26 BTC Stolen

[JanEmil]

In any case, if they have access to PM is just as "read" because otherwise it would be easier to scam just sending PMs and they wouldnt need telegram...

That is not fully true. Scammers most times try to get you to other channel so they can't be locked out and also so the hacked user don't get alerted.

Best scam setup is to make rule that forward all and then delete the messages when forwarded. Mail scammers almost always do it that way.

[10casproj]

In any case, if they have access to PM is just as "read" because otherwise it would be easier to scam just sending PMs and they wouldnt need telegram...

That is not fully true. Scammers most times try to get you to other channel so they can't be locked out and also so the hacked user don't get alerted.

Best scam setup is to make rule that forward all and then delete the messages when forwarded. Mail scammers almost always do it that way.

Agree, but then why send screenshot from "minerjones" account? that would alert/burn the account anyway... I really believe scammer played on him to believe that. There is another thread for same scammer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419224.0;all

[wheelz1200]

Think of all the bitcoin diamond that just got scammed.  R.I.P.

[hotdog7]

Sorry, this happened to you. It does not feel good. Last year, I had a similar experience losing some bitcoin where a scammer acting as one our member.

[owlcatz]

So who peeled the Cas 25, you?

I'm calling BS on all of this until you post some evidence. Otherwise, make a scam accusation in the proper section with all the proof you have, so that at least noboby else gets f**ked up the ass, and/or blamed by accident.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Form is here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0

I have a feeling you realized how/what you fucked up shortly after posting this, hence the lack of any real evidence. OFC, I could be wrong, but that's what I'm going to assume until I see something of value here besides you making accusations with zero proof...

BTW, your 25 Cas has been peeled & moved, and is now sitting here... Why?  You can't even answer that FFS

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1q4c9j5zhqj8cg8myslgfmgamyql3rcs7n2pmvrg

 

[MoparMiningLLC]

my guess is one of 2 scenarios:

1. there was no buyer - you peeled your own coins - and whatever reason you are wanting to claim the funds as lost (maybe to avoid taxes?)

2. your account was compromised and they used your account to send the dm's in question with fake responses to boot.


and in all of this - how was it that the coins were peeled so fast? Did the buyer convince you to peel the coins and give them the keys?


why you would ever give any keys or mail any coins (and for this amount they should NEVER be shipped - there are people here, who would handle doing the person to person transaction and deliver the coin in person) without first confirming a payment transaction - even if they were paying an escrow - you would need to see the txn id showing the pymt was made.

[WhyFhy]

my guess is one of 2 scenarios:

1. there was no buyer - you peeled your own coins - and whatever reason you are wanting to claim the funds as lost (maybe to avoid taxes?)

2. your account was compromised and they used your account to send the dm's in question with fake responses to boot.


and in all of this - how was it that the coins were peeled so fast? Did the buyer convince you to peel the coins and give them the keys?


why you would ever give any keys or mail any coins (and for this amount they should NEVER be shipped - there are people here, who would handle doing the person to person transaction and deliver the coin in person) without first confirming a payment transaction - even if they were paying an escrow - you would need to see the txn id showing the pymt was made.

 Right? Ill escrow the 26BTC just peel it for me and send the 25 and mail the coin later?
Sus AF. everything about this is sus tbh.
I'd like to notate OP was a MTGOX team member,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=31710.0
Somehow came out unscathed feedback wise and had no historical opinion of gox event.
(however made a post accusing MJ?)
Gone from 2016-2021
never bought cas publicly.
So, if he bought them privately, he knows how to.
Shows up randomly accusing MJ of escrow fraud.  
Considering the historical content of OP's interactions.
OP was console scammed and didn't verify.
Or OP is in fact attempting tax fraud.
My personal opinion This probably isn't OP.

Dear chartbatch,

I greatly apologize for the experience you have had.  We really love bitcoin (seriously), and we absolutely wish to fulfill any and all orders purchased with our favorite crypto currency.  To give some perspective, I'm very pro/bullish with BTC/XBT, and absolutely would not wish to harm the reputation of Bitcoin with a poor merchant experience (much less the reputation of Private Internet Access as well).  From the sounds of your post, I presume from a lack of response from our hard working support team that it's highly probable that e-mails are either not making it to your mail server or are being blocked by a spam filter.  If you are having this experience on live chat, please let me know who the agent was that was assisting you via PM.

Either way, please do not hesitate to PM me here in the future or via IRC (freenode.net / rasengan) if you need anything in the future.  In the meantime, if you can send me a PM with an e-mail address I will send you a free account.  Lastly, we will definitely provide you a refund of your payment.  If you can provide me the BitPay invoice URL (should be visible on the bitpay html that you saved) I will forward it to our accounting team who will process the refund expeditiously.

Thanks again for your patience and understanding.  We sincerely appreciate your business, and thank you for giving us a try as well as for using Bitcoin to make purchases.

Sincerely,
rasengan

edit**
Here another WTF? Head scratcher.

casascius,

Here is your suggestion:
https://gist.github.com/3178816
/([1][123456789ABCDEFGHJKLMNPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyz]{27,34})/

I have tried it with several strangely formulated QR codes and it seems to work well.  When a QR is not matched to the match expression, the app will just exit.

I'm uploading to Android Market (Google Play) now and it should be available within an hour.

Thanks again,
rasengan

edit: Hope this is what you meant.

Real OP knows whats going on here, and wouldn't be gullible enough to be scammed I don't think.

[blucepheus]

Now that u have redeemed the coin, how much u selling the redeemed coins for?

This seems likely lacking proof he was scammed.

[rasengan]

All I know is they were able to show me the screenshot wherein I asked him if he was 'mjmantis' which was the initial username of the user I was interacting with.  The username later changed to minerjones.  Luckily, Android telegram does not auto-delete you from the chatroom like iOS and macOS do.

Here is a picture.



To be clear, I'm not implying that this is a user on this forum or anything like that.  I am just sharing what happened in hopes to help others in the future.  Because I do have this android phone which I actually don't really use, I will be able to preserve this and provide it to authorities here.

I wish everyone the best of luck and a happy new year!

Edit: I want to doubly make clear, I'm not implying that a user on the forum did this.  I'm not actually sure what's going on and feel like it's better to leave this to others who do this.  I hope everyone stays safe.  Take care.

[Michail1]

The major issue I have here is that I received a screenshot of the BitcoinTalk message I had sent to minerjones which is how I had confirmed that it was the same user from here.

Currently it appears the position being taken is that the telegram account was a scam. This leads me to believe that either his account on BitcoinTalk or BitcoinTalk itself is compromised.

I would like to see this BitcoinTalk message that you received. (Meaning a screen shot, not simply a copy and paste). The only message posted by "minerjones" is that you're dealing with a scammer.  I am most interested in the actual name used on that message since there are many fake "minerjones" variations.    i.e. with a basic search....
minerjones`
minerjones.
`minerjones
minerjones `
minerjones .
minerjones -
minerjonesalt

[cygan]

nothing can be changed now anyway...
even if it is now about 26BTC what currently has an enormous fiat value, but with Bitcoin everyone is responsible for his own actions and take me now not resent... but maybe you are still in possession of the 26BTC only on a new address...
and with such a big deal i would be even more careful and secure everything double and triple...!

there is also a very well known saying in the Bitcoin/crypto community: 'don't trust, verify'

[TheBeardedBaby]

This screenshot of the bitcointalk message is what is puzzling me.
There's a big chance the OP was actually hacked and his bitcointalk account compromised, from there is very easy a fake message to be made, takes seconds.

So check your devices first.

[minerjones]

This screenshot of the bitcointalk message is what is puzzling me.
There's a big chance the OP was actually hacked and his bitcointalk account compromised, from there is very easy a fake message to be made, takes seconds.

So check your devices first.

Possible, but from my experience, it would also state that their password had been recently changed in red letters here:



From the looks of everything this was a classic Telegram scam where "escrow" and "buyer" are same person/account

And again... why would you ship a 25 btc Cas coin?

Do you have the tracking for this package?

[WhyFhy]

Possible, but from my experience, it would also state that their password had been recently changed in red letters here:

Not if it was changed in 2021.

[bavicrypto]

When talking on a secondary platform like telegram or discord, I suggest to ALWAYS ask for a pm on the forum to confirm you’re dealing with the actual person/ escrow. When clicking the “trust” button under the profile you can verify the feedback. When a bitcointalk account is hacked, the password is usually changed, which will indicate a red message saying “ This user's password was reset recently.” This is a major red flag, and I would be extra cautious when this message is shown.

This is not the case for minerjones, so I highly doubt his bitcointalk account was compromised.

Either way, Always double verifiy, especially when handling big amounts.

Stay safe

[MoparMiningLLC]

The major issue I have here is that I received a screenshot of the BitcoinTalk message I had sent to minerjones which is how I had confirmed that it was the same user from here.

Currently it appears the position being taken is that the telegram account was a scam. This leads me to believe that either his account on BitcoinTalk or BitcoinTalk itself is compromised.

I would like to see this BitcoinTalk message that you received. (Meaning a screen shot, not simply a copy and paste). The only message posted by "minerjones" is that you're dealing with a scammer.  I am most interested in the actual name used on that message since there are many fake "minerjones" variations.    i.e. with a basic search....
minerjones`
minerjones.
`minerjones
minerjones `
minerjones .
minerjones -
minerjonesalt

According to bpip - none of those accounts have been active recently.

[DirtyBirdE]

In the OG sales thread you stated that for shipping that someone would meet in person. Did this get sent outside of the states?

[OgNasty]

rasengan - When you contacted me to make this 40 BTC escrow deal and I told you that you would be scammed if you tried to do it over telegram, why did you ignore my advice?  I told you that I was willing to help you to avoid this scenario and you decided to do the exact opposite of what I told you.

My $0.02 on this is that your account was likely compromised if you received the screenshot.  Even if minerjones was a scammer I don't think he would be so sloppy as to provide a screenshot as evidence of his involvement.  I'm guessing the screenshot is from your sent folder, or was a fabrication created by getting the message from your sent folder.  That or this is some sort of attempt at getting sympathy so people will make donations.  Anyway, you literally did what I told you not to do and you allegedly lost your funds as a result.  You can't be too surprised by this.

[MoparMiningLLC]

rasengan - When you contacted me to make this 40 BTC escrow deal and I told you that you would be scammed if you tried to do it over telegram, why did you ignore my advice?  I told you that I was willing to help you to avoid this scenario and you decided to do the exact opposite of what I told you.

My $0.02 on this is that your account was likely compromised if you received the screenshot.  Even if minerjones was a scammer I don't think he would be so sloppy as to provide a screenshot as evidence of his involvement.  I'm guessing the screenshot is from your sent folder, or was a fabrication created by getting the message from your sent folder.  That or this is some sort of attempt at getting sympathy so people will make donations.  Anyway, you literally did what I told you not to do and you allegedly lost your funds as a result.  You can't be too surprised by this.

if the message was in his sent folder but then deleted after being sent - as long as it is still in his "received" folder, it should be possible to recover the actual sent dm - we were able to recover dm's in similar situations in the past - provided either the sender or re cepient still ahve the message it was possible to recover.

[morvillz7z]

I confirmed a screenshot with minerjones on telegram

...aaand there you have it!


If OP is telling the truth here's the easiest way for this scam to work:

*OP account is compromised in the days prior (my guess is he clicked on a link and was phished out of his forum password) .
*OP is then contacted via telegram by the scammer and is asked to send a message to minerjones on bitcointalk to confirm.
*minerjones sends op a msg stating that it's not him but because op's account is compromised the scammer has the ability to delete the msg and op does not see it.
*OP is contacted via telegram by the scammer with a shopped screenshot.

@rasengan, you can see your IP logs for the past 30 days here:  https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php