[Boxing] Devin Haney vs Vasiliy Lomachenco - May 20

[btc_angela]

Imho, Lomachenko landed more punches than Haney, but Haney's punches did more visual damage.

Loma landed more punches to Haney's face, while Haney landed more punched to Loma's body. I think punch on face should be count higher than body punch because it's not easy to punch someone punch than his body.

Many people including professional boxers were surprised to see Haney won against Loma, but we're forgot the one who really surprised Haney can won the match is the Haney himself

Yes, I guess we should accept that fact already, I mean majority here, maybe leaning towards Loma because he is the underdog and somewhat Haney has some attitude specially pushing Loma in the weigh-in/face-off.

But in the fight, let's say Haney is effective early with his body shots, but there are rounds that it seems that Loma is taking over and Haney fading and just throwing punches just to survived the rounds. And I don't think that the body punches on Loma is effective though, he didn't slow down, on the contrary as the rounds goes, he become more accurate and efficient.

[mu_enrico]

Why do you think head punch should be more valued than body punch ? Head punches only make damage more visible.

This is a misconception between pro and amateur boxing. In amateur, head punches are valued more, or in other words, amateur boxers will try to score points to the head. Body blow is only used to open the defense, not they tried to score points with body blows.

As I said, Loma will win 100% if this fight was an amateur one.

However, in pro boxing, other than it's damage-based (head/body doesn't matter), the politics/money, and hometown advantage are real. One can argue Loma threw and landed more punches, but it's all subjective in the jury's eyes whether or not Loma damaged Haney more.

[TopTort777]

As this is a professional boxing fight, a sports were big money were involved, dont forget that odds on Loma were 3 and greater. Imagine how much bookies would have to pay if judges did not help Haney to win that fight. Not saying that this is a strong fact of fixed fight, but just a theory. American undefeated fighter, that fights at home with 3 American judges, who is about to become a champ of all organizations. And on the other side Ukrainian fighter. Dont want to go into politics, but another huge fight were judges spoiled everything...

[Baofeng]

It was reported that this fight just did 275k-300k buy in the PPV market.

Way off when you compare it to the Garcia vs Davis fight which did over 1 million PPV. And that's the difference really between a fighter that can market themselves like Ryan and Tank as against the belt holder in Haney. And that is one thing that they said against Haney, is that he did poor in PPV. But let's see if Tank or Shakur or anyone calling him is going to happen and see if the numbers will do good against his fight with Loma.

Although personally I thought that Loma vs Haney will do like at least 500k buys.

[Kemarit]

It was reported that this fight just did 275k-300k buy in the PPV market.

Way off when you compare it to the Garcia vs Davis fight which did over 1 million PPV. And that's the difference really between a fighter that can market themselves like Ryan and Tank as against the belt holder in Haney. And that is one thing that they said against Haney, is that he did poor in PPV. But let's see if Tank or Shakur or anyone calling him is going to happen and see if the numbers will do good against his fight with Loma.

Although personally I thought that Loma vs Haney will do like at least 500k buys.

Still good numbers whichever way we look at it. If you look at the numbers of Canelo vs Ryder, rumor has it that it only did 150,000-200,000 buys,  Angry Eddie Hearn reacts to low Canelo vs. Ryder PPV buy reports.

So I guess it's a good gauge for Haney's fight and it's up as to who will be his next dance partner. Will it be Shakur Stevenson? or Top Rank willing to go to the table and negotiate with Tank Davis.

[BitcoinPanther]

However, in pro boxing, other than it's damage-based (head/body doesn't matter), the politics/money, and hometown advantage are real. One can argue Loma threw and landed more punches, but it's all subjective in the jury's eyes whether or not Loma damaged Haney more.

Lol, I thought you will be talking about skills, phasing, defense, ring generalship, but yeah sadly politics and money + home advantage often ways more than the skill of a boxer.   But nothing beats when the referee take the matter in his hand  .  Just like what Tony Weeks did in Barroso - Romero fight.  Barroso is leading on all the judges score cards so Tony Weeks take the matter in his hand and stop the fight, no need for the judges to meddle with their score cards. 

As this is a professional boxing fight, a sports were big money were involved, dont forget that odds on Loma were 3 and greater. Imagine how much bookies would have to pay if judges did not help Haney to win that fight. Not saying that this is a strong fact of fixed fight, but just a theory. American undefeated fighter, that fights at home with 3 American judges, who is about to become a champ of all organizations. And on the other side Ukrainian fighter. Dont want to go into politics, but another huge fight were judges spoiled everything...

Sounds like one big scheme to me. Anyway the fight is done the decision had been cast, lets wait what will happen after the camp of Lomachenco file the protest.

[Viscore]

Sounds like one big scheme to me. Anyway the fight is done the decision had been cast, lets wait what will happen after the camp of Lomachenco file the protest.

The question is, how long will it take for the protest to receive an answer? It's okay to file a protest, but they also need to learn how to move on. The fight is over, and Haney has been declared the winner. So, what's next for Lomachenko? I guess he still has that killer instinct in the ring. Surely, with his performance, there are champions out there who are willing to give him a chance. Besides, Loma could help attract good pay-per-view sales.

[TopTort777]

It was reported that this fight just did 275k-300k buy in the PPV market.

Way off when you compare it to the Garcia vs Davis fight which did over 1 million PPV. And that's the difference really between a fighter that can market themselves like Ryan and Tank as against the belt holder in Haney. And that is one thing that they said against Haney, is that he did poor in PPV. But let's see if Tank or Shakur or anyone calling him is going to happen and see if the numbers will do good against his fight with Loma.

Although personally I thought that Loma vs Haney will do like at least 500k buys.

Imho there is such huge gap between two fights in PPV sales because of Garcia. He is 51% YouTube guy or the Internet celebrity, and 49% a prodigy boxer. People dont watch boxing because of sports itself, they watch it because of trend and popularity of boxers. Despite Lomachenko is the greatest, he is not a showman, he is boring if we speak about selling fights.

As this is a professional boxing fight, a sports were big money were involved, dont forget that odds on Loma were 3 and greater. Imagine how much bookies would have to pay if judges did not help Haney to win that fight. Not saying that this is a strong fact of fixed fight, but just a theory. American undefeated fighter, that fights at home with 3 American judges, who is about to become a champ of all organizations. And on the other side Ukrainian fighter. Dont want to go into politics, but another huge fight were judges spoiled everything...

Sounds like one big scheme to me. Anyway the fight is done the decision had been cast, lets wait what will happen after the camp of Lomachenco file the protest.

Having a protest is useless. Who cares if commission announce this fight as a draw, call for a rematch or cancel the result. Everyone would still remember that Haney won. Only those who have watched the fight would know the truth. Others would go to wiki and see 30-0 in Haney's record and claim he is undefeated and best of the best.

[Maslate]

It was reported that this fight just did 275k-300k buy in the PPV market.

Way off when you compare it to the Garcia vs Davis fight which did over 1 million PPV. And that's the difference really between a fighter that can market themselves like Ryan and Tank as against the belt holder in Haney. And that is one thing that they said against Haney, is that he did poor in PPV. But let's see if Tank or Shakur or anyone calling him is going to happen and see if the numbers will do good against his fight with Loma.

Although personally I thought that Loma vs Haney will do like at least 500k buys.

Imho there is such huge gap between two fights in PPV sales because of Garcia. He is 51% YouTube guy or the Internet celebrity, and 49% a prodigy boxer. People dont watch boxing because of sports itself, they watch it because of trend and popularity of boxers. Despite Lomachenko is the greatest, he is not a showman, he is boring if we speak about selling fights.

One of the reasons is that they aren't able to market the fight effectively, unlike the Garcia vs. Davis fight where both boxers engaged in a lot of trash talk against each other. That's a significant difference. It's difficult to expect them to surpass the success of Garcia vs. Davis when both boxers aren't generating a lot of buzz on the internet or social media.

[yazher]

One of the reasons is that they aren't able to market the fight effectively, unlike the Garcia vs. Davis fight where both boxers engaged in a lot of trash talk against each other. That's a significant difference. It's difficult to expect them to surpass the success of Garcia vs. Davis when both boxers aren't generating a lot of buzz on the internet or social media.

If that's the case, then the next fight will be like that if they wanted to make it happen because Stevenson has called Haney for a fight and they cannot afford to reject that offer because surely it will be a blockbuster because both are a known and popular fighter in this era. no doubt that it will gonna be some huge noise on social media because both can be trash talkers and can actually promote their fight to generate huge income. I wonder if they gonna pursue that fight despite of controversial win of Haney against Loma.

[Vaculin]

It was reported that this fight just did 275k-300k buy in the PPV market.

Way off when you compare it to the Garcia vs Davis fight which did over 1 million PPV. And that's the difference really between a fighter that can market themselves like Ryan and Tank as against the belt holder in Haney. And that is one thing that they said against Haney, is that he did poor in PPV. But let's see if Tank or Shakur or anyone calling him is going to happen and see if the numbers will do good against his fight with Loma.

Although personally I thought that Loma vs Haney will do like at least 500k buys.

What's there to expect? I mean, it was already expected that this fight will have a much lower PPV buys compared to the mega fight that Garcia vs Davis did recently or any fight that Canelo did. Although it's a much awaited fight for most of the fans especially because Lomachenko will be seen again and many have been asking if he was already at the sunset of his career and then there's Haney that has been known to be boring because of his style. I bet at least 300k was their target.

[bisdak40]

What's there to expect? I mean, it was already expected that this fight will have a much lower PPV buys compared to the mega fight that Garcia vs Davis did recently or any fight that Canelo did. Although it's a much awaited fight for most of the fans especially because Lomachenko will be seen again and many have been asking if he was already at the sunset of his career and then there's Haney that has been known to be boring because of his style. I bet at least 300k was their target.

300k-500k might be their target as seldom we will see a fight that exceeds 1M PPV buys after Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather's era.

Have read an article that Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia exceeds 1M buys which might be true due to the fact that both are knockout artists and Garcia being a social media influencer/vlogger helps in promoting the fight, bottom line neither fighter is a boring one so many are eager to witness them face each other.

That shoving of Haney didn't help to excite the non-hardcore boxing fans to watch the fight hehe.

[Dave1]

What's there to expect? I mean, it was already expected that this fight will have a much lower PPV buys compared to the mega fight that Garcia vs Davis did recently or any fight that Canelo did. Although it's a much awaited fight for most of the fans especially because Lomachenko will be seen again and many have been asking if he was already at the sunset of his career and then there's Haney that has been known to be boring because of his style. I bet at least 300k was their target.

300k-500k might be their target as seldom we will see a fight that exceeds 1M PPV buys after Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather's era.

Have read an article that Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia exceeds 1M buys which might be true due to the fact that both are knockout artists and Garcia being a social media influencer/vlogger helps in promoting the fight, bottom line neither fighter is a boring one so many are eager to witness them face each other.

That shoving of Haney didn't help to excite the non-hardcore boxing fans to watch the fight hehe.

On the contrary, the shoving might sway boxing fans to watch this fight. And then there is this streams that have been posted online as well that might contribute most fans on not wanting to buy PPV as they can get it for free.

And of course both are not knockout artist and it's 50/50 for the majority of us, some wanted to see a toe to toe fight like the Ryan and Tank fight wherein there will be a knockout. Or a boring but sweet science like what this fight is, it's like a chess match and we really don't know who is going to win until the final announcement of the scores.

[TravelMug]

What's there to expect? I mean, it was already expected that this fight will have a much lower PPV buys compared to the mega fight that Garcia vs Davis did recently or any fight that Canelo did. Although it's a much awaited fight for most of the fans especially because Lomachenko will be seen again and many have been asking if he was already at the sunset of his career and then there's Haney that has been known to be boring because of his style. I bet at least 300k was their target.

300k-500k might be their target as seldom we will see a fight that exceeds 1M PPV buys after Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather's era.

I think that is one golden era of boxing, as both are really PPV stars specially Floyd. But now it's hard to do it, unless you are like Canelo who did good numbers during his first fight with GGG and recently, Ryan Garcia vs Gervonta Davis.

Have read an article that Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia exceeds 1M buys which might be true due to the fact that both are knockout artists and Garcia being a social media influencer/vlogger helps in promoting the fight, bottom line neither fighter is a boring one so many are eager to witness them face each other.

That shoving of Haney didn't help to excite the non-hardcore boxing fans to watch the fight hehe.

Although both are great boxers, Haney and Loma doesn't have the fans like what Ryan and Gervonta have. Plus the way this two trash talk, we all know that Loma doesn't speak English well so this might be the case as it was only Haney who talk to the public and that shoving to bring the fight to the fans.

[Yaunfitda]

It was reported that this fight just did 275k-300k buy in the PPV market.

Way off when you compare it to the Garcia vs Davis fight which did over 1 million PPV. And that's the difference really between a fighter that can market themselves like Ryan and Tank as against the belt holder in Haney. And that is one thing that they said against Haney, is that he did poor in PPV. But let's see if Tank or Shakur or anyone calling him is going to happen and see if the numbers will do good against his fight with Loma.

Although personally I thought that Loma vs Haney will do like at least 500k buys.

What's there to expect? I mean, it was already expected that this fight will have a much lower PPV buys compared to the mega fight that Garcia vs Davis did recently or any fight that Canelo did. Although it's a much awaited fight for most of the fans especially because Lomachenko will be seen again and many have been asking if he was already at the sunset of his career and then there's Haney that has been known to be boring because of his style. I bet at least 300k was their target.

There is hype in this fight, but it can't be compare to Davis or Ryan Garcia because they have a big social media following. Ryan Garcia alone could be boasted of 1 million+ on his social media accounts. So perhaps some of those fans really buy that PPV and same with Tank Davis.

Although this is a true belt fight, nothing beats a hype of 2 young fighters who hate each other and put the boxing world in notice with that huge PPV numbers they have. Haney and Top Rank should be happy that they got that numbers and the money.

[Russlenat]

Haney and Top Rank should be happy that they got that numbers and the money.

They cannot be happy if the expectation is high but the outcome is low. I suppose Haney needs to change his style from boring to an exciting boxer. That would certainly attract more viewers, especially if he keeps winning with his new style. Mayweather was boring, yet he was a PPV king. Haney cannot just use that as a basis, as he is not as good as Mayweather. Additionally, people's tastes may have changed since there are plenty of exciting boxers in the sport who are worth spending on PPV subscriptions.

[Natalim]

Haney and Top Rank should be happy that they got that numbers and the money.

They cannot be happy if the expectation is high but the outcome is low. I suppose Haney needs to change his style from boring to an exciting boxer. That would certainly attract more viewers, especially if he keeps winning with his new style. Mayweather was boring, yet he was a PPV king. Haney cannot just use that as a basis, as he is not as good as Mayweather. Additionally, people's tastes may have changed since there are plenty of exciting boxers in the sport who are worth spending on PPV subscriptions.

Haney just needed to learn a lesson from Mayweather Jr. on how to sell a fight because being a boring boxer will not make him earn a guaranteed 7 digits per fight plus PPV's, a thing or two from Mayweather will literally help him on his situation compared to what Haney is now who's always silent and has been away from the limelight if he doesn't have any upcoming fights.

Being a boring boxer is not that bad but having no efforts in selling a fight is just way worse, and promoters are not happy as well, hence why Bob Arum is not making plenty of fights out of Haney because organizers are not really inclined of having him as there's no huge profits that will be generated if Haney is fighting.

In-terms of making a hype and selling a fight, I'd pick Shakur Stevenson over Devin Haney.

[Sanitough]

What's there to expect? I mean, it was already expected that this fight will have a much lower PPV buys compared to the mega fight that Garcia vs Davis did recently or any fight that Canelo did. Although it's a much awaited fight for most of the fans especially because Lomachenko will be seen again and many have been asking if he was already at the sunset of his career and then there's Haney that has been known to be boring because of his style. I bet at least 300k was their target.

300k-500k might be their target as seldom we will see a fight that exceeds 1M PPV buys after Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather's era.

I think that is one golden era of boxing, as both are really PPV stars specially Floyd. But now it's hard to do it, unless you are like Canelo who did good numbers during his first fight with GGG and recently, Ryan Garcia vs Gervonta Davis.

It's because modern technology paved a way for some people, mainly the ones who are fond to watch the fight and games live because in this modern era, YouTubers and some Facebook users are already offering live streaming in-exchange for some little donations (voluntary) to their accounts which mean that PPV's is not really needed anymore by many people as why would they need to subscribe and pay for a higher price if they can always watch the fight with a discounted price or even for free if they are that lucky.

Unlike in the Golden Era as we call it, most people don't have the means to watch the fight and games live to see their idols if they do not subscribe to Pay-Per-View. So, it's quite a must do back at that day just to see the fight going on live.

[inthelongrun]

Have read an article that Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia exceeds 1M buys which might be true due to the fact that both are knockout artists and Garcia being a social media influencer/vlogger helps in promoting the fight, bottom line neither fighter is a boring one so many are eager to witness them face each other.

That shoving of Haney didn't help to excite the non-hardcore boxing fans to watch the fight hehe.

Although both are great boxers, Haney and Loma doesn't have the fans like what Ryan and Gervonta have. Plus the way this two trash talk, we all know that Loma doesn't speak English well so this might be the case as it was only Haney who talk to the public and that shoving to bring the fight to the fans.

Yes, Davis-Garcia reached 1.2 million PPV buys. The gross of the fight was around $130 million, that's a lot of money. But it's more on Garcia as a social media influencer and Davis being the main PPV fighter of Showtime. Both fighters are also KO artists so casual fans are more keen on watching them even if it was not a championship fight. And it's also a plus when a Latino is involved and Davis is an American.

Loma has its own fan base but is limited. Haney is undisputed and he got the skills but his low KO rate and more hugs are kinda boring, especially to those that are not hardcore boxing fans. And that ridiculous result left another bad taste in boxing. I saw a lot of comments on social media saying it's their last PPV buy of a Top Rank PPV and some even said they will stop paying PPVs in boxing and would rather shift to UFC. 

[TopTort777]

Loma has its own fan base but is limited. Haney is undisputed and he got the skills but his low KO rate and more hugs are kinda boring, especially to those that are not hardcore boxing fans. And that ridiculous result left another bad taste in boxing. I saw a lot of comments on social media saying it's their last PPV buy of a Top Rank PPV and some even said they will stop paying PPVs in boxing and would rather shift to UFC. 

Lomas most fans are from post Soviet territory. Perhaps a lot of them were from Russia, but current situation made a lot of fans suddenly became political experts and stop from being Lomas fans... Outside post Soviet territory, I dont think that a lot of people even recognize him. Everyone knows American boxers, as promotional mechanisms know how to present and sell entertainment.

Anyone knows who is going to be Haney next opponent? Wonder how he would look when he would defence his belts. I wonder if Loma and Haney would ever meet again. Fans would love to see their second fight, it would answer all the questions, but I think both, Loma and Haney are not looking forward for another fight.