just let the court will give its decision. let's just wait how this case goes, after the Op provides a new link about this case.

Whatever the result would be, we can't deny the fact that it will still affect the trust rate of the said casino. Many players will have doubts and may switch to other casinos because of the fear that the same thing might happen to them. In case the accusation would be proven wrong, the site can rebuild their reputation again but it can't still erase the issue completely. If they will be proven guilty, they have to pay the higher cost of damages to the gambler.

[Slow death]

Whatever the result would be, we can't deny the fact that it will still affect the trust rate of the said casino.

the problem is that this is a case where there won't be much on TV channels, newspapers and radios so people just listen to this news for 1 or 2 days and then they forget about it all, and days later the game company starts advertising the lottery and people start buying tickets as if nothing had happened, and if there is a winner who has won a prize that is not high, the company will pay the winner and with that they discredit that person who won and was not paid , this is the disgusting scheme that companies from poor countries do because justice is very slow and ineffective

Many players will have doubts and may switch to other casinos because of the fear that the same thing might happen to them.

this is not a casino, it's just a company that keeps doing lottery draws, and as I said, people quickly forget, they must already be buying lottery tickets from the same company that is being accused by that person who was not paid, what justice system in poor countries is very slow, expensive and this lottery company has room to continue running its services as if nothing had happened

In case the accusation would be proven wrong

getting proof will be an almost impossible mission, I doubt he will get proof and get paid, this is yet another case that will end up forgotten by time

[safari88]

There are several situations known in which lotteries do not want to pay out. I don't remember which country it was, but there was once an organization that didn't want to pay out a jackpot because the organization couldn't write off a direct debit from a candidate. So officially it was not a lottery win, because he was not part of the program at that time. I believe that it even came to a court case, in which the organization was found in the right. That cost the customer millions of euros at the time. Justice or not?

[serjent05]

Whatever the result would be, we can't deny the fact that it will still affect the trust rate of the said casino.

the problem is that this is a case where there won't be much on TV channels, newspapers and radios so people just listen to this news for 1 or 2 days and then they forget about it all, and days later the game company starts advertising the lottery and people start buying tickets as if nothing had happened, and if there is a winner who has won a prize that is not high, the company will pay the winner and with that they discredit that person who won and was not paid , this is the disgusting scheme that companies from poor countries do because justice is very slow and ineffective

I believe the best thing for this case to be noticed is to tap known political personalities and ask for their help.  The politicians needs a lot of attention to have their ratings go up so I think the plan won't fail and probably it will be brought to the administrative level where the hearings is broadcast worldwide.  It is ok if the issue is forgotten after a month or two as long as the winner get his prize.

In case the accusation would be proven wrong

getting proof will be an almost impossible mission, I doubt he will get proof and get paid, this is yet another case that will end up forgotten by time

The deletion of the record itself is clear proof.  As long as the player has his ticket or receipt I believe he has a strong argument.

[bitcampaign]

it's hard to win a case if that happens to me of course I can't do anything when a lottery company doesn't want to pay my prize, because if I have to take this to court it won't make me win if I lose let alone don't have enough evidence maybe it could be eliminated by the owner of the lottery company, of course I will be sued for defamation, so I thought looking for a better lottery company would be very profitable and just let the cheating happen

[roslinpl]

Actually why you mentioned on the bribe at the judge side, it’s not an easy one. Most of the judges will not allow this, even in poor countries like Nigeria. It’s not an easy one, So many developing countries also had a good judge system. It’s seems like you had targeted the Nigerian it’s not a wise one. Lottery is not a legal in many countries, instead you can do the gambling for the lottery in the gambling sites. But the counter part to the argument is also their. Because the powerful political person and person who had rule in the country may be involved in backside gate of judgement from the judges.

[serjent05]

it's hard to win a case if that happens to me of course I can't do anything when a lottery company doesn't want to pay my prize, because if I have to take this to court it won't make me win if I lose let alone don't have enough evidence maybe it could be eliminated by the owner of the lottery company, of course I will be sued for defamation, so I thought looking for a better lottery company would be very profitable and just let the cheating happen

I believe it all depends on the evidence you can produce during the trial.  Most lotteries have a system that shows the winning ticket.  If you have that winning ticket, then, there is no doubt that you will win the case against the lottery company.  So what if the winning record is deleted?  Then that is more red flag to the lottery company.  As far as I know, the lottery owner and agent that had deleted its record had a lawsuit for money theft or robbery.

Actually why you mentioned on the bribe at the judge side, it’s not an easy one. Most of the judges will not allow this, even in poor countries like Nigeria. It’s not an easy one, So many developing countries also had a good judge system. It’s seems like you had targeted the Nigerian it’s not a wise one. Lottery is not a legal in many countries, instead you can do the gambling for the lottery in the gambling sites.

What makes the judge twist is when there is a powerful politician behind with a huge amount of money offering it often happens in every country.

[Lanatsa]

Actually why you mentioned on the bribe at the judge side, it’s not an easy one. Most of the judges will not allow this, even in poor countries like Nigeria. It’s not an easy one, So many developing countries also had a good judge system. It’s seems like you had targeted the Nigerian it’s not a wise one. Lottery is not a legal in many countries, instead you can do the gambling for the lottery in the gambling sites. But the counter part to the argument is also their. Because the powerful political person and person who had rule in the country may be involved in backside gate of judgement from the judges.

You cant really remove on someones mind about possible manipulation or under the table kind of transactions considering that it is really something that possible that could really happen.
This is why its not shocking that people would be having these kind of assumptions since these are also the probabilities.Yes, not all judges could really be bribed or something like this but not all
as we all know.

If a certain lottery site or program or something like this doesnt really pay up huge winning then it would really be involving some investigation or something like this
specially if it does involved huge amount.

[QueenVera]

I think OP needs to update the thread because I was really Intereted in this topic and to know how much was paid in compensation to the winner.
Someone spoke about the possibilities of the casino winning if the winner doesn't have much more to back his case and also getting a very intelligent legal practitioner then, there are heavy chances of the player losing his case to the betting platform and that would cause him so much especially.
After going through the links and stuffs like that, I believe that the player will win this case and get the betting company pay for damages and compensation as well.

[klidex]

Actually why you mentioned on the bribe at the judge side, it’s not an easy one. Most of the judges will not allow this, even in poor countries like Nigeria. It’s not an easy one, So many developing countries also had a good judge system. It’s seems like you had targeted the Nigerian it’s not a wise one. Lottery is not a legal in many countries, instead you can do the gambling for the lottery in the gambling sites. But the counter part to the argument is also their. Because the powerful political person and person who had rule in the country may be involved in backside gate of judgement from the judges.

You cant really remove on someones mind about possible manipulation or under the table kind of transactions considering that it is really something that possible that could really happen.
This is why its not shocking that people would be having these kind of assumptions since these are also the probabilities.Yes, not all judges could really be bribed or something like this but not all
as we all know.

If a certain lottery site or program or something like this doesnt really pay up huge winning then it would really be involving some investigation or something like this
specially if it does involved huge amount.

Yes, we really don't know whether manipulation and bribery of judges actually happened or not.
However, I think until now there will still be a lot of acts of bribery against judges because indeed transactions under the table have become something that is no longer surprising, although there are some people who don't believe in it and don't care about it.
However, if there are still judges who are willing to accept bribes and incidents like this continue to be carried out, justice will never be upheld.

Regarding lottery sites that don't really pay big wins, it will actually cause them to get into a number of problems such as reputation and loss of trust from bettors to the site and some investigations will definitely be carried out on the lottery site itself.

[acroman08]

I think OP needs to update the thread because I was really Intereted in this topic and to know how much was paid in compensation to the winner.

it seems like there is still no updated news about this. I searched around and found an article(quoted below) that was recently released but it is the same information that we got from the OP. anyway, it is possible that the complainant and the lottery have had a settlement in secret and were not covered by the media that's why we don't see an update.

Another celebrated court matter in the gaming environment this year was that of the lottery brand Green Lotto and its agent, Charles Akhenanen, dragged before the Lagos State High Court over its refusal to pay a businessman his winning sum of N72,700,000.

Green Lotto is promoted by Brentwood Multiservices Global Limited.

The complainant, led in evidence in chief by the state prosecuting counsel, Mrs Titilayo Olanrewaju-Daudu, said after collecting the money he won at Premier Lotto, he went to Green Lotto the next day to claim the N72,700,000 he won, but the firm refused to pay him. Explaining its position, Green Lotto stated that the claimant, Sunday Nwachukwu, engaged in irregularities.

[ethereumhunter]

I think OP needs to update the thread because I was really Intereted in this topic and to know how much was paid in compensation to the winner.
Someone spoke about the possibilities of the casino winning if the winner doesn't have much more to back his case and also getting a very intelligent legal practitioner then, there are heavy chances of the player losing his case to the betting platform and that would cause him so much especially.
After going through the links and stuffs like that, I believe that the player will win this case and get the betting company pay for damages and compensation as well.

If he can get a lawyer to help him solve his cases, he can win the case and get the casinos to pay the money. But we know the casino could have hired a better lawyer than that person because the casino must also have a legal team to solve the case. And if that were the case, that person would likely find it difficult to win him over. There is a possibility that the case is not resolved or even the case disappears and we will never know the truth.

[AicecreaME]

I think OP needs to update the thread because I was really Intereted in this topic and to know how much was paid in compensation to the winner.

it seems like there is still no updated news about this. I searched around and found an article(quoted below) that was recently released but it is the same information that we got from the OP. anyway, it is possible that the complainant and the lottery have had a settlement in secret and were not covered by the media that's why we don't see an update.

Another celebrated court matter in the gaming environment this year was that of the lottery brand Green Lotto and its agent, Charles Akhenanen, dragged before the Lagos State High Court over its refusal to pay a businessman his winning sum of N72,700,000.

Green Lotto is promoted by Brentwood Multiservices Global Limited.

The complainant, led in evidence in chief by the state prosecuting counsel, Mrs Titilayo Olanrewaju-Daudu, said after collecting the money he won at Premier Lotto, he went to Green Lotto the next day to claim the N72,700,000 he won, but the firm refused to pay him. Explaining its position, Green Lotto stated that the claimant, Sunday Nwachukwu, engaged in irregularities.

Indeed. There is still no update about this till today. I've looked at the thread and there's no single update of the OP on what happened to the case he's fighting for.

It really seems like they just met halfway to settle the issue once and for all, given the silence on the said issue. Although I really hope he never did because it is his right after all to get the exact winning prize since he got the exact combination. It's not his fault that their database got messed up right after the draw. They should always do their due diligence in every circumstances.

In addition, he has the proofs needed as he told way back then, to prove that he got the winning combination and really won the lottery. If these were authenticated in the court, the more reason he has to fight for it and the company to pay him his winnings.