Ban Evasion

[1SATOSHl]

I have come across this and was wondering what the point of banning a person is if this will be tolerated:

This campaign is managed by 💹📈 Bitcointalk Campaign Management 💪🔥 Signature & Bounty
Royse777 is temp ban and I was requested to post the campaign on behalf of him. Once Royse777 comeback to his regular action, he will continue maintaining the thread.
You are advised to contact him on Telegram @Royse777 for any inquiry related to the campaign.
I was given the following information to post to launch the campaign as it was scheduled with his client.

Here is more details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432989.0

Apparently the ban was made because of PM ad spam.

[Saisher]

I have come across this and was wondering what the point of banning a person is if this will be tolerated:

This campaign is managed by 💹📈 Bitcointalk Campaign Management 💪🔥 Signature & Bounty
Royse777 is temp ban and I was requested to post the campaign on behalf of him. Once Royse777 comeback to his regular action, he will continue maintaining the thread.
You are advised to contact him on Telegram @Royse777 for any inquiry related to the campaign.
I was given the following information to post to launch the campaign as it was scheduled with his client.

Here is more details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432989.0

Apparently the ban was made because of PM ad spam.

Based on what I understand he is only banned from posting and sending pm but not from continuing his campaign and it's only a temporary ban, the thread is being posted on his behalf I don't see anything wrong with this.

[Zwei]

Posting on behalf of a banned user (temp or perma) is not against the rules.

[Beparanf]

Asking for someone to represent your service is allowed on this forum. Only if he is using alternative account is forbidden to do in the forum. At first I find that signature campaign a bit odd because other user is posting for a different manager but I realized that it’s ok since the banned user can’t interact directly on that specific thread which is enough for his punishment on the ban. He is using telegram to communicate which makes this method legal.

[LoyceMobile]

Notifying people about a 7 day delay in open deals is in everyone's best interest.
Starting new business is pushing it, but not against the rules.

[Pmalek]

Let me answer that question with a counter question. Imagine a situation where your campaign manager is temporary banned, and while they are in such a status, they stop all their management activities: counting weekly posts, answering questions, providing support to campaign members, and doing payouts. Many people are impatient and would scream scam, scam, from the top of their head if they had to wait a few days or weeks to receive their sig payments.

Imagine how many questions and scam accusations we would have if no one informed the community that a certain member was temporarily banned if that person couldn't ask someone else to do it for them?

I think an agreement was reached between two parties in this particular case. It involved posting that thread on a day where Royse777 was temp. banned. Since he will be back after a week to carry on where he left off, it's not a big issue. It would be a completely different situation if Royse777 was permanently banned. Even if that happened, you would still expect him to finish the obligations he had with payouts or escrows, for example, wouldn't you?

[_BlackStar]

Even if you are banned ^{[temporarily or permanently ban]} it will not make you free from your business and service responsibilities in this forum. You need to do something to inform all your participant either about the payment process, recruiting new participant or starting new campaign under your service. As everyone here has said, there are no rules against posting on someone else's behalf. But one thing, you still have to comply with the rules listed in this thread:

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Many people are impatient and would scream scam, scam, from the top of their head if they had to wait a few days or weeks to receive their sig payments.

I bet you they wouldn't make a fuss at all if they knew the campaign manager got a temp ban.  I've seen campaign managers delay payments for weeks without much complaint (Lutpin and lightlord immediately come to mind).  And you know why?  They're afraid that if they make noise they'll be kicked out of the campaign, so they put up with whatever unreasonable amount of BS that's thrown their way.

But I digress.  OP, as other members have told you--correctly--there's nothing wrong with what Royse777 did here.  Evading a ban would be if he created an alt account and posted outside of a ban appeal thread.  The rules are that simple.  Having someone make announcements for you, especially if you've got obligations to members here, is the responsible thing to do.

[SatoPrincess]

What Royse777 did afaik isn’t ban evasion, I think you already knew that it’s nothing if not you would have made a report here. There are better things to do with your time than trolling a campaign manager who wants to pass sensitive information to campaign participants, he has about three running campaigns, that’s a lot of responsibility. I imagine there would be an uproar from sig participants if Royse777 suddenly abandoned his campaign duties for a week.
I thought the name Satoshi was reserved by admin. I wonder how you managed to register the username. Oh I see the last letter of your username is “l”. Clever

[drwhobox]

This is literally your second post on this forum and you question a person for posting/announcing on behalf of a running campaign manager (Royse777).

Here is more details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432989.0

Apparently the ban was made because of PM ad spam.

You can see the thread was a quote from Royse777 and Little Mouse just posted on behalf of Royse777 who is currently managing three campaigns. It was a temp ban for seven days and he urges to let the signature participants know that he is not abandoned them.

 

[robelneo]

I have come across this and was wondering what the point of banning a person is if this will be tolerated:

And I just come to realize or we just come to realize that you have your own definition of the word ban not from what the forum says about what is a ban and it's just so obvious that you are not well aware of the forum rules, you just want to put Royse777 in the spotlight, for what to discredit him and create another discussion on Royse777?
 

[Edwardard]

you are not well aware of the forum rules,<snip>

Not sure about the forum rules, but he is aware of the consequences involved in using his main account to post the same topic
Im almost sure its just another user who hasn't been accepted or kicked out from a certain campaign managed by Royse777, afraid to use his main account.

[Pmalek]

I bet you they wouldn't make a fuss at all if they knew the campaign manager got a temp ban.

If they knew. But the question is, how would they know? Let's assume that neither the campaign manager nor the participants use Telegram or other external ways to talk with each other. The temp ban wouldn't permit the person to PM those in their campaigns, hence there is no way to find out. Temporary bans also don't get recorded in the sec log if I am not mistaken. 

I've seen campaign managers delay payments for weeks without much complaint (Lutpin and lightlord immediately come to mind).  And you know why?  They're afraid that if they make noise they'll be kicked out of the campaign, so they put up with whatever unreasonable amount of BS that's thrown their way.

That's true. It depends a lot on the integrity of the temp banned users, how much the community trusts them, and the characters of the people in their campaigns. Those that complain might not want to use their real accounts, but an undeclared alt account will suit just fine. This thread was most probably created by someone with other accounts on the forum. It was registered back in June and made only one post before this discussion. Why would someone with just 1 post altogether be interested about what a campaign manager is doing, the forum rules, etc.

[hugeblack]

It's not Ban Evasion^[1], and I also remember that one of the members who used to give loans was banned, but some exceptions were made for him in order to get the money he asked for from the lenders.
I understand that Royse777 is trying hard to bring the maximum amount of return to the advertising campaign, but it seems that the way his carried out is unprofessional or wrong. I hope that this ban will be an opportunity for him to change his method and develop himself.


[1] using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned

[yahoo62278]

Why is this a topic? Little overzealous on creating the topic imo. Little Mouse clearly stated the user was banned for a week and he was just letting others know.

Use your skills in a better way @OP

[rhomelmabini]

I have come across this and was wondering what the point of banning a person is if this will be tolerated:

It's not bad to asked someone in the forum, there's no rule/s that pertains a temp ban user not to do this on behalf of other members just to raise an awareness. Forum users who joined the campaign will wonder what's happening if Little Mouse didn't open it up. You can lock this one already, it seems it already answered your confusion.

[Poker Player]

Leaving aside that the title is incorrect and that the OP is probably an alt who has it in for Royse777 for some reason, no one is struck by this? I mean, with the recent history and on top of that now he's sending PMs of who knows what and ends up temp banned. The Casino Critique thing was also via PMs.

What a gem, reminds me of Naim027, with the only difference that many people have gotten paid a lot of money thanks to him in his campaigns.

[NeuroticFish]

Leaving aside that the title is incorrect and that the OP is probably an alt who has it in for Royse777 for some reason,

I would not let this aside. OP is certainly somebody wanting to harm, no matter what, no matter he is unable to even comprehend the rules (because, let's get serious, this is not a newbie).

no one is struck by this? I mean, with the recent history and on top of that now he's sending PMs of who knows what and ends up temp banned. The Casino Critique thing was also via PMs.

What a gem, reminds me of Naim027, with the only difference that many people have gotten paid a lot of money thanks to him in his campaigns.

Actually I've done a tiny bit of research and it's about avatar campaign. And it's, by far, not uncommon to privately invite a couple of higher ranked users (eg members of CM campaign) for such campaigns. Still, it's the first time I see somebody (temp)banned for this. Whether he mass spammed or not, I don't know and I don't want to jump to conclusions without facts.
And even if it's one such PM, it is a problem, I won't deny the obvious, but I am almost sure the temp ban hurts him enough to not do this in the future.

However, your actions on this matter and the way of seeing all this don't picture you in a "Peace enthusiast" 

[Adbitco]

My question is op why have you decided to create this thread after knowing he is on a temp ban, everything is shown clear and you still created another topic in quest of his ban, it was even stated on his new campaign launched by little mouse due to the temp ban.
Is this proper to do?

I request admin to lock this thread to avoid further spamming, i believe everyone knows about his temp ban.

[CryptoPanda]

This is literally your second post on this forum and you question a person for posting/announcing on behalf of a running campaign manager (Royse777).

We may never see the end of sock-puppet accounts. Even though the forum rules allow it, I think it’s cowardly to hide behind a new account to make accusations. If you’re too scared to say something with your main account, you probably shouldn’t say it at all. I’m sure you got rejected or kicked out of one of his campaigns.