A lottery's defense to not paying a huge winning.

[Obari]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

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[coin-investor]

If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

For a company to be in charge in court on denying payment is not good for its reputation and the name will be further damaged if they are found guilty of denying payment, the government should step in to check if this company is holding its lottery in a fair manner.

[Yogee]

...What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I think attacking the winner and accusing him of irregular activities is just their way of saving face. The lottery company tried to compromise and asked to pay the winner with a lesser amount. That alone should tell us that they know they did something wrong or that their system was messed up. Let's leave the result of the case to the court.

[Oilacris]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What irregularities that they do mean? Have they able to specify on how or whats been done by the said bettor? or simply its just an alibi for them not to pay off those winnings?

Its true that recently there are indeed topics or issues in relation with lottery winners which hadn't been paid which do really sucks on the ones who had experienced in.

They shouldn't have run a lottery if they cant really pay off those winners or give on what they do own or won.Legal aspect? If possible then you
could eventually sue them out and force them for you to pay and lets see on how they would be making those countermeasure or reasoning they would be making.

[acroman08]

so they claim that the winner was cheating, If they can prove that he was cheating I think they'll win the case but if not then I think the complainant will win the case. but I am a little suspicious of the lottery company because in another article you shared, they claim that the machine was faulty and offered the complainant money as some type of compensation (I think) on three seperate occasions.

[GxSTxV]

Everything is obvious with the story and it’s not the first time these companies do it even they know that eventually one will win the lottery, they should pay the winner without any issue and create a good reputation also just as an investment for their side. Playing dirty games against the winner will only harm their name and will lose any participation anymore. It’s hard to understand how these kind of people moderating lottery

[Rruchi man]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I don't know if the stories of lottery or gambling platforms making excuses not to pay out huge winnings to people is becoming more or that they have always been happening and it is me who have not been up to date with them, because I've been reading a lot of stories recently about similar situations. This can be really bad for the image of the lottery company and the image of lottery companies in general if this sort of issues are ruled in favour of the online lottery platforms.

[livingfree]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Let's just think that the lottery company is honest, first, they'll have to look at every angle of that win if it's a clear shot and the winner really deserves it.

If they do conduct an investigation just to prove the clear winning numbers and bet of that winner, they'll give it eventually once they're done with that investigation and background.

As long as there's no glitch or error has happened, they'll give it. But the problem is, these companies that don't want to give the winnings, they can reason about such if they don't want to give it.

[PX-Z]

A company refusing to pay the full winning amount and then later on offering smaller amount when the claimant decided to go to court is really something suspicious. That means that they want to pay him and just making excuses that their system developed faults etc.

About the question, a win is a win, having system error is not an excuse to not to pay, like its not the user's fault if the system made an error its them the company and they need to fix it and aware the amount to the winning user.

Court will always asked enough evidence from defendant regarding the claims of the people who complaint, if the defendant cannot make enough evidence, witness, then the complainant wins.

[n0ne]

It is the winners fate to undergo such kind of situation. The win is clear, if not he couldn't be contacted by the authority with some bargain. Finally the authorities will try to bribe the judiciary and win the case against the lottery winner. Whether it is huge winning or low, it is a must to settle the winner so to keep its reputation. It looks like the platform is with plans of running away closing its service at the earliest.

[uneng]

Sorry, but the gambling company didn't mention any proofs of irregularities to justify their decision of not paying the winner. They simply claim the winner is a cheater and that they won't accept being blackmailed or bullied in order to pay the money.

In my opinion that is a very disgusting approach by the casino which only reinforces the winner gambler's side.

[dothebeats]

Isn't this the same topic wherein the company is trying to pay less than what the winnings are? If there is an attempt to pay the winner with less the amount that they should have, it means that the lottery company somehow recognizes the win but cannot pay the prize in full. There already is the gesture but they just can't shoulder the $160,000 win. Probably just them trying to cheat the winner by settling with a lower amount.

Hopefully the winner never gets tired of pursuing this case because he obviously has a lot of reasons to get this case in his favor.

[chaser15]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Obviously, if there are irregularities, the winnings can't be claimed. I think the lottery itself has valid reasons that are clearly pointed out by the authorities.

It's now up to the judge handling the case to release the decision.

Sorry, but the gambling company didn't mention any proofs of irregularities to justify their decision of not paying the winner. They simply claim the winner is a cheater and that they won't accept being blackmailed or bullied in order to pay the money.

Did you read the article? The matter was already in court.

Do you think a gambling company will win just by the statement in the court? Of course, they supported their claims. There are already several big wins that the company processed without a problem therefore there's really an issue with this alleged person involved.

Anyways, we just rely on what we read. We don't know the exact details of the case.

[noormcs5]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Well, I think that the lottery company is not willing to pay the winner and they are finding different excuses to prove themselves right. Yes, there could be irregulated on the player's behalf but chances are slim for that. The sad thing is that we will never know who was right, the gambling house (lottery company in this case), or the person who won the lottery.

These days, I am hearing these kinds of stories often that the gamblers are denied their payments. Not good for the gambling industry indeed as it will raise concerns about the trust on the gambling houses.

[alegotardo]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I believe there are many factors that need to be analyzed.
Among them, I highlight the ones that would be most important...

First and most obvious is the reputation of this site, are there any past cases of problems involving this same casino? How were they resolved?

Assuming they are honest, the second point to watch would be financial health, do they have money to pay what they owe?

Third, but not least, is to know if the player's complaint is really legitimate and if in fact he has not committed any wrongdoing.

[kotajikikox]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

they may win or not? the truth is this will reflect to that company's reputation and in the long run will ruin their business , maybe in  reality they will win the case and the players will suffer but in  the end? they will lose reputation and the bettors will transfer to other company not unless this gambling business is run by government that will take effect the case and popularity .

[adzino]

That is not called "defense", it is called scamming. If the casino denies to pay the winners and find excuses not to pay, then the casino is scamming their players. I doubt a legit casino would do anything like this because all it would do is hurt their reputation. They would be making more if they stay legit.

If the casino thinks that there are "irregularities" and the player is cheating, then the casino should show them the proof and confiscate the funds. If they can't prove what they are accusing the player of, they should pay the player.

[piebeyb]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

depending on which country you live in sometimes the law can be bought with money and money has the power to determine who is right and who is wrong, if this happened in my country and the lottery company spent $20k to bribe i think they would easily win the case , because $160k is not a small amount of money, but let's see the results later if it is proven that the lottery company is cheating obviously it will be a bad image for other lottery companies but if indeed the lottery winner is proven to have committed fraud of course he will accept the consequences

[Daltonik]

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What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Well, they could also refer to the facts from the movie "Jerry & Marge go large", which apparently someone watched from the lottery organizers. Seriously, the organizing company has much wider opportunities to win in this case than the player, and they can always refer to some point of their rules that they think has been violated. That's just the whole scandal is unlikely to benefit them because of their damaged reputation.

[Strongkored]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Need for further clarification, so this is the same case as the first thread? and this is just like an update that the gambling company is now accusing players of cheating so they can get this big win?
As far as I read the news from the first thread that this case has gone to court and of course the casino must defend to be able to win the case and accuse players of cheating is something that many casinos do but if it can't be proven then the player will win this claim
But what should be a concern is whether the judiciary there is honest enough or it is also filled with corrupt people who can win the casino because they have received bribes even though the casino does not provide evidence of player cheating.
Moreover, wouldn't it be better to just create one thread to discuss the same case, or else you lock the first thread so it's not like multiple threads

[harizen]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Reading the article, we don't know how the lottery company defend their stand that the said winner is engaged in irregularities that's why they voided the winning. On the other hand, the said winner also defend his stand that he won fair and square.

The news just told us what generally happened in the court trial and we don't know who will be favored.

To win the case of course either by the lottery company or the complainant, both parties just need to provide all the necessary valid arguments with proof.

[rahmad2nd]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Well, so this case is not simple. as reviewed by @earn0nVictor, in another thread without the link he shared as a reference. this case is quite complicated, let alone involving a large amount of money.
This case has quite the contrast to that told by the lottery winning claimants, and claims the Lagos Lottery Coy company. the lottery winning claimant said that he had been offered some money before he took it to court. if that's true, then there's a conspiracy here.

On the other hand, lottery companies claim that the winners are involved in fraud. after the matter has been brought to court.
but interestingly, the claimant has won the lottery before and was paid in full by the same lottery company in 2019.
meaning, the company also has a pretty good reputation.

if we get more detailed information, especially from the lottery companies as they say. then our assessment, will be even more objective with more detailed information.
So, this case will be proven in court later. if the lottery company can prove that the reporting party has committed irregularities, then the lottery party is not obliged to pay for the fake winnings.
however, if the lottery party cannot prove that the complainant committed irregularities, in addition to having to pay, they will also be faced with fines or worse, the company will be suspended.

[robelneo]

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

If there are irregularities then the lottery company is not obliged to pay but the company must prove beyond reasonable doubt that there are indeed irregularities, the lottery company has no right to not pay or even delay they are under strict supervision and regulated by the government institution, the people think there's corruption if the government will not do a fair investigation lottery company should not be allowed to operate if they are going to scam the general public.

[michellee]

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

[Darker45]

It will be up the court. But the decision will depend on the facts. The article didn't provide the facts of the case. Aside from alleging that the winner has used the same "terminals" where he also won before, it didn't specify what irregularities he is involved in which invalidated his games and, therefore, his winnings.

I'm particularly curious of the statement by the management of Green Lotto which claimed that they have earlier actually suspected the winner of certain irregularities in his play but paid him his winnings, nevertheless. That was in 2019. I wonder what were those suspicions and how they were addressed.

[Cling18]

It's better if they will provide concrete proof and evidence to support their accusations because it will be too unfair if the player is innocent and won't receive any payment from them. If they will not be able to prove it, then they are just making excuses. Their reputation and credibility will be hardly affected. They should be fair by any means and if the player is innocent, I hope he will get the justice and payment that he deserves.

[pawanjain]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

This seems weird because first the lottery company denies the payment by saying that the data has been wiped out.
Then they say that the user was involved in irregularities. The question to raise here is they said that the same user had won the lottery previously also.
If so then had the casino/company paid the user previously ? If yes then they can surely raise this concern against the user.
If the casino/company didn't pay the user previously also then we might raise the question against them for not paying the user.

[uneng]

Sorry, but the gambling company didn't mention any proofs of irregularities to justify their decision of not paying the winner. They simply claim the winner is a cheater and that they won't accept being blackmailed or bullied in order to pay the money.

Did you read the article? The matter was already in court.

Do you think a gambling company will win just by the statement in the court? Of course, they supported their claims. There are already several big wins that the company processed without a problem therefore there's really an issue with this alleged person involved.

Anyways, we just rely on what we read. We don't know the exact details of the case.

Yes, I read the article and didn't find any proofs to base their claims the gambler has cheated. It looks really strange to me, because if they know the gambler cheated they should have provided details to the article writer, so we could understand what is really happening, while maintaining their reputation on their country as gambling company.

And it will be even more strange if the court decides at their favour without further evidence exposed. I believe a court's decision isn't legit just because it was decided by authorities. There is a lot of corruption going on at the judiciary, especially in poor countries and especially when involving wealthy companies which deal with a lot of money.

[Frankolala]

This is a very serious case, from my understanding, I see that the Mr Nwachukwu understood the lotto game because if you check out he is always playing with confidence and he has been winning.

I guess Green Lotto are the ones that are manipulating the case because he don't want to accept their offer and has taken them to court. To deny all the accusations on them base on the three count charge. This is the reason why they came up with irregularities issues that he is a cheat.

If it was true that Mr Nwachukwu was cheating some how why where they giving him different sum of money at two different time. They would have told him he is a cheat.

[South Park]

so they claim that the winner was cheating, If they can prove that he was cheating I think they'll win the case but if not then I think the complainant will win the case. but I am a little suspicious of the lottery company because in another article you shared, they claim that the machine was faulty and offered the complainant money as some type of compensation (I think) on three seperate occasions.

That is without a doubt shady, besides the moment they admitted that they could not find the winning data in their system but still wanted to pay a lesser sum to the winner then their statements became way more difficult to trust, since how can we tell that the information they have is accurate or was not fabricated to try to not pay the winner? So at least for what I can read so far I will side with the gambler and the lottery will have to go out of their way to prove they are right.

[DoublerHunter]

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

^Definitely right and it is indeed about the credibility they have, people who will know about this case will lose confidence to buy tickets and trust them and it could be the reason to shut down their company. I feel that in this case is too familiar with any centralized platform which doing a shady activity, they are selectively scamming their people those who have a large amount balance. This is not a lottery defense or any excuse, it is clearly scamming their people and accusing them of possible violations as long as the big winnings won't come out.

[Saint-loup]

This is a very serious case, from my understanding, I see that the Mr Nwachukwu understood the lotto game because if you check out he is always playing with confidence and he has been winning.

I guess Green Lotto are the ones that are manipulating the case because he don't want to accept their offer and has taken them to court. To deny all the accusations on them base on the three count charge. This is the reason why they came up with irregularities issues that he is a cheat.

If it was true that Mr Nwachukwu was cheating some how why where they giving him different sum of money at two different time. They would have told him he is a cheat.

I agree with you, accusing the customer of irregularities, is the most convenient and common argument from gambling companies to deny paying winnings to the players. We can see that every week in the scam accusation section. But it's not the player who made the game, the burden to make a game safe and clean without uncertainty is on the gambling company. If the customer has been able to commit irregularities then it shows there are deficiencies in the game. I hope one day all those games will be provably fair and will use smart contracts to pay the winners.

[goinmerry]

The only thing we can do here is to speculate.

Since we don't know if the lottery really provides all the support evidence that the man cheats while on the other hand, we are not even sure if the man is really true to his words, we can't say who's the right between them.

Maybe someone can put up another source or link about what happened on this case.

[Saisher]

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They must prove that there are irregularities and it should be beyond doubt it should be under the government commission and it should be transparent if they cannot come out with a fair finding then their license should be revoked, all lotteries are under government regulation to avoid fraud because the trust of the betting public is at stake here even if the case is already in court the government should also conduct its own finding.

[Scripture]

Winning the second time around is not irregular that lottery company intended not to pay the winner and their excuse is not convincing. I'm sure the court will not listen to that statement but of course if they have the proof about then irregularity they have to present it to the court and the winner have to explain it as well.

[chaser15]

Winning the second time around is not irregular that lottery company intended not to pay the winner and their excuse is not convincing. I'm sure the court will not listen to that statement but of course if they have the proof about then irregularity they have to present it to the court and the winner have to explain it as well.

That's the information we need to know, what evidences or proofs that already being showed to the court.

We are clueless if those proofs can be considered as crap and not convincing.

But I can't believe that a popular lottery will ruin their reputation on a case like that if their security really detects irregularities on that particular winning.

[Baofeng]

As what the court will rule, give us the proof that some irregularities has happen here before making the final decision. So as this point we really don't know who are telling truth.

But as far as I know, there are people that are extremely lucky or may have developed a system that they can win multiple times in a lottery. So this might be the case here, the guy could be very lucky indeed if he has won multiple times already and so the lottery company has to pay him his winnings.

[fortunecrypto]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Reading the article, we don't know how the lottery company defend their stand that the said winner is engaged in irregularities that's why they voided the winning. On the other hand, the said winner also defend his stand that he won fair and square.

The news just told us what generally happened in the court trial and we don't know who will be favored.

To win the case of course either by the lottery company or the complainant, both parties just need to provide all the necessary valid arguments with proof.

People's trust in the lottery will be diminished they already have two cases based on the article, the lottery company should have a good case because if the complainant won the case that will tarnish the image of the lottery company, gambling like a lottery depends on people's trust they should prove that they have the right decision not to pay cheaters they send a strong signal that they cannot be bribe by cheaters but they must also prove that they are a legit lottery company and will pay real winners even if it involves a huge amount of money.

[ethereumhunter]

How can the company not pay out winnings to players who legally played the game and won a lot of money? Moreover, the reason given by the company is absurd because the winning data has been deleted from their system.

If the player's victory is not due to cheating, the company should not do anything strange and must pay the winning money unless the company is cheating or does not have the winning money. I doubt that the winning players can get their winnings easily, especially if you look at what the company has done. But hopefully, the winner can get justice.

[Wexnident]

Casinos should be legally able to prevent the winnings from a bet to being given if the winner indeed used irregular or illegal means to win the said bet, however, if it was simply because of missing data (which is the issue in the thread OP linked), then it's the casino at fault 100%. Otherwise, they can simply just remove or heck, not even record ALL wins after a certain amount so that it can be null and voided. If the winner has his records on his side and can be thoroughly validated (aka not being manipulated), then I'm pretty sure they should be able to win the case.

Not to mention it's rather irregular for a lottery, a company, to not even have a method or practice of producing backups for their records. They should have the record imo, or they intentionally deleted it together with the original, which I reckon should have some traces.

[QueenVera]

From the story, I think the company isn't wanting to pay the winner because he won some huge amount in the past year (2019) and now another heavy winning from same betting outlet, which to an extent called for an alarm to them..
I guess that lottery company, has forgotten in a hurry that it is of a very bad reputation for the company to be facing a non payment charges in the court against them, and I guess they might lose lot of customers if care isn't take this time.
They talked about irregularities, but never mentioned in details what it entailed, as I don't really see the possibilities of irregularities in playing a game of uncertainty and prediction.
The game was played with big amount ($690), so the winning shouldn't be shocking to them.
If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

The case is already in the court, and I hope the player wins as the company could easily just pay the judge and the case to their favour.

[nakamura12]

They will surely lose the trust of their players if they continue what they do even though the player won fairly and they didn't even provide any proof of what they say about irregularities that will prove that the player is cheating on their company to win huge amount. If they can't provide then they are making excuses so that they won't be able to pay the winnings and I am sure they will be exposed sooner or later that the lottery company is a shady one.

[piebeyb]

If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

logically yes they might want the problem to be solved without having to spend a lot of money by paying $23k and $29k and without having to go through legal channels, it looks like they will spend a lot of money to solve this case at the legal table

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Sorry, but the gambling company didn't mention any proofs of irregularities to justify their decision of not paying the winner. They simply claim the winner is a cheater and that they won't accept being blackmailed or bullied in order to pay the money.

In my opinion that is a very disgusting approach by the casino which only reinforces the winner gambler's side.

I think the same.

Winning the second time around is not irregular that lottery company intended not to pay the winner and their excuse is not convincing. I'm sure the court will not listen to that statement but of course if they have the proof about then irregularity they have to present it to the court and the winner have to explain it as well.

That, although statistically improbable, is not impossible. It has happened in Spain recently with the Euromillions:

He wins the EuroMillions for the second time in two years: "I can't believe it".

(translated from Spanish into English)

As the person concerned is a businessman, he probably plays a lot of lotteries and plays large amounts. I know someone like that, who buys thousands of euros in the Christmas lottery, and a couple of years ago he won 240,000 euros.

[serjent05]

If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

Take note, it is a lottery.  If there is irregularities within the bet, it isn't the bettor's fault why not investigate their own staff about it.  Not because the winner of the previous months raffle is from that outlet, the next winner shouldn't be on the same outlet.  That reasoning is absurd and made me think that lottery game result is already known even before the raffle and that outlet is leaking the information or having someone to bet that number in their outlet.  There can be lots of conspiracy theories that we can create from here.

About denying a win because the system is wiped out, that is the dumbest reason I ever heard.  It is obvious that they don't want to pay the winner and possibly wanted to pocket the prize money.

If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

They wanted to silence the victim by paying him.  If the victim accepts the payment then the case is settled and they can indulge themselves in pocketing the winning prize money.

[Fatunad]

If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

logically yes they might want the problem to be solved without having to spend a lot of money by paying $23k and $29k and without having to go through legal channels, it looks like they will spend a lot of money to solve this case at the legal table

spend a lot of money to settle at the legal desk that's for sure. because the lottery party may be vehemently unwilling to pay the gambler's big winnings and be willing to spend money to bribe some police or court of law to win at the justice table.
it is possible for the lottery to spend 23k or 29k to pay the police or legal experts to help deny the gambler's winnings for any reason.
but i hope the gambler will win at the court table

One of the probabilities that you should consider out when taking up some legal actions towards those lottery owners/management which you cant really put a good damn fight since bribery could really be possible
on these cases and since they are really that financially capable then its anticipated that they would really be making under the table kind of negotiations which would really be a huge disadvantage for you or
you would be ending up on spending up money on hearings + lawyers fees or something  that in correlated which would really be putting up much expenses which is something that neither you could bare up or
not.So its not always a good idea on taking up legal actions directly if the said winning isnt really that too much for you to mind on.

[Viscore]

...What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I think attacking the winner and accusing him of irregular activities is just their way of saving face. The lottery company tried to compromise and asked to pay the winner with a lesser amount. That alone should tell us that they know they did something wrong or that their system was messed up. Let's leave the result of the case to the court.

If the lottery company has its valid reasons and that the player has bet illegally, then the court will favor them. But if the court find out that the lottery itself has done something that is against the rules, then it’s a clear manifestation that the lottery company is not performing legally, so they should be given proper sanction on it and might be even force to closure once proven guilty. However, the player has also the right to claim his huge winning after the lottery company has proven guilty.

[michellee]

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

^Definitely right and it is indeed about the credibility they have, people who will know about this case will lose confidence to buy tickets and trust them and it could be the reason to shut down their company. I feel that in this case is too familiar with any centralized platform which doing a shady activity, they are selectively scamming their people those who have a large amount balance. This is not a lottery defense or any excuse, it is clearly scamming their people and accusing them of possible violations as long as the big winnings won't come out.

And hopefully, no one will defend the company, especially if this has been going on for a long time so people will know better that the company is not trustworthy and that they should leave it for their own good. I think many other gambling companies have better credibility than that company. And this is a lesson for those people always to use a company that won't cheat them. Hopefully, no more people will be fooled by that company.

[qwertyup23]

.....
The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

A case like this should be investigated and studied carefully- the gambling company alleged that the person faced irregularities but they have to lay all the evidence against the winner.

Since the gambling company was the one who claimed that the winner had irregularities, the burden of showing the evidence to substantiate this claim falls on them and not on the winner. Like what one has mentioned, the fact that the gambling company also offered to pay a compromise agreement somehow implies this admission against their original claim.

[Renampun]

...

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

This is the reason why you shouldn't just place the lottery easily, there are many fake lottery companies that refuse to pay big winning winners.

the odds for the lottery company not paying out are huge, they use a logical fallacy trick, they say you did something fraudulent and with that claim, they win the lawsuit and you lose.

nowadays there are many conventional lottery companies and even trusted crypto lottery companies, just leave the lottery companies that refuse to pay their winners, it is possible if you win they will do the same to you (not pay you).

[molsewid]

spend a lot of money to settle at the legal desk that's for sure. because the lottery party may be vehemently unwilling to pay the gambler's big winnings and be willing to spend money to bribe some police or court of law to win at the justice table.
it is possible for the lottery to spend 23k or 29k to pay the police or legal experts to help deny the gambler's winnings for any reason.
but i hope the gambler will win at the court table

Yes, I think the lottery outlet is just making an issue about this they just don't want to pay for the lucky winner, they are also looking for some things that will help them to save face. They also thought that saying that the lottery outlet is making an excuse it is all lie.

[jostorres]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I don't know if the stories of lottery or gambling platforms making excuses not to pay out huge winnings to people is becoming more or that they have always been happening and it is me who have not been up to date with them, because I've been reading a lot of stories recently about similar situations. This can be really bad for the image of the lottery company and the image of lottery companies in general if this sort of issues are ruled in favour of the online lottery platforms.

Pretty sure that this wasn't the first one and it will continue to happen now that gambling are now gaining a momentum. That's also because many lottery sites will open and not all of it are trustworthy. Scammers will think of different ways to scam and one of it is by creating a lottery site.

Gambling won't be completed without the players and we all know that not all players are fair but some are also scammers or hackers. Once they got caught, they will still make an alibi and will try to fight the complaint in the court. This doesn't affect the image of other lottery sites even if the lottery site is proven guilty as long as they are not related.

[Casdinyard]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

 

For one, the case is already served in the court awaiting judgement and the proprietary sanctions. But guessing the argument of the defendant which is the lottery company, I believe that the plaintiff has a good chance of getting his reparations. The fact that they are basically accusing the player of irregularities which practically means they are accusing the player of cheating, and then stating that the winner couldn't get his prize because there was a system wipeout is just too fishy for me. And even if they do win against him, they'd be dubbed as the lottery company who wouldn't pay their winners so it's gonna be detrimental to their reputation.

[Sandra_hakeem]

What's this shit I'm hearing??
So getting through a game twice, with a huge win means I'm not gonna get paid for it?? Is there a limit to a win that a user gets every 2,3, 4 years as the case might be? I don't understand.
Now they're backing up themselves in court to establish a fact that it should be the NORMS? Hmmm. They must have paid a huge cash to those juries if they get supported as that's not even one of their T/C's. Irregularities? What sort? If it's gonna go down the normal way, then that casino would pay the designated funds and also pay for damages and time wasted. I understand that they've had alot of losses that doesn't commensurate with their profits; one of which is Mega.

Sandra 💇

[Zlantann]

If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

logically yes they might want the problem to be solved without having to spend a lot of money by paying $23k and $29k and without having to go through legal channels, it looks like they will spend a lot of money to solve this case at the legal table

If the gambler have lost $1m on gambling, would they have negotiated with him and refunded some of his losses? Their claim that there are some irregularities in the gambling process is false because they are trying to negotiate the payment sum. They should have had limits to the amount one can bet if they don't have enough funds as capital. If they want an out of court settlement then they should pay the winner his money because they might have to pay for damages if the gambler wins the case (which likely).

That is why it is advisable to use gambling firms that are renowned, well managed and fully registered. The gambling firm is not well funded and managed, that is why it couldn't pay the client. And if it the firm was not registered, the client wouldn't have be able to seek redress in court, they would have closed the gambling firm because of this big win.  

[Yatsan]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I have read the article and the lottery has their side. It is simple, they resued to give the reward because they are doubting winner's betting behavior whether he cheated or not. The lottery only has to prove their claim against that man. However if they won't be able to provide strong evidence, then they have to pay the player. Doubting is normal given that they are just taking care of their business but atleast be fair. Let things go through the right process.

What's this shit I'm hearing??
So getting through a game twice, with a huge win means I'm not gonna get paid for it?? Is there a limit to a win that a user gets every 2,3, 4 years as the case might be? I don't understand.
Now they're backing up themselves in court to establish a fact that it should be the NORMS? Hmmm. They must have paid a huge cash to those juries if they get supported as that's not even one of their T/C's. Irregularities? What sort? If it's gonna go down the normal way, then that casino would pay the designated funds and also pay for damages and time wasted. I understand that they've had alot of losses that doesn't commensurate with their profits; one of which is Mega.

Sandra 💇

If ever they do so, that would be unfortunate. And on my end it is a weak claim they are throwing to the bettor because they are just suspiscious of that man. Provide evidence that the guy really cheated. Wiped out data is not a valid reason for sure there would be chance to recover if it is unintended but if it is, that would be the conflict of that man's end. I do hope that this case would be treated with equality on both ends. Gamblers are allowed to win as many times as they want as long as they are actually winning it. Might be luck or what, but they deserve to be paid if there are no proven cheating behaviors.

[Finestream]

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

If in the end the court will favor the complainant, automatically the company will lost its own reputation and will definitely lost a lot of potential players that bring so much profits into their own company. However, if the result will be bias, seeing the possibility that they can pay the court on such a huge offer. But if you are a responsible gambler, the fact that you know already that the said company has already been accused and has been sued, then it’s no longer credible and reliable of your trust.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I just finished reading the news and from their last statement, which is...



I dont think green lotto is ready to pay the said Nwachukwu his winning, green lotto just said they discovered irregularities in the game Nwachukwu played, they should go ahead and mention the irregularities to the court as well as the general public, both the court and the general public will know, see and judge the matter fairly, without doing this, I don't think they have any evidence to back their claim that Nwachukwu cheated, and without evidence, they are likely to loose the case..
This is just my assumption or better still, imagination, i will pay attention going forward to watch things unfold.

[seoincorporation]

If in the end the court will favor the complainant, automatically the company will lost its own reputation and will definitely lost a lot of potential players that bring so much profits into their own company. However, if the result will be bias, seeing the possibility that they can pay the court on such a huge offer. But if you are a responsible gambler, the fact that you know already that the said company has already been accused and has been sued, then it’s no longer credible and reliable of your trust.

That's true, it will lose it's reputation, but sadly if the company wins they will keep operating and they will avoid paying more wins like this one just because the court is cheaper than paying to the user.

If the company doesn't pay to the winner, then they will instantly become an scam, and that's a crime everywhere, so, they should be stopped by the gov before they avoid to pay again.

[serjent05]

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

If in the end the court will favor the complainant, automatically the company will lost its own reputation and will definitely lost a lot of potential players that bring so much profits into their own company. However, if the result will be bias, seeing the possibility that they can pay the court on such a huge offer. But if you are a responsible gambler, the fact that you know already that the said company has already been accused and has been sued, then it’s no longer credible and reliable of your trust.

Corrupt managers don't care for the reputation of their company, all they care about is how much money they will get for every event and the drawing of winners.  I believe after this case is won by the complainant, the company will sue the manager involved in that fiasco.  That is if the owner is not involved or they are looking for a scapegoat.  Regardless of whether it is the manager's fault due to corruption, the company is bound to give the money to the winner.

Indeed it will be a huge loss for the company in both money, reputation, and players.

[South Park]

How can the company not pay out winnings to players who legally played the game and won a lot of money? Moreover, the reason given by the company is absurd because the winning data has been deleted from their system.

If the player's victory is not due to cheating, the company should not do anything strange and must pay the winning money unless the company is cheating or does not have the winning money. I doubt that the winning players can get their winnings easily, especially if you look at what the company has done. But hopefully, the winner can get justice.

The only way in which they could be justified to do this is if they had evidence they got hacked and their data was deleted or stolen and they can link that act to the person claiming such high prize money, but if that is not the case it is difficult to side with the lottery when they are using such a weak excuse to not pay their customers, if anything I would not be surprised they did this in the past and the previous winners accepted a lesser amount as all of this is sounding like a bad excuse.

[Mahanton]

How can the company not pay out winnings to players who legally played the game and won a lot of money? Moreover, the reason given by the company is absurd because the winning data has been deleted from their system.

If the player's victory is not due to cheating, the company should not do anything strange and must pay the winning money unless the company is cheating or does not have the winning money. I doubt that the winning players can get their winnings easily, especially if you look at what the company has done. But hopefully, the winner can get justice.

The only way in which they could be justified to do this is if they had evidence they got hacked and their data was deleted or stolen and they can link that act to the person claiming such high prize money, but if that is not the case it is difficult to side with the lottery when they are using such a weak excuse to not pay their customers, if anything I would not be surprised they did this in the past and the previous winners accepted a lesser amount as all of this is sounding like a bad excuse.

We do really need solid evidence which would clear out questions on mind into those people who do watch out on such situation.It do really sucks if you arent get paid but we cant able to determine if its
a legit win or just someone trying out to destroy some reputation or something like that this is why we should not make out direct conclusions without hearing out on each other sides.
Transparency is all we do need but we arent getting such information or clarification this is why its really hard to make out any conclusions.
Someone could easily claim out that they had win and like this and like that but at least there should really be some proof.

[348Judah]

What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Am sire that a reputable company will not want to tarnish their image with refusal to pay the gambler his entitled winnings realised, this a legal case that must be fought for and will definitely be in favour of the gambler at he end if it all, as long as the company has a physical location where their lottery head office is located could make it more easy to deal with their kind of illegal act and as long as the ticket or winning slip still remains intact within the gambler's reach, then it's not a thing to fear about going with them at any length in fighting for your right.

[Asiska02]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

[goldkingcoiner]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

In my experience there are many gambling casinos/lottery companies that think that they can withhold a persons winnings on any grounds even if the reasons are complete baloney. Even if they are acting against the law, the simply have the audacity to hope that the winner simply will not sue/report them or that they make it so difficult that the winner basically gives up.

Don't get me wrong, reputable gambling companies do not usually do this. Its always some weird shady off-brand casinos that go about this kind of tactic to steal money from their players.

Not sure about these "irregularities" they claim but if they cannot provide solid evidence that the winner did something wrong then obviously they are trying to stall for time or hope that the winner just gives up.

[aioc]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Any casino or lottery company has no obligation to pay bettors their winnings if they cheat or manipulate the system, they have it in their terms or contract to operate given to them by their licensor, but if there are no irregularities on the bet of the winner and because of the lottery's error on their system, the winner has the right for a claim, the court and the government should intervene for the winner to get his winning, it cannot be denied. he has a rightful claim to his winning.

[harizen]

People's trust in the lottery will be diminished they already have two cases based on the article, the lottery company should have a good case because if the complainant won the case that will tarnish the image of the lottery company, gambling like a lottery depends on people's trust they should prove that they have the right decision not to pay cheaters they send a strong signal that they cannot be bribe by cheaters but they must also prove that they are a legit lottery company and will pay real winners even if it involves a huge amount of money.

Not taking my side on the lottery but we should also have to take note that while they have two same related cases before, they also granted several big winnings without a problem too which is might even way higher than the amount mentioned on this topic.

That's why I also mentioned that we are just giving our thoughts based on what is written in the article without knowing the actual happening in their trial e.g how the lottery provides their proof that the man is doing irregularities, how the man defends himself and everything along those lines.

[Wakate]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

Any gambling sites that decided not to pay their customers maybe be getting it wrong and this might cause a bad omen that will make other gamblers to stop gambling on the platform. It is unfair for a gambling platform to decide not to pay their winners because the money won is huge. I know every gambling sites have their limit to what you can play and how much fund can be use be used. This is why if a player wins a big amount of money, he needed to be paid or the law enforcement should take care of this.

[rahmad2nd]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

So far, there is no definite and accurate information. we only read from Op's thread articles and posts, so in this case. I personally have to look at both sides in a balanced way, which is where both sides have their own claims.  In the end, the final decision will be made in court and both parties will have to prove it to win the case.

Any gambling sites that decided not to pay their customers maybe be getting it wrong and this might cause a bad omen that will make other gamblers to stop gambling on the platform. It is unfair for a gambling platform to decide not to pay their winners because the money won is huge. I know every gambling sites have their limit to what you can play and how much fund can be use be used. This is why if a player wins a big amount of money, he needed to be paid or the law enforcement should take care of this.

If you play on a site that decides not to pay the winnings that should be yours, then that site is a scam. So, you have to make sure that the casino you use has a credible reputation. and in our forum we have casinos that have a high reputation.

However, in this case. the lottery casino platforms had paid the man's winnings before. so, it's not like what you say here. this case has been in court, regarding the outcome, only the court can decide.

[South Park]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

In my experience there are many gambling casinos/lottery companies that think that they can withhold a persons winnings on any grounds even if the reasons are complete baloney. Even if they are acting against the law, the simply have the audacity to hope that the winner simply will not sue/report them or that they make it so difficult that the winner basically gives up.

Don't get me wrong, reputable gambling companies do not usually do this. Its always some weird shady off-brand casinos that go about this kind of tactic to steal money from their players.

Not sure about these "irregularities" they claim but if they cannot provide solid evidence that the winner did something wrong then obviously they are trying to stall for time or hope that the winner just gives up.

What happens is that some companies actually believe they can get away with anything, and if we are honest since some of those companies have so much money and the best lawyers around the world this is true a significant amount of the time, however I hope this lottery does not get away with this as at least to me it seems they are just making up excuses so they do not have to pay their customers what they legitimate owe to them.

[Lanatsa]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

Any gambling sites that decided not to pay their customers maybe be getting it wrong and this might cause a bad omen that will make other gamblers to stop gambling on the platform. It is unfair for a gambling platform to decide not to pay their winners because the money won is huge. I know every gambling sites have their limit to what you can play and how much fund can be use be used. This is why if a player wins a big amount of money, he needed to be paid or the law enforcement should take care of this.

Issues and problems on certain gambling sites is something that cant really be avoided even into those known or popular ones on which there are scenario which it cant be avoided but the most important thing

on here is that those problems do get resolved, but this is only can be found into those platforms which are legit and non scammy.For those sites who do refuse on paying up huge wins then it doesnt indicate
that they are scam directly, maybe there might be some unusual activity that had been seen on a certain player which they would be checking it out but for a legit ones then they would eventually release out
after that but if they are already giving out some reasoning which turns out to be non realistic and obviously alibis then pretty sure that you had deal up with a scam site.

[Poker Player]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

To my understanding no, the company had a problem with their database, supposedly and they are hiding behind that to not pay the prize. To me that does not seem to me a defense that justifies not paying and unless they provide other elements of proof in the trial I understand that the most reasonable thing is that they pay him the lottery prize in full. Although it is also necessary to think that in matters of law what seems to be clear in favor of a part ends up with a reasoned sentence of many pages in favor of the other, that is to say that the plaintiff cannot claim victory.

[Russlenat]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

If the company is really not interested to pay the winner, then for sure they will create a lot of lies that will go against the winner, and that demands for a deep investigation. It’s so hard to believe that the system had deleted their winning data, that’s unlikely to happen except they will do it for a cause. Whatever it is, let the court decide for it and hopefully justice will be served to the victim.

[Vaculin]

They will surely lose the trust of their players if they continue what they do even though the player won fairly and they didn't even provide any proof of what they say about irregularities that will prove that the player is cheating on their company to win huge amount. If they can't provide then they are making excuses so that they won't be able to pay the winnings and I am sure they will be exposed sooner or later that the lottery company is a shady one.

If they will continue to accuse irregularities on the part of the winner, once the court proven that the winner deserves the prize, then surely the company will be in a big trouble as they will come to ruin their own reputation because of their irresponsible behavior. I guess companies like this will never succeed in the end, they might win in some cases but that won’t be happening the rest of the days.

[Cryptomultiplier]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

If the company is really not interested to pay the winner, then for sure they will create a lot of lies that will go against the winner, and that demands for a deep investigation. It’s so hard to believe that the system had deleted their winning data, that’s unlikely to happen except they will do it for a cause. Whatever it is, let the court decide for it and hopefully justice will be served to the victim.

My point exactly! Let's just let the court decide. Claims like this might either be concocted by the lottery so as to avoid redeeming the winners  prize or there might actually be irregularities as accused of the person who won.  If upon checking the records of the lottery , to find that they have been faithful in redeeming prizes of huge winnings to other players then, their claim might just be on point.

[BitcoinPanther]

They will surely lose the trust of their players if they continue what they do even though the player won fairly and they didn't even provide any proof of what they say about irregularities that will prove that the player is cheating on their company to win huge amount. If they can't provide then they are making excuses so that they won't be able to pay the winnings and I am sure they will be exposed sooner or later that the lottery company is a shady one.

If they will continue to accuse irregularities on the part of the winner, once the court proven that the winner deserves the prize, then surely the company will be in a big trouble as they will come to ruin their own reputation because of their irresponsible behavior. I guess companies like this will never succeed in the end, they might win in some cases but that won’t be happening the rest of the days.

The lottery can actually throw everything to make the winner look bad and undeserving of the win but of course the winner can make a counter statement on that.  But  based on the proceedings, it is normal for a player to have irregularities of bet, and even winnings again and again when a client bets regularly.  I believe the court will rule the case in favor of the winner because, the lottery won't offer any amount of money as compensation if they are right on the first place.

[TimeTeller]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

If the company is really not interested to pay the winner, then for sure they will create a lot of lies that will go against the winner, and that demands for a deep investigation. It’s so hard to believe that the system had deleted their winning data, that’s unlikely to happen except they will do it for a cause. Whatever it is, let the court decide for it and hopefully justice will be served to the victim.

My point exactly! Let's just let the court decide. Claims like this might either be concocted by the lottery so as to avoid redeeming the winners  prize or there might actually be irregularities as accused of the person who won.  If upon checking the records of the lottery , to find that they have been faithful in redeeming prizes of huge winnings to other players then, their claim might just be on point.

If the amount is significant as posted, and the user has all the proofs, then pursue the lawsuit.
The court will weigh the evidences on both sides and for sure they will come to a fair decision.
Deleting the winning data is not sufficient not to pay a winner, because there are other means which have recorded such winning numbers.
Such as publishing it on other social media channels and other reading materials.
The system may have erased it but it was recorded in other means. If not, this lottery is not operating legally.

[herurist]

These are 2 defenses from each side. On the other hand, they do say that the winner is cheating when they win, if the evidence is not too strong, then indeed this can backfire and indeed they don't want anyone to win for various reasons.
Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court so that someone becomes an intermediary because if everything is related without a mediator it will only continue to say that all parties feel that they are right.

[bitbollo]

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Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court
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I think the same... there is only one way for solve this kind of issues.
get a lawyer (a good one) and go in court suing the lottery administrators.
I don't know in Lagos how it works for legal disputes but this is the only way to get an agreement.

[jakdanyel]

It's gotten pretty complicated. I think it could have been solved without getting so involved. Now that the situation is like this, there is a question mark on everyone's mind. Lottery companies are starting to take notice. When it comes to paying money, customer loss situations arise. People find it harder to trust lottery companies now. If this continues, lottery companies will now have fewer customers.

[ultrloa]

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

[Strongkored]

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

Based on articles from the media that Op included, the gambling company said that their database was wiped out, now it is a question of how their database can be wiped out. The article also states that November 21 the trial will resume, so we can only wait until what decision will be given in this case.

[ethereumhunter]

How can the company not pay out winnings to players who legally played the game and won a lot of money? Moreover, the reason given by the company is absurd because the winning data has been deleted from their system.

If the player's victory is not due to cheating, the company should not do anything strange and must pay the winning money unless the company is cheating or does not have the winning money. I doubt that the winning players can get their winnings easily, especially if you look at what the company has done. But hopefully, the winner can get justice.

The only way in which they could be justified to do this is if they had evidence they got hacked and their data was deleted or stolen and they can link that act to the person claiming such high prize money, but if that is not the case it is difficult to side with the lottery when they are using such a weak excuse to not pay their customers, if anything I would not be surprised they did this in the past and the previous winners accepted a lesser amount as all of this is sounding like a bad excuse.

But I guess they could provide fake evidence that gives the fact that they really got hacked and lost important data from their company. But the company will continue to pay the winning money to the winners because that is a consequence that the company has to do. Especially if they still want to run a gambling business where they can get huge profits in the future. But as a gambling company that may already have a reputation, they shouldn't do that but will still pay out the winnings.

[rahmad2nd]

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

If we read carefully the advanced links listed above, then the final decision will end up in court. So far, the lottery company has claimed that they have paid the winners of the lottery and are paid what they should. It should be noted, the claimant who won the lottery had won the previous lottery in 2019 and was paid in full even though the lottery company suspected some irregularities in his game.

Actually we can't judge both of them, either the lottery company or the claimant of the lottery winner. we do not have more accurate information, especially the history of the establishment of this lottery company. it is very important to check the background of both parties to the dispute.
even if, the company must announce irregularities committed by the complainant who won the lottery. it will soon be proven at the judiciary. so, let's wait for the continuation of this case.

[Blawpaw]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

thing is, if they say the game reports and registering is missing this should be their own responsibility as this is a thing that only the site can manage and that they should be lyable for any mistake and the winnings amount should be paid to the player with no questions asked. If they are trying to get away with it, they are simply trying to scam the player.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

Based on articles from the media that Op included, the gambling company said that their database was wiped out, now it is a question of how their database can be wiped out. The article also states that November 21 the trial will resume, so we can only wait until what decision will be given in this case.

 - That's what's also surprising, Sir, why was it suddenly erased or wiped out of the database, that's a bit questionable even from my angle.

As it happens, the lottery is making a way to not give the winnings of a winner in their game. But of course, I hope everything goes well for the

lottery winner. I think there are many of the members here in the forum here are waiting for the result of the trial this coming 21 of November.

[AicecreaME]

If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

For a company to be in charge in court on denying payment is not good for its reputation and the name will be further damaged if they are found guilty of denying payment, the government should step in to check if this company is holding its lottery in a fair manner.

I agree. If the casino or lottery company find irregularities in the bet made by the player, it is just right and just to deny the awarding of prize and forfeiting their entry. That is because any activity proven to be fraud or involving illegal activities shall be punished accordingly.

However, if there's none and the casino or lottery company is just finding way to escape their responsibility of awarding the prize to the winners, then they must pay the prize of deceiving the players and wasting their time. It is the responsibility of the company to always double check every entry that will be made and it's their duty to give the payment to whom it's due.

[herurist]

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Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court
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I think the same... there is only one way for solve this kind of issues.
get a lawyer (a good one) and go in court suing the lottery administrators.
I don't know in Lagos how it works for legal disputes but this is the only way to get an agreement.

Because it is very difficult to seek the truth when both parties feel they are right.
But on the other hand, when the court arrives, like it or not, the winning party has to spend money again so they can win in that case, because especially when talking about money, it is clear that the lottery still dominates. But as long as you are sure of the winner's evidence, then I think there is no need to be afraid of that, unless he really feels that he is committing fraud then court is not a good solution because it only adds to expenses.

[nakamura12]

If they will continue to accuse irregularities on the part of the winner, once the court proven that the winner deserves the prize, then surely the company will be in a big trouble as they will come to ruin their own reputation because of their irresponsible behavior. I guess companies like this will never succeed in the end, they might win in some cases but that won’t be happening the rest of the days.

If someone will push it to the court to prove that the company would face the consequences on not paying the winner. I am sure that you know that it will cost you money if you bring it to court but the result would surely be good for the winner and also to the future gamblers which will be use as a caution that the company cannot be trusted.

[lionheart78]

These are 2 defenses from each side. On the other hand, they do say that the winner is cheating when they win, if the evidence is not too strong, then indeed this can backfire and indeed they don't want anyone to win for various reasons.
Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court so that someone becomes an intermediary because if everything is related without a mediator it will only continue to say that all parties feel that they are right.

It isn't probably, but it will be brought to court since the lottery company doesn't want to pay the winner.  It is obvious that there is something wrong with the lottery company, and even accused the winner of irregularities because he also won in the early year in the same outlet.

My thought here is the company wanted to minimize their payment to the winners, even offering him money.  Look at how the incident develop

“I reported the matter at Area B, Apapa; they invited him, but he did not honor the invitation. So, Area B wrote to the lottery board and they had a series of meetings; they were asked to pay me.

“They offered me N10m and I rejected it. Then, we went to the Abuja national board and they offered me N13m, but I rejected it. Then, they went to Zone 2 and pleaded that they would pay me N20m; I also refused, before the matter was referred to the Director of Public Prosecutions for advice,” he added.

When asked if he had won from Green Lotto before, he said, “Yes, I won in 2019; I won over N40m and they paid me.”

The agent and Green Lotto were brought to court on June 6, 2022, over alleged stealing of N72,700,000.

There are a series of settlements offered by the lottery company but the player disagrees until it goes to court.  Now it looks like the lottery company found a escape goat and blame the agent of stealling the winning prize.

[bitbollo]

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Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court
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I think the same... there is only one way for solve this kind of issues.
get a lawyer (a good one) and go in court suing the lottery administrators.
I don't know in Lagos how it works for legal disputes but this is the only way to get an agreement.

Because it is very difficult to seek the truth when both parties feel they are right.
But on the other hand, when the court arrives, like it or not, the winning party has to spend money again so they can win in that case, because especially when talking about money, it is clear that the lottery still dominates. But as long as you are sure of the winner's evidence, then I think there is no need to be afraid of that, unless he really feels that he is committing fraud then court is not a good solution because it only adds to expenses.

when there is money "in the middle" everyone want to be right and do everything possible to defend their position. without a legal obligation (therefore in this case is a sort of coercion) they can just not paying and ask for a "legal battle".
By the way, the winner has suspect of cheating and he has already been attentioned... in a case like this a legal dispute is inevitable

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I read this news on the punch last month, the lottery company company vowed not to pay the winner his winning no matter what, and its disappointing how they are really mean about the whole thing, even telling the winner to take them to any court, that they still wont pay him.
As it is, I personally think it is hard to predict, what I do know right now is that this company is ready to spend money to make sure they don't pay this guy his winning, I am just waiting to see the outcome of the case, maybe if the guy wins the case, they are ready to close down their company instead of paying him, but if they win, they continue their business normally, but i dont see any way they are going to win the case without a prove that the lottery winner cheated.

[nakamura12]

I think it is better to put this on court so it will be fair for the both parties involve, if the company wins and their claims that the player is cheating since as per then he has a history of it then that man should not get is jackpot and also he must be banned in every casinos or gambling site and if the player is correct, that company should pay him as well and pay some damage fee because they are bigger entity than him.

I agree with you there which it is indeed fair for both parties to determine which side is lying and which side is telling the truth. It is hard to know if someone is telling the truth if the supposedly the victim is telling the truth and with evidence unlike if you are telling something without proof of backing up what you want to say. Let's say, you are a scammer and what proof do I have?, Nothing right?. It's also pointless to put it on court if you don't have proof in my opinion. It is much better if you can prove that they are not paying and a proof that no cheat are used.

[LUCKMCFLY]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

So far, there is no definite and accurate information. we only read from Op's thread articles and posts, so in this case. I personally have to look at both sides in a balanced way, which is where both sides have their own claims.  In the end, the final decision will be made in court and both parties will have to prove it to win the case.

Any gambling sites that decided not to pay their customers maybe be getting it wrong and this might cause a bad omen that will make other gamblers to stop gambling on the platform. It is unfair for a gambling platform to decide not to pay their winners because the money won is huge. I know every gambling sites have their limit to what you can play and how much fund can be use be used. This is why if a player wins a big amount of money, he needed to be paid or the law enforcement should take care of this.

If you play on a site that decides not to pay the winnings that should be yours, then that site is a scam. So, you have to make sure that the casino you use has a credible reputation. and in our forum we have casinos that have a high reputation.

However, in this case. the lottery casino platforms had paid the man's winnings before. so, it's not like what you say here. this case has been in court, regarding the outcome, only the court can decide.

Well this is something that one also thinks the same, I am also in favor that if a casino does not pay as it should be at the time and invents things to not pay, I would also see it as a scam, of course it should be noted that we as players are always looking for the best casinos to be able to play, win, or it doesn't matter if you lose because what really matters is that you can enjoy yourself and if in fact a casino gives excuses like that it's because it tends to be a scam, you should also study very well the reasons given by the casino, although it is most likely a scam.

I am a person who always says that when a casino starts with so many excuses to pay an amount, one should totally get away from that.

[Genemind]

If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

For a company to be in charge in court on denying payment is not good for its reputation and the name will be further damaged if they are found guilty of denying payment, the government should step in to check if this company is holding its lottery in a fair manner.

I agree. If the casino or lottery company find irregularities in the bet made by the player, it is just right and just to deny the awarding of prize and forfeiting their entry. That is because any activity proven to be fraud or involving illegal activities shall be punished accordingly.

However, if there's none and the casino or lottery company is just finding way to escape their responsibility of awarding the prize to the winners, then they must pay the prize of deceiving the players and wasting their time. It is the responsibility of the company to always double check every entry that will be made and it's their duty to give the payment to whom it's due.

It is obvious that the lottery company is making excuses to pay the bettor his winnings. They offered him money when he went to report it to the police and when he filed a case to the court. The company is inconsistent with their excuse saying their database is deleted and soon accusing the winner with irregularities. I hope that the bettor wins the case so the lottery company can stop operating.

[serjent05]

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

The irregularity is something like winning several times in a row at the same outlet.  I don't know why they considered it irregularities while the victim had been playing and betting on that outlet for so many years.  It is common sense that the person will surely win on that same outlet because he always bet there.

It is obvious that the lottery company is making excuses to pay the bettor his winnings. They offered him money when he went to report it to the police and when he filed a case to the court. The company is inconsistent with their excuse saying their database is deleted and soon accusing the winner with irregularities. I hope that the bettor wins the case so the lottery company can stop operating.

True besides it is impossible for the information about the winning draw event has been deleted in normal circumstances.  Besides, I believe there is a central server where outlets put their information and backups so it is impossible for the records to get wiped out totally.  It is money and it is essential that all documents will have a backup in case a server becomes faulty.

[Mahanton]

If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

For a company to be in charge in court on denying payment is not good for its reputation and the name will be further damaged if they are found guilty of denying payment, the government should step in to check if this company is holding its lottery in a fair manner.

I agree. If the casino or lottery company find irregularities in the bet made by the player, it is just right and just to deny the awarding of prize and forfeiting their entry. That is because any activity proven to be fraud or involving illegal activities shall be punished accordingly.

However, if there's none and the casino or lottery company is just finding way to escape their responsibility of awarding the prize to the winners, then they must pay the prize of deceiving the players and wasting their time. It is the responsibility of the company to always double check every entry that will be made and it's their duty to give the payment to whom it's due.

It is obvious that the lottery company is making excuses to pay the bettor his winnings. They offered him money when he went to report it to the police and when he filed a case to the court. The company is inconsistent with their excuse saying their database is deleted and soon accusing the winner with irregularities. I hope that the bettor wins the case so the lottery company can stop operating.

With that alone, then you could really tell that they dont have any plans on giving the winning amount overall or in total which they are trying out to bribe you with those amount for some settlement for you to
stop on doing that legal action thing which does indicate that they arent paying at all or would really be just having no funds? There are only two probabilities but as a winner then you do have the full rights
on claiming those wins since you had played on a right way which it is really that something that belong to yours.This is the importance of things to consider out first
before depositing into a site or platform.So you should need to think up and decide the right way.

[goinmerry]

True besides it is impossible for the information about the winning draw event has been deleted in normal circumstances.  Besides, I believe there is a central server where outlets put their information and backups so it is impossible for the records to get wiped out totally.  It is money and it is essential that all documents will have a backup in case a server becomes faulty.

If there's a problem with the system especially related to databases or records which are considered very important stuff in a lottery, that would lead to a serious investigation because people's money is at risk. Since there's a bribed attempt, that means the system is running fine and smooth but it turned out that the lottery tried to at least turn the table upside down in their favor.

Since there's no shared progress or any update about the case, I just hoped that the case will be judged fairly as I'm sure an attempt to also bribed the authorities that handle the case do have a big possibility.

[Wakate]

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

This is one of the major problems of some crypto casinos when it comes to paying winners there funds. Although I don't always blame most casinos because they may not have the fund to pay the winner mostly when the fund is very big. This is a game if luck and I think anybody that grab the luck need to be paid. It is not that easy for a casino that has small fund in there reserve to big such big amount of money but they needed to negotiate with the winner so that the matter will not go viral for people to tarnish the image of the casino. Wisdom need to be applicable here not waiting to go to court.

[blockman]

I agree with you there which it is indeed fair for both parties to determine which side is lying and which side is telling the truth. It is hard to know if someone is telling the truth if the supposedly the victim is telling the truth and with evidence unlike if you are telling something without proof of backing up what you want to say.

When it's already in the court, both of them can still lie but the one who's telling the truth will prevail. They can't lie to the court if there's evidence of whom is telling the court. Where can we see the progress and updates for this case?

Let's say, you are a scammer and what proof do I have?, Nothing right?. It's also pointless to put it on court if you don't have proof in my opinion. It is much better if you can prove that they are not paying and a proof that no cheat are used.

The complainant can ask for an investigation to look after their system if there really is an irregularity that has happened during the time he's won big.

[QueenVera]

Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

[LUCKMCFLY]

I think it is better to put this on court so it will be fair for the both parties involve, if the company wins and their claims that the player is cheating since as per then he has a history of it then that man should not get is jackpot and also he must be banned in every casinos or gambling site and if the player is correct, that company should pay him as well and pay some damage fee because they are bigger entity than him.

I agree with you there which it is indeed fair for both parties to determine which side is lying and which side is telling the truth. It is hard to know if someone is telling the truth if the supposedly the victim is telling the truth and with evidence unlike if you are telling something without proof of backing up what you want to say. Let's say, you are a scammer and what proof do I have?, Nothing right?. It's also pointless to put it on court if you don't have proof in my opinion. It is much better if you can prove that they are not paying and a proof that no cheat are used.

Well, it's difficult, tests in casinos like that, if they didn't do it, how could it be done then? there in these cases I think that whoever can have the record of those plays would be an additional server that they should have in the casino, but obviously they will not say it, I think that those casinos that rob people how can they survive? of the new players who do not know much and take advantage of them? I have seen that what they do is find a way for more people to enter and it does not stop possible hacking or security problems, I would make many backups of everything that happens in the day, how much was entered and how much was paid and who was the player who lasted the longest and won... the winnings in a casino must be paid to his client, it is the duty to be.

[AicecreaME]

Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

This makes sense.

I really do hope as well that the court will side on the supposedly winner of the lottery because he has already exerted a lot of time, effort, and money just to win this case. It will not be easy because there are certain procedures and processes that has to be done in order to uncover the truth. But if the player has enough proofs and evidences to back up his claim that he indeed won, then there should be a smooth judgement and decision in ruling based on the gathered pieces of information.

Justice system of the country in which OP is residing to also plays a great role in the outcome of this issue because if a country's justice system is fucked up, then there's a little chance that the one telling the truth will win. This is because money and power could buy anything if the authorities who are in charge are all rotten. Hopefully, we'll be updated with this issue and really rooting for him to win because a money should be honored to whom it's due.

[panganib999]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

  Whether or not they win this case, the gambling house is already bound to lose a great percentage of their customers. The fact that the headlines imply they refuse to pay is already something that would not sound great to the people's ears. In a country like Nigeria, they could easily bribe their way out of the case and bag themselves a win, but this guy's bound to lose them a lot of potential gamblers in the process, so really, whatever they say inside and outside the court, I don't think the end's gonna sit well for them.

Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

Agreed, if any updates about this case could be made that will really be great for us who are keen at observing how this goes. Not only is this case a testament to how much power gambling companies have over your money once you clicked that deposit, but also how the justice system of Nigeria goes.

[Slow death]

I really do hope as well that the court will side on the supposedly winner of the lottery because he has already exerted a lot of time, effort, and money just to win this case.

all people when playing the lottery are given a ticket, probably that winner must have the ticket with him, but if the lottery result was not disclosed on social networks, it was not disclosed on TV and radio or newspapers or some other means of communication in which two or more people besides the winner have a visa to serve as witnesses, so it will be very difficult for the winner to prove anything, because the guys who will organize the lottery say that there is nothing in the system, if there is nothing in the system then there is just the winner's ticket, some proof will be needed and the only proof for the court of reason to the winner would be if he had some video showing that the guys who organized the lottery disclosed that that ticket he has was the winning ticket of the lottery , without proof the court will be unable to do anything

Justice system of the country in which OP is residing to also plays a great role in the outcome of this issue because if a country's justice system is fucked up, then there's a little chance that the one telling the truth will win. This is because money and power could buy anything if the authorities who are in charge are all rotten. Hopefully, we'll be updated with this issue and really rooting for him to win because a money should be honored to whom it's due.

in this case, I even believe that even if the company that organizes the lottery has a lot of power and manages to corrupt anyone, if that company, on the day that it was announcing the winner of the lottery, used means of communication such as: TV, Radio, social networks like instagram, twitter and facebook so the winner only needs to take a picture if it's social media or go look for a video on youtube if it was released on tv, if it's radio and it could be complicated to have the audio of the day of the announcement and in this part the company could corrupt the radio employees to delete everything, but they would not be able to corrupt it in court if the winner presents proof

[rahmad2nd]

Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

I follow the progress of this case. however, it seems that the Op did not proceed with the continuation of the trial results of the lottery winner's lawsuit.  So far, no new links or news.
However, despite this. I do not agree with you, before there is a decision from the court. we will never know whether or not it will affect the reputation of the lottery company. the reason is, this case happened in Nigeria, we don't know what really happened. it's good, we do not assume too far especially with the statement that the court can be bribed.
I think your statement is like the judge himself without knowing the real facts. so, just let the court will give its decision. let's just wait how this case goes, after the Op provides a new link about this case.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

I have heard a lot about Nigeria and the way in which some businesses can be managed, and if Nigeria is like that then it is not very far from the South American countries that also work under the same lens, it is curious to find courts where there are judges with a high sense of professional ethics, because they are all comparable, although in the country where I live, the high-ranking judges, I am talking about magistrates who do not give in to the requests of someone with a lot of power, simply kill him and make everything look as if he had committed suicide Or a common kid, that's how it is here, and the way it works here, I don't think Nigeria is very far away, and the only way to win a case quickly is to spend a lot of money, I think that's perhaps what is required if a system it's already corrupted.

[virasisog]

Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

I follow the progress of this case. however, it seems that the Op did not proceed with the continuation of the trial results of the lottery winner's lawsuit.  So far, no new links or news.
However, despite this. I do not agree with you, before there is a decision from the court. we will never know whether or not it will affect the reputation of the lottery company. the reason is, this case happened in Nigeria, we don't know what really happened. it's good, we do not assume too far especially with the statement that the court can be bribed.
I think your statement is like the judge himself without knowing the real facts. so, just let the court will give its decision. let's just wait how this case goes, after the Op provides a new link about this case.

Whatever the result would be, we can't deny the fact that it will still affect the trust rate of the said casino. Many players will have doubts and may switch to other casinos because of the fear that the same thing might happen to them. In case the accusation would be proven wrong, the site can rebuild their reputation again but it can't still erase the issue completely. If they will be proven guilty, they have to pay the higher cost of damages to the gambler.

[Slow death]

Whatever the result would be, we can't deny the fact that it will still affect the trust rate of the said casino.

the problem is that this is a case where there won't be much on TV channels, newspapers and radios so people just listen to this news for 1 or 2 days and then they forget about it all, and days later the game company starts advertising the lottery and people start buying tickets as if nothing had happened, and if there is a winner who has won a prize that is not high, the company will pay the winner and with that they discredit that person who won and was not paid , this is the disgusting scheme that companies from poor countries do because justice is very slow and ineffective

Many players will have doubts and may switch to other casinos because of the fear that the same thing might happen to them.

this is not a casino, it's just a company that keeps doing lottery draws, and as I said, people quickly forget, they must already be buying lottery tickets from the same company that is being accused by that person who was not paid, what justice system in poor countries is very slow, expensive and this lottery company has room to continue running its services as if nothing had happened

In case the accusation would be proven wrong

getting proof will be an almost impossible mission, I doubt he will get proof and get paid, this is yet another case that will end up forgotten by time

[safari88]

There are several situations known in which lotteries do not want to pay out. I don't remember which country it was, but there was once an organization that didn't want to pay out a jackpot because the organization couldn't write off a direct debit from a candidate. So officially it was not a lottery win, because he was not part of the program at that time. I believe that it even came to a court case, in which the organization was found in the right. That cost the customer millions of euros at the time. Justice or not?

[serjent05]

Whatever the result would be, we can't deny the fact that it will still affect the trust rate of the said casino.

the problem is that this is a case where there won't be much on TV channels, newspapers and radios so people just listen to this news for 1 or 2 days and then they forget about it all, and days later the game company starts advertising the lottery and people start buying tickets as if nothing had happened, and if there is a winner who has won a prize that is not high, the company will pay the winner and with that they discredit that person who won and was not paid , this is the disgusting scheme that companies from poor countries do because justice is very slow and ineffective

I believe the best thing for this case to be noticed is to tap known political personalities and ask for their help.  The politicians needs a lot of attention to have their ratings go up so I think the plan won't fail and probably it will be brought to the administrative level where the hearings is broadcast worldwide.  It is ok if the issue is forgotten after a month or two as long as the winner get his prize.

In case the accusation would be proven wrong

getting proof will be an almost impossible mission, I doubt he will get proof and get paid, this is yet another case that will end up forgotten by time

The deletion of the record itself is clear proof.  As long as the player has his ticket or receipt I believe he has a strong argument.

[bitcampaign]

it's hard to win a case if that happens to me of course I can't do anything when a lottery company doesn't want to pay my prize, because if I have to take this to court it won't make me win if I lose let alone don't have enough evidence maybe it could be eliminated by the owner of the lottery company, of course I will be sued for defamation, so I thought looking for a better lottery company would be very profitable and just let the cheating happen

[roslinpl]

Actually why you mentioned on the bribe at the judge side, it’s not an easy one. Most of the judges will not allow this, even in poor countries like Nigeria. It’s not an easy one, So many developing countries also had a good judge system. It’s seems like you had targeted the Nigerian it’s not a wise one. Lottery is not a legal in many countries, instead you can do the gambling for the lottery in the gambling sites. But the counter part to the argument is also their. Because the powerful political person and person who had rule in the country may be involved in backside gate of judgement from the judges.

[serjent05]

it's hard to win a case if that happens to me of course I can't do anything when a lottery company doesn't want to pay my prize, because if I have to take this to court it won't make me win if I lose let alone don't have enough evidence maybe it could be eliminated by the owner of the lottery company, of course I will be sued for defamation, so I thought looking for a better lottery company would be very profitable and just let the cheating happen

I believe it all depends on the evidence you can produce during the trial.  Most lotteries have a system that shows the winning ticket.  If you have that winning ticket, then, there is no doubt that you will win the case against the lottery company.  So what if the winning record is deleted?  Then that is more red flag to the lottery company.  As far as I know, the lottery owner and agent that had deleted its record had a lawsuit for money theft or robbery.

Actually why you mentioned on the bribe at the judge side, it’s not an easy one. Most of the judges will not allow this, even in poor countries like Nigeria. It’s not an easy one, So many developing countries also had a good judge system. It’s seems like you had targeted the Nigerian it’s not a wise one. Lottery is not a legal in many countries, instead you can do the gambling for the lottery in the gambling sites.

What makes the judge twist is when there is a powerful politician behind with a huge amount of money offering it often happens in every country.

[Lanatsa]

Actually why you mentioned on the bribe at the judge side, it’s not an easy one. Most of the judges will not allow this, even in poor countries like Nigeria. It’s not an easy one, So many developing countries also had a good judge system. It’s seems like you had targeted the Nigerian it’s not a wise one. Lottery is not a legal in many countries, instead you can do the gambling for the lottery in the gambling sites. But the counter part to the argument is also their. Because the powerful political person and person who had rule in the country may be involved in backside gate of judgement from the judges.

You cant really remove on someones mind about possible manipulation or under the table kind of transactions considering that it is really something that possible that could really happen.
This is why its not shocking that people would be having these kind of assumptions since these are also the probabilities.Yes, not all judges could really be bribed or something like this but not all
as we all know.

If a certain lottery site or program or something like this doesnt really pay up huge winning then it would really be involving some investigation or something like this
specially if it does involved huge amount.

[QueenVera]

I think OP needs to update the thread because I was really Intereted in this topic and to know how much was paid in compensation to the winner.
Someone spoke about the possibilities of the casino winning if the winner doesn't have much more to back his case and also getting a very intelligent legal practitioner then, there are heavy chances of the player losing his case to the betting platform and that would cause him so much especially.
After going through the links and stuffs like that, I believe that the player will win this case and get the betting company pay for damages and compensation as well.

[klidex]

Actually why you mentioned on the bribe at the judge side, it’s not an easy one. Most of the judges will not allow this, even in poor countries like Nigeria. It’s not an easy one, So many developing countries also had a good judge system. It’s seems like you had targeted the Nigerian it’s not a wise one. Lottery is not a legal in many countries, instead you can do the gambling for the lottery in the gambling sites. But the counter part to the argument is also their. Because the powerful political person and person who had rule in the country may be involved in backside gate of judgement from the judges.

You cant really remove on someones mind about possible manipulation or under the table kind of transactions considering that it is really something that possible that could really happen.
This is why its not shocking that people would be having these kind of assumptions since these are also the probabilities.Yes, not all judges could really be bribed or something like this but not all
as we all know.

If a certain lottery site or program or something like this doesnt really pay up huge winning then it would really be involving some investigation or something like this
specially if it does involved huge amount.

Yes, we really don't know whether manipulation and bribery of judges actually happened or not.
However, I think until now there will still be a lot of acts of bribery against judges because indeed transactions under the table have become something that is no longer surprising, although there are some people who don't believe in it and don't care about it.
However, if there are still judges who are willing to accept bribes and incidents like this continue to be carried out, justice will never be upheld.

Regarding lottery sites that don't really pay big wins, it will actually cause them to get into a number of problems such as reputation and loss of trust from bettors to the site and some investigations will definitely be carried out on the lottery site itself.

[acroman08]

I think OP needs to update the thread because I was really Intereted in this topic and to know how much was paid in compensation to the winner.

it seems like there is still no updated news about this. I searched around and found an article(quoted below) that was recently released but it is the same information that we got from the OP. anyway, it is possible that the complainant and the lottery have had a settlement in secret and were not covered by the media that's why we don't see an update.

Another celebrated court matter in the gaming environment this year was that of the lottery brand Green Lotto and its agent, Charles Akhenanen, dragged before the Lagos State High Court over its refusal to pay a businessman his winning sum of N72,700,000.

Green Lotto is promoted by Brentwood Multiservices Global Limited.

The complainant, led in evidence in chief by the state prosecuting counsel, Mrs Titilayo Olanrewaju-Daudu, said after collecting the money he won at Premier Lotto, he went to Green Lotto the next day to claim the N72,700,000 he won, but the firm refused to pay him. Explaining its position, Green Lotto stated that the claimant, Sunday Nwachukwu, engaged in irregularities.

[ethereumhunter]

I think OP needs to update the thread because I was really Intereted in this topic and to know how much was paid in compensation to the winner.
Someone spoke about the possibilities of the casino winning if the winner doesn't have much more to back his case and also getting a very intelligent legal practitioner then, there are heavy chances of the player losing his case to the betting platform and that would cause him so much especially.
After going through the links and stuffs like that, I believe that the player will win this case and get the betting company pay for damages and compensation as well.

If he can get a lawyer to help him solve his cases, he can win the case and get the casinos to pay the money. But we know the casino could have hired a better lawyer than that person because the casino must also have a legal team to solve the case. And if that were the case, that person would likely find it difficult to win him over. There is a possibility that the case is not resolved or even the case disappears and we will never know the truth.

[AicecreaME]

I think OP needs to update the thread because I was really Intereted in this topic and to know how much was paid in compensation to the winner.

it seems like there is still no updated news about this. I searched around and found an article(quoted below) that was recently released but it is the same information that we got from the OP. anyway, it is possible that the complainant and the lottery have had a settlement in secret and were not covered by the media that's why we don't see an update.

Another celebrated court matter in the gaming environment this year was that of the lottery brand Green Lotto and its agent, Charles Akhenanen, dragged before the Lagos State High Court over its refusal to pay a businessman his winning sum of N72,700,000.

Green Lotto is promoted by Brentwood Multiservices Global Limited.

The complainant, led in evidence in chief by the state prosecuting counsel, Mrs Titilayo Olanrewaju-Daudu, said after collecting the money he won at Premier Lotto, he went to Green Lotto the next day to claim the N72,700,000 he won, but the firm refused to pay him. Explaining its position, Green Lotto stated that the claimant, Sunday Nwachukwu, engaged in irregularities.

Indeed. There is still no update about this till today. I've looked at the thread and there's no single update of the OP on what happened to the case he's fighting for.

It really seems like they just met halfway to settle the issue once and for all, given the silence on the said issue. Although I really hope he never did because it is his right after all to get the exact winning prize since he got the exact combination. It's not his fault that their database got messed up right after the draw. They should always do their due diligence in every circumstances.

In addition, he has the proofs needed as he told way back then, to prove that he got the winning combination and really won the lottery. If these were authenticated in the court, the more reason he has to fight for it and the company to pay him his winnings.

[YOSHIE]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Some countries lottery/gambling is legal and some countries lottery/gambling is illegal, if you talk about laws, it depends.

I mean, there are lottery companies that are illegal and there are legal ones, if the user wins the lottery the lottery dealer doesn't pay, let's say the lottery company is legal, if the winning user has enough proof of his winnings that user will get the lottery and vice versa it is illegal to have no hope for that user.

In the case as you mentioned, it seems legal, it is marked that the user is likely to get the lottery.

[Vaculin]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Some countries lottery/gambling is legal and some countries lottery/gambling is illegal, if you talk about laws, it depends.

I mean, there are lottery companies that are illegal and there are legal ones, if the user wins the lottery the lottery dealer doesn't pay, let's say the lottery company is legal, if the winning user has enough proof of his winnings that user will get the lottery and vice versa it is illegal to have no hope for that user.

In the case as you mentioned, it seems legal, it is marked that the user is likely to get the lottery.

Good point, the bettor can't chase the ones who operates illegally because the government don't know who to chase and even if the bettor files a case to a certain person who operates it, it will still backfire at him as it's his risk why he did bet to an illegal lottery despite knowing the fact. But if it's a legal lottery, the bettor have every right to claim whatever amount he is entitled once he can prove that he won the lottery. The lottery's excuse is too shallow, I doubt that there will be a courthouse that will save them.

[xSkylarx]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Some countries lottery/gambling is legal and some countries lottery/gambling is illegal, if you talk about laws, it depends.

I mean, there are lottery companies that are illegal and there are legal ones, if the user wins the lottery the lottery dealer doesn't pay, let's say the lottery company is legal, if the winning user has enough proof of his winnings that user will get the lottery and vice versa it is illegal to have no hope for that user.

In the case as you mentioned, it seems legal, it is marked that the user is likely to get the lottery.

But mostly this kind of case is illegal and for sure what you've expected on this?  If legal as long as you have the winning ticket then the case will end, and you'll be sure that you can get the money but if it is illegal it is more likely the lottery will close and not open or they will keep blind that you didn't win even if you have that ticket. I heard this rumours around our neighbourhood when I was a child that a lottery closed because someone won big and they didn't pay him so he can't chase them as he doesn't know them.

[rahmad2nd]

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Whatever the result would be, we can't deny the fact that it will still affect the trust rate of the said casino. Many players will have doubts and may switch to other casinos because of the fear that the same thing might happen to them. In case the accusation would be proven wrong, the site can rebuild their reputation again but it can't still erase the issue completely. If they will be proven guilty, they have to pay the higher cost of damages to the gambler.

In fact, we do not get any new information regarding the development of this case. looks like Op, is no longer interested in this discussion. however, based on what you said. I think the answer will be very relative regarding whether or not it affects the level of trust in the casino lottery platform, moreover here we are not the judges who determine who is guilty.

The problem is, you don't have accurate information because both parties claim each other and end up in court. if we want to judge it more objectively, of course we have to look at the facts from both sides. whether it's from the complainant, or the lottery platform which says that the lottery winner committed an act of irregularity. and whoever is proven guilty must be held accountable. if the complainant is proven to be fraudulent, then he must be held accountable for the consequences and if the platform is proven to be fraudulent.  therefore, they must pay according to their responsibility to the lottery winners and risk losing their loyal customers.

[dothebeats]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Some countries lottery/gambling is legal and some countries lottery/gambling is illegal, if you talk about laws, it depends.

I mean, there are lottery companies that are illegal and there are legal ones, if the user wins the lottery the lottery dealer doesn't pay, let's say the lottery company is legal, if the winning user has enough proof of his winnings that user will get the lottery and vice versa it is illegal to have no hope for that user.

In the case as you mentioned, it seems legal, it is marked that the user is likely to get the lottery.

But mostly this kind of case is illegal and for sure what you've expected on this?  If legal as long as you have the winning ticket then the case will end, and you'll be sure that you can get the money but if it is illegal it is more likely the lottery will close and not open or they will keep blind that you didn't win even if you have that ticket. I heard this rumours around our neighbourhood when I was a child that a lottery closed because someone won big and they didn't pay him so he can't chase them as he doesn't know them.

This is why you only bet on government-accredited agents for your lottery bets. You should only bet on the national lottery so that you can always chase them and sue them if they refuse to pay. Those lotteries you speak off are small-town lotteries usually run by some rich local or some corrupt politicians. You won't have any shot in getting these guys into jail because they know so well that no matter how hard you try to get them pay you, you'll have to provide legal proof that they really owe you money. If what they're doing is already illegal, then obviously you don't want to pursue them because that might even put you in hot water.

I have heard similar stories here in our locality too. Instead of going after the operator (which they never know who that is), they just let it go because even the agent doesn't even know who he's working for.

[Viscore]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Some countries lottery/gambling is legal and some countries lottery/gambling is illegal, if you talk about laws, it depends.

I mean, there are lottery companies that are illegal and there are legal ones, if the user wins the lottery the lottery dealer doesn't pay, let's say the lottery company is legal, if the winning user has enough proof of his winnings that user will get the lottery and vice versa it is illegal to have no hope for that user.

In the case as you mentioned, it seems legal, it is marked that the user is likely to get the lottery.

Right, as there are certainly legal and illegal operating lottery. But if the said lottery is legal, if the bettor has provide valid proofs that will point him as the winner, then the legally operating lottery should abide with the rules and have to pay the winner his winning amount. Otherwise, this legal lottery will be subject for closure once proven that it’s not following the lottery rules and policies implemented by the government.

[Fortify]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What an utterly bizarre story and it gives a very poor impression of the lottery company involved. You should be careful about intermingling two unrelated cases because one might be a case where the company was generally terribly managed and they should pay up because their own systems were so poorly designed, whereas the second case does seem more like suspicious activity on behalf of the claimant. You always need to look at the evidence presented instead of assuming that one party is instantly the victim. In the first they would likely lose if the person took the case to court and could give even some basic evidence, because for the company to claim their system is wiped is very negligent.

[AmoreJaz]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Some countries lottery/gambling is legal and some countries lottery/gambling is illegal, if you talk about laws, it depends.

I mean, there are lottery companies that are illegal and there are legal ones, if the user wins the lottery the lottery dealer doesn't pay, let's say the lottery company is legal, if the winning user has enough proof of his winnings that user will get the lottery and vice versa it is illegal to have no hope for that user.

In the case as you mentioned, it seems legal, it is marked that the user is likely to get the lottery.

Right, as there are certainly legal and illegal operating lottery. But if the said lottery is legal, if the bettor has provide valid proofs that will point him as the winner, then the legally operating lottery should abide with the rules and have to pay the winner his winning amount. Otherwise, this legal lottery will be subject for closure once proven that it’s not following the lottery rules and policies implemented by the government.

you have high hopes if the site is legal as they will do the right thing to maintain their business operations. that is, if they see that it is their fault in the system and not the player. but some will find all the loopholes that they can think of just to avoid the payment of winnings. if they have no money to pay, they may even close down their site. in such cases, you can tell what will the lottery operator will do on how they are set-up as a business, is it legal or not? if it is under the govt and the lottery winner has all the proofs that he won, he may get his winnings. but if not, high likely that the lottery operator will just ignore the huge winnings, and abandon the business.

[freedomgo]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Some countries lottery/gambling is legal and some countries lottery/gambling is illegal, if you talk about laws, it depends.

I mean, there are lottery companies that are illegal and there are legal ones, if the user wins the lottery the lottery dealer doesn't pay, let's say the lottery company is legal, if the winning user has enough proof of his winnings that user will get the lottery and vice versa it is illegal to have no hope for that user.

In the case as you mentioned, it seems legal, it is marked that the user is likely to get the lottery.

But mostly this kind of case is illegal and for sure what you've expected on this?  If legal as long as you have the winning ticket then the case will end, and you'll be sure that you can get the money but if it is illegal it is more likely the lottery will close and not open or they will keep blind that you didn't win even if you have that ticket. I heard this rumours around our neighbourhood when I was a child that a lottery closed because someone won big and they didn't pay him so he can't chase them as he doesn't know them.

Well, that would be an expected consequence if someone bets from an illegal betting company, and he knows he can’t do anything about it but regret. But here, the lottery company seems legal but their reason of not paying is just very light and unreasonable, but only the court will prove it if who’s been the telling the truth. Once proven, then the one who is at fault should be given proper sanction.

[Mahanton]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Some countries lottery/gambling is legal and some countries lottery/gambling is illegal, if you talk about laws, it depends.

I mean, there are lottery companies that are illegal and there are legal ones, if the user wins the lottery the lottery dealer doesn't pay, let's say the lottery company is legal, if the winning user has enough proof of his winnings that user will get the lottery and vice versa it is illegal to have no hope for that user.

In the case as you mentioned, it seems legal, it is marked that the user is likely to get the lottery.

But mostly this kind of case is illegal and for sure what you've expected on this?  If legal as long as you have the winning ticket then the case will end, and you'll be sure that you can get the money but if it is illegal it is more likely the lottery will close and not open or they will keep blind that you didn't win even if you have that ticket. I heard this rumours around our neighbourhood when I was a child that a lottery closed because someone won big and they didn't pay him so he can't chase them as he doesn't know them.

Well, that would be an expected consequence if someone bets from an illegal betting company, and he knows he can’t do anything about it but regret. But here, the lottery company seems legal but their reason of not paying is just very light and unreasonable, but only the court will prove it if who’s been the telling the truth. Once proven, then the one who is at fault should be given proper sanction.

You would be saving up your ass on the entire hassle and action if you had just do your assignment on making yourself deal with the legit company or site that we do have in the market because even though risk is there but most of chances you would really be paid up and this is why its not really that recommendable for you to touch up places which arent known or been recognized by this community because high chancest
that you might get scammed or not getting paid if you do able to hit up something, if we do consider out lottery winnings then its huge and you cant really just be that relaxed if ever
you wont be paid but there are things which ends up that there's nothing you can do but to move on.

[Woodie]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

If they can provide the proof that their client was involved in the fraudulent lottery win then of course they can win this case.. but if this is some bluff to try buy time or wasting the courts time then for sure they will pay extra for defamation of character, wasting time for the court and failing to honor their obligation, good luck to them.

And why are these guys so convinced that clients can't win unless their is a an irregularity, maybe these lotteries are rigged not to be won which is why they want to run to the courts???

[crzy]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

If they can provide the proof that their client was involved in the fraudulent lottery win then of course they can win this case.. but if this is some bluff to try buy time or wasting the courts time then for sure they will pay extra for defamation of character, wasting time for the court and failing to honor their obligation, good luck to them.

And why are these guys so convinced that clients can't win unless their is a an irregularity, maybe these lotteries are rigged not to be won which is why they want to run to the courts???

This may take time but will surely ruin the reputation of that lottery, there should be no irregularity especially if you are just betting with your old numbers and luckily, got it correctly. If that lottery company still refuse to pay you hopefully the court can force them and ask for damages as well, winning the lottery should not be stressful like this, they should be more professional and pay the winner in time.