[Boxing] Devin Haney vs Vasiliy Lomachenco - May 20

[Hypnosis00]

I guess some of us are rooting for Loma to win, I think we still believed that even at his so called poor performance the last time and he is already old and could be in the stage wherein he might be entering the phase of not able to pull the trigger anymore.

But let's hope that it's not the case for Loma.

He is still great and this could be his biggest fight and could determine his legacy.

Count me in, I still believe Loma will win this fight. Although he may be the older boxer and some people think he is not in his prime anymore, there's only one way to find out, and that's to watch this fight. I'm not confident that he will win easily because if he does, it will be a hell of a fight since Haney is an undefeated boxer with many strategies to beat his opponents.

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[Shamm]

I guess some of us are rooting for Loma to win, I think we still believed that even at his so called poor performance the last time and he is already old and could be in the stage wherein he might be entering the phase of not able to pull the trigger anymore.

But let's hope that it's not the case for Loma.

He is still great and this could be his biggest fight and could determine his legacy.

Count me in, I still believe Loma will win this fight. Although he may be the older boxer and some people think he is not in his prime anymore, there's only one way to find out, and that's to watch this fight. I'm not confident that he will win easily because if he does, it will be a hell of a fight since Haney is an undefeated boxer with many strategies to beat his opponents.

Every fighter has a chance of winning and for this fight if we talk about lomachenco for me he can still prove that he can win even if he is not in his prime years. Lomachenco is a good boxer and have a extraordinary ability to control the fight. Even he is in the stage of almost losing then he can make a way to win the fight. And for this fight ill go for lomachenco win or loss but this is not gonna be an easy fight as we all know how devin fight in the ring. He is tough opponent so lomachenco will be challenge in this fight.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Lomachenko has predicted that Tank Davis will win against Garcia.

2023 Vasiliy Lomachenko favors Gervonta Davis over Ryan Garcia, talks Fury vs Usyk

On a Gervonta Davis vs Ryan Garcia matchup
“I said before it’s very interesting fight. It depends how they prepare for this fight. If they prepare 100%, both, it will be very interesting and very hard for both, tough for both. Because they understand boxing and I think, my opinion, Gervonta Davis will win.

“He’s very technical, he has the power, he has the speed, and he knows how he needs to move. And he always fight with guys who are (taller) than him.”

I've also read some posts suggesting that Ryan Garcia doesn't like Lomachenko's prediction and would like to fight Lomachenko after he knocks out Tank Davis. What do you think - is Garcia being too disrespectful by making Lomachenko's prediction too personal?

Lomachenko could probably beat Ryan Garcia but that fight will not happen for another 2 years and Lomachenko will be further from his prime and I would give Ryan Garcia the edge because he will develop experience and only get better. Lomachenko can only get worse. Loma wins against Devin Haney and probably pushes to get this Ryan Garcia fight because it will be another big pay check before he retires but I do not think he is taking his career too seriously. He is just fighting so he can earn as much money before he retires. I do not know if he will win against Devin Haney but if he does I think that is the path he will take and will retire shortly after the Ryan Garcia fight.

Well, about Garcia, that's another story, I think the focus here should be directly on what Loma can do, we all know that LOMA is one of the most emblematic boxers, both he and Bivol are boxers who generate a lot of audience, obviously the emotions of the fans and the bettors are generated at a very high level, so if you start to see when the Devin and Loma fight comes, for me it is very important, many bet on Haney, and somehow according to what I have read in articles and some boxing forums they lean a lot towards him, making Loma not so strong and things could be different.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/03/paulie-malignaggi-previews-haney-vs-lomachenko/

Malignaggi notes that Lomachenko (17-2, 11 KOs) has wanted to be an undisputed champion since he turned professional a decade ago in 2013, and he may have missed out on his best chance of accomplishing that when he opted not to face George Kambosos Jr when he held all the belts. On the other hand, Haney (29-0, 15 KOs) is the legitimate four-belt champion at 135, and he’s arguably more well-respected than Kambosos Jr. So if Lomachenko can find a way to deal with Haney’s length, jab, and youth, he’s going to receive a massive amount of credit from the boxing public.

Source: Paulie Malignaggi Previews Haney Vs. Lomachenko - Boxing News 24 (https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/03/paulie-malignaggi-previews-haney-vs-lomachenko/)

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/03/paulie-malignaggi-previews-haney-vs-lomachenko/

[Jating]

^^ Yes, it was very obvious that Loma's ambition is to be ea unified champion ever since he step up in the ring. As for the source, Paulie M? I mean there are a lot of former boxers that have their own opinion on this fight, and for me Paulie is not a good source of info, just saying.

Loma has been telling this to the public ever since he step up in pro boxing, so there is no surprises here. It was just he lost to Teo Lopez and then had a rough time specially with the war in the background in his native country.

[Yamifoud]

^^ Yes, it was very obvious that Loma's ambition is to be ea unified champion ever since he step up in the ring. As for the source, Paulie M? I mean there are a lot of former boxers that have their own opinion on this fight, and for me Paulie is not a good source of info, just saying.

Loma has been telling this to the public ever since he step up in pro boxing, so there is no surprises here. It was just he lost to Teo Lopez and then had a rough time specially with the war in the background in his native country.

That's the goal of every boxer: they want to be the best of the best. In the case of Loma, we can certainly see how good he is, but his loss to Teo really changed people's minds on how they see Loma now. Some think he is not in his prime anymore, and that Haney is even better than Teo, so how can he win this fight? I understand he is the underdog, but it doesn't matter. I like him to win.

[Ziskinberg]

^^ Yes, it was very obvious that Loma's ambition is to be ea unified champion ever since he step up in the ring. As for the source, Paulie M? I mean there are a lot of former boxers that have their own opinion on this fight, and for me Paulie is not a good source of info, just saying.

Loma has been telling this to the public ever since he step up in pro boxing, so there is no surprises here. It was just he lost to Teo Lopez and then had a rough time specially with the war in the background in his native country.

That's the goal of every boxer: they want to be the best of the best. In the case of Loma, we can certainly see how good he is, but his loss to Teo really changed people's minds on how they see Loma now. Some think he is not in his prime anymore, and that Haney is even better than Teo, so how can he win this fight? I understand he is the underdog, but it doesn't matter. I like him to win.

That will make the fight exciting because Loma is dedicated to beating Haney. In most of his fights, he is listed as the favorite, but here it seems like everyone is on the other side. It's a challenge for him, and with that, I think we can trust him to work hard to win. As long as we see an entertaining fight - meaning not a one-sided fight dominated by Haney - it should be fun and worth risking money for Loma.

[freedomgo]

Yes, it could be, but what if both fighters have winning streak as well? Then where we will base out betting? So it's better to look at the age difference or who is it's prime or not. Although it can be negated, but at least this factor should be taken into consideration.

That is the struggle for us bettors because there is no fight that is already guaranteed, we are just basing on their chances and some other factors that we should take into consideration that could somehow play an important role to their upcoming fight. However, in this case, both of them came out from a win but with a different streaks and that could mean something.

And if that doesn't help, then perhaps we could somehow compare their recent performances from their previous fights as we could find something that could help us to figure things out.

The credentials of the two boxers that we are able to evaluate are the only factors that determine our odds of winning. The age of Loma is a factor and the Ortiz match demonstrated this. To his credit, Haney has performed remarkably twice on Kambosos. Additionally, Ortiz is not at the level of Kambosos. Anyhow, we might also think that the ring rust made it difficult for Loma to overcome the strategy of Ortiz. Therefore, our goal is to determine whether Loma will perform better than in his previous match with Ortiz. In addition to this match with Haney, if Loma will feature eighty percent, the more the better of his prime, It makes this an intriguing event.

That's the thing - we're comparing these two based on their last opponents. However, that's not a good way to measure who is better because Loma is experienced and is not a popular boxer for no reason. While Haney is one of the hottest boxers in his generation, he hasn't faced someone as smart and clever as Loma. I don't want to say something bad about Haney as I'm too biased - I like Loma to win, so that makes me biased.

I understand you mate Same here, I'm also rooting for Loma to win the fight because I still have some hopes left in him that his career is not yet finished and what we saw in his last fight was just the version of Loma who was still adjusting to his rhythm but we can see that he's still very observant and did not take any risky steps that could give Ortiz some advantage. Hence, why the outcome of that fight was a unanimous as all judges voted for him.

But Haney though, he might not have the same experience and IQ like Loma does but he is not an easy boxer to defeat as well. Even if I'm rooting for Loma, I'm still expecting that Loma might have some struggle because of Haney.

I guess some of us are rooting for Loma to win, I think we still believed that even at his so called poor performance the last time and he is already old and could be in the stage wherein he might be entering the phase of not able to pull the trigger anymore.

But let's hope that it's not the case for Loma.

He is still great and this could be his biggest fight and could determine his legacy.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not biased towards Haney just because I'm rooting for Loma to win. Whatever the outcome will be is perfectly fine for me, I just wanted to see Loma in his old form and I do not want to judge him by the performance he did in his last fight because he was from an inactivity where his service is needed in his country.

What I mean is that I still believe in him that it's not yet too late for him as that was just one fight. So, let's see.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

^^ Yes, it was very obvious that Loma's ambition is to be ea unified champion ever since he step up in the ring. As for the source, Paulie M? I mean there are a lot of former boxers that have their own opinion on this fight, and for me Paulie is not a good source of info, just saying.

Loma has been telling this to the public ever since he step up in pro boxing, so there is no surprises here. It was just he lost to Teo Lopez and then had a rough time specially with the war in the background in his native country.

That's the goal of every boxer: they want to be the best of the best. In the case of Loma, we can certainly see how good he is, but his loss to Teo really changed people's minds on how they see Loma now. Some think he is not in his prime anymore, and that Haney is even better than Teo, so how can he win this fight? I understand he is the underdog, but it doesn't matter. I like him to win.

Yeah, but he has his "excuses", he had his shoulder injury that time.

And we didn't see a rematch with a healthy Loma because Lopez refuses to give him that. Maybe he was afraid or just like take that win regardless if Loma says he has to carry that right with injury.

So so this is the closest that Loma will get to the point of getting all the belts, but it's not going to be easy as he is fighting a prime Haney.

[bisdak40]

Yeah, but he has his "excuses", he had his shoulder injury that time.

And we didn't see a rematch with a healthy Loma because Lopez refuses to give him that. Maybe he was afraid or just like take that win regardless if Loma says he has to carry that right with injury.

So so this is the closest that Loma will get to the point of getting all the belts, but it's not going to be easy as he is fighting a prime Haney.

I think that's a legit excuse for that loss but Loma never complained about that injury before the fight, might also be the reason why Lopez was afraid of giving him the rematch as he doesn't dominate Loma even if the latter had that injury.

I think this fight will cement the legacy of Loma as one of the best in the lightweight division, if he could win this one then i think he could retire like he promised two years ago but if ever he will loss then that's the end of him, i mean he just not meant to be the king of this division, he can't carry his speed and power in this 135lb division to beat the champs who are bigger than him.

So, the May 20 date is final per the article i've read and this will be held in the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

BoxingScene.com has confirmed that their 12-round, 135-pound championship match will be held at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. Their fight for Haney’s IBF, WBA, WBC and WBO lightweight titles will headline an ESPN Pay-Per-View show that night.

[AverageGlabella]

If Loma wants to get his reputation back after his Lopez fight he would need to go back and fight Lopez but I think the rematch did not happen because Loma did not have a injury to his shoulder instead he knew that he could not beat lopez because Lopez is at the top of his career and Loma knows he is slowing down and will be retiring soon.

Haney is probably his last big fight and I think he will retire shortly after but I hope he wins so he can retire on a win.

[Botnake]

If Loma wants to get his reputation back after his Lopez fight he would need to go back and fight Lopez but I think the rematch did not happen because Loma did not have a injury to his shoulder instead he knew that he could not beat lopez because Lopez is at the top of his career and Loma knows he is slowing down and will be retiring soon.

Slowing down? I don't think that's what he thinks. Look at Lopez, because he thought he was unbeatable after he beat Loma, he lost to Kambosos who is not really a technical boxer. And we saw how Haney just made Kambosos a punching bag. I think it was Lopez who did not want a rematch, but Loma was eager to have one.

Haney is probably his last big fight and I think he will retire shortly after but I hope he wins so he can retire on a win.

Let's find out.

[Baofeng]

If Loma wants to get his reputation back after his Lopez fight he would need to go back and fight Lopez but I think the rematch did not happen because Loma did not have a injury to his shoulder instead he knew that he could not beat lopez because Lopez is at the top of his career and Loma knows he is slowing down and will be retiring soon.

Lopez though doesn't want to give Loma a rematch, because according to him, they acted like a d**k, and even if there is no rematch clause, both are under Top Rank and Bob Arum loves that rematch because all the money is going to be in-house. But as karma struck, Lopez fought Kambosos, very proud and brandish that he will knock out the Australian, but instead he was outsmart by Kambosos and then they themselves didn't get a rematch or pursue it and just step up in the next weight class.

Haney is probably his last big fight and I think he will retire shortly after but I hope he wins so he can retire on a win.

It could be his last chance to his dream of becoming undisputed, so let's see if Loma is really done and way out of his prime and the Haney is the man at 135 lb.s So if Loma still have some in his tank to win and becoming undisputed.

[Vaculin]

Yeah, but he has his "excuses", he had his shoulder injury that time.

And we didn't see a rematch with a healthy Loma because Lopez refuses to give him that. Maybe he was afraid or just like take that win regardless if Loma says he has to carry that right with injury.

So so this is the closest that Loma will get to the point of getting all the belts, but it's not going to be easy as he is fighting a prime Haney.

I think that's a legit excuse for that loss but Loma never complained about that injury before the fight, might also be the reason why Lopez was afraid of giving him the rematch as he doesn't dominate Loma even if the latter had that injury.

I think this fight will cement the legacy of Loma as one of the best in the lightweight division, if he could win this one then i think he could retire like he promised two years ago but if ever he will loss then that's the end of him, i mean he just not meant to be the king of this division, he can't carry his speed and power in this 135lb division to beat the champs who are bigger than him.

It was just too unfortunate for Lomachenko that time because he was at the height of his career, just one bad shoulder and that resulted to a failure in his campaign towards beating Teofimo Lopez. If only Bob Arum and Loma had a rematch clause, they could've redeem their loss and the belts as well because Lopez will be forced to accept a 2nd fight. Then maybe Loma will have a different situation right now.

[bbc.reporter]

So, the May 20 date is final per the article i've read and this will be held in the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

BoxingScene.com has confirmed that their 12-round, 135-pound championship match will be held at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. Their fight for Haney’s IBF, WBA, WBC and WBO lightweight titles will headline an ESPN Pay-Per-View show that night.

This is another fight where there are 2 very good fighters that will bring the sport of boxing back going forward again very much similar to Tank vs. King Ry and Inuoe vs. Fulton. Terence Crawford and Errol Spence has been a disappointment for the fans. They should learn from the example of Tank and Ryan where there are 2 fighters who are in their correct boxing age to fight each other. I reckon this will break records in pay per view and gross revenue.

In any case, the winner of this will fight the winner of Tank vs King Ry, correct?

The next months will be good for boxing fans. April 22 Tank vs. King Ry, May 7 Inoue vs. Fulton and May 20 Haney vs. Lomanchenko hehehe.

[Botnake]

In any case, the winner of this will fight the winner of Tank vs King Ry, correct?

In my opinion, there's no negotiation yet. If Garcia wins, we'll most likely see a rematch, but if Davis wins, we'll have to wait for a challenger or champion who wants a unification fight. However, let's focus on this event first since Davis vs. Garcia is such a huge fight. It will surely be a sell-out crowd.

The next months will be good for boxing fans. April 22 Tank vs. King Ry, May 7 Inoue vs. Fulton and May 20 Haney vs. Lomanchenko hehehe.

Inoue vs. Fulton is a good fight, but it's not as popular as Davis vs. Garcia since the latter fight will be held in the US.

[Kemarit]

So, the May 20 date is final per the article i've read and this will be held in the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

BoxingScene.com has confirmed that their 12-round, 135-pound championship match will be held at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. Their fight for Haney’s IBF, WBA, WBC and WBO lightweight titles will headline an ESPN Pay-Per-View show that night.

This is another fight where there are 2 very good fighters that will bring the sport of boxing back going forward again very much similar to Tank vs. King Ry and Inuoe vs. Fulton. Terence Crawford and Errol Spence has been a disappointment for the fans. They should learn from the example of Tank and Ryan where there are 2 fighters who are in their correct boxing age to fight each other. I reckon this will break records in pay per view and gross revenue.

In any case, the winner of this will fight the winner of Tank vs King Ry, correct?

The next months will be good for boxing fans. April 22 Tank vs. King Ry, May 7 Inoue vs. Fulton and May 20 Haney vs. Lomanchenko hehehe.

Yeah, this year boxing has started to pick up again with this good fights in the line up for us.

Well that's what we all want to see, but it seems the Ryan might be going to 140 lbs as this is in a catchweight and his last 2 fights prior to this was around welterweight already.

If you are talking about the winner between Haney and Loma fighting the winning of Davis vs Garcia? Could be, but then again, besides Ryan, Haney is also thinking to move to welterweight as well. But we will see, if there is money on the line then why not?

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

In any case, the winner of this will fight the winner of Tank vs King Ry, correct?

In my opinion, there's no negotiation yet. If Garcia wins, we'll most likely see a rematch, but if Davis wins, we'll have to wait for a challenger or champion who wants a unification fight. However, let's focus on this event first since Davis vs. Garcia is such a huge fight. It will surely be a sell-out crowd.

The next months will be good for boxing fans. April 22 Tank vs. King Ry, May 7 Inoue vs. Fulton and May 20 Haney vs. Lomanchenko hehehe.

Inoue vs. Fulton is a good fight, but it's not as popular as Davis vs. Garcia since the latter fight will be held in the US.

It is reported that Garcia and Davis ticket is already sold out, so that is big news for both camps.

And now that the odds are out and Haney is the favorite in this fight, maybe being the underdog will motivate Loma more because it will be such a disrespect for him to see the odds at 2.7x for him as compare to Haney at 1.4x. I thought it is going to be close, but sport bookies might have look at Loma's past performance and his age for that huge underdog odds.

[Vaculin]

In any case, the winner of this will fight the winner of Tank vs King Ry, correct?

In my opinion, there's no negotiation yet. If Garcia wins, we'll most likely see a rematch, but if Davis wins, we'll have to wait for a challenger or champion who wants a unification fight. However, let's focus on this event first since Davis vs. Garcia is such a huge fight. It will surely be a sell-out crowd.

The next months will be good for boxing fans. April 22 Tank vs. King Ry, May 7 Inoue vs. Fulton and May 20 Haney vs. Lomanchenko hehehe.

Inoue vs. Fulton is a good fight, but it's not as popular as Davis vs. Garcia since the latter fight will be held in the US.

It is reported that Garcia and Davis ticket is already sold out, so that is big news for both camps.

And now that the odds are out and Haney is the favorite in this fight, maybe being the underdog will motivate Loma more because it will be such a disrespect for him to see the odds at 2.7x for him as compare to Haney at 1.4x. I thought it is going to be close, but sport bookies might have look at Loma's past performance and his age for that huge underdog odds.

That is expected because Loma just got back from his inactivity and his recent fight was not that great considering that Loma could've dealt with that fight easily but no, Ortiz managed to give Loma some struggles. He shouldn't be affected by these odds because it doesn't mean that he got less chance on defeating the current undisputed, Devin Haney. It's just a figure for the bettors and not entirely about him.

[bisdak40]

Yeah, but he has his "excuses", he had his shoulder injury that time.

And we didn't see a rematch with a healthy Loma because Lopez refuses to give him that. Maybe he was afraid or just like take that win regardless if Loma says he has to carry that right with injury.

So so this is the closest that Loma will get to the point of getting all the belts, but it's not going to be easy as he is fighting a prime Haney.

I think that's a legit excuse for that loss but Loma never complained about that injury before the fight, might also be the reason why Lopez was afraid of giving him the rematch as he doesn't dominate Loma even if the latter had that injury.

I think this fight will cement the legacy of Loma as one of the best in the lightweight division, if he could win this one then i think he could retire like he promised two years ago but if ever he will loss then that's the end of him, i mean he just not meant to be the king of this division, he can't carry his speed and power in this 135lb division to beat the champs who are bigger than him.

It was just too unfortunate for Lomachenko that time because he was at the height of his career, just one bad shoulder and that resulted to a failure in his campaign towards beating Teofimo Lopez. If only Bob Arum and Loma had a rematch clause, they could've redeem their loss and the belts as well because Lopez will be forced to accept a 2nd fight. Then maybe Loma will have a different situation right now.

Unfortunate turn of events indeed for Loma. If you gonna look back on how Haney got all these belts we can say that it's not so difficult, I mean his opposition was not so great. He only beats Kambosos then that's it, he is the unified champion which I think if only Loma directly fight Kambosos, Loma might be the unified champion if he was given the chance.

Bottom line, that rematch clause did some damage or can we say had a lot of say on why we are having this fight right now but maybe this is destiny for Loma, to get all the belts via betting a technical fighter same as him but bigger this time around.

[Baofeng]

Yeah, but he has his "excuses", he had his shoulder injury that time.

And we didn't see a rematch with a healthy Loma because Lopez refuses to give him that. Maybe he was afraid or just like take that win regardless if Loma says he has to carry that right with injury.

So so this is the closest that Loma will get to the point of getting all the belts, but it's not going to be easy as he is fighting a prime Haney.

I think that's a legit excuse for that loss but Loma never complained about that injury before the fight, might also be the reason why Lopez was afraid of giving him the rematch as he doesn't dominate Loma even if the latter had that injury.

I think this fight will cement the legacy of Loma as one of the best in the lightweight division, if he could win this one then i think he could retire like he promised two years ago but if ever he will loss then that's the end of him, i mean he just not meant to be the king of this division, he can't carry his speed and power in this 135lb division to beat the champs who are bigger than him.

It was just too unfortunate for Lomachenko that time because he was at the height of his career, just one bad shoulder and that resulted to a failure in his campaign towards beating Teofimo Lopez. If only Bob Arum and Loma had a rematch clause, they could've redeem their loss and the belts as well because Lopez will be forced to accept a 2nd fight. Then maybe Loma will have a different situation right now.

Unfortunate turn of events indeed for Loma. If you gonna look back on how Haney got all these belts we can say that it's not so difficult, I mean his opposition was not so great. He only beats Kambosos then that's it, he is the unified champion which I think if only Loma directly fight Kambosos, Loma might be the unified champion if he was given the chance.

Bottom line, that rematch clause did some damage or can we say had a lot of say on why we are having this fight right now but maybe this is destiny for Loma, to get all the belts via betting a technical fighter same as him but bigger this time around.

Yeah, but we don't know if only Loma doesn't like to insert a rematch clause or both of them. And maybe he doesn't want the boxing world that he has his injury to be an excuse if he lost, so he proceeds with it. Just like when Russell fought Magsayo, he could have postponed the fight until it healed. But at the Lom vs Lopez, it's a high stake prize and for sure Lopez will say that Loma duck him with that injury excused. But it's history now, Teo doesn't have the belt anymore and Haney has his time when he beat Kambosos twice. Of course we wanted to see a 100% Loma against the big mouth Teo Lopez, but he is now a welterweight and Loma will not go that high and most likely stay at 135 lbs for years or when he retires.