Congratulation, Bitcoin has reached 500 GB size hard disk data

[Sarah Azhari]

I heard the news that bitcoin is most close to receiving 500 GB size hard disk data, so I am just confused if a newbie or beginner tries to start download bitcoin, how much minimum hard disk he must buy and prepare?

how many blockchains are there until bitcoin is mined?, is possible 10 terabytes?,

Is the default hard disk still good to use, or move to SSD?

I just try to download, but when over 3 days, my hard disk is slow to receive blockchain data, seems low in header sync when opening and closing bitcoin core. (I use a default Hard disk of 10 terabyte)

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[LoyceMobile]

Ideally, put at least chainstate on SSD, and use 4096 MB dbcache. With those settings, any modern computer should be able to sync the blockchain within a day. Assuming your internet connection can handle it.
1TB is enough for many years to come.

[philipma1957]

Ideally, put at least chainstate on SSD, and use 4096 MB dbcache. With those settings, any modern computer should be able to sync the blockchain within a day. Assuming your internet connection can handle it.
1TB is enough for many years to come.

If your internet is 100 mbs speed.
your ram is 16gb
use a 2tb ssd.

for the os and the blockchain.

once you down load the blockchain clone the ssd with the os and the black chain on it.

put the clone in a safe place

you should be good for years and years and years.

plus if the drive dies just swap in your clone and it will synch up fairly quickly since you have the first 500gb on it.

[Sarah Azhari]

and use 4096 MB dbcache.

I don't understand about this, where the setting? Maybe because of this i have problem in half of full bitcoin chain when use 2Tb HDD sync

once you down load the blockchain clone the ssd with the os and the black chain on it.

Is ok when clone it without os?.
 I try to download full blockchainu on external hardisk and change the target to external HD when opening core. So if that's dangerous lost the data, maybe i have to reformat it and create the OS

[hatshepsut93]

how many blockchains are there until bitcoin is mined?, is possible 10 terabytes?,

Blocks will be mined and added to the blockchain for as long as Bitcoin exists. The whole point of the current block size limit is to allow people to have the full blockchain on their computers without making a significant investment into storage. If there's a low barrier for running a full node, then the network will have a huge number of nodes, which is good for decentralization and security.

There's no point in predicting blockchain size many years away from now, because it will depend on the state of storage technology. If there will be some sort of revolution in this field and average people would own drives with hundreds of terrabytes, you can expect the devs to raise the block size limit to slightly improve network capacity.

[LoyceV]

and use 4096 MB dbcache.

I don't understand about this, where the setting?

Settings > Options > Size of database cache > 4096 MiB.
But: only do this if you have enough RAM. In my experience, 8 GB works okay on Linux (without active swapping), it depends on the rest of your system how much you'll need. If you're low on RAM and need to swap on the same hdd, that will make your download much slower.

[hZti]

I heard the news that bitcoin is most close to receiving 500 GB size hard disk data, so I am just confused if a newbie or beginner tries to start download bitcoin, how much minimum hard disk he must buy and prepare?

how many blockchains are there until bitcoin is mined?, is possible 10 terabytes?,

Is the default hard disk still good to use, or move to SSD?

I just try to download, but when over 3 days, my hard disk is slow to receive blockchain data, seems low in header sync when opening and closing bitcoin core. (I use a default Hard disk of 10 terabyte)

Is there actually a reason that you need or want the full blockchain on your computer? I mean if you think it is necessary then do it, but if you have to buy a new hard drive maybe it is not really worth it just to have the blockchain. You can just use a pruned wallet.

[PrivacyG]

Is there actually a reason that you need or want the full blockchain on your computer? I mean if you think it is necessary then do it, but if you have to buy a new hard drive maybe it is not really worth it just to have the blockchain. You can just use a pruned wallet.

Far as I know, a pruned node is helpful if you really want to make disk space economy but does not help you much if you want to run your own Block Explorer or gather all sorts of information from the Bitcoin Blockchain.  While both are still verified and safe, a Full Node is like the complete version of the Blockchain.  You have it all right on your computer and you can make use of it if necessary.

I do not remember honestly but I think you can not use a pruned node to import a new wallet and sync it up.  I think you will need to go through the entire Blockchain again for that.

Moreover.  You are going to help the Bitcoin network by running a Full Node.  You will gather block information, but you will also provide others yours.  This is how the Decentralized Peer to Peer thingy works.

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PrivacyG

[LoyceV]

I do not remember honestly but I think you can not use a pruned node to import a new wallet and sync it up.

I think you mean an old wallet: new wallets don't need to check for old transactions. In fact, a pruned node can update an old wallet, as long as the data goes back to the last time the wallet was connected. So if you prune Bitcoin Core to 100 GB, and only update your different wallets once a year, it still works fine.

Moreover.  You are going to help the Bitcoin network by running a Full Node.  You will gather block information, but you will also provide others yours.  This is how the Decentralized Peer to Peer thingy works.

A pruned node can also propagate the latest blocks to other nodes (which means you'll upload a lot less).

[franky1]

Moreover.  You are going to help the Bitcoin network by running a Full Node.  You will gather block information, but you will also provide others yours.  This is how the Decentralized Peer to Peer thingy works.

A pruned node can also propagate the latest blocks to other nodes (which means you'll upload a lot less).

(facepalm)

you are pretty much saying a bittorrent of a movie file where you have watched the entire movie. but then only keep  the last 5 minutes of a movie file will allow others to watch.............. (now lets be honest) only the movie credits of the guys involved in sound effects

your ignoring that blockchain. is a blockchain not a "relay current tx" or "propagate latest block" network

do you think a bittorrent system of mvie files would sustain and work well if majority of users only keep the credits final 5 minutes. would that really appease everyone wanting to watch whole movies where instead of 1000 seed sources 1 leacher. they only have 2 seed sources and 999 leachers

if you are not decentralising the blockchain by archiving the blockchain your not supporting the network

if majority of the network is pruned. there is only a minority of the network seeding the blockchain.
meaning more centralised, less distributed

imagine the bandwidth demand increase by new users who can only get initial block download from low minority. that low minority then has bandwidth bottlenecks which means everyone leaching from them get slower IBD time. meaning more delays and cries that "it takes too long"

if all you care about is relaying latest tx or latest height blocks.. you are not looking to be a full node. you can be happy with a light node

stop pretending that prune=full
learn the word full. its true meaning

full nodes is a term that existed before prunning did. because fullnodes done the full job of verification and archiving.

pruning is a step down from full.
..
with that said. individuals that dont care much for protecting the network. can and do have free choice to prune. but they need to be made aware that they are not fully supporting the network.

bittorrent analogy. dont pretend a leacher is a seeder if the leacher only wants to have the final 5 minutes of movie credits

[LoyceV]

your ignoring that blockchain. is a blockchain not a "relay current tx" or "propagate latest block" network

I'm not ignoring anything, I'm just stating a fact. Here's another fact: my full node uploads 28 times more than it downloads. When I ran a pruned node that was allowed to upload, it still uploaded more than it downloaded. Many people run Bitcoin Core without uploading, and after their initial sync, those people can get all the blocks they need from a pruned node.

do you think a bittorrent system of mvie files would sustain and work well if majority of users only keep the credits final 5 minutes.

Bittorrent doesn't need updates every few minutes, this comparison makes no sense. But if there's a TV-series with 200 episodes, you'll find there are more seeders for the last episode than for the first episode. And that's fine, because there are also more downloaders for the last episode. So maybe your comparison makes sense after all, just not in the way you intended.

if you are not decentralising the blockchain by archiving the blockchain your not supporting the network

I'm supporting the network just fine:

Code:

{
  "totalbytesrecv": 90994820791,
  "totalbytessent": 2597366605245,
  "timemillis": 1669451854985,
  "uploadtarget": {
    "timeframe": 86400,
    "target": 524288000000,
    "target_reached": false,
    "serve_historical_blocks": true,
    "bytes_left_in_cycle": 515675185681,
    "time_left_in_cycle": 24522
  }
}

By now I've uploaded much more than I've ever downloaded.

if majority of the network is pruned. there is only a minority of the network seeding the blockchain.
meaning more centralised, less distributed

Each pruned node still verifies all the blocks, and from the network's perspective, a full node that isn't uploading still contributes less than a pruned node that uploads the latest blocks.

imagine the bandwidth demand increase by new users who can only get initial block download from low minority.

I have never experienced any bandwidth shortage. When I'm downloading, it downloads as fast as my system can handle. And when I'm uploading, only 0.028 of the allocated 0.5 TB per day gets used.

that low minority then has bandwidth bottlenecks which means everyone leaching from them get slower IBD time. meaning more delays and cries that "it takes too long"

Most cries come from their own hardware limitations.

if all you care about is relaying latest tx or latest height blocks.. you are not looking to be a full node. you can be hapy with a light node

Or you can be happy with a pruned node. The choice is yours. Bitcoin gives you that freedom.

[franky1]

your ignoring that blockchain. is a blockchain not a "relay current tx" or "propagate latest block" network

I'm not ignoring anything, I'm just stating a fact. Here's another fact: my full node uploads 28 times more than it downloads. When I ran a pruned node that was allowed to upload, it still uploaded more than it downloaded. Many people run Bitcoin Core without uploading, and after their initial sync, those people can get all the blocks they need from a pruned node.

i agree with you that listening only mode is also not supporting the network and not having full features of bitcoin core activated. thus not also a full node status

but while you endlessly want to only discuss current block current tx relay stuff.. your forgetting the decentralised blockchain invention.. yep you dont want to compare the lack of facility of security of distributing the full blockchain

you trying to call pruned "full" is the ignorance on your part

pruned/listen only are "self verification" for personal use and personal security of accounting. but thats not "full node" for the network facility of all users

and by the way.
thanks for showing your data ups and downs. it helps show that you are well below the average limits of todays technology

unlike what a certain other person thinks where we are breaking limits today and bitcoin cant scale

but here is the thing

if there was say 10k nodes full noding in full feature activates modes
the pressure is off of you to not need to be seeding the 100k mix of less than full nodes

if that full node changed to 1k due to promoting pruning as "full"
the pressure/bottleneck then multiplies

my whole point is
its ok if you choose if you do or do not want to support the network. but own up to your choices.
dont switch features off and then pretend you are supporting the network because you read on a forum that someone said that switching off features was still full

instead people should be calling out the crap
make sure the people on the forum are not kissing your ass and telling you everything is ok to switch network services off. when infact switching off features then centralises a smaller pool of full network feature activated nodes

oh and then dont read silly forum posts that bitcoins full feature activated nodes are more centralised because technology of 2022 is actually a myth and its actually 2007
because thats just the opposite of truth

[ABCbits]

I heard the news that bitcoin is most close to receiving 500 GB size hard disk data, so I am just confused if a newbie or beginner tries to start download bitcoin, how much minimum hard disk he must buy and prepare?

My personal recommendation is at least 1TB storage to ancipate blockchain size growth.

how many blockchains are there until bitcoin is mined?, is possible 10 terabytes?,

There's no upper size limit of blockchain size.

Is the default hard disk still good to use, or move to SSD?

HDD is good enough based on my experience if you either,
1. Move chainstate directory to SSD and add symbolic link.
2. Set Bitcoin Core to use >=4 GB RAM so most file on chainstate directory is loaded into RAM.

Moreover.  You are going to help the Bitcoin network by running a Full Node.  You will gather block information, but you will also provide others yours.  This is how the Decentralized Peer to Peer thingy works.

A pruned node can also propagate the latest blocks to other nodes (which means you'll upload a lot less).

To be precise, pruned node share latest 288 blocks no matter how much latest block is stored.

[darkangel11]

Is 500GB a lot? 5TB drives cost less than $100, so $20 for 1 TB. $20 gives you enough space to run a system, some basic software and have enough space to run full node at least until 2025. If you're a bitcoiner, you should be able to spend $20-50 every few years on your hobby.

An interesting fact: monero uses more space than bitcoin. Its current requirements are smaller but it's much younger than bitcoin and holds less transactions but it requires more space per transaction, so if it keeps growing it's going to require much more drive space than bitcoin in 5-10 years.

[LoyceV]

you trying to call pruned "full" is the ignorance on your part

I did not do such a thing. When I say full node, I mean Bitcoin Core with the full blockchain.

Is 500GB a lot?

Many budget laptops nowadays come with with 256 GB. It's very fast storage, but can't easily be increased. On desktops you're right, storage space shouldn't matter.

An interesting fact: monero uses more space than bitcoin.

I was especially surprised by how slow it is to sync. It took about 10 times longer than Bitcoin, on the same server.

[franky1]

Is 500GB a lot? 5TB drives cost less than $100, so $20 for 1 TB. $20 gives you enough space to run a system, some basic software and have enough space to run full node at least until 2025. If you're a bitcoiner, you should be able to spend $20-50 every few years on your hobby.

funny part is those not wanting to scale bitcoin. think spending $20-$50 every few years is bad.. and people should use altnets without being a full noder.. but think bitcoiners spending $1-$3 every day/week/month on network fee's is good,  

seems they fail basic math

average pc upgrade $100 hard drive every 4 years+
=$25 a year
=~$2 a month
not everyone has to pay because not everyone NEEDS to be a full node just to transact
some call this "unaffordable for the masses"
vs
$1 a tx (daily user)
=$30 a month
yet everyone would have to pay this just to transact
some call this "affordable and harmless for the masses"


$2 a month vs $30 a month. which is the number that hurts pockets more for daily users
answer: the tx fee. not the hard drive

[DaveF]

A Seagate Ironwolf 12TB 7200RPM, which although being sold as a NAS drive does work very well for blockchain storage, is under $249
Use anything you want for your boot / OS drive and stick the blockchain on there and you are good till just about the end of time.

I use a pair of slightly smaller wolfs mirrored together and they hold the data for 2 BTC nodes, and an ETH node and I/O utilization even under the IBD I am doing now for a MyNodeBTC I am setting up for someone is under 15%.

Drive storage is cheap. Used 1TB drives are just about free.

-Dave

[Hamza2424]

Let's wait for the 1TB size then we can say that we are going to hit 200k haha. Storage is not a big issue in my views for the year 2022 and hardware resources as well in this time or era we are living we own resources but their efficient utilization is the issue its still developing thats a good mode.

[tranthidung]

I heard the news that bitcoin is most close to receiving 500 GB size hard disk data, so I am just confused if a newbie or beginner tries to start download bitcoin, how much minimum hard disk he must buy and prepare?

Downloading Bitcoin is not correct!

You actually meant about downloading a complete Bitcoin blockchain to your wallet and store it at your computer (hard disk), that is for a Bitcoin full node.

Pros and Cons of Bitcoin Node types (Full node and Prune node)

On another hand, a newbie or a beginner does not have to start with a full node or Bitcoin Core. They can have a more affordable option, with SPV wallet like Electrum wallet. With SPV wallet, they don't have to prepare too much storage space like Bitcoin core (either full node or prune node).

Electrum: https://electrum.org/#download and verify it

[PrivacyG]

A Seagate Ironwolf 12TB 7200RPM, which although being sold as a NAS drive does work very well for blockchain storage, is under $249
Use anything you want for your boot / OS drive and stick the blockchain on there and you are good till just about the end of time.

All of my Hard Disks have failed after about two to three years.  As in, they became extremely slow up to a point where they were practically unusable.  HDD's are cheap but they also have a short life span.  Is this not a problem you encounter?  For me this is why I rather choose an SSD instead.  Although more expensive, that one I can truly say could last you possibly forever.  I at least never had an issue with any of mine.

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Regards,
PrivacyG