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December 29, 2022, 10:42:14 AM
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Newbie traders should know that they should use the amount of money they can afford to lose to trade.


We can see bitcoin at its low price, instead of some people to just DCA and accumulate, they may prefer to trade, I will advice you not to lose the coming opportunity as some people might lost in the last bull run. Some people are believing that there will be no bull run again in a 4 year cycle, I am not still one of that people, I believe we are still going another round again.

If you know that you are trading and losing your money, it is better to think about this twice or three time or more before making the wrong decision that you will later blame yourself for. We are in accumulation period, try and hold and accumulate.

My advice to traders that are losing is to still continue to trade, but using just 20% while 80% should go into holding. What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?

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December 29, 2022, 11:00:11 AM
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What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?

I am not a day trader. I trade only when I see good market conditions and of course, see my mood. maybe that's what made my trading skills so bad.
but I usually use 50% of the funds I set up for trading or gambling. I usually choose one of them, when I've traded, then I'm not going to the casino.

I have divided my long term investment assets, of which 70% is Bitcoin. as for trading, I have my allocation, which as much as possible I will not let my long term planning be disturbed.


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December 29, 2022, 11:16:22 AM
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I've chosen to hold at most times and if I'd trade, I still do it under different circumstances where I think that I'll make a profit. Not just random trades but I am making sure that there's something positive to happen for it. For the newbies, it's okay to trade and that will serve you as a lesson and will help you gain experience but always have that good allocation on how much you're willing to learn a lesson and lose at the same time. 5% is already good enough for your whole fund.

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December 29, 2022, 11:52:42 AM
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Newbie traders should know that they should use the amount of money they can afford to lose to trade.


We can see bitcoin at its low price, instead of some people to just DCA and accumulate, they may prefer to trade, I will advice you not to lose the coming opportunity as some people might lost in the last bull run. Some people are believing that there will be no bull run again in a 4 year cycle, I am not still one of that people, I believe we are still going another round again.

If you know that you are trading and losing your money, it is better to think about this twice or three time or more before making the wrong decision that you will later blame yourself for. We are in accumulation period, try and hold and accumulate.

My advice to traders that are losing is to still continue to trade, but using just 20% while 80% should go into holding. What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?

The only thing that is important as a trader here in the crypto industry is that we will not give up on our belief in cryptocurrency, as a financial solution to our problem.

Doing trading activity here can give us profit, there is a time every day and there is also a time when it is not, because of the volatility that exists in cryptocurrency. That's why if everyone only has a goal management that is called in trading, we will not notice that later we are doing DCA via percentage that we give like for example 15% for the profit we get from trading and this is what will be separated ours for long term holdings or it depends on you.


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December 29, 2022, 11:58:39 AM
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Many traders are too afraid to HODL Bitcoins for 1 or 2 years.
Some traders are selling their BTC for stablecoins and waiting for the next Bitcoin bull market. I'm not a fan of stablecoins in general, but this seems like way to protect the value of their portfolio, if the BTC price drops below 10K USD. The first downside of this tactic is that many traders would just keep their stablecoins in centralized exchanges(which is risky, FTX is the best example), the second downside is the stablecoin prices crashing, due to the developers lying about the actual reserves(Terra/Luna).
Perhaps a better way would be to just sell BTC for fiat and keep the fiat. The problem here is the high inflation, which will devalue all fiat money.
In summary, there's no win-win situation here.
I'm not a fan of altcoin/shitcoin day trading, especially in times of a bear market.

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December 29, 2022, 12:27:49 PM
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What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?

There's really no right answer to this — as it will totally depend on things like your risk appetite and the actual size of your bankroll. It's almost like asking what the right percentage to invest in crypto is.

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December 29, 2022, 02:46:18 PM
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I don't think all trader mindset with holding could be better because they are trying with profitable earn in daily day, I dislike with long term holding trough Bitcoin still not stable yet and have opportunity back to lower price. I get decision earn as soon possible when profit reaching about 10% until 15% and buy back later with lower price.

I sure have potential earn more than 100% with long term holding, but I have to earn profit in daily day because still low budget for long term investment, exactly I have to earn about 10% in daily or minimum can earn until 50% in a weeks. I have spent with long term holding with Bitcoin only as four years cycle can give impact for bitcoin break higher price.

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December 29, 2022, 02:55:12 PM
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My advice to traders that are losing is to still continue to trade, but using just 20% while 80% should go into holding. What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?
Holding means long term trading and its counterpart would be short term trading. Majority of bitcoin should be kept on holding while a minimum amount for short term, but this can vary depending on your personal reasons.

Holding is safer and better in terms of mental ease that you have bought at low and you can sell at any good price. The wrong decisions are done due to lack of experience of having gone through bear-bull cycles in the past, common for newbies and impulsive decisions, commonly taken by gamblers. Lack of patience is another issue where they start with a long term goal but start panicking and sell midway.

So I guess everyone has their own sweet spot, some might want to take more risks so these numbers would not be same for all.

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December 29, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
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My advice to traders that are losing is to still continue to trade, but using just 20% while 80% should go into holding. What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?

I think 80% should go into "safe" investments like real estate/gold/bonds/good stocks. 20% in crypto, where 15% in hodling 5% in trading account. No matter how much you bealive in crypto, never put 100% into any single type of assets.
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December 29, 2022, 03:10:19 PM
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If you advise trader who is losing to trade with 20% of fund and keep 80% of fund in hodling, so how are you sure that a trader who has been losing will still be able to do well with the 20%? This is still difficult to do. I was thinking the best advise will be to caution on the use of high leverage because traders don't really understand leverage techniques. Using a lower leverage can help you stay in the market longer before your stop loss is hit, it may revert you back to entry point where you regain your running loses.
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December 29, 2022, 03:11:23 PM
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I have also watched the analysis of Mark Moss about having no bull run anymore and that the last was last year. Quite crazy to think in my opinion because the amount of BTC is just too few and the halving will always trigger the market rally.

If you buy at the current price the better for you to be holding on to it. Somehow spot trading in the bull market is always a good idea but not in the bear market.

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If you advise trader who is losing to trade with 20% of fund and keep 80% of fund in hodling, so how are you sure that a trader who has been losing will still be able to do well with the 20%? This is still difficult to do. I was thinking the best advise will be to caution on the use of high leverage because traders don't really understand leverage techniques. Using a lower leverage can help you stay in the market longer before your stop loss is hit, it may revert you back to entry point where you regain your running loses.
using only 20% of funds for trading is also a good suggestion. because traders lose too often, trade with small capital first to give experience. and saving more will help the trader to keep the investment asset. but your advice is also very good. it helps new traders.

I do not know for sure what percentage I traded. maybe 30-40%. could be bigger. because every BTC I earn from the campaign, I will put into another wallet for the long term, and the less I will accumulate into trading capital.

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December 29, 2022, 04:50:15 PM
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Newbie traders should know that they should use the amount of money they can afford to lose to trade.


Not only newbie, but also all the veteran traders make these mistakes for which they suffer at last. Greed is the main prototype which a trader should control. Newbies and Traders fall for the greed and over trade for which ultimately they make mistakes. I know sometimes holding is better and for that reason they always advise to trade in budget. As if you go over budget and trade with your savings, then at crucial times you will be forced to sell the coins when holding might be the ideal option. So act and invest accordingly.

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December 29, 2022, 04:50:37 PM
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Newbie traders should know that they should use the amount of money they can afford to lose to trade.


We can see bitcoin at its low price, instead of some people to just DCA and accumulate, they may prefer to trade, I will advice you not to lose the coming opportunity as some people might lost in the last bull run. Some people are believing that there will be no bull run again in a 4 year cycle, I am not still one of that people, I believe we are still going another round again.

If you know that you are trading and losing your money, it is better to think about this twice or three time or more before making the wrong decision that you will later blame yourself for. We are in accumulation period, try and hold and accumulate.

My advice to traders that are losing is to still continue to trade, but using just 20% while 80% should go into holding. What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?
Good point to invest with money we are prepared to lose. But to be honest, I can hardly say anything about the percentage of the amount to be traded at a loss as you say. Maybe I'd rather say there's no percentage for that, why? because basically we don't want to experience losses even if only 1% of the amount of money we have.
We are in a situation where we have to take advantage of the opportunities that are in front of us because the current price is worth investing in. So do your best, and we'll meet our very desired price in the future.

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December 29, 2022, 04:53:45 PM
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Many traders are too afraid to HODL Bitcoins for 1 or 2 years.
Some traders are selling their BTC for stablecoins and waiting for the next Bitcoin bull market. I'm not a fan of stablecoins in general, but this seems like way to protect the value of their portfolio, if the BTC price drops below 10K USD. The first downside of this tactic is that many traders would just keep their stablecoins in centralized exchanges(which is risky, FTX is the best example), the second downside is the stablecoin prices crashing, due to the developers lying about the actual reserves(Terra/Luna).
Perhaps a better way would be to just sell BTC for fiat and keep the fiat. The problem here is the high inflation, which will devalue all fiat money.
In summary, there's no win-win situation here.
I'm not a fan of altcoin/shitcoin day trading, especially in times of a bear market.

Inflation reduces the value of your fiat but it's not as fast as bitcoin's decline. If you don't like holding bitcoins for a long time, then choosing to hold fiat is safer than keeping the stablecoin on an exchange. I'm a holder, and I still have funds available to DCA every time bitcoin drops more, but I don't hold the stablecoin because it's unsafe. I hold it in fiat, and so far despite high inflation, that loss is negligible compared to buying bitcoin at its peak or holding shitcoin.

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December 29, 2022, 04:57:43 PM
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I usually base my capital allocated on trading to the fiat value and not through percentage. I have a limit of maximum 100$ capital per coin that I want to invest. The percentage varies base on my overall capital but I have a fixed amount of 100$ per trade on each altcoin. Only Bitcoin can get the majority of my capital since that's the only coin I trust with huge capital.

I believe most people here look on the fiat amount and not solely on percentage for capital allocation on there trade.

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December 29, 2022, 05:16:51 PM
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Newbie traders should know that they should use the amount of money they can afford to lose to trade.

My advice to traders that are losing is to still continue to trade, but using just 20% while 80% should go into holding. What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?
We still have some few expert traders who are making profits from trading even with the current market condition,  but it all depend on the percentage allocation to both day trade and long term holding.

Indeed any one that is holding bitcoin at this current price is still at advantage, because there is high certainty that bull run will follow immediately after the bitcoin halving in 2024, but that is a long time from now even though we can still see a bull run before then because of the volatility of Bitcoin.

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I don't really have a right answer to this from my point of view. Because it is difficult to determine exactly what percentage of funds should be hold, and what percentage should be used for trading. When the market creates a huge volatility, panic spreads in the market and along with it the strategies of the traders change. But the most important thing is that you should not trade with all your funds, you should trade only with those funds that you can afford to lose. I made a lot of mistakes during the last market dump, which I should never have done.

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December 29, 2022, 08:10:46 PM
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Newbie traders should know that they should use the amount of money they can afford to lose to trade.


We can see bitcoin at its low price, instead of some people to just DCA and accumulate, they may prefer to trade, I will advice you not to lose the coming opportunity as some people might lost in the last bull run. Some people are believing that there will be no bull run again in a 4 year cycle, I am not still one of that people, I believe we are still going another round again.

If you know that you are trading and losing your money, it is better to think about this twice or three time or more before making the wrong decision that you will later blame yourself for. We are in accumulation period, try and hold and accumulate.

My advice to traders that are losing is to still continue to trade, but using just 20% while 80% should go into holding. What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?

You know, I am also one of those who believe in a four-year period and hope that this time everything will happen as before, that is, by the end of 2025 we will see another flight to the moon. Yes, this is just my vision, nothing more, but in reality everything can happen differently. But if we assume that everything will be so, then now we are really in the accumulation zone and our task is to accumulate or save our crypto assets. As for trading, I traded a little and it's hard to say how best to do it. But if there is an opportunity to trade and earn, then you need to use this opportunity 100% but not take risks.
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My advice to traders that are losing is to still continue to trade, but using just 20% while 80% should go into holding. What do you people think about this? Out of 100% fund, what percentage can you advice a trader to use?
This is actually subjective because each trader does have its own preference on how many percentage that they would really be that using into their trading or their stashes.
Doesnt matter if its 20% or more or less, its your money and just let them decide on whatever things that they would really be doing. Its true that its better to hold but we know that
there are people who doesnt really like to wait up longer or more years and if we do compare out the profits for someone who do actively trade than into those holders
then it would be much but of course it would really be having that risks.This is why it would really be depending whether you could bare up the risk or not.

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