Request: New Local Board for Pakistan (Urdu)

[Igebotz]

I see you comparing the numbers but I don't think it's all about that in getting your request approved, you had just 18 active members last month while we had over 70, all engaging in production discussion as we mandated on the thread with low quality been deleted (discouraged). Lets talk about the activeness of our local users on the general forum, you can take a look at the names on the table, alot of them are quite productive on the general forum and Nigeria like thread are filled all over the forum.

This is an aspect that affects many local boards. There are many users who, despite being from a particular country or language, end up not participating in that country/language board. Perhaps because of the aspect you mentioned, because they think it has greater privacy or repales.

I think this shouldn't happen on a forum like Bitcointalk, although unfortunately I know it happens.

In turn, I don't think it's the fact that it only has 18 active users, clearly, that prevents them from having a local board. Those 18 can be much more active than the 70 of other cadres (I'm not saying that those 70 participate little).

If you look closely at the quoted monthly stats, there were an average of 50 active participation on the Nigeria board each month, and keep in mind that there are more new members who have yet to be added, and my reason is that I want to see how active they will stay on the thread and not someone who will just make a post and disappear. For the reasons stated on the Chart op, no newbies were added. A comparison should never be made in the first place. Creating a local board is more than just activities; many criteria must be met, and Nigeria has been without one for nearly two years. Nigeria is one of the top five countries in terms of crypto adoption. is also a big plus. It is unlikely that theymos will create a local board with 200+ pages for only 18 active members.

So if you ask me a fair comparison of active members is 29 vs 52

In terms of simple math, how is that a fair comparison? Riding on Nigeria's success will not get you one; it took almost two years after the official request thread to get one, and Nigeria did not make a valid reason by riding on the existing local boards. Doubting Theymos' decision will only make things more difficult for you because that is exactly what you are doing.

BTW i wish Pakistans luck.......

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[joker_josue]

If you look closely at the quoted monthly stats, there were an average of 50 active participation on the Nigeria board each month, and keep in mind that there are more new members who have yet to be added, and my reason is that I want to see how active they will stay on the thread and not someone who will just make a post and disappear. For the reasons stated on the Chart op, no newbies were added. A comparison should never be made in the first place. Creating a local board is more than just activities; many criteria must be met, and Nigeria has been without one for nearly two years. Nigeria is one of the top five countries in terms of crypto adoption. is also a big plus. It is unlikely that theymos will create a local board with 200+ pages for only 18 active members.

I am not against the creation of the Nigeria board. On the contrary, I am happy for another local painting. Which shows how the forum is still alive and active since its creation.

I'm just of the opinion, that one should not devalue something, to praise something else.

What the PB wanted was to take advantage of movements in this direction - the creation of new local staff, to propose the creation of a specific one for your locality.

As I said, there are many factors to be taken into account when creating a new local board. And I think that the number of active users doesn't always mean that a local board is bigger than another. There are boards with few active users, but very relevant to the community. Others have many users, but have less relevance. It will always depend on how the analysis is done.

Perhaps for @theymos, the number of views of a local board/post is more relevant, which it can analyze in the forum's internal statistics, than the number of active users, to decide whether or not to create a new local board.

Furthermore, I think that the fact that a local board has waited 2, 3 or 5 years to appear does not mean that a new local board has to wait the same amount of time. Each case is different, and should be assessed that way.


Either way, again, congratulations on the new local board for Nigeria.

[ThemePen]

If you look closely at the quoted monthly stats, there were an average of 50 active participation on the Nigeria board each month, and keep in mind that there are more new members who have yet to be added, and my reason is that I want to see how active they will stay on the thread and not someone who will just make a post and disappear. For the reasons stated on the Chart op, no newbies were added. A comparison should never be made in the first place. Creating a local board is more than just activities; many criteria must be 

 
So 50 active members is the bar set by our Nigerian friends... to get a board? I mean really?
 
Ok we will try our best to bring 50+ active members too
 
But the question still remains what's the official/ minimum criteria to get a board?
 

Nigeria has been without one for nearly two years. Nigeria is one of the top five countries in terms of crypto adoption. 

 
Yes Nigeria is in the top countries, so is Pakistan... a quick G O O G L E "top countries in terms of crypto adoption"
 
https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/2022-global-crypto-adoption-index/
 
Pakistan 6
Nigeria 11
 
First google result.
 

So if you ask me a fair comparison of active members is 29 vs 52

In terms of simple math, how is that a fair comparison? Riding on Nigeria's success will not get you one; it took almost two years after the official request thread to get one, and Nigeria did not make a valid reason by riding on the existing local boards. Doubting Theymos' decision will only make things more difficult for you because that is exactly what you are doing.

 
Come on why you Nigerians taking it so negatively? shahzadafzal clearly said Nigeria is mentioned as an example, we are taking it positively... nothing against you guys. Every one of congratulated you first before presenting our case.
 
Why you guys can't support? I don't understand.. 50 users 10 or 5... if someone requests to have their own board... we both countries speaking different languages... URDU... is our language... this will be the main medium of communication... how it will effect you guys?
 
I really don't understand why you guys became so against and taking it personally.

[shahzadafzal]

Afaik, Cyrus as well has the rights to create new local boards (well, at least he granted us new child boards) so he might have been behind Nigerian local board as well. By the way, have you ever sent PM to either of those two, with arguments why you think there should be a Pakistan local board, or at least to give you some criteria that you have to meet?

Needless to say that I think that you deserve local board as well but even if you don't get it anytime soon, at least you know now that it is still possible, as long as you keep your local thread active as you have been doing for some time.

I don't think Cyrus will do this, the only guy who can do, it is theymos.

You are right and now we have requested, we just wait and hodl meantime we will try to keep our lonely thread active as much as possible.

Last thing we will always be thankful to your stats for the local boards... really they give big encouragement to all members to see their names and activity on the top. Thank you once again from all of us.

May be a local campaign to support the topic will give us some more insights except the numbers that are presented. What do you think @shahzadafzal?

Yes, the request for board discussion has been going on for quite some time internally in our thread, but we were reluctant to request it since a long long time we haven't seen thyemos creating any local community thread.

Now when we saw Nigeria has been given their own local board so we thought i guess it's time to request for our own local board too.

Perhaps for @theymos, the number of views of a local board/post is more relevant, which it can analyze in the forum's internal statistics, than the number of active users, to decide whether or not to create a new local board.

That was in my mind too, that's why in my first image I tried to highlight the number of views of Pakistan thread 2,590,488 vs Nigeria Thread 548,686.
We have 2.59 millions views vs 500k views, but unfortunately our Nigerian friends took it negatively and thought of it as a competition.

riding on the success of the Nigerian local baord

Riding on Nigeria's success

Dear CryptopreneurBrainboss and igehhh please again don't take the comparison negatively. Comparison was just for the sake of an example for theymos. If I start comparing, I can argue many things....

Nigeria's local thread was created on March 18, 2019 where Pakistan thread was created on June 12, 2013

Yes we have less active users on the "thread" but did you not see even with few "active" users Pakistan thread's have 400% times more views? How?

Again please stop saying “riding on the success of the Nigerian” local board... Come on, that's so mean.

Like many of us pointed out our local board will be in our local language focused URDU, that's our national language. Nigeria's National language is English. The whole forum is like your own board

But that's not the case for many of us... so please support us.

 

[UmerIdrees]

I see you comparing the numbers but I don't think it's all about that in getting your request approved, you had just 18 active members last month while we had over 70, all engaging in production discussion as we mandated on the thread with low quality been deleted (discouraged). Lets talk about the activeness of our local users on the general forum, you can take a look at the names on the table, alot of them are quite productive on the general forum and Nigeria like thread are filled all over the forum.

Yes, we tried to compare the Nigerian board with our Pakistan board but the comparison was never for the purpose of showing that you got it wrong or that we deserved it first. It was never like that, rather we are all very happy that Nigerians got their board and it is good for them and everyone.

You guys should come together and make some quality noise for yourself and try to encourage other native users to engage on your thread and carry your total engagement up in regards to users contributing to the thread instead of posts being made. Good luck on your request, make it a little less competitive but appealing.

Previously we are demanding for our local board and now again we are making noise for our board. Yes, we have less number of users and we shall encourage native users to post on the local board.
I think we have enough views, posts and all the stats to make it an appealing request to have our local board. Yes, we lack in 2 things, first, the active user's numbers are less, and second, we do not have any DT members in our community (if that might be the criteria too)

[Igebotz]

If you look closely at the quoted monthly stats, there were an average of 50 active participation on the Nigeria board each month, and keep in mind that there are more new members who have yet to be added, and my reason is that I want to see how active they will stay on the thread and not someone who will just make a post and disappear. For the reasons stated on the Chart op, no newbies were added. A comparison should never be made in the first place. Creating a local board is more than just activities; many criteria must be met, and Nigeria has been without one for nearly two years. Nigeria is one of the top five countries in terms of crypto adoption. is also a big plus. It is unlikely that theymos will create a local board with 200+ pages for only 18 active members.

As I said, there are many factors to be taken into account when creating a new local board. And I think that the number of active users doesn't always mean that a local board is bigger than another. There are boards with few active users, but very relevant to the community. Others have many users, but have less relevance. It will always depend on how the analysis is done.

Perhaps for @theymos, the number of views of a local board/post is more relevant, which it can analyze in the forum's internal statistics, than the number of active users, to decide whether or not to create a new local board.

I do not believe that it is about views; a random piece of garbage can receive up to a million views with fewer than ten comments. Therefore, having a million views with less active members is not a good sign. The first important stage in obtaining a local board is the number of current members; you cannot award a local board based on its membership nine years ago or on the fact that it is the oldest and most popular board. com'on this is not Youtube

Perhaps for @theymos, the number of views of a local board/post is more relevant, which it can analyze in the forum's internal statistics, than the number of active users, to decide whether or not to create a new local board.

That was in my mind too, that's why in my first image I tried to highlight the number of views of Pakistan thread 2,590,488 vs Nigeria Thread 548,686.
We have 2.59 millions views vs 500k views, but unfortunately our Nigerian friends took it negatively and thought of it as a competition.

Comparing a view of a thread created in 2013 to a local thread created in 2019 seems absurd and useless, as it simply demonstrates the high activity on the Naija local board and the high decline in activity on the Pakistan thread.

Riding on Nigeria's success

Again please stop saying “riding on the success of the Nigerian” local board... Come on, that's so mean.

This is not how an official request should be written. This is more of a set of comparison graphs. Maybe you should look at how the Nigeria request was written and how we gained the forum's full support. When Nigeria got a local board, did you suddenly realize that Pakistan needed one?

well i support your request... my last post here.

[Rikafip]

Last thing we will always be thankful to your stats for the local boards... really they give big encouragement to all members to see their names and activity on the top. Thank you once again from all of us.

I am glad to hear that. The main reason why I included yours, Nigerian and Bangladesh threads into my overviews ~2 years ago is when I realized that activity in those topics regularly surpasses activity of many other local boards, meaning there is a valid argument for creation of additional local boards as I understand their importance for both forum and members coming from those countries. And I also thought that there is a slight chance that comparisons might even induce a healthy sort of competition between local boards (and members) which could result in more activity.

In terms of simple math, how is that a fair comparison?

Speaking of fair comparisons, it also wasn't fair from CryptopreneurBrainboss to bring into this thread two very different active member tables (yours that included members who weren't active for months or even a year and theirs that included members active in the first 2 weeks of December), making difference in active members much bigger than it actually is.

Honestly I see no reason why both of you are feeling somehow offended that they used you getting a local board as an argument for them getting theirs, like that is somehow diminishing your success. If anything, I expected "yes theymos, they deserve their local board too" kind of responses, and not this.

Sure, shahzadafzal could have and should have made a better request topic (and he still can add more arguments) but I really expected different type of support from Nigerian members as if anyone knows how hard it was to get one, its you. Or you think that everyone should go through the same hoops like you did in order to keep your success bigger? I argue the opposite, you should have gotten your local board  much sooner  and not everyone should reach your numbers in order to get one.

[joker_josue]

I do not believe that it is about views; a random piece of garbage can receive up to a million views with fewer than ten comments. Therefore, having a million views with less active members is not a good sign. The first important stage in obtaining a local board is the number of current members; you cannot award a local board based on its membership nine years ago or on the fact that it is the oldest and most popular board. com'on this is not Youtube

I think you misunderstood when I said statistics! I don't mean the statistics that are presented here in the forum in each topic. This is irrelevant, because if I open the post 100 times, it will get 100 more views. Those statistics are of little value, for what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about internal statistics, which are not seen by users, server statistics. The server statistics list where the actual views to the site come from, which countries they see, how long they are on the site, and which topics are viewed the most.

This data can be much more relevant to the creation of a local board than the data we all have access to, which are very limited and imprecise.

[shahzadafzal]

I do not believe that it is about views; a random piece of garbage can receive up to a million views

garbage? I will ignore this...

This is not how an official request should be written.

That was for theymos, but ok.

When Nigeria got a local board, did you suddenly realize that Pakistan needed one?

Of course not, we need a board that was in our mind since when .. let me guess 2013?

But yeah Nigeria board creation gave us a boost and courage to request for it now!!!

well i support your request... my last post here.

Thank you and we appreciate your support... hakuna matata!!!

Sure, shahzadafzal could have and should have made a better request topic (and he still can add more arguments) but I really expected different type of support from Nigerian members as if anyone knows how hard it was to get one, its you. Or you think that everyone should go through the same hoops like you did in order to keep your success bigger? I argue the opposite, you should have gotten your local board  much sooner  and not everyone should reach your numbers in order to get one.

I agree but I try to present Nigeria as an example.

My bad I know it really looks like a comparison or we are trying to compete against Nigeria but sincerely it's unintentional.

I really expected different type of support from Nigerian members as if anyone knows how hard it was to get one, its you.

Trust me that was another reason in my mind too, I thought we will get support from the Nigerian community that's why I started the newly created Nigeria board... little I know about our friends

(and he still can add more arguments)

Yes I will bring more stats here... I did a yearly review of our thread last year 2021 and will do it for this year too after Dec 2022 will present both stats here.


@Rikafip guide please what you think should I add these stats in the opening post or just another reply in the thread will be fine?

[UmerIdrees]

I do not believe that it is about views; a random piece of garbage can receive up to a million views with fewer than ten comments. Therefore, having a million views with less active members is not a good sign.

Yes, our garbage is producing a million views, think when we start to post a bit more sensibly, that would break the Internet  

well i support your request... my last post here.

Thanks for your support.
Again I wanted to say Congratulations to you and all the Nigerians on this huge achievement.  

[Hamza2424]

I do not believe that it is about views; a random piece of garbage can receive up to a million views with fewer than ten comments. Therefore, having a million views with less active members is not a good sign. The first important stage in obtaining a local board is the number of current members; you cannot award a local board based on its membership nine years ago or on the fact that it is the oldest and most popular board. com'on this is not Youtube

even how can you say that, dear you are comparing the whole views of community responses to the piece of garbage really, are you trying to offend or forcing someone to react, I don't know the motive but dear throughout the whole discussion on this thread my fellows were so appreciating to the Nigerian community. I don't see any jealousy but when we are comparing stats what is wrong with it? Active members hah as shahzadafzal said he just included the long-run active members on thread only?

[aysg76]

The monthly activity is high in Pakistan board as we see from @Rifakip local board monthly activity charts but what happened with Nigerian community is long awaited efforts with lot of requests from the members and after so many years they have finally received this as pre Christmas gift from @theymos.

You can also request it for and other members from your community can show support to it and maybe we also see addition of one more board but it will take some time or if @theymos have it he will implement it.I have seen there is lot of discussion in your local threads and merit ratio is also there but you need to request it along with the community back so maybe you also get it and hope you also have it.

As you said more stats and proper thread with graphical representation explaining the points of your local board and why you need it will be much better.More if comes from few more members like the Nigerian community has shown from long with some regular threads and follow up briefing about merits, active users and posts on forum.So think about it and hope for best.

I always imagined that Pakistan and India speak same or similar language, but this is not the case, most Indians also speak very good english language.

We can say that English is common language among them but there is difference in other languages as Hindi is most common in parts of India while Urdu is the language for Pakistani people so it's not entirely same if we want to write post in their own local boards in these languages.But yes the English writing style for many Indians is good as you see most parts of the country has this language along with their regional language so they don't have problems in it.

[JunaidAzizi]

First of all i would like to say congratulations to Nigeria . its a very happy moment for them but also a motivation for us that how they got their own local board on bitcointalk. Their efforts were really appreciating but now its time for them to support us in this request of local board for Pakistan. It's a very painful for us that our efforts were ignored. Urdu language is not only practicing in Pakistan but also in different countries where the Pakistani  lives. So i stand with shahzadafzal and request to Theymos to take a look on it and create a local board for us too.

[irfan_pak10]

Hello dear, I see what you're trying to do but in trying to get yourself a local board by riding on the success of the Nigerian local baord, don't make it seems like we deserve this achievement any less please.

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I dont know what makes you think that this is some kind of competition, He just used some charts and figures for comparison purposes, as we have requested the Pakistani local board previously and some recommended we should have at least 600 pages before we can request one. For that purpose, I believe OP used some number and a reference to request our local board. It's not what you think,  We are really happy that you guys got your local board with determination and hard work.

[Rehan Zakir]

We need a local board because Pakistani community is growing day by day. The reason is that the Pakistani community is very cooperative.
So, if we have our own local board it will increase our community.

[_BlackStar]

I dont know what makes you think that this is some kind of competition, He just used some charts and figures for comparison purposes, as we have requested the Pakistani local board previously and some recommended we should have at least 600 pages before we can request one. For that purpose, I believe OP used some number and a reference to request our local board. It's not what you think,  We are really happy that you guys got your local board with determination and hard work.

I agree OP and all Pakistani users deserve their own local board like Nigerian local board. Request has been made some data has been submitted, so I guess you and all other members of Pakistan just hope admin accepts this request. I support your wish, but of course the admin might give it if you have got the criteria or conditions needed.

I don't know what the criteria are, but when I look at the comparison between Pakistan and Nigeria stat then of course it's not that much difference. The number of active posters may be one condition, but there must be other conditions as well. Wishing all the best, and good luck to Pakistani users.

[dkbit98]

Honestly I see no reason why both of you are feeling somehow offended that they used you getting a local board as an argument for them getting theirs, like that is somehow diminishing your success. If anything, I expected kinda "yes theymos, they deserve their local board too" kind of responses, and not this.

I never thought I would see members who just received new local board (and we all supported that for some time) being against creating one more local board,
or nitpicking and finding flaws and mistakes in OP request topic, but I have seen worse things in this forum so I am not really surprised.
There are some local boards that exist today and they have much less members than guys from Pakistan, and they are less active.
Proposition to OP for improving this request is to add potential Child Boards that could be added right away, we found out it helps keeping everything in order.

[un_rank]

There is no limit to the number of local boards that can be created to the best of my knowledge and it is no surprise that others would make a push for the creation of theirs close after someone else has gotten it. It shows that the creation of the Naija local board inspires hope in other forum members and they would want to share in their success story.

A hearty congratulations to all the Nigerians around the forum and good luck to all Pakistanis too. Hopefully, we would be congratulating you guys in no distant time.

- Jay -

[noormcs5]

There is no limit to the number of local boards that can be created to the best of my knowledge and it is no surprise that others would make a push for the creation of theirs close after someone else has gotten it. It shows that the creation of the Naija local board inspires hope in other forum members and they would want to share in their success story.

A hearty congratulations to all the Nigerians around the forum and good luck to all Pakistanis too. Hopefully, we would be congratulating you guys in no distant time.

- Jay -

Seems like all this debate is because we do not have clear rules mentioned about the local board creation. If the rules were clearly written and the criteria for the creation of a local board were known to everyone, it would not be a problem.

Also, i thought that theymos had abandoned on the idea of more local board creation but after this Nigerian local board was created recently, we will many new request being raised from different local threads to create a board of their own.

[irfan_pak10]

There is no limit to the number of local boards that can be created to the best of my knowledge and it is no surprise that others would make a push for the creation of theirs close after someone else has gotten it. It shows that the creation of the Naija local board inspires hope in other forum members and they would want to share in their success story.

A hearty congratulations to all the Nigerians around the forum and good luck to all Pakistanis too. Hopefully, we would be congratulating you guys in no distant time.

- Jay -

Seems like all this debate is because we do not have clear rules mentioned about the local board creation. If the rules were clearly written and the criteria for the creation of a local board were known to everyone, it would not be a problem.
-snip-

There are no specific rules for creating a local board. I think this reply best explains it.

The brief answer is that posting translated coin announcements in Other languages/locations threads is -snip- Best advice I can give you right now is to help create an active Pakistani community on Bitcointalk, it's a long term effort and in the end the forum might help you expand in a board of your own. However, the latest local board created was the Philippines one, before it being created their lthread had ~600 pages.