My Cold Keys Just Got Swiped! All Cold Kuntz!!

[OgNasty]

OGNasty a page or two ago is right.

It would save everyone here a lot of time and troubles if they kept this thought in the back of their heads.

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[ChiBitCTy]

OGNasty a page or two ago is right.

It would save everyone here a lot of time and troubles if they kept this thought in the back of their heads.

Took me a good mn to understand this lol. You act as if you being right is common ..doubtful. messin, but this is a Yogg thread and will stay on that topic.  Hopefully people will get back to the topic of doing something with the collected funds. This just really rubs me wrong way.

[PreciousMetapsICT]

I agree. its been damn near a year and the auction funds are just sitting in a wallet hanging out. Instead of trying to get everyone to agree, maybe give the donators the choice in what happens to them. Easier to get 30 people to agree than the whole forum.

If it was up to me, we would find a worthwhile charity who actually could use the funds for good and give it to them. At least then the funds do some good instead of lining the pockets of those not in need of it. 

either way - make a decision. imagine how much more difficult it gets when btc hits 100k!

BUMP for the community to actually do something with these auction funds

[2stout]

Quick idea/sketch, please feel free to chime in.  How about the donators vote on how the funds are to be allocated among the 4 following choices in two rounds.  Top 2 advance and then face off in a final round of voting.

1)  Victims of rug pull within a specified time frame+ Cygan as he made made many whole out of his own pocket.
2)  Hire a lawyer and attempt to recoup from someone who basically has nothing.
3)  Victims of rug pull within a specified time frame+ Cygan as he made made many whole out of his own pocket + those who lent the POS money
4)  A charity or charities.

[phishead]

Could you imagine if like Yogg was on his deathbed or something and needed an operation to pay for it all and the only way to save his own life was to steal all this money from everyone and to never look back? Idk, I know he had health issues. The only thing I can think is that nobody could be this heartless to everyone if they didn't desperately need it. If they didn't and they just stole then they're just an asshole but part of me thinks that there is so much more to this story. I just wish Yogg has the balls the send the last message. Whether it be that he screwed everyone or was desperate I just wish we knew. The truth remains to be seen.

Hey kept the private keys while he should have destroyed them, end of story!

Indeed.  There is enough evidence now I feel to say that this was his plan from the beginning.  Between the closing of his company, tracing the stolen funds to an exchange, him not coming to face the music, keeping all the private keys from the beginning... 

This is an example of it being harder to convince someone they've been scammed, then to scam someone.  Yogg was a scammer and he scammed.  He received plenty of help from his "friends" who are now busy thinking of ways to capitalize on the incident to sell more products to the scammed customers.  All I can say is to be careful and don't be the guy who thinks there's more to this story.  You'll be disappointed.  Yogg was a scammer and he scammed.  If you fell for it or considered him a part of your friend group, you were bamboozled and should take a long hard look at that friend group, because if there was any more to this story, it would be that Yogg didn't do this by himself. 

"There is enough evidence now I feel to say that this was his plan from the beginning".  I disagree and would argue just the opposite.  If he wanted to do this from the beginning he would have done things a lot differently.  He also would have had a much better system set up for sweeping funds.  He was doing this slowly over the course of hours, and as far as we know just for the halving sets.  He's a Mr Robot type, he would have had a much better system lined up to be able to easily sweep keys quickly, and not just one set of cards, but all of his cards.  As far as we know so far, only the halving sets have been swept.  Sure he didn't fund a lot of other cards, but that's different. 

Either way, he's a scammer and it all sickens me.  The betrayal I feel right now is one I don't think I've ever felt.   

Ooof.  randomly came across this post of mine which needs correction. OGNasty a page or two ago is right. I’ve told a few people but at this point I know there’s no hope for Yogg making any good so.. I messaged him via the forum and just told him how shocked I was. I was struggling to come to terms with the the potential truth which is in fact he’s just a scamming pos.  I told him to reach out so we could chat. Few hours later and I see a call to my phone from France.  Long story short I ruled out serious mental health issue/breakdown.  He admitted to me that he had built in a “kill switch “ (keep the keys) form day fucking one. I tried several times to get him to send at least what he had made, funded or not..so that people he screwed over could have something. He had absolutely no interest in that. None. Not to mention what hurt most was that he had rot only ruined a friendship but I never got as much as a single sorry. Then a few days later he sweeps more cards (I messaged him on discord to a now defunct account, and begged him not to do it. Told me he was hungry and needed food) which meant he lied to me on the phone about not having any more keys left.  He also told me he hated cryptocurrency stuff, coding etc and has all along.  So yeah, he played us alll, for years. I’m not quite sure even why he called me at all.
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Anyways..been meaning to share this. Also hoping this drives the “community” to stop dickiing around and come up w/a plan on how to disperse the funds from the charity auction. Personally I’d be pissed off if I was say Kilalara (who’s not said a peep about this) who was not affected by this at all, but out the kindness of his heart donated a valuable collectible… a good while ago now. It was meant to help those whom really needed it, and it’s yet to happen. Suing him is an option that is not even remotely wise. I don’t want anything back to be clear, but if everyone can’t come up with a consensus on what to do ..btc should be sent back to all the donators.  At this point is gotten utterly ridiculous.  Set a date, no consensus, donators refund. 

Me coming from a hard(er) neighborhood than most, I’m gonna say it was drugs that got him down the rabbit hole he couldn’t find himself out of.

[phishead]

I agree. its been damn near a year and the auction funds are just sitting in a wallet hanging out. Instead of trying to get everyone to agree, maybe give the donators the choice in what happens to them. Easier to get 30 people to agree than the whole forum.

If it was up to me, we would find a worthwhile charity who actually could use the funds for good and give it to them. At least then the funds do some good instead of lining the pockets of those not in need of it. 

either way - make a decision. imagine how much more difficult it gets when btc hits 100k!

BUMP for the community to actually do something with these auction funds

I think that would be a great solution, but just to add it in the list of choices for people to choose if they would want to be that altruistic.

[ChiBitCTy]

I agree. its been damn near a year and the auction funds are just sitting in a wallet hanging out. Instead of trying to get everyone to agree, maybe give the donators the choice in what happens to them. Easier to get 30 people to agree than the whole forum.

If it was up to me, we would find a worthwhile charity who actually could use the funds for good and give it to them. At least then the funds do some good instead of lining the pockets of those not in need of it. 

either way - make a decision. imagine how much more difficult it gets when btc hits 100k!

BUMP for the community to actually do something with these auction funds

I was thinking this same thing as well.  Truth is most of us here aren't struggling in life. (I know this is not the case across the board).  I don't want my money back, I want it to go to someone who needs it more than I do.  Loans shouldn't be a part of the equation at all.  Funds being sent to those who's cards got swept should be top priority.  Anything else seems crazy to me.  Worst of all the idea of suing him.  It still blows my mind that people see this as viable after I literally consulted an EU attorney completely in-tune with this exact scam (as well as several of my close attorney friends here in the US) whom all stated it's a complete waste of time. They know what's best, not me nor anyone else here whos not an attorney. 

Maybe there's a great charity that helps victims of fraud that could really benefit from this.  Again lets be real, most of us don't need this money.  We knew the risks we were taking. 

As PM said, and I agree..lets let the donators decide.  But let's actually fucking do something already.

[MoparMiningLLC]

not to sound like an ass - whether I "need" it or not - I want my money back - fuck yogg - fuck scamkey - fuck anyone who would befriend you to just fuck you over and then later call you and tell you why he did it and then does it again.

Fuck that guy. Hope I never see him.

[ChiBitCTy]

not to sound like an ass - whether I "need" it or not - I want my money back - fuck yogg - fuck scamkey - fuck anyone who would befriend you to just fuck you over and then later call you and tell you why he did it and then does it again.

Fuck that guy. Hope I never see him.

I hear ya and agree they should go to card holders first then to loans. Prob is loans aren’t as transparent and I feel a different thing entirely. Though if funds are still left after card holders are taken care of (again I want nothing as I didn’t lose much and I’d rather those who lost more have it).  But of course the issue is even this for some reason can’t be agreed upon.

Would you agree if we can’t , donators should decide ?

Edit : ageeed. Thats why I shared the story of our convo. It’s honestly a twilight zone feel. That dude is beyond fd up.

[sunnybwoy]

Why not let the card holders decide on a few choices.

[MoparMiningLLC]

not to sound like an ass - whether I "need" it or not - I want my money back - fuck yogg - fuck scamkey - fuck anyone who would befriend you to just fuck you over and then later call you and tell you why he did it and then does it again.

Fuck that guy. Hope I never see him.

I hear ya and agree they should go to card holders first then to loans. Prob is loans aren’t as transparent and I feel a different thing entirely. Though if funds are still left after card holders are taken care of (again I want nothing as I didn’t lose much and I’d rather those who lost more have it).  But of course the issue is even this for some reason can’t be agreed upon.

Would you agree if we can’t , donators should decide ?

Edit : ageeed. Thats why I shared the story of our convo. It’s honestly a twilight zone feel. That dude is beyond fd up.

oh for sure. I luckily lost only funds from one card .001 BTC - then the ~$700 for the undelivered cards and then the .05 BTC on the loan.

most of my loss cannot be rectified thru this as it comes from buying the cards on the secondary market. That value is lost.

[PreciousMetapsICT]

I wholeheartedly think that loans should not be any portion of this. neither should undelivered cards. Yogg tried to get me one time. I sent funding for 3 sets of cards that I bought on his website. Then he tried to say he used my funds (1k worth of btc) to fund other cards and if I could wait for mine to be loaded at a later date.... well I raised hell!! unfourtunately it was all via pm and with me getting help from his other business partners (victims themselves).  I feel guilty that I didn't raise hell publicly. I may have saved some people from getting scammed. That being said, loans and unfunded cards are on the people who gave out the loans and didn't follow up on funding, my personal opinion. Nobody stole their funds, they gave them away. People make bad business/personal decisions all the time. And normally people have to live with those decisions and grow from them.  Just like I had to learn from trusting someone my gut and personal history with told me I shouldn't. ( i still loved coldscams tho so I started buying older ones as I felt they were safe) I was wrong again.

I am probably out a few thousand dollars in premiums over btc value and exactly .002 worth of btc (my accountant named yoda sucks, so thats the best I can come to on the figures). I consider myself lucky.  Also don't care about the bits except that they are sitting in a wallet and its been almost a year. Let the donators vote and get it done please cuz there will never be a consensus among all of us.


edit: and Mopar I agree, fuck Yogg and I want my bits back as well. but if premiums aren't considered then why would loans or undelivered cards?? just a thought. not something I care enough now except that I would like the funds to be dispersed however it is decided (ideally by the donators as for one that cuts me out of it) - also not near enough to make everyone whole. or I would agree they should all be part of it

[MoparMiningLLC]

mine are not unfunded cards - they  are cards I ordered on the site just weeks before he rugged everyone - they were never shipped.

I am not talking about cards received and never funded that I did not follow up on.

and I get it about loans but if money is loaned and then never paid back - that is stolen.

no different from giving yogg funds for him to put on the card and he does so and then later takes it.

stolen card funds, unfunded cards, unpaid loans are all thefts.

to me this is different than premiums.

But yes there has to be a line drawn somewhere because there is not enough funds to cover all the thefts Yogg did.

my total cost into all my coldkeys is just approx .75 btc - add in the loan its .8 add in the undelivered cards and its .815 btc

most of that is from buying cards on the secondary market

[YodasRedRocket]

I’ve been hesitant to read or reply to anything regarding the Yogg rug or the dispersal of funds from the auctions lately because I was getting mad every time I came to the forum & this is supposed to be our happy place haha

My last 2 thoughts.

1. Refund the 2 members who were rugged & refused Cygan’s offer like right now…
chronicsky - 0.055BTC
Mitchell - 0.0125BTC

2. Precious’ idea of letting the auction donators decide outcome of the remaining funds is likely the best since it’s a small group of members.

Hopefully we can get this shit behind us.  And fuck you fat pussy-faced Yogg 🖕

[ChiBitCTy]

I’ve been hesitant to read or reply to anything regarding the Yogg rug or the dispersal of funds from the auctions lately because I was getting mad every time I came to the forum & this is supposed to be our happy place haha

My last 2 thoughts.

1. Refund the 2 members who were rugged & refused Cygan’s offer like right now…
chronicsky - 0.055BTC
Mitchell - 0.0125BTC

2. Precious’ idea of letting the auction donators decide outcome of the remaining funds is likely the best since it’s a small group of members.

Hopefully we can get this shit behind us.  And fuck you fat pussy-faced Yogg 🖕

I hear ya, but this is something that everyone needs to work together to get straightened out.  Kialara/Max and I are good friends, and chat often.  We were chatting last night and I happened to mention this ordeal here with the funds not having been paid out yet.  He was under the impression that funds would go directly to those who had cards swept, period.  Not for loans, or cards never received, cards swept that people chose to not sweep and take the risk etc.  Max donated $10,000 nearly a year ago now, and here we are.  He didn't state much more outside of just sharing what he thought the funds were to go to.

This is my feelings, not his... but I think at this point, every donator should be given the opportunity to receive their funds back, or choose to leave it inside this mess in hopes that it'll actually be paid out eventually.  I think this is the right thing to do at this point.  I mean imagine donating money to a cause and they literally sit on it for a year, not putting the money to good use as intended, with no resolution in sight.

I know this was all don with good intentions, but cmon guys, this is now just ridiculous. 

[minerjones]

I’ve been hesitant to read or reply to anything regarding the Yogg rug or the dispersal of funds from the auctions lately because I was getting mad every time I came to the forum & this is supposed to be our happy place haha

My last 2 thoughts.

1. Refund the 2 members who were rugged & refused Cygan’s offer like right now…
chronicsky - 0.055BTC
Mitchell - 0.0125BTC

2. Precious’ idea of letting the auction donators decide outcome of the remaining funds is likely the best since it’s a small group of members.

Hopefully we can get this shit behind us.  And fuck you fat pussy-faced Yogg 🖕

I hear ya, but this is something that everyone needs to work together to get straightened out.  Kialara/Max and I are good friends, and chat often.  We were chatting last night and I happened to mention this ordeal here with the funds not having been paid out yet.  He was under the impression that funds would go directly to those who had cards swept, period.  Not for loans, or cards never received, cards swept that people chose to not sweep and take the risk etc.  Max donated $10,000 nearly a year ago now, and here we are.  He didn't state much more outside of just sharing what he thought the funds were to go to.

This is my feelings, not his... but I think at this point, every donator should be given the opportunity to receive their funds back, or choose to leave it inside this mess in hopes that it'll actually be paid out eventually.  I think this is the right thing to do at this point.  I mean imagine donating money to a cause and they literally sit on it for a year, not putting the money to good use as intended, with no resolution in sight.

I know this was all don with good intentions, but cmon guys, this is now just ridiculous. 

Donators donated items, not funds, so how would this be done?

[ChiBitCTy]

I’ve been hesitant to read or reply to anything regarding the Yogg rug or the dispersal of funds from the auctions lately because I was getting mad every time I came to the forum & this is supposed to be our happy place haha

My last 2 thoughts.

1. Refund the 2 members who were rugged & refused Cygan’s offer like right now…
chronicsky - 0.055BTC
Mitchell - 0.0125BTC

2. Precious’ idea of letting the auction donators decide outcome of the remaining funds is likely the best since it’s a small group of members.

Hopefully we can get this shit behind us.  And fuck you fat pussy-faced Yogg 🖕

I hear ya, but this is something that everyone needs to work together to get straightened out.  Kialara/Max and I are good friends, and chat often.  We were chatting last night and I happened to mention this ordeal here with the funds not having been paid out yet.  He was under the impression that funds would go directly to those who had cards swept, period.  Not for loans, or cards never received, cards swept that people chose to not sweep and take the risk etc.  Max donated $10,000 nearly a year ago now, and here we are.  He didn't state much more outside of just sharing what he thought the funds were to go to.

This is my feelings, not his... but I think at this point, every donator should be given the opportunity to receive their funds back, or choose to leave it inside this mess in hopes that it'll actually be paid out eventually.  I think this is the right thing to do at this point.  I mean imagine donating money to a cause and they literally sit on it for a year, not putting the money to good use as intended, with no resolution in sight.

I know this was all don with good intentions, but cmon guys, this is now just ridiculous. 

Donators donated items, not funds, so how would this be done?

Sale price of their items.  Nothing is ideal here, but that's the only thing I can think of at this point that mkaes sense and would be fair to the donators.

[minerjones]

I’ve been hesitant to read or reply to anything regarding the Yogg rug or the dispersal of funds from the auctions lately because I was getting mad every time I came to the forum & this is supposed to be our happy place haha

My last 2 thoughts.

1. Refund the 2 members who were rugged & refused Cygan’s offer like right now…
chronicsky - 0.055BTC
Mitchell - 0.0125BTC

2. Precious’ idea of letting the auction donators decide outcome of the remaining funds is likely the best since it’s a small group of members.

Hopefully we can get this shit behind us.  And fuck you fat pussy-faced Yogg 🖕

I hear ya, but this is something that everyone needs to work together to get straightened out.  Kialara/Max and I are good friends, and chat often.  We were chatting last night and I happened to mention this ordeal here with the funds not having been paid out yet.  He was under the impression that funds would go directly to those who had cards swept, period.  Not for loans, or cards never received, cards swept that people chose to not sweep and take the risk etc.  Max donated $10,000 nearly a year ago now, and here we are.  He didn't state much more outside of just sharing what he thought the funds were to go to.

This is my feelings, not his... but I think at this point, every donator should be given the opportunity to receive their funds back, or choose to leave it inside this mess in hopes that it'll actually be paid out eventually.  I think this is the right thing to do at this point.  I mean imagine donating money to a cause and they literally sit on it for a year, not putting the money to good use as intended, with no resolution in sight.

I know this was all don with good intentions, but cmon guys, this is now just ridiculous. 

Donators donated items, not funds, so how would this be done?

Sale price of their items.  Nothing is ideal here, but that's the only thing I can think of at this point that mkaes sense and would be fair to the donators.

ok...
So seems like pay back Mitchell, chronicksy, cygan and the donators.
That would probably use up most of the funds

[ChiBitCTy]

I’ve been hesitant to read or reply to anything regarding the Yogg rug or the dispersal of funds from the auctions lately because I was getting mad every time I came to the forum & this is supposed to be our happy place haha

My last 2 thoughts.

1. Refund the 2 members who were rugged & refused Cygan’s offer like right now…
chronicsky - 0.055BTC
Mitchell - 0.0125BTC

2. Precious’ idea of letting the auction donators decide outcome of the remaining funds is likely the best since it’s a small group of members.

Hopefully we can get this shit behind us.  And fuck you fat pussy-faced Yogg 🖕

I hear ya, but this is something that everyone needs to work together to get straightened out.  Kialara/Max and I are good friends, and chat often.  We were chatting last night and I happened to mention this ordeal here with the funds not having been paid out yet.  He was under the impression that funds would go directly to those who had cards swept, period.  Not for loans, or cards never received, cards swept that people chose to not sweep and take the risk etc.  Max donated $10,000 nearly a year ago now, and here we are.  He didn't state much more outside of just sharing what he thought the funds were to go to.

This is my feelings, not his... but I think at this point, every donator should be given the opportunity to receive their funds back, or choose to leave it inside this mess in hopes that it'll actually be paid out eventually.  I think this is the right thing to do at this point.  I mean imagine donating money to a cause and they literally sit on it for a year, not putting the money to good use as intended, with no resolution in sight.

I know this was all don with good intentions, but cmon guys, this is now just ridiculous.  

Donators donated items, not funds, so how would this be done?

Sale price of their items.  Nothing is ideal here, but that's the only thing I can think of at this point that mkaes sense and would be fair to the donators.

ok...
So seems like pay back Mitchell, chronicksy, cygan and the donators.
That would probably use up most of the funds

This is such a mess.

I just don't think this group can come to a consensus.  I can see how some people feel some stuff should be given charity funds, other stuff shouldn't, and there's valid points on both sides.  The only option that's not valid is suing Yogg.  

Donators get option to have their sale price of donated items back...no one donated thinking this is what would happen.  I think this is only fair.

Edit : Donators should be given sale funds back period. This would be the cleanest way. If they decide to donate it back somehow fine.

[MoparMiningLLC]

i really dont see any difference from funds stolen from existing cards and funds stolen by not fulfilling orders that people paid for. I do see a minor difference when it comes to the loans but those are stolen funds too. However if you were to incorporate loans - there is one person (not me) who could not be made whole on their loan even if you were to give them 100% the funds collected.

not to diminish what Max did - I love his work and owe him a lot for things outside of this whole yogg shit - but his line was simple:

I cannot properly quote it because the thread is locked:

"All proceeds from this auction will be donated to the yogg rug fund."

I would say the term "rug" involves all the bullshit yogg did to take funds whether it was sweeping keys, taking funds for cards he never planned to produce/ship or even the loans.

He did it all knowing he was walking away and didnt give two shits who he ripped off - his calls/texts to several members afterwards and during the thefts shows this to be the case.

There are not enough funds to cover everything - that much is known. And loans are hard to prove even as they mostly require taking the word of those involved - I doubt there are contracts, mine is simply a text asking for .05 btc......

but stolen funds are easy to prove (and I think most were proven already) and sales are easy to prove. Same with the folks whose cards were never funded.

if there are people not made whole - and funds get given back to the donators how does that even work? it all goes back to the largest donator? or?