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April 15, 2023, 06:44:20 AM
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Previous belt holder Teofimo Lopez did not hold himself from commenting on this match. According to Teofimo, no one in the division can defeat the Ukrainian master. He praised the many different tactics and skills of Lomachenko' without reservation. However, perhaps Teofimo spoke favorably of Lomachenko in order to improve his status.

Haney as far as it matters for him additionally downsized the Davis and Garcia match. Haney says that Davis and Garcia are just popular, but true boxing fans and writers know how important his fight with Lomachenko is, which will be the battle of No. 1 and No. 2.

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April 15, 2023, 07:58:29 AM
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Previous belt holder Teofimo Lopez did not hold himself from commenting on this match. According to Teofimo, no one in the division can defeat the Ukrainian master. He praised the many different tactics and skills of Lomachenko' without reservation. However, perhaps Teofimo spoke favorably of Lomachenko in order to improve his status.

Haney as far as it matters for him additionally downsized the Davis and Garcia match. Haney says that Davis and Garcia are just popular, but true boxing fans and writers know how important his fight with Lomachenko is, which will be the battle of No. 1 and No. 2.

Is that so? is surprising to hear this from Teo, maybe that is the reason why he doesn't want to give rematch to him because he knows that it might be different outcome if Loma is 100%.

It's true though, the real fight is him vs Loma for all the belts in this division. But what can we say? the public is clamoring for Davis vs Garcia fight and it's what we want. So Haney better proved himself again and defeat Loma so that he can either get the winner of this fight to make a good paycheck for him. But there is also the looming Shakur in the background.

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April 15, 2023, 02:18:26 PM
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Is that so? is surprising to hear this from Teo, maybe that is the reason why he doesn't want to give rematch to him because he knows that it might be different outcome if Loma is 100%.

It's true though, the real fight is him vs Loma for all the belts in this division. But what can we say? the public is clamoring for Davis vs Garcia fight and it's what we want. So Haney better proved himself again and defeat Loma so that he can either get the winner of this fight to make a good paycheck for him. But there is also the looming Shakur in the background.
Lopez said that when he was won against Loma, so he's like boosting his status. But he was beaten by Kambosos and he's not care anymore about the lightweight division. I'm not really sure why there was no rematch between Lopez vs Loma, maybe it's because Loma is still in recovering phase of his shoulder injury.

But the current situation is already different, Lopez lost all his belts and he move up to light welterweight, so there's nothing we need to see their rematch.

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Haney and Mayweather's way of fighting is almost the same that's why the fight between Haney and Kambosos Jr. (first fight) became one of the most boring fights I've ever watched to the point that I slept while watching the fight.

Definitely the same, but Floyd was way more boring than Haney. Even though they are both good fighters, it wouldn't be surprising if their opponents received more cheers than them, with the audience watching the fight hoping that the boring fighter gets knocked out. However, this is Loma we're talking about, and he is a technical fighter. He has already proven in the past that he can beat a boring fighter, as seen in his fight against Guillermo Rigondeaux.

Well I don't know, I think there must be people, fans in the world who really like technical fighting, but not personally, and I have already made that clear, I think the main reason for this sport is to keep everyone in suspense for what might happen, but when it becomes a technical fight, only those who do like the technical aspects do enjoy them, also that is much more work for the boxing judges, nothing is the same, everything is enclosed, and that's not good, also I hope they don't give shows like that because it would really be something very sad.

more about Haney:

Devin Haney responds to Shakur Stevenson calling him out





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By Adam Baskin: Four days after being called out by Shakur Stevenson following his victory over Shuichiro Yoshino in a WBC lightweight title eliminator last Saturday night, undisputed 135-lb champion Devin Haney finally spoke up, saying that he’s “happy“ that the Newark, New Jersey native called him out. However, with the antsy way Devin’s dad Bill acted on Monday when asked whether they’ll make the fight with Stevenson (20-0, 10 KOs), it’s possible that Haney is anything but pleased.


Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/04/devin-haney-responds-to-shakur-stevenson-calling-him-out/

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Lopez will have an attitude to comment on his own match. Most of the boxer will not allow themselves to comment on own matches. Lopez speech was more favourable to the Vasiliy, the Vasiliy should follow the words of Lopez. Because most of the boxer will have their own attitude towards the game. When the boxer had face the same player on the next ring, he will find his own strategy towards the game. This happened in the Lopez match against the Taylor in the past game of match. Haney was waiting for his match against the Lomachenko and this game will be deciding one the top position in the league with good number of supporters from the audience. It’s essential for Lomachenco to improve his game in recent days.
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April 16, 2023, 08:20:05 AM
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Lopez will have an attitude to comment on his own match. Most of the boxer will not allow themselves to comment on own matches. Lopez speech was more favourable to the Vasiliy, the Vasiliy should follow the words of Lopez. Because most of the boxer will have their own attitude towards the game. When the boxer had face the same player on the next ring, he will find his own strategy towards the game.This happened in the Lopez match against the Taylor in the past game of match.Haney was waiting for his match against the Lomachenko and this game will be deciding one the top position in the league with good number of supporters from the audience.

Or maybe the animosity has been step aside by the Lopez's already. I mean prior to fighting Loma, they really hate the guy for every reasons they can think of and the attacks become personal even after they won, they don't want to give Loma his deserved rematch because Teo and his father doesn't want to in the first place.

That's why it's very strange for Teo to back up Loma in this fight against Haney. Or maybe he is looking to fight Haney at 140 lbs as Devin said he will have to go up in weight classes if he had difficult time making 135 lbs.
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April 16, 2023, 05:21:42 PM
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Previous belt holder Teofimo Lopez did not hold himself from commenting on this match. According to Teofimo, no one in the division can defeat the Ukrainian master. He praised the many different tactics and skills of Lomachenko' without reservation. However, perhaps Teofimo spoke favorably of Lomachenko in order to improve his status.

Haney as far as it matters for him additionally downsized the Davis and Garcia match. Haney says that Davis and Garcia are just popular, but true boxing fans and writers know how important his fight with Lomachenko is, which will be the battle of No. 1 and No. 2.

Is that so? is surprising to hear this from Teo, maybe that is the reason why he doesn't want to give rematch to him because he knows that it might be different outcome if Loma is 100%.

It's true though, the real fight is him vs Loma for all the belts in this division. But what can we say? the public is clamoring for Davis vs Garcia fight and it's what we want. So Haney better proved himself again and defeat Loma so that he can either get the winner of this fight to make a good paycheck for him. But there is also the looming Shakur in the background.

I think it's both where Teofimo Lopez truly understand that he was just lucky that he defeated Lomachenko before because the latter wasn't in a 100 percent condition at that time. Hence why Teo and his camp opted for a fight against Kambosos rather than going back against a fully conditioned Loma, they already know their chances, I mean we can't blame them if they chose that way because who knows, Kambosos might fail too but unfortunately, that's not what happened.

This time, it's good that Loma got his chances again to fight for the undisputed title, he deserved this as he could've unified the belts already if it wasn't because of the injury he acquired that made him fail on his path. This should be a good fight because the winner will really benefit from the future fights as Shakur and the winner of Garcia-Davis fight is already queued to fight the undisputed champion.

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April 16, 2023, 07:03:07 PM
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Previous belt holder Teofimo Lopez did not hold himself from commenting on this match. According to Teofimo, no one in the division can defeat the Ukrainian master. He praised the many different tactics and skills of Lomachenko' without reservation. However, perhaps Teofimo spoke favorably of Lomachenko in order to improve his status.

Haney as far as it matters for him additionally downsized the Davis and Garcia match. Haney says that Davis and Garcia are just popular, but true boxing fans and writers know how important his fight with Lomachenko is, which will be the battle of No. 1 and No. 2.

Is that so? is surprising to hear this from Teo, maybe that is the reason why he doesn't want to give rematch to him because he knows that it might be different outcome if Loma is 100%.

It's true though, the real fight is him vs Loma for all the belts in this division. But what can we say? the public is clamoring for Davis vs Garcia fight and it's what we want. So Haney better proved himself again and defeat Loma so that he can either get the winner of this fight to make a good paycheck for him. But there is also the looming Shakur in the background.

I think it's both where Teofimo Lopez truly understand that he was just lucky that he defeated Lomachenko before because the latter wasn't in a 100 percent condition at that time. Hence why Teo and his camp opted for a fight against Kambosos rather than going back against a fully conditioned Loma, they already know their chances, I mean we can't blame them if they chose that way because who knows, Kambosos might fail too but unfortunately, that's not what happened.

This time, it's good that Loma got his chances again to fight for the undisputed title, he deserved this as he could've unified the belts already if it wasn't because of the injury he acquired that made him fail on his path. This should be a good fight because the winner will really benefit from the future fights as Shakur and the winner of Garcia-Davis fight is already queued to fight the undisputed champion.

There was no rematch clause to begin with,

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“Because I’m going to be a d***,” said Teofimo to Fighthub on why he won’t give Lomachenko a rematch. “And because everyone was being a d*** to me and my father.
“You [Team Lomachenko] didn’t want to put a rematch clause on our contract. There’ a lot of things. I could get real dirty into this, but I’m not. I’m looking the other way.

(https://www.boxingnews24.com/2021/01/teofimo-lopez-tells-vasily-lomachenko-move-on-no-rematch/)

I guess we won't see any rematch though, Lopez already move to 140 lbs and will chase a belt against Josh Taylor. On the other hard, Loma is too small to go up in welterweight class, he has been hinting to even go down and face Inoue.

As for the Haney vs Loma fight, the odds hasn't move a bit, Loma is still a 3:1 underdog.


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April 17, 2023, 04:02:58 PM
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Previous belt holder Teofimo Lopez did not hold himself from commenting on this match. According to Teofimo, no one in the division can defeat the Ukrainian master. He praised the many different tactics and skills of Lomachenko' without reservation. However, perhaps Teofimo spoke favorably of Lomachenko in order to improve his status.

Haney as far as it matters for him additionally downsized the Davis and Garcia match. Haney says that Davis and Garcia are just popular, but true boxing fans and writers know how important his fight with Lomachenko is, which will be the battle of No. 1 and No. 2.

Is that so? is surprising to hear this from Teo, maybe that is the reason why he doesn't want to give rematch to him because he knows that it might be different outcome if Loma is 100%.

It's true though, the real fight is him vs Loma for all the belts in this division. But what can we say? the public is clamoring for Davis vs Garcia fight and it's what we want. So Haney better proved himself again and defeat Loma so that he can either get the winner of this fight to make a good paycheck for him. But there is also the looming Shakur in the background.

I think it's both where Teofimo Lopez truly understand that he was just lucky that he defeated Lomachenko before because the latter wasn't in a 100 percent condition at that time. Hence why Teo and his camp opted for a fight against Kambosos rather than going back against a fully conditioned Loma, they already know their chances, I mean we can't blame them if they chose that way because who knows, Kambosos might fail too but unfortunately, that's not what happened.

This time, it's good that Loma got his chances again to fight for the undisputed title, he deserved this as he could've unified the belts already if it wasn't because of the injury he acquired that made him fail on his path. This should be a good fight because the winner will really benefit from the future fights as Shakur and the winner of Garcia-Davis fight is already queued to fight the undisputed champion.

There was no rematch clause to begin with,

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“Because I’m going to be a d***,” said Teofimo to Fighthub on why he won’t give Lomachenko a rematch. “And because everyone was being a d*** to me and my father.
“You [Team Lomachenko] didn’t want to put a rematch clause on our contract. There’ a lot of things. I could get real dirty into this, but I’m not. I’m looking the other way.

(https://www.boxingnews24.com/2021/01/teofimo-lopez-tells-vasily-lomachenko-move-on-no-rematch/)

I guess we won't see any rematch though, Lopez already move to 140 lbs and will chase a belt against Josh Taylor. On the other hard, Loma is too small to go up in welterweight class, he has been hinting to even go down and face Inoue.

As for the Haney vs Loma fight, the odds hasn't move a bit, Loma is still a 3:1 underdog.



I think so too that it is already too late for that rematch because they are now in a separate weight class and if Lomachenko will change division, he will likely go down just like what you've said. So again, it is really unlikely that Teo and Loma will cross path again in the future just to settle the fight that many people believed that is still an unfinished business. Loma is now fighting for the fight he deserved which is to become the undisputed champion, but it won't be that easy because nobody were able to crack Devin Haney up to this date.

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As for the Haney vs Loma fight, the odds hasn't move a bit, Loma is still a 3:1 underdog.

As expected, Loma is still the big underdog here. Everyone is likely rooting for Haney to get an easy win because he is the younger and stronger fighter, so there should be no problem winning. However, I love surprises, so I want Loma to shock Haney and prove to him that he hasn't fought a technically skilled fighter as good as him.

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April 18, 2023, 06:04:59 AM
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As for the Haney vs Loma fight, the odds hasn't move a bit, Loma is still a 3:1 underdog.

As expected, Loma is still the big underdog here. Everyone is likely rooting for Haney to get an easy win because he is the younger and stronger fighter, so there should be no problem winning. However, I love surprises, so I want Loma to shock Haney and prove to him that he hasn't fought a technically skilled fighter as good as him.

Is 'shock' really the appropriate term? LOL. I think that word is used when one is not expected to win, and although Loma is quite the underdog here, he is capable of winning. Perhaps he will surprise the doubters, but the believers won't be shocked because they trust Loma to bring his A-game in the biggest fight of his career this year.

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April 18, 2023, 06:28:21 AM
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As for the Haney vs Loma fight, the odds hasn't move a bit, Loma is still a 3:1 underdog.

As expected, Loma is still the big underdog here. Everyone is likely rooting for Haney to get an easy win because he is the younger and stronger fighter, so there should be no problem winning. However, I love surprises, so I want Loma to shock Haney and prove to him that he hasn't fought a technically skilled fighter as good as him.

Is 'shock' really the appropriate term? LOL. I think that word is used when one is not expected to win, and although Loma is quite the underdog here, he is capable of winning. Perhaps he will surprise the doubters, but the believers won't be shocked because they trust Loma to bring his A-game in the biggest fight of his career this year.

I share your reaction. Why should Loma's win be shocking? Loma has a bigger name than Haney. There is a reason for it. Loma has become a legend because of what he's capable of inside the ring. Admittedly, Haney is much younger, bigger, has reach advantage as well, but I think Loma's speed is still with him despite his age. I think Loma is not rusty yet as a fighter. It is still very possible that he can actually outpoint Haney.
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April 18, 2023, 10:22:27 AM
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As for the Haney vs Loma fight, the odds hasn't move a bit, Loma is still a 3:1 underdog.

As expected, Loma is still the big underdog here. Everyone is likely rooting for Haney to get an easy win because he is the younger and stronger fighter, so there should be no problem winning. However, I love surprises, so I want Loma to shock Haney and prove to him that he hasn't fought a technically skilled fighter as good as him.

Is 'shock' really the appropriate term? LOL. I think that word is used when one is not expected to win, and although Loma is quite the underdog here, he is capable of winning. Perhaps he will surprise the doubters, but the believers won't be shocked because they trust Loma to bring his A-game in the biggest fight of his career this year.

I share your reaction. Why should Loma's win be shocking? Loma has a bigger name than Haney. There is a reason for it. Loma has become a legend because of what he's capable of inside the ring. Admittedly, Haney is much younger, bigger, has reach advantage as well, but I think Loma's speed is still with him despite his age. I think Loma is not rusty yet as a fighter. It is still very possible that he can actually outpoint Haney.

Let's see if Loma is not really in his prime anymore. Haney is hyped for this fight, he is undefeated and his style is hard to defeat, but Loma is still a great boxer. His background in boxing, even from his early years before turning pro, is very impressive already. Let's wait and see.

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As for the Haney vs Loma fight, the odds hasn't move a bit, Loma is still a 3:1 underdog.

As expected, Loma is still the big underdog here. Everyone is likely rooting for Haney to get an easy win because he is the younger and stronger fighter, so there should be no problem winning. However, I love surprises, so I want Loma to shock Haney and prove to him that he hasn't fought a technically skilled fighter as good as him.

Is 'shock' really the appropriate term? LOL. I think that word is used when one is not expected to win, and although Loma is quite the underdog here, he is capable of winning. Perhaps he will surprise the doubters, but the believers won't be shocked because they trust Loma to bring his A-game in the biggest fight of his career this year.

I share your reaction. Why should Loma's win be shocking? Loma has a bigger name than Haney. There is a reason for it. Loma has become a legend because of what he's capable of inside the ring. Admittedly, Haney is much younger, bigger, has reach advantage as well, but I think Loma's speed is still with him despite his age. I think Loma is not rusty yet as a fighter. It is still very possible that he can actually outpoint Haney.

Let's see if Loma is not really in his prime anymore. Haney is hyped for this fight, he is undefeated and his style is hard to defeat, but Loma is still a great boxer. His background in boxing, even from his early years before turning pro, is very impressive already. Let's wait and see.

Haney is very athletic. He is also quick. With his reach advantage he could maintain the distance between him and Loma. He could make use of his jabs to make sure Loma is always kept at bay. Loma will have to do something in order to penetrate Haney's great defense.

Haney is at the peak of his career. Loma is not anymore. I think he is already beginning to face the sunset of his career. That's understandable because he is already 35. But it doesn't necessarily mean he has already lost all of his quickness and accuracy. He still got it. He could still give Haney his first loss.
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As for the Haney vs Loma fight, the odds hasn't move a bit, Loma is still a 3:1 underdog.

As expected, Loma is still the big underdog here. Everyone is likely rooting for Haney to get an easy win because he is the younger and stronger fighter, so there should be no problem winning. However, I love surprises, so I want Loma to shock Haney and prove to him that he hasn't fought a technically skilled fighter as good as him.

Is 'shock' really the appropriate term? LOL. I think that word is used when one is not expected to win, and although Loma is quite the underdog here, he is capable of winning. Perhaps he will surprise the doubters, but the believers won't be shocked because they trust Loma to bring his A-game in the biggest fight of his career this year.

I share your reaction. Why should Loma's win be shocking? Loma has a bigger name than Haney. There is a reason for it. Loma has become a legend because of what he's capable of inside the ring. Admittedly, Haney is much younger, bigger, has reach advantage as well, but I think Loma's speed is still with him despite his age. I think Loma is not rusty yet as a fighter. It is still very possible that he can actually outpoint Haney.

Let's see if Loma is not really in his prime anymore. Haney is hyped for this fight, he is undefeated and his style is hard to defeat, but Loma is still a great boxer. His background in boxing, even from his early years before turning pro, is very impressive already. Let's wait and see.

As per speculations, there's really no clarity whether Loma is already past his prime or not even if his age suggests that it's not yet over but judging from his previous fight, the one when he return from inactivity because of the war, he's not that kind of Loma anymore that we used to know. We surely don't know what happened but I hope he was just adjusting and what we saw in his recent fight wasn't his present form because if ever that was it, I'd say that Devin Haney will definitely win without a doubt.

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As per speculations, there's really no clarity whether Loma is already past his prime or not even if his age suggests that it's not yet over but judging from his previous fight, the one when he return from inactivity because of the war, he's not that kind of Loma anymore that we used to know. We surely don't know what happened but I hope he was just adjusting and what we saw in his recent fight wasn't his present form because if ever that was it, I'd say that Devin Haney will definitely win without a doubt.

I agree that he is still active and winning fights, yet we think he has already passed his prime. Well, let's give him a chance to prove that people are wrong. This is the fight where he is the underdog, and a win here will settle the discussion about whether he is still in his prime or not.



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April 20, 2023, 07:16:35 AM
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As per speculations, there's really no clarity whether Loma is already past his prime or not even if his age suggests that it's not yet over but judging from his previous fight, the one when he return from inactivity because of the war, he's not that kind of Loma anymore that we used to know. We surely don't know what happened but I hope he was just adjusting and what we saw in his recent fight wasn't his present form because if ever that was it, I'd say that Devin Haney will definitely win without a doubt.

I agree that he is still active and winning fights, yet we think he has already passed his prime. Well, let's give him a chance to prove that people are wrong. This is the fight where he is the underdog, and a win here will settle the discussion about whether he is still in his prime or not.

It's because he is facing a young fighter in Devin Haney so we think that he is already passed him prime. And based on his last performance against another young talent in Ortiz, Loma seems to ave difficulty breaking him, as if Loma has lost his steps in boxing.

But we can say that because that's only one fight. Maybe he is just off that night against Ortiz. But he still manage to win that fight. For sure he knows that he has been criticized on that performance and maybe will show better and send message that he is still one of the best and not out of his prime yet.

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April 20, 2023, 11:53:58 AM
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As per speculations, there's really no clarity whether Loma is already past his prime or not even if his age suggests that it's not yet over but judging from his previous fight, the one when he return from inactivity because of the war, he's not that kind of Loma anymore that we used to know. We surely don't know what happened but I hope he was just adjusting and what we saw in his recent fight wasn't his present form because if ever that was it, I'd say that Devin Haney will definitely win without a doubt.

I agree that he is still active and winning fights, yet we think he has already passed his prime. Well, let's give him a chance to prove that people are wrong. This is the fight where he is the underdog, and a win here will settle the discussion about whether he is still in his prime or not.

It's because he is facing a young fighter in Devin Haney so we think that he is already passed him prime. And based on his last performance against another young talent in Ortiz, Loma seems to ave difficulty breaking him, as if Loma has lost his steps in boxing.

But we can say that because that's only one fight. Maybe he is just off that night against Ortiz. But he still manage to win that fight. For sure he knows that he has been criticized on that performance and maybe will show better and send message that he is still one of the best and not out of his prime yet.
But every boxer has a different style. He may have problems with one boxer but find it easy to beat another. We know Haney is a different boxer since Loma hasn't fought him before, so maybe Loma can devise a strategy that will work for Haney, and he'll win impressively here.

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April 20, 2023, 04:15:47 PM
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I agree that he is still active and winning fights, yet we think he has already passed his prime. Well, let's give him a chance to prove that people are wrong. This is the fight where he is the underdog, and a win here will settle the discussion about whether he is still in his prime or not.

His last performance was truly not that amazing and no doubt that will not be enough to beat a younger Devin Haney also he cannot be just lacking in his training because his opponent is more strong this time and he is the underdog who really needs to perform well to convince the judges to give him the points if ever the fight will last up to 12 rounds. If ever he can really clash with Haney without getting much damage from his power punch then he has the chance to turn the table due to his reach experience.

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April 21, 2023, 06:34:45 PM
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It would be a significant upset if Loma ends up winning, but it's hard to say for certain until they're in the actual fight. While it's easy to make predictions, we shouldn't be too convinced by them since anything can happen in the ring. It's also important not to underestimate Loma's abilities as he's known for being a technical fighter who is good at exposing his opponents' weaknesses.

Although he's a slow starter, he's a skilled finisher and could potentially surprise us in this matchup.

This kind of a fight where people will not gonna blink when these will finally meet each other in the ring because anything could happen and they will gonna go clashing once they gauge that they can take each other punches. I think this fight will not last long until 12 rounds because both are known to knock out their opponent easily and they won't gonna make the fight last once they smell some blood when their opponent is struggling. Whatever the result of the fight would be, I hope the fans will be satisfied with the results and will not gonna waste their money just to see this fight.

Not only do you think that way, this fight will be very good here, as far as I'm Concerned it's a pity that more is Expected that more will have many Critics and that above all in the middle of the fight the eyes of the world will be there, Everyone gives it for He was a winner against Haney and yes, it could happen, he is a very Complete boxer, he has an exquisite technique and is enviable by many,but here too Loma is not just any boxer nor is he a rookie, besides, I don't know how his Training is going, but He has a lot to give and you should know that by now, a surprise is very possible.

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