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January 01, 2023, 05:08:34 AM
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My advice to traders that are losing is to still continue to trade, but using just 20% while 80% should go into holding. What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?

Zero percentage, any trader that isn't profitable in his/her time during trading should stop trading with immediate effect and focus on investing by holding Bitcoin and other well established projects. If you aren't winning trades then that means you haven't acquired the knowledge rightfully so you should go back to the drawing boards and start learning afresh or widen your knowledge on how to trade.

If you learnt a specific trading strategy then you have to unlearn that particular strategy as it isn't working for you and learn a new one. No trader that losses should continue trading no matter how small the money been used is as it'll only lead to more losses.

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January 01, 2023, 05:18:41 AM
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Newbie traders should know that they should use the amount of money they can afford to lose to trade.


We can see bitcoin at its low price, instead of some people to just DCA and accumulate, they may prefer to trade, I will advice you not to lose the coming opportunity as some people might lost in the last bull run. Some people are believing that there will be no bull run again in a 4 year cycle, I am not still one of that people, I believe we are still going another round again.

If you know that you are trading and losing your money, it is better to think about this twice or three time or more before making the wrong decision that you will later blame yourself for. We are in accumulation period, try and hold and accumulate.

My advice to traders that are losing is to still continue to trade, but using just 20% while 80% should go into holding. What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?
Currently trading at this time seems very risky to me. I hold 100%. I pretty much stopped trading. Then without knowing my mind I took a trade but there I am still in a lot of losses. So in this bad market I suggest to refrain from trading. Holding is better than trading in these bad times.  If you can hold on to these bad times, surely you will achieve something good soon. Trading especially requires extra time, if you don't have it, you must hold on. So I say it's better to hold on.

It is safer than holding but mostly on bear market they will not do any trades because they will be lossing . Holding on the other hand is good  or purchasing bitcoin on bear market since  if the price is back for sure you'll get profit. Trading really requires time but some only spends few hours since they are do day trading and they will only trade once . The most stressful is scalping that you'll be in monitoring always to see when is the best time to trade
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January 01, 2023, 06:14:11 AM
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My advice to traders that are losing is to still continue to trade, but using just 20% while 80% should go into holding. What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?
If they can analyze the market, they can continue to trade with 20% of their capital while holding the rest. It can be done but if they are not sure that they can trade and make a profit, it is better to hold the coin and not decide to trade. It will be better for them because they will not lose more money trading and can wait until the market picks up again. But I don't trade much because the situation is uncertain until now and I only do DCA. And until now, I can do that strategy while waiting for market conditions to recover.

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January 01, 2023, 04:56:07 PM
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Holding still requires a plan until when you will hold your assets because of you know how to make an execution of your assets; you can now make an entry and exit quickly with a profit or less loss of your holdings. People get FOMO in the market because they think they are late, but there's a chance of getting down more because of their fear they bought that still market is going down. Always make a trading plan decide a cut off of your losses and not pretending you are not lossing and still hoping to get back.

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January 01, 2023, 07:06:30 PM
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Holding still requires a plan until when you will hold your assets because of you know how to make an execution of your assets; you can now make an entry and exit quickly with a profit or less loss of your holdings. People get FOMO in the market because they think they are late, but there's a chance of getting down more because of their fear they bought that still market is going down. Always make a trading plan decide a cut off of your losses and not pretending you are not lossing and still hoping to get back.
Yeah, so many people think hodling is easy but hodling actually looked like this > I bet those who think it was easy have fail to HODL their coins for too long but they already sold it early for some reasons like they are too scared when they saw the price is crashing or they got too greedy when they saw that the price pumping, however there are two scenarios about this. One is already given there and the second one would be they will over HODL and miss the bull run completely.

There are indication that we can use to possibly tell if the coin is already at it's bottom or not. We can learn that. There's also threads here about price speculation, if we don't know how to do it. This should avoid us to FOMO.

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January 01, 2023, 07:15:04 PM
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Holding still requires a plan until when you will hold your assets because of you know how to make an execution of your assets; you can now make an entry and exit quickly with a profit or less loss of your holdings. People get FOMO in the market because they think they are late, but there's a chance of getting down more because of their fear they bought that still market is going down. Always make a trading plan decide a cut off of your losses and not pretending you are not lossing and still hoping to get back.
Yeah, so many people think hodling is easy but hodling actually looked like this > I bet those who think it was easy have fail to HODL their coins for too long but they already sold it early for some reasons like they are too scared when they saw the price is crashing or they got too greedy when they saw that the price pumping, however there are two scenarios about this. One is already given there and the second one would be they will over HODL and miss the bull run completely.

There are indication that we can use to possibly tell if the coin is already at it's bottom or not. We can learn that. There's also threads here about price speculation, if we don't know how to do it. This should avoid us to FOMO.
The funniest part is that those that do advise us to keep holding are mostly the ones that do not have any holdings because they are scared to hold or have sold most of there holdings. It is very difficult to hold a coin or different coins now that the market is never certain.
 It might be very easy for those that have sufficient funds to get what they want or for those that have leftovers. As this time, it is very difficult for an average man to hold now that the price of goods is getting high and no chances of it coming down. Inflation is high and we are all expected to feed and pay bills which could be very difficult for some families or persons.
In all let's keep holding with optimism.

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January 01, 2023, 07:34:33 PM
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Every women should start leaning how to defend themselves and not let anyone to bully them, we should give respect to everybody regardless of the value. Holding and trading are both ok, all you have to is to balance and know where to put your money. Trading needs a lot of time and attention so if you are a busy person, then holding good coins are moe ideal and safe for me.
Uh... not sure why you inserted gender from what I just stated there as I am pretty sure that I was neutral about the gender on that.
Everyone can just hold or trade depending on what pleases them the most or what works for them. Either works, but it is entirely dependent on how does the said person can manage his/her own money and time.
Mine just did not work as I was working 9-5 and I almost have little time to work on my trading. Trading is not my hobby so it cannot be just be won by being "consistent" if I am not interested or committed to it.
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January 02, 2023, 05:17:07 PM
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Holding, in my opinion, would be the best option, but people are always looking to trade and make a quick profit. When you warn, particularly about futures, people often ignore your warnings. I am aware of one person who made quite a profit from spot trading I wonder what drew her attention to futures, where lo and behold, a sizable amount was liquidated. If trading is what you want to do, remove greed from your mind, as for me personally I always accumulate and hold.

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January 02, 2023, 05:23:48 PM
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Sometimes yes. In general, I cannot say that one of the strategies can be profitable or not always. Often this requires the trader to be able to choose the right strategy at the right time.

Why to follow a specific strategy everytime ? According to me when you invest something, then no strategy works the second time. It will be great if we take actions according to the situations. I mean why to follow the repeated strategy everytime we see a same situation? And to be very precise, holding isn’t a strategy for me. It’s just a necessary action that each trader should do when the market is unstable and pretty volatile.

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January 02, 2023, 05:25:15 PM
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If we're going to settle with a specific amount of capital, I think you should have extra money and another for holding. Not make it to one capital. On your trading funds, you should set the amount per trade. For the HODL fund, accumulate more and more of it depending on the amount you can invest in a specific timeframe.

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January 03, 2023, 03:45:38 AM
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Sometimes yes. In general, I cannot say that one of the strategies can be profitable or not always. Often this requires the trader to be able to choose the right strategy at the right time.

Why to follow a specific strategy everytime ? According to me when you invest something, then no strategy works the second time. It will be great if we take actions according to the situations. I mean why to follow the repeated strategy everytime we see a same situation? And to be very precise, holding isn’t a strategy for me. It’s just a necessary action that each trader should do when the market is unstable and pretty volatile.
Developing and verifying a single profitable strategy is incredibly time consuming, so most traders are not going to have the time to have specific strategies for every single market condition they may encounter, in that case a general strategy that works most of the time, albeit not perfectly, is preferable than having several strategies devised for many different market conditions, what you are proposing is the best case scenario, but very rarely traders will have the time or even the ability of using so many different strategies.
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January 03, 2023, 08:26:04 AM
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Basically when newbies in the market start trading they invest without understanding and later face huge losses. So to do trading you must acquire good knowledge. And if you invest, you must invest in good coins. Bitcoin investing is definitely trending and gaining reputation as a successful trader. And right now market condition is not very good so holding will be better than trading. And if you hold, when the market increases, it will be possible to earn a lot of profit.
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January 03, 2023, 11:07:21 AM
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Holding, in my opinion, would be the best option, but people are always looking to trade and make a quick profit. When you warn, particularly about futures, people often ignore your warnings. I am aware of one person who made quite a profit from spot trading I wonder what drew her attention to futures, where lo and behold, a sizable amount was liquidated. If trading is what you want to do, remove greed from your mind, as for me personally I always accumulate and hold.

We can't remove that fact those people really wanted to have a quick profit when placing their investment, trying to earn as quick as they
can and as big as possible.

But that's also the reason why many people losses huge amount in taking that chance, thinking that in a short run they can make decent
amount of money and not to think about the potential of losing huge.

Looking at your perspective, holding is good as long as you know the value of your investment and you understand the big potential
of much better compensations.
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January 03, 2023, 11:26:53 PM
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Sometimes yes. In general, I cannot say that one of the strategies can be profitable or not always. Often this requires the trader to be able to choose the right strategy at the right time.

Why to follow a specific strategy everytime ? According to me when you invest something, then no strategy works the second time. It will be great if we take actions according to the situations. I mean why to follow the repeated strategy everytime we see a same situation? And to be very precise, holding isn’t a strategy for me. It’s just a necessary action that each trader should do when the market is unstable and pretty volatile.
Developing and verifying a single profitable strategy is incredibly time consuming, so most traders are not going to have the time to have specific strategies for every single market condition they may encounter, in that case a general strategy that works most of the time, albeit not perfectly, is preferable than having several strategies devised for many different market conditions, what you proposing is the best case scenario, but very rarely traders will have the time or even the ability of using so many different strategies.
We should really be that versatile as much as possible and it is indeed true that not all does have the time and the effort to be spend on finding every strategy for a specific market condition which they would
rather just be sticking into something that they do know and would be repeatedly be making use of it and if they dont have any choice then they would really be opting in on making some holding.
Holding could really be that worth on something likes Bitcoin and other some useful altcoins but not all does have that kind of patience on trying to wait for seeing profits
for long time.

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January 04, 2023, 12:29:30 PM
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My advice to traders that are losing is to still continue to trade, but using just 20% while 80% should go into holding. What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?

Everything will depend on whether you know how to trade? If the answer is negative, then any attempt to trade will ultimately result in the loss of the deposit, regardless of how much money you have allocated for this. If you have trading skills, then the best strategy for a losing position is to try to reduce the average order price by trading a small part of the deposit, which may be in the range of 20-30%.

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January 04, 2023, 02:20:54 PM
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I think that people are just trading and hope that they will double their money in a seconds but actually it may not be possible because you require enough time to multiply this cash sometimes people lost money due to their mistakes and misunderstanding about trading. I will suggest that start from lower amount if you win then save your starting amount and use the remaining amount for trading so in this case it will not hard for you to get it back after losing it. Do not put whole money in trading because a person with greater knowledge can also loss if market goes against his thoughts.

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January 04, 2023, 03:50:56 PM
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All of the predictions are correct, because I am a crypto coin holder, even though there is a bit of pessimism to see the attack by the Fed who wants crypto coins to be destroyed by paying black swans to attack crypto coins in all markets.

sometimes I think If there is no (Future), I believe in the 100K BTC.
If there is a Future, BTC to 5K only, big investors can profit. (FUTURE= HOLDER Killer)
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January 04, 2023, 04:31:32 PM
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Some investors fear the current market situation and looking down on Bitcoin because of its current price not realizing that it's already time to accumulate more of it and hold until the market recovers again. Holding would really be the best thing to do during this msrket season. It's hard to risk on day trading without enough knowledge because it's a broad and complex thing. If you want to make a good profit without dealing with too much risks, holding will be a wise move.
In a bear market situation like today, buying by taking advantage of every drop and then holding it in the long term is of course the right thing to do because it has proven to be able to provide decent returns, we often have to accept defeat when trading in a bear market, even though it is as good as whatever analysis we apply, because sometimes price movements don't move as we expect, so it's very difficult to get profits if you do day trading when the market tends to continue to decline.

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January 04, 2023, 05:03:43 PM
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I think that people are just trading and hope that they will double their money in a seconds but actually it may not be possible because you require enough time to multiply this cash sometimes people lost money due to their mistakes and misunderstanding about trading. I will suggest that start from lower amount if you win then save your starting amount and use the remaining amount for trading so in this case it will not hard for you to get it back after losing it. Do not put whole money in trading because a person with greater knowledge can also loss if market goes against his thoughts.
Those type of people who think that they could trade very quickly and make money right away are people who have no idea what kind of talent they lack to do that. Same people who think that, also are the people who are incapable of doing it because they haven't studied trading enough. Because, anyone who studied trading would tell you that getting rich in a single day is impossible.

You have to trade like crazy, non-stop and constantly in order to make some good profits which would be very tough to handle. I believe that the best thing we could do right now is having some "hodl" situation for long term until the price recovers, and that won't be too long down the road I am sure.

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January 04, 2023, 05:58:07 PM
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I think that people are just trading and hope that they will double their money in a seconds but actually it may not be possible because you require enough time to multiply this cash sometimes people lost money due to their mistakes and misunderstanding about trading. I will suggest that start from lower amount if you win then save your starting amount and use the remaining amount for trading so in this case it will not hard for you to get it back after losing it. Do not put whole money in trading because a person with greater knowledge can also loss if market goes against his thoughts.
Those type of people who think that they could trade very quickly and make money right away are people who have no idea what kind of talent they lack to do that. Same people who think that, also are the people who are incapable of doing it because they haven't studied trading enough. Because, anyone who studied trading would tell you that getting rich in a single day is impossible.

You have to trade like crazy, non-stop and constantly in order to make some good profits which would be very tough to handle. I believe that the best thing we could do right now is having some "hodl" situation for the long term until the price recovers, and that won't be too long down the road I am sure.

Some people who haven't done enough research think of it as an easy way of making money not knowing that it has risks and challenges most of the time because of the market's volatility. It requires enough understanding and analytic skills so it isn't easy as they think. It's a long and complex journey so if you feel that your knowledge and skills about trading aren't enough yet, just focus on holding while learning how to trade successfully so you can trade better in the future.
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