A lottery's defense to not paying a huge winning.

[harizen]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Reading the article, we don't know how the lottery company defend their stand that the said winner is engaged in irregularities that's why they voided the winning. On the other hand, the said winner also defend his stand that he won fair and square.

The news just told us what generally happened in the court trial and we don't know who will be favored.

To win the case of course either by the lottery company or the complainant, both parties just need to provide all the necessary valid arguments with proof.

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[rahmad2nd]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Well, so this case is not simple. as reviewed by @earn0nVictor, in another thread without the link he shared as a reference. this case is quite complicated, let alone involving a large amount of money.
This case has quite the contrast to that told by the lottery winning claimants, and claims the Lagos Lottery Coy company. the lottery winning claimant said that he had been offered some money before he took it to court. if that's true, then there's a conspiracy here.

On the other hand, lottery companies claim that the winners are involved in fraud. after the matter has been brought to court.
but interestingly, the claimant has won the lottery before and was paid in full by the same lottery company in 2019.
meaning, the company also has a pretty good reputation.

if we get more detailed information, especially from the lottery companies as they say. then our assessment, will be even more objective with more detailed information.
So, this case will be proven in court later. if the lottery company can prove that the reporting party has committed irregularities, then the lottery party is not obliged to pay for the fake winnings.
however, if the lottery party cannot prove that the complainant committed irregularities, in addition to having to pay, they will also be faced with fines or worse, the company will be suspended.

[robelneo]

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

If there are irregularities then the lottery company is not obliged to pay but the company must prove beyond reasonable doubt that there are indeed irregularities, the lottery company has no right to not pay or even delay they are under strict supervision and regulated by the government institution, the people think there's corruption if the government will not do a fair investigation lottery company should not be allowed to operate if they are going to scam the general public.

[michellee]

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

[Darker45]

It will be up the court. But the decision will depend on the facts. The article didn't provide the facts of the case. Aside from alleging that the winner has used the same "terminals" where he also won before, it didn't specify what irregularities he is involved in which invalidated his games and, therefore, his winnings.

I'm particularly curious of the statement by the management of Green Lotto which claimed that they have earlier actually suspected the winner of certain irregularities in his play but paid him his winnings, nevertheless. That was in 2019. I wonder what were those suspicions and how they were addressed.

[Cling18]

It's better if they will provide concrete proof and evidence to support their accusations because it will be too unfair if the player is innocent and won't receive any payment from them. If they will not be able to prove it, then they are just making excuses. Their reputation and credibility will be hardly affected. They should be fair by any means and if the player is innocent, I hope he will get the justice and payment that he deserves.

[pawanjain]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

This seems weird because first the lottery company denies the payment by saying that the data has been wiped out.
Then they say that the user was involved in irregularities. The question to raise here is they said that the same user had won the lottery previously also.
If so then had the casino/company paid the user previously ? If yes then they can surely raise this concern against the user.
If the casino/company didn't pay the user previously also then we might raise the question against them for not paying the user.

[uneng]

Sorry, but the gambling company didn't mention any proofs of irregularities to justify their decision of not paying the winner. They simply claim the winner is a cheater and that they won't accept being blackmailed or bullied in order to pay the money.

Did you read the article? The matter was already in court.

Do you think a gambling company will win just by the statement in the court? Of course, they supported their claims. There are already several big wins that the company processed without a problem therefore there's really an issue with this alleged person involved.

Anyways, we just rely on what we read. We don't know the exact details of the case.

Yes, I read the article and didn't find any proofs to base their claims the gambler has cheated. It looks really strange to me, because if they know the gambler cheated they should have provided details to the article writer, so we could understand what is really happening, while maintaining their reputation on their country as gambling company.

And it will be even more strange if the court decides at their favour without further evidence exposed. I believe a court's decision isn't legit just because it was decided by authorities. There is a lot of corruption going on at the judiciary, especially in poor countries and especially when involving wealthy companies which deal with a lot of money.

[Frankolala]

This is a very serious case, from my understanding, I see that the Mr Nwachukwu understood the lotto game because if you check out he is always playing with confidence and he has been winning.

I guess Green Lotto are the ones that are manipulating the case because he don't want to accept their offer and has taken them to court. To deny all the accusations on them base on the three count charge. This is the reason why they came up with irregularities issues that he is a cheat.

If it was true that Mr Nwachukwu was cheating some how why where they giving him different sum of money at two different time. They would have told him he is a cheat.

[South Park]

so they claim that the winner was cheating, If they can prove that he was cheating I think they'll win the case but if not then I think the complainant will win the case. but I am a little suspicious of the lottery company because in another article you shared, they claim that the machine was faulty and offered the complainant money as some type of compensation (I think) on three seperate occasions.

That is without a doubt shady, besides the moment they admitted that they could not find the winning data in their system but still wanted to pay a lesser sum to the winner then their statements became way more difficult to trust, since how can we tell that the information they have is accurate or was not fabricated to try to not pay the winner? So at least for what I can read so far I will side with the gambler and the lottery will have to go out of their way to prove they are right.

[DoublerHunter]

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

^Definitely right and it is indeed about the credibility they have, people who will know about this case will lose confidence to buy tickets and trust them and it could be the reason to shut down their company. I feel that in this case is too familiar with any centralized platform which doing a shady activity, they are selectively scamming their people those who have a large amount balance. This is not a lottery defense or any excuse, it is clearly scamming their people and accusing them of possible violations as long as the big winnings won't come out.

[Saint-loup]

This is a very serious case, from my understanding, I see that the Mr Nwachukwu understood the lotto game because if you check out he is always playing with confidence and he has been winning.

I guess Green Lotto are the ones that are manipulating the case because he don't want to accept their offer and has taken them to court. To deny all the accusations on them base on the three count charge. This is the reason why they came up with irregularities issues that he is a cheat.

If it was true that Mr Nwachukwu was cheating some how why where they giving him different sum of money at two different time. They would have told him he is a cheat.

I agree with you, accusing the customer of irregularities, is the most convenient and common argument from gambling companies to deny paying winnings to the players. We can see that every week in the scam accusation section. But it's not the player who made the game, the burden to make a game safe and clean without uncertainty is on the gambling company. If the customer has been able to commit irregularities then it shows there are deficiencies in the game. I hope one day all those games will be provably fair and will use smart contracts to pay the winners.

[goinmerry]

The only thing we can do here is to speculate.

Since we don't know if the lottery really provides all the support evidence that the man cheats while on the other hand, we are not even sure if the man is really true to his words, we can't say who's the right between them.

Maybe someone can put up another source or link about what happened on this case.

[Saisher]

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They must prove that there are irregularities and it should be beyond doubt it should be under the government commission and it should be transparent if they cannot come out with a fair finding then their license should be revoked, all lotteries are under government regulation to avoid fraud because the trust of the betting public is at stake here even if the case is already in court the government should also conduct its own finding.

[Scripture]

Winning the second time around is not irregular that lottery company intended not to pay the winner and their excuse is not convincing. I'm sure the court will not listen to that statement but of course if they have the proof about then irregularity they have to present it to the court and the winner have to explain it as well.

[chaser15]

Winning the second time around is not irregular that lottery company intended not to pay the winner and their excuse is not convincing. I'm sure the court will not listen to that statement but of course if they have the proof about then irregularity they have to present it to the court and the winner have to explain it as well.

That's the information we need to know, what evidences or proofs that already being showed to the court.

We are clueless if those proofs can be considered as crap and not convincing.

But I can't believe that a popular lottery will ruin their reputation on a case like that if their security really detects irregularities on that particular winning.

[Baofeng]

As what the court will rule, give us the proof that some irregularities has happen here before making the final decision. So as this point we really don't know who are telling truth.

But as far as I know, there are people that are extremely lucky or may have developed a system that they can win multiple times in a lottery. So this might be the case here, the guy could be very lucky indeed if he has won multiple times already and so the lottery company has to pay him his winnings.

[fortunecrypto]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Reading the article, we don't know how the lottery company defend their stand that the said winner is engaged in irregularities that's why they voided the winning. On the other hand, the said winner also defend his stand that he won fair and square.

The news just told us what generally happened in the court trial and we don't know who will be favored.

To win the case of course either by the lottery company or the complainant, both parties just need to provide all the necessary valid arguments with proof.

People's trust in the lottery will be diminished they already have two cases based on the article, the lottery company should have a good case because if the complainant won the case that will tarnish the image of the lottery company, gambling like a lottery depends on people's trust they should prove that they have the right decision not to pay cheaters they send a strong signal that they cannot be bribe by cheaters but they must also prove that they are a legit lottery company and will pay real winners even if it involves a huge amount of money.

[ethereumhunter]

How can the company not pay out winnings to players who legally played the game and won a lot of money? Moreover, the reason given by the company is absurd because the winning data has been deleted from their system.

If the player's victory is not due to cheating, the company should not do anything strange and must pay the winning money unless the company is cheating or does not have the winning money. I doubt that the winning players can get their winnings easily, especially if you look at what the company has done. But hopefully, the winner can get justice.

[Wexnident]

Casinos should be legally able to prevent the winnings from a bet to being given if the winner indeed used irregular or illegal means to win the said bet, however, if it was simply because of missing data (which is the issue in the thread OP linked), then it's the casino at fault 100%. Otherwise, they can simply just remove or heck, not even record ALL wins after a certain amount so that it can be null and voided. If the winner has his records on his side and can be thoroughly validated (aka not being manipulated), then I'm pretty sure they should be able to win the case.

Not to mention it's rather irregular for a lottery, a company, to not even have a method or practice of producing backups for their records. They should have the record imo, or they intentionally deleted it together with the original, which I reckon should have some traces.