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January 06, 2023, 09:49:36 AM
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It's advisable to memorize seed phrase?

No, is not advisable to memorize seeds phrase because anything can happen that will affect your brain or your health that will make you to forget all the things in your head at the moment. Those that memorize their seeds phrase in the past, difficult for their family to recover their coins after their death, that made many people to learned from their mistakes never to memorize seeds phrase than to write them down in a place their children or wife can have access to them when they depart from this world.   But it's advisable to write the seeds phrase on a paper, and also store them inside your phone or laptop in case anything happen to your house, you can easily use the one you store in your phone or laptop to have access to your coins again.

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January 06, 2023, 09:50:23 AM
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I read that one of the best ways to preserve a seed phrase is to write it on a piece of paper and keep it in a safe place... Somewhere safe could be in your home out of the reach of family members and friends, it could also be a safe deposit box. But not everyone are financially buoyant to afford the services of a deposit box.

I believe we must have seen or heard about fire outbreaks, where buildings are completely erased by fire. Imagine if the owner or occupant of such a building has some Bitcoin assets, and has his/her phone, tablet, laptop and the seed phrase piece of paper in the building and everything was lost to fire. Now, this brings me to the question... Can seed phrase be memorized? It's advisable to memorize seed phrase?

I don't agree on memorizing your seed phrase, sooner or later your memory will fail you and you will regret that you have put it everything on your mind. I agree that we need to keep it in a safe place if we write our seed. So it's important to put in a safe deposit box or have multiple back up of it.

But there are what we call crypto metal wallets,

You can read it here, it might be outdated, but you will get the idea.

https://decrypt.co/26749/the-best-crypto-metal-wallets-you-can-buy-now
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January 06, 2023, 09:51:43 AM
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I believe we must have seen or heard about fire outbreaks, where buildings are completely erased by fire. Imagine if the owner or occupant of such a building has some Bitcoin assets, and has his/her phone, tablet, laptop and the seed phrase piece of paper in the building and everything was lost to fire.
The way I am dealing with a problem of a a seed phrase being destroyed by fire is that I stored a copy of my seed phrase with another family member who I absolutely trust. Another good way to make sure that seed is not destroyed by fire is metal plate with engraved seed phrase.


Can seed phrase be memorized? It's advisable to memorize seed phrase?
Of course it can be memorized if you put some effort into it, but I would never rely solely on my own memory for something as important as seed phrase. Beside the obvious dangers of simply forgetting about it, there is always a possibility of some head injury/illness that can affect your memory permanently.

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January 06, 2023, 10:05:23 AM
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Can seed phrase be memorized? It's advisable to memorize seed phrase?

There is a bunch of memory techniques that can help remember even random sequences of numbers, letters or words.
Usually they require constant practice unless you learned them at a very young age and already have internalized some methods.

Probably the most efficient method for a seed phrase is the story method: https://artofmemory.com/wiki/Story_Method/
You use each word, vizualize it and connect it in a memorable way with the next word. With some practice and repetition this will easily work with a 24-word-seed-phrase.
However, solely relying on it without any other physical backup seems way too risky in my book.

If you want to go crazy, look up methods to remember pi and apply them to a private key (not recommended but if you got too much time on your hands could be fun).

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January 06, 2023, 10:09:27 AM
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I read that one of the best ways to preserve a seed phrase is to write it on a piece of paper and keep it in a safe place... Somewhere safe could be in your home out of the reach of family members and friends, it could also be a safe deposit box. But not everyone are financially buoyant to afford the services of a deposit box.

I believe we must have seen or heard about fire outbreaks, where buildings are completely erased by fire. Imagine if the owner or occupant of such a building has some Bitcoin assets, and has his/her phone, tablet, laptop and the seed phrase piece of paper in the building and everything was lost to fire. Now, this brings me to the question... Can seed phrase be memorized? It's advisable to memorize seed phrase?

 Memorizing is not a perfect way to store seed phrases, what if you accidentally forget one of them? You will no longer have a chance to get your assets back. That is not a viable solution.

There are many ways to store seed phrases, but none of them are absolutely safe because, as you say, incidents like fire, flood, natural disaster... such things are unpredictable. The best we can do is make different copies and store them in other places, this can help you avoid unexpected losses.

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January 06, 2023, 10:40:46 AM
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Memorizing your seed phrase will help you in only a short period of time because as human we can't remember everything that we have memorized in the past. Using it as a song for easy memorizing will work but what if someone close to you knows the song by learning it while your were singing it,this is another risk. I think writing it on a pieces of papers and keep them in various places in different locations keep the brain from stress of memorizing and also gives a rest if mind because it is impossible for all the places which you duplicate copies are to go ablaze at the same time
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January 06, 2023, 10:51:43 AM
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No it's not, as you grow older day by day you will start forgetting some things, seed phrase is not like your Gmail account password, all words have to be in order or you lose access to your Bitcoin.

God forbids, what do you think will happen if an accident occurs that affects the way you think and it's going to take a long time to fully recover? I don't like this idea because I have think about it many times before, it won't work.

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January 06, 2023, 11:11:15 AM
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I read that one of the best ways to preserve a seed phrase is to write it on a piece of paper and keep it in a safe place... Somewhere safe could be in your home out of the reach of family members and friends, it could also be a safe deposit box. But not everyone are financially buoyant to afford the services of a deposit box.

I believe we must have seen or heard about fire outbreaks, where buildings are completely erased by fire. Imagine if the owner or occupant of such a building has some Bitcoin assets, and has his/her phone, tablet, laptop and the seed phrase piece of paper in the building and everything was lost to fire. Now, this brings me to the question... Can seed phrase be memorized? It's advisable to memorize seed phrase?

For sure over the years you provably forget what you memorize since for sure you will encounter many words that you need to memorize so to avoid coming to the point that you lose your balance much better if you jut write up your seed phrase on any offline material which is in your position since this much safer than anything available.

If you are worried about fire then make sure that you have easy access unto it where you can easily carry it out when something emergency happen and think about putting it also together with your important documents.

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January 06, 2023, 11:19:16 AM
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I read that one of the best ways to preserve a seed phrase is to write it on a piece of paper and keep it in a safe place... Somewhere safe could be in your home out of the reach of family members and friends, it could also be a safe deposit box. But not everyone are financially buoyant to afford the services of a deposit box.

I believe we must have seen or heard about fire outbreaks, where buildings are completely erased by fire. Imagine if the owner or occupant of such a building has some Bitcoin assets, and has his/her phone, tablet, laptop and the seed phrase piece of paper in the building and everything was lost to fire. Now, this brings me to the question... Can seed phrase be memorized? It's advisable to memorize seed phrase?

Memorizing a phrase is not a perfect solution because there is no guarantee we will keep it in our memory, if we forget it, there is no chance of recovery. I just wonder, why do you think keeping it away from your loved ones is a solution? when for me, it is the safest way to keep it. Could it be that even your mother, you can't trust her?

Honestly, for those who have no faith, always living in doubt even with their own parents, there is no safe way, everywhere you look there is a risk.



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January 06, 2023, 11:28:56 AM
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Let's be honest, Seed phrases are long and can't be memorized by some common folks that are not used to memorizing complicated words but they can always find a suitable way to remove the harm of losing it. Therefore, just keep in mind to back it up with some sort of a buried treasure where when things are not going well, you can always depend on the paper or whatever things you choose to write your seeds but make sure not to complete it or if you want to, you can use synonyms of the words or whatever suits you, just don't write your seed phrase as spoon feeding so that you can still protect it whenever someone accidentally finds it.

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January 06, 2023, 11:30:47 AM
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...Can seed phrase be memorized? It's advisable to memorize seed phrase?

Why don't you try and see if it is possible to remember 12 or 24 words? Of course it is possible, but if you use your brain as storage, then you have to take into account that this storage can be damaged at any time, whether it is due to an accident or some disease that causes memory loss. In addition, keeping such things in your head is not smart for another reason, because someone can use it to find out about them while you are not completely conscious (under the influence of alcohol, drugs).



Why don't you consider uploading it to the cloud?
That is what I did with metamask phrases. I remember the password of my email. And in fact, all I need to remember is the password of my email, I synced everything, so when I log in to Gmail, everything automatically gets synced, and I have the doc where my seed phrase is saved.
I'd recommend that, it is convenient, easy.

Don't come here to cry if someone hacks you, and you won't be the first one to have it happen because he thought such things should be kept online. It's one of the worst ways to store seed/private keys, and I hope no one listens to your advice.

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January 06, 2023, 12:24:28 PM
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I read that one of the best ways to preserve a seed phrase is to write it on a piece of paper and keep it in a safe place... Somewhere safe could be in your home out of the reach of family members and friends, it could also be a safe deposit box. But not everyone are financially buoyant to afford the services of a deposit box.

I believe we must have seen or heard about fire outbreaks, where buildings are completely erased by fire. Imagine if the owner or occupant of such a building has some Bitcoin assets, and has his/her phone, tablet, laptop and the seed phrase piece of paper in the building and everything was lost to fire. Now, this brings me to the question... Can seed phrase be memorized? It's advisable to memorize seed phrase?

It is often said that the bluntest pen is still sharper than the sharpest brain.
While is risky to try to memorize your seed phrase is that sometimes you might just forget a word or mix up the words and that is the end.

Truth, some people have photographic brains, while some do not.
I still think that despite being able to recall your seed phrase from memory, also write and keep it somewhere safe, if possible, have multiple copies.

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seed phrases are a very important thing for us as crypto users, but to memorize seed phrases I think we can do it but some of us can't do that, then the solution to the problem of seed phrases we can write in several different storage places for example gmail that we can remember and other places that we can always take when we need it, There are actually many ways for us to save seed phrases other than memorization.

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January 06, 2023, 12:40:21 PM
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I believe we must have seen or heard about fire outbreaks, where buildings are completely erased by fire. Imagine if the owner or occupant of such a building has some Bitcoin assets, and has his/her phone, tablet, laptop and the seed phrase piece of paper in the building and everything was lost to fire. Now, this brings me to the question... Can seed phrase be memorized? It's advisable to memorize seed phrase?

If you have great retentivity then by all means memorize your seed phrase though I won't advice to only memorize the seed phrase, you still need a physical back up of the seed phrase for security purposes and place it in a condition that the medium that holding your seed phrase is water proof, rust proof, fire proof and insect or termite proof.  Even if a person has high retentivity, there is always a possibility that he will forget things, so to avoid lost of our Bitcoin due to forgetting the seed phrase it is always best to have another form of back up.  
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Well, if you think that you can memorize them for many years, then why not? Perhaps, it was you who would know what is best for you but for me, and for some circumstances and the busy life I have, I couldn't make it for sure. I was still good at writing them on paper than keeping them on my computer. Besides, even doing that couldn't assure that we are totally safe from hackers. We can simply set aside that there are so many ways we lose control of our wallet and we remember that a single mistake could lead to hacking incidents - accessing phishing sites, or malware attacks.

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January 06, 2023, 02:11:49 PM
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It is a good thing if you'd do, I cannot see anything wrong with that, but to rely on your memory I guess is not. If you would be memorizing your seedphrase, still keep something which qould help you remember it just in case you forgot it. Some would say that's unecessary and that is true. But there is also nothing wrong from doing so, it would even lessen the risk of other people being able to access your wallet.
Well, if you think that you can memorize them for many years, then why not? Perhaps, it was you who would know what is best for you but for me, and for some circumstances and the busy life I have, I couldn't make it for sure. I was still good at writing them on paper than keeping them on my computer. Besides, even doing that couldn't assure that we are totally safe from hackers. We can simply set aside that there are so many ways we lose control of our wallet and we remember that a single mistake could lead to hacking incidents - accessing phishing sites, or malware attacks.
I agree. There are just different ways a wallet could be accessed and those instances would always point out to owner's negligence. We only have one job which is to avoid such things to occur because that would be more unfortunate than to lose from investments. Writing or memorizing will depend on your lifestyle or security habits; if you could secure keeping your phrase, then do it but if not, might be a good thing to memorize.

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January 06, 2023, 02:27:09 PM
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Seems not advisable to memorize about seed phrase in our mind, have long letter and words each seed phrase and I don't think have any one can memorize full with their seed phrase. Better save it in notepad file or anything easy for accessing than have to save it in our mind and not easy when later faced bad thing and our mind can't memorize back with seed phrase.

Have possibility for memorize with seed phrase but separated with our trusted people, could be our wife, children, family or our brother and give the half of seed phrase for memorize it and half left hold and remember in our memorize. I don't try any way for memorize in our mind because I don't want spent my mind to make not important thing due have many securing placed for saving seed phrase.

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Memorizing your own seed phrase is really a bad idea, are you really only need one wallet to hold all of your coins? You need to read about Luke Dashjr's case where his both online and offline wallet get compromised, which make it's not wise idea to carry all your coins just in one wallet.

If you really have a lot Bitcoin, it's better if you split it to 2-3 hardware wallet. I don't think you can remember 48 or 72 hours since it's too many and you need to remember the sequence too.

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January 06, 2023, 04:01:20 PM
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Why don't you consider uploading it to the cloud?

That is what I did with metamask phrases. I remember the password of my email. And in fact, all I need to remember is the password of my email, I synced everything, so when I log in to Gmail, everything automatically gets synced, and I have the doc where my seed phrase is saved.

I'd recommend that, it is convenient, easy.
It seems convenient but storing your seed phrase on a cloud service is is one of the most insecure way of seed storage. A lot of things could go wrong for you, from a simple account hack where your password is leaked to bigger catastrophic events where the cloud service itself gets hacked and everyone's accounts and their content is leaked where users aren't even informed for a long time while the company covers it up.

I agree with you, uploading it to a cloud account is a mistake to save the seed phrase, it's not a wise solution at all considering there are lots of hacks and it's easy to get hacked even if your account is paid, by like using phishing or direct monitoring of the device you use and there are many other ways to access cloud accounts.
And it's better to save the seed phrase in a place that is not connected to the internet to be safer from hacking. If you want to keep doing that, I suggest not keeping the original, or you can change the word in your seed phrase with a synonym or antonym for the word to outwit hackers.
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January 06, 2023, 04:09:28 PM
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I read that one of the best ways to preserve a seed phrase is to write it on a piece of paper and keep it in a safe place... Somewhere safe could be in your home out of the reach of family members and friends, it could also be a safe deposit box. But not everyone are financially buoyant to afford the services of a deposit box.

I believe we must have seen or heard about fire outbreaks, where buildings are completely erased by fire. Imagine if the owner or occupant of such a building has some Bitcoin assets, and has his/her phone, tablet, laptop and the seed phrase piece of paper in the building and everything was lost to fire. Now, this brings me to the question... Can seed phrase be memorized? It's advisable to memorize seed phrase?
Obviously it's best to memorize your seed phrase but i would definitely not suggest that this should be your only option. because if we are considering worst scenarios then what if something happens to you? Moreover it's a human brain afterall and you can easily forget such a long seed phrase pretty easily i would suggest doing it both the ways keeping it in two secret places just for safety and also memorizing it. After all this the risk of losing it is honestly very minimal which really is worth the bet.
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